A crook (a German national with a Russian immigrant background) stabbed a woman in a German court room. No one cares for her religion in that context and no one expects violence in a court room. As all criminals he will be tried in court.

I actually find it despicable how people try to politicize that incident for their own causes in a manner that looks quite insane.

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The “Abrogation” theory, is what you areactually doing here. I replied to the question about 9 111, and you came after 2 months, just abrogating it, like it was not there.
You claimed you are older than me, good thing, so I expected you to be wiser than what you are actually doing. The RULE for such arguments is that you ask, have the answer, and then you are asked a question in turns, whence, you give the answer.
I see you are only prepared to ask, not to answer, and it sounds that you do not have answers to any of my past of future questions. This means one thing, only one; you are not fit to the argument. I told you I will be answering all your questions. When I am proved wrong, you’ll be right then. Alternately, when you are proved wrong, I am right. But the fact here now is that you always look for something more to talk about, and you do not care whether there has been an answer or not.

Let me remind you, in subjective arguments, the case starts with the question, the question is given a thorough and clear answer that ends the argument. If the answer is inadequate, you hint out what you see inadequate, and you have the right to ask more, until it is done. Hence, it’ll be the other party’s turn to ask. And you give the answer, same as the previous procedure.

What is happening here went on like that:
We were here talking about a murder, in a court room, based on racial hatred. The lady being murdered is a Muslim. The media did not give adequate covering to the crime. That’s what we were at here. Hence, you came in to take people out of point. And when I hinted it out to you, you still have the same attitude, taking people out of point. You wanted people to forget about the crime, and be there to defend themselves against your ill quotes. And you still do.
You actually are not asking, you are only attacking. You just think it’s only you are right, others are wrong. When I wanted to bring you back to the point, you added more questions.
Truly speaking, I have never seen such a way of discussion. I have never been part of any discussion through which one of the parties is only to ask, no matter what clear the answers are given to his questions.

NOW, I tell you: If you are ready to be through a fair argument, I am here, I accepted the challenge you claimed earlier.

I did not ask about the sound ’s’. What I told you about it is a fact. If you refer to the Asyrian, or to the Aramaic language, you’ll notice that their “s”s,regarding the same word, are converted to “sh”s in your language.

My question was about the ‘calf head’, referring to the calf that the sons of Israel worshipped in the time of MOSES, and after his time among them. I said it’s still sacred in the Hebrew language. It’s the first letter in the ABJAD letters of the Hebrew alphabet. I see you, too, did not give an answer. I wanted you to explain why the calf head is still sacred to you. The letter “A” in Roman letter resembles the trinity mentioned in the gospels acknowledged by the Romans. The Alef “ا” in Arabic letters resembles the one GOD in Qur’anic belief. My question is about the relation being there between the TORAH and the CALF HEAD. If you cannot answer it, you just say I can’t, and I ask you another question.
You get that now Kaktuz? I think you do.

By the way:
I already started a book about this mess you are doing here. I intend to give it the title,;”The Kaktuz Case On Global Voices” I hope you’ll be a good help. And I’ll be giving answers to the pile of questions you have heaped here. But, on Global Voices, I’ll only be giving you the answers in the way the perfect arguments are done; alternatively, You’ll get the answer to the question-in-turn, only. So, don’t toil yourself asking many questions at a time, or you’ll be giving me a chance to select what question I like to answer, a privilege I never asked for. On my turn, I’ll be asking only one question, too.

Now you see you could not take me away from the point about the crime, I’m still there, adding whatever information that comes to me, and, at the same time, gave you the clear answer about “to kill and be killed” You know it was on 21st of last August, right the same day you asked thequestion. Then, 2 months later, when you came back, following your abrogation theory technique, I set my question to you. Or is it all like that simply because you are a Zionist? Zionists are not above the law. They are people, like any other people. We have, still, some Jews here in Egypt. They have their own TEMPLE, a very well guarded one, it’s in the Center of Cairo, having the unprecedented security forces around, securing Jews to be there so safely for their religious rituals. They have their GRAVEYARD here too, not in Israel. When some extremists wanted to ruin it, they were all arrested, put in jail, and they were sent to court of law to have their legitimate judgment. Oh! That was long ago, probably more than a decade now. LAW IS ABOVE ALL. Understand Kaktuz?
If you submit to the rules of argument, there will be a good one, I believe. But if you ignore mind and good reasoning, lol, you’ll be only making a mess; something no sage would accept or take part in. Be sage? That’ll be good. Be messy? Blow up from fronts and backs.

In conclusion, I remind you; you can comment on my answer to your question about verse 111 of sura 9. And now you have to answer my question, or I’ll have to say you are below the average level of argument. And it’s all to what you choose that you will find conclusions alike.

Awaiting for your reply with the answer to my question about the calf head letter atop of your Hebrew script letters.

NB:
The Qur’anic quotes I fixed last time were only to let you know that after 14 centuries, I can find a thorough description of what you and your intentions are. See how true? You shouldn’t act like you are brain-washed against good understanding.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=17277

What? You mean there was no trial?

So, a non-Muslim kills a Muslim and Muslims get angry, protest and vilify non-Muslims.

Muslims kill non-Muslims and Muslims couldn’t care less.

Muslims kill Muslims and Muslims couldn’t care less either (How many hundreds of people have died this month, in markets, schools, streets, mosques, etc…, in bombing by Muslims against other Muslims?)

The fact is that Muslims have no standards for themselves. They cannot criticize islam and they cannot criticize the evil done in the name of Islam. At most they can blame others or focus on the evils that non-Muslims do, even if these are few compared to those done by Muslims in the name of Islam.

kactuz

You quote and I quote. So what does this prove? Nothing. Of course you still haven’t explained all those verses that teach hate and violence. You quote a few “nice” verses and want others to ignore the hundreds of vile sayings found in the Quran? Why?

How do you explain the contradictions? You don’t because you pretend they are not there. Of course, Muslims use the old “Abrogation” theory that says that some verses (the nice ones, given at the beginning when Mohammad was weak) were abrogated by later verses (given when Mohammad was strong so he could attack and kill). Great theory! Of course you can’t explain how “eternal and perfect” verses were replaced by better verses (2:106). Evidently some verses are not very eternal or perfect.

The worse thing is that Allah forgot to tell his faithful which verses were the abrogated ones. Ooops. Nobody knows which verses are valid. Bummer!

I hate the /s/ sound, you say? How did you come to that briliant conclusion? Yes, and I also hate W, D and J sounds. And everytime I see a N tilde I go crazy! (That is the Spanish N with the little crooked hat on it!). Those Spanish N tildes, unlike the Portuguese A tildes, cannot be trusted.

As to semetic languages, here is a good article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages
Many proto-Semitic languages existed in Africa and the ancient Middle East. They probably developed out of middle Africa and explanded north initially using cuneiform script and later with the Phoenician alphabet. Ancient Egyptian and Hebrew were both derived from proto-semetic languages, being that Hebrew has a much greater in Mesopotamian influence. Both are much older than Arabic which dates from about the 4th century.

So you say that “Scholars of Hieroglyphics would resort to Hebrew so they can get closer to the Egyptian words” Do the Egyptologists know this? I am sure they will be thrilled to know that the ancient Egyptians spoke a variant of Hebrew!

Changing the subject. Note that the murderer is going to trial:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8325451.stm

Too bad they don’t have the death penalty in germany.

Kactuz

Quran
002.109
Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could Turn you (people) back to infidelity after ye have believed, from selfish envy, after the Truth hath become Manifest unto them: But forgive and overlook, Till Allah accomplish His purpose; for Allah Hath power over all things.
002.110
And be steadfast in prayer and regular in charity: And whatever good ye send forth for your souls before you, ye shall find it with Allah: for Allah sees Well all that ye do.
002.111
And they say: “None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.” Those are their (vain) desires. Say: “Produce your proof if ye are truthful.”
002.112
Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to Allah and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
002.113
The Jews say: “The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: “The Jews have naught (To stand) upon.” Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.

Oh yes, I’ve forgotten to tell you. The biphonemic /sm/ is Egyptian. And it was used by Ancient Egyptians to write the word “salaam’, peace, in English. I know you say it “shalom”, because you hate the /s/ sound, and you convert it to /sh/ sound, and you pronounce the consonants all dark form! Oh! Shall I teach you about you? Would you listen? I hope you would. The word /shalom/ is a Hebrew variant of the Egyptian word /salam/. The Hebrews learned their language in Egypt, nowhere else. They came to live with Joseph, the brother they threw in the well to get rid of. On the time of famine, they came to get provisin from Egypt. I’m not telling you the whole story, of course you know it well. They finally settled in Egypt. And so, the twelve brothers liven in Egypt. They spoke what the Egyptians spoke. They even spoke Egyptian when they cane at fist for their food supplies!
Moses, over 500 years later, who was brought up in the royal palace of Pharaoh, spoke Egyptian. Lol. So, your grand ancestors, the grandfathers, spoke Egyptians, but they converted the /s/ to a /sh/ sound. And they love DARK utterance of consonamts! Later, Jesus spoke Aramaic. Aramaic is another version of Egyptian language. “Ya rabbi! Leih sebtini!”, is the Aramaic text uttered by Jesus. /Ya rabbi/ is still used here in Egypt exactly with the same meaning “O my Lord!”, in English. Unfortunately, when it was translated to artificial Hebrew, it was translated pagan “yehwe”, or jehwe, or even jehuve. Nobody can tell us why it was meant to be mistranslated to refer to the golden calf symbol, the Hebrew /alef/.
Another example of the exact Jesus’ words in Aramaic: “da dammi; ishrabou, da laHmi; kulu”. If you utter any of the 2 examples in front of an Egyptian, he’ll stare at you to see why you say so! You’ll be using the same words we say until now, not the least difference!
Your Hebrew is rooted from Ancient Egyptian language, which is still being exactly used until now, Jesus spoke Aramaic, which, too, is rooted from Ancient Egyptian language, the same language we use here until now. Scholars of Hieroglyphics would resort to Hebrew so they can get closer to the Egyptian words. Lol! Why amazed when Egyptians use their own language to decipher their ancient grandfathers’ scriptures? Whish is more Egyptian? Which is closer to the AEL; the Hebrew language? Or the Egyptian Language? A pure Egyptian Language? Or one which was abruptly mixed with many others, changing away from the root? The Babylonian times have had a big effect on the Hebrew, you know!
Enough for you now?. Next time, you’ll be stunned, I’m sure; or I can decide to make this argument longer. It’ll depend on how subjective you can be in future. No love, no peace, no blessings to scandalous evil spillers, never ever. Right Kaktuz?

Ossama Alsaadawi is a nut that thinks the ancient egyptians spoke…. Arabic, 4000 years ago. Also he says all experts have been reading the hieroglyphs wrong (except him), but really has published very few translated texts. Oh yes, Ramses, or the giant statues of ramses II are really ….. Moses! and the Great Sphinx is an Ancient Egyptian historical representation of… Abraham. Also he says Isis is really Mary even if 1400 years apart. And so on. As to the word “sam” even I know that ancient semetic languages didn’t use vowels. daaaa! Is this what passes for scholarship in islamic world?

So a man vandalizes a mosque, the police catch him from video tapes and then the mosque decides not to press charges. This, according to you, “proves” that America is evil and controlled by the Jews. That is some logic, Saiid. I really must say that I can’t even begin to argue against that kind of logic. You win! Your reason is invencible. How dare this old infidel think that I could outsmart you. I must be getting old. Of course, all the bombing and killing in mosques and universities in Iran, Pakistam and Iraq since you wrote your comment also prove that islam is all about love and peace.

As to the CHALLENGE you mentioned, it seems that I have given in the last 10 pages a bunch of quotes from the Quran, not you. It seems that I mentioned some very evil actions recorded in the hadith, and you did not deny, respond or even ask for me to provide links. You were the one that did not answer any questions. Remember the 9:111 verse I asked about? I am still waiting for you to explain how “kill and be killed” means the same as “love and peace”.. I am probably just stupid but I don’t see how you came to that conclusion.

As to nasty words, lets let the other readers be the judge. I make no excuses for murder, hate, oppression and discrimination. Speaking of “war crimes”, do you know the story of the banu al mustaliq and what happened afterwards?

Well, Lion of Egypt, have a nice day. I’ll come back in a day or two and see what you have to say. Knowing you, I am sure you will find some kind words and noble thoughts.

Kactuz

Some head must roll for this outrage in a supposedly civilized country that can not protect people sitting in a docket.

Did you see that Kaktuz who would claim he knows the facts? Did you see how he would dare say the word CHALLENGE?. Did you see how tolerant I was with his ugly words? Did you see how I would tell him he was making wring quotes? Now when I replied to his question he vanished! On the first reply he vanished, he never came back!!! That’s the CHALLENGE he had been calling for. So ridiculous! They cannot stand Islam because Islam actually know who they are.

You are right dear Abdul Khader, and WE are there for them too, always ready, and ALLAH made us VECTOR. Real men of Allah are always VECTOR, others only have shame as their share of. Let’s wait and see How Morality wins over immorality. SaiidSoliman; LIon of Egypt

they make thier own law as convinient to them. the shame is for thier litrateness and a prove that no matter how informative you are you are still truthless and knowladgeless, ignorant.

Abdul khader

Now, you see Sir, that some would rob us our history and civilization making them theirs. And you see those who bring fakes calling them facts!

Yes Sir! The word sam is Ancient Egyptian wherein it can be pronounced salaam by Egyptians. And salaam is peace. Egypt has always been the land of salaam, and it’s also salaam for all who ever come to step on the land, unless they are enemies of salaam. Thank you Sir for coming and for sharing such basic knowledge. SaiidSoliman