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	<title>Comments on: Could the U.S. learn something from China?</title>
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		<title>By: Steven Gaylore</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/11/26/could-the-us-learn-something-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-1603463</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Gaylore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can we change it?&quot; &quot;Yes, we can.&quot;
&quot;Can we bankrupt it?&quot; &quot;Yes, we can.&quot;
&quot;Can we infiltrate it?&quot; &quot;Yes, we can.&quot;
&quot;Can we collapse it from within?&quot; &quot;Yes, we can.&quot;
&quot;Can we destroy it without a trace?&quot; &quot;Yes, we can.&quot;

The Rotten Fruit Chorus starts singing harmoniously,
&quot;Bye-bye, American pie.&quot;
Drove the jet to the ditch,
But the money tank was dry.
Upgrade to the federal jumbo jet,
To use the unlimited money sources from 49,
There is more honey on global jumbo jet from 419.
Then good old beat-up boys were drinking whiskey and rye,
Then good young naive boys were dying in the A-list wasteland,
And Miss/Mr. American Pie singing, &quot;this&#039;ll be the day that I lie.
&quot;this&#039;ll be the day that I lie.&quot;


&quot;Bye-bye, American pie.&quot;
Drove the jet to the ditch,
But the money tank was dry.
Upgrade to the federal jumbo jet,
To use the unlimited money sources from 49,
There is more honey on global jumbo jet from 419.
Then good old beat-up boys were drinking whiskey and rye,
Then good young naive boys were dying in the A-list wasteland,
This&#039;ll be the day that good farmers all die.
This&#039;ll be the day that they die.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can we change it?&#8221; &#8220;Yes, we can.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Can we bankrupt it?&#8221; &#8220;Yes, we can.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Can we infiltrate it?&#8221; &#8220;Yes, we can.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Can we collapse it from within?&#8221; &#8220;Yes, we can.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Can we destroy it without a trace?&#8221; &#8220;Yes, we can.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Rotten Fruit Chorus starts singing harmoniously,<br />
&#8220;Bye-bye, American pie.&#8221;<br />
Drove the jet to the ditch,<br />
But the money tank was dry.<br />
Upgrade to the federal jumbo jet,<br />
To use the unlimited money sources from 49,<br />
There is more honey on global jumbo jet from 419.<br />
Then good old beat-up boys were drinking whiskey and rye,<br />
Then good young naive boys were dying in the A-list wasteland,<br />
And Miss/Mr. American Pie singing, &#8220;this&#8217;ll be the day that I lie.<br />
&#8220;this&#8217;ll be the day that I lie.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Bye-bye, American pie.&#8221;<br />
Drove the jet to the ditch,<br />
But the money tank was dry.<br />
Upgrade to the federal jumbo jet,<br />
To use the unlimited money sources from 49,<br />
There is more honey on global jumbo jet from 419.<br />
Then good old beat-up boys were drinking whiskey and rye,<br />
Then good young naive boys were dying in the A-list wasteland,<br />
This&#8217;ll be the day that good farmers all die.<br />
This&#8217;ll be the day that they die.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: 3/5 of a man</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/11/26/could-the-us-learn-something-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-1603087</link>
		<dc:creator>3/5 of a man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t build new myths. The American dream was a myth; were it not for two wars (and being on the winning side) we wouldn&#039;t have had the industrial backbone that fed our middle-class growth. We are now losing two wars. Woe to the fool who thinks that having success stories in a country of more than 1 billion equates it with some silly imagery straight out of Hollywood and canonical American propaganda.

Please also remember that for much of America&#039;s history, the &quot;American Dream&quot; didn&#039;t encompass all Americans. When you talk about American growth and economic might, the conversation must start with slavery. SLAVERY! There, I said it. Does China have a large class of slaves and endentured servants that can be counted on to tend to the garden and do the heavy lifting for a century or two? Perhaps America might not be the genteel lovely she is today had Monseurs Hamilton, Washington, etc not had slaves to do their fieldwork while they entertained lofty thoughts.

Speaking of our &quot;founding fathers&quot;, lets end this with a plea to not forget George Mason, who refused to affix his signature to a document (guess which one) that didn&#039;t ensure equal treatment for all men.

Goddamn if nothing makes me madder than the lies men tell when they go about nation building.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t build new myths. The American dream was a myth; were it not for two wars (and being on the winning side) we wouldn&#8217;t have had the industrial backbone that fed our middle-class growth. We are now losing two wars. Woe to the fool who thinks that having success stories in a country of more than 1 billion equates it with some silly imagery straight out of Hollywood and canonical American propaganda.</p>
<p>Please also remember that for much of America&#8217;s history, the &#8220;American Dream&#8221; didn&#8217;t encompass all Americans. When you talk about American growth and economic might, the conversation must start with slavery. SLAVERY! There, I said it. Does China have a large class of slaves and endentured servants that can be counted on to tend to the garden and do the heavy lifting for a century or two? Perhaps America might not be the genteel lovely she is today had Monseurs Hamilton, Washington, etc not had slaves to do their fieldwork while they entertained lofty thoughts.</p>
<p>Speaking of our &#8220;founding fathers&#8221;, lets end this with a plea to not forget George Mason, who refused to affix his signature to a document (guess which one) that didn&#8217;t ensure equal treatment for all men.</p>
<p>Goddamn if nothing makes me madder than the lies men tell when they go about nation building.</p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/11/26/could-the-us-learn-something-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-1603014</link>
		<dc:creator>bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jurgen said it all. You can&#039;t let the Chinese point our eyes in the direction they want us to look everytime, but that is exactly what they want us to do.

 Half truths are what they want us to see and believe and in the west a half truth is no truth at all. Every lie needs to be checked and exposed.

 Comment on the good sure but many times these good things have a terrible price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jurgen said it all. You can&#8217;t let the Chinese point our eyes in the direction they want us to look everytime, but that is exactly what they want us to do.</p>
<p> Half truths are what they want us to see and believe and in the west a half truth is no truth at all. Every lie needs to be checked and exposed.</p>
<p> Comment on the good sure but many times these good things have a terrible price.</p>
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		<title>By: Zuo Ai</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/11/26/could-the-us-learn-something-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-1602985</link>
		<dc:creator>Zuo Ai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember talking to a Chinese lawyer friend of mine about the &quot;Chinese Dream&quot; being like the old &quot;American Dream&quot; of indiscriminate social mobility through hard work...he looked at me like I was crazy. Truth is, the success stories I&#039;ve come across are mild, there is certainly a low ceiling and coming from a big city helps immensely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember talking to a Chinese lawyer friend of mine about the &#8220;Chinese Dream&#8221; being like the old &#8220;American Dream&#8221; of indiscriminate social mobility through hard work&#8230;he looked at me like I was crazy. Truth is, the success stories I&#8217;ve come across are mild, there is certainly a low ceiling and coming from a big city helps immensely.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranger_lost_in_Mordor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ranger_lost_in_Mordor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The communist chinese government would sound more
to the point , and welcome to the Mordor !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The communist chinese government would sound more<br />
to the point , and welcome to the Mordor !</p>
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		<title>By: Китай в ссылках (26.11.2009) / П.С.И. / Магазета</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/11/26/could-the-us-learn-something-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-1602656</link>
		<dc:creator>Китай в ссылках (26.11.2009) / П.С.И. / Магазета</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jurgen f kuhefuss</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/11/26/could-the-us-learn-something-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-1602602</link>
		<dc:creator>jurgen f kuhefuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The USA and other countries could definitely learn from Communist China.
1) Lie
2) Distort History
3)Ignore and punish protests
4)Censor the media
5)Ruin the environment for profit and then claim a high GDP which fools the dumb greedy 
6)Send your kids overseas to study, and follow with a few million to retire in style in the USA, Australia and Canada (Money stolen from the peasants)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The USA and other countries could definitely learn from Communist China.<br />
1) Lie<br />
2) Distort History<br />
3)Ignore and punish protests<br />
4)Censor the media<br />
5)Ruin the environment for profit and then claim a high GDP which fools the dumb greedy<br />
6)Send your kids overseas to study, and follow with a few million to retire in style in the USA, Australia and Canada (Money stolen from the peasants)</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Woo</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/11/26/could-the-us-learn-something-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-1602598</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Woo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent report, great attempt at checking bullshit at bay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent report, great attempt at checking bullshit at bay.</p>
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