Comments on: China: Urumqi mass incident and beyond

By: Lee Walters (Virginia, USA)

Lee Walters (Virginia, USA) — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:54:29 +0000

Broken Wolf, your comments are prime examples of misinformed ignorance! The Chinese are wonderful people, not cruel uncivilized animals who would lower themselves to the level you are suggesting. If you are talking about the Chinese Pandas, they are treated better than a lot of people in other parts of the world. If you are going to comment at least get some of your facts right.

By: broken wolf

broken wolf — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:29:27 +0000

I am praying for the people of Urumqi and that all the family members taken by the Chinese authorities will be returned home unharmed. That is a terrible thing to steal family. I wonder about China. I hear cats and dogs are skinned alive, beaten to death and bears are kept in hidious cages. It is no wonder the earth trembles so in South East Asia.

By: Lee Walters (Virginia, USA)

Lee Walters (Virginia, USA) — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:58:37 +0000

Knights, I don’t know where you are located in the USA but I have to say that you and I are thinking almost the same. China catches so much flack from the US for anything she does. If the same riot had took place in the US there would be many more dead people, because everyone involved would have been packing heat.

I own property in Urumqi, I’ve spent a lot of time there and am about to marry a wonderful Han Chinese girl who lives there so this stuipd fighting really bothers me.
But I really don’t know the answer as to how to prevent it.

By: knights

knights — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:23:13 +0000

I am LAUGHING so hard I get tears in my eyes. This must be a joke to insult the normal inteligent being. ok, 9/11 is considered a terrorist attack, and usa has been in war ever since. So many young American soldiers are killed. Yet similar terrorist attacks (although in smaller scale) in China is considered government oppression. Wow, I do NOT see the logic here. Can you believe that usa is threatening China to sanction her with her internal affairs? China should toughen up and meddle with Iraq & Afghanistan wars, because those are NOT usa internal affairs. Those are international affairs. I think one blogger mention China/Hu Jintao has to toughen up and beat the hell out of the terrorists and the conspirators. . .

By: knights

knights — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:29:11 +0000

Hm, I do not think there’s anything wrong to register with the gov if you are a religious leader. Gosh, I live a simple life in USA, and I have so much paper work . . .
1) income tax (federal and state) sometimes local tax too depending on where you live
2) escrow tax
3) car tax & registration
the list goes on. . . trust me it’s not too hard to find a person’s identity if the government wants to. The usa gov seems like a free gov, but once you get trouble with the law, there’s no way to escape. . .

It’s not much different than China. . . except China is a communist, so of course we blame everything on her. . ..

By: bahar

bahar — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:03:27 +0000

I don’t like china goverment….

By: Sonagi

Sonagi — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:36:05 +0000

“Yes, religious oppression does count and yes it may be grounds to justify treason, I don’t know. “

Treason means different things in different countries. A state secret in China is often public information in the US under the Freedom of Information Act. As I recall, Rebiya Kadeer was jailed for sending a newspaper clipping to her husband overseas.

“But we already know that China restricts freedom of religion along with other issues such as freedom of the press, etc, etc. Not just in Xinjiang but everywhere, not just with the Muslims but with everyone.”

On this point I agree with you. Some China-watchers have suggested that human rights advocates should focus on all Chinese and not just certain ethnic or religious groups.

“Personally, given the history of the region, I would rather see the PRC just pull out of Xinjiang taking all their investment, their support and the Han people with it. Give this desert wasteland back to them and see how long it would take before the new Islamic nation collapsed from within. Then when East Turkistan caused too much trouble for the PRC they could treat them like an invading rouge nation and turn the Xinjiang region into a huge glass parking lot and start the regional development all over again with 100% Han Chinese population.”

WOW. Did you just suggest genocide, albeit in ’self defense’? Such hatred towards the Uighurs is perplexing and unexpected from an English-sounding username living in the US. The other ‘Stans have survived the breakup of the Soviet Union, and East Turkistan could, too. The UN’s newest member, East Timor, is poor and unstable, but no one there ever thinks about giving up sovereignty and rejoining Indonesia.

By: a young Turkish girl

a young Turkish girl — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:41:11 +0000

Are these treatments examples of humanity???Every society has judging rules of course ..But can it be like this??!!!!How can you kill people who gave you this right!!!!Are we doing the same to the chinese people in our country???Whatever the reason is , noone can do such a cruelty to people!!In modern developed world , guilty people are given punishment -NOT KILLED!!!Supposed that you are punishing only the guilty ones , then what happens to innocent ones??How will you defense yourself???this is the humanity shame..you should be ashamed….

By: Lee Walters (Virginia, USA)

Lee Walters (Virginia, USA) — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:18:45 +0000

Well Songia, you certainly misunderstood what I was asking!
Yes, religious oppression does count and yes it may be grounds to justify treason, I don’t know. I was not arguing that!
But we already know that China restricts freedom of religion along with other issues such as freedom of the press, etc, etc. Not just in Xinjiang but everywhere, not just with the Muslims but with everyone.
What I was looking for was something I didn’t already know.
Personally, given the history of the region, I would rather see the PRC just pull out of Xinjiang taking all their investment, their support and the Han people with it. Give this desert wasteland back to them and see how long it would take before the new Islamic nation collapsed from within. Then when East Turkistan caused too much trouble for the PRC they could treat them like an invading rouge nation and turn the Xinjiang region into a huge glass parking lot and start the regional development all over again with 100% Han Chinese population.

By: Sonagi

Sonagi — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:25:38 +0000

So heavy restrictions on religious activities do not qualify as repression? It’s ironic to read such a cavalier dismissal of religious freedom from one who lives in a country where it is constitutionally protected. I wonder how you and other Americans would feel if the US Congress passed a law requiring all religious organizations and appointments of religious leaders to have government approval.

You’re right that Rebiya Kadeer’s sons may be guilty to trying to overthrow the powerful government of a nation of 1.3 billion people living on land roughly the size of the US. IWho knows?

By: Matsuo

Matsuo — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:04:15 +0000

Hmmm… I agree with both what the Han guy says and what the Uyghur people say, which basically means, the ethnic policies of Beijing fail, BIG TIME.

Now, Beijing, do something or let the Chinese people have a better substitute.

By: Lee Walters (Virginia, USA)

Lee Walters (Virginia, USA) — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:45:20 +0000

I have read many accusations of human rights abuse and repression of the Uighur citizens published by the Uighur American Association, but I’ve not seen anything specific that the PRC has done that would be considered Human Rights Abuse. I know Rebiya Kadeer’s sons have been arrested and sentenced for crimes such as of tax evasion and planning to over through the Government. They may or may not be guilty, who knows? So please let’s do not discuss this as Uighur repression. Does anyone have any concrete examples of specific cases of wide spread repression and discrimination other than religious activities?

By: Global Voices Online » China: Call for tough response and resent of biased media

Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:37:52 +0000

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By: subjectivelistener

subjectivelistener — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:10:32 +0000

If most of people being killed are Hans, assuming so, Ms Lam, what does it imply?

If one day, the number is confirmed, would you appologize to Chinese hans?

Dont make yourself sound like animal.

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Chen Ying » Blog Archive » Xinjiang, nuove risorse — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:36:41 +0000

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