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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/06/09/north-korea-two-american-journalists-sentenced-to-hard-labor/comment-page-2/#comment-1571364</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not siding with North Korea, but when an American breaks the rules, its hands down across the world for them. But everybody would be singing a different tune if it were two negros or arabs...</description>
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		<title>By: Spelunker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spelunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We continue our tour of the world media today with a quick glance at the latest headline involving the 2 American journalists in North Korea.

Imagine you are a member of the Ling family and on Sunday morning begin your daily &quot;Google news refresh&quot; routine with Laura Ling&#039;s name.  The first article that actually pops up is a Portuguese headline from Brazil:  

&quot;Uma sentença de morte&quot;

Perhaps nobody in Ling family studied Portuguese but the language does sound remarkably similar to Spanish, so it&#039;s safe to assume that most residents of California will not have to resort to Babel Fish to translate the horrific headline as &quot;A death sentence&quot;

Here is the 4th paragraph of the article, which details experiences in North Korean gulags, that finally mentions Laura Ling and Euna Lee:

&quot;Nos gulags, os prisioneiros sofrem todo tipo de abuso, e entre 20% e 25% deles morrem todos os anos. E é para onde irão as jornalistas americanas Laura Ling e Euna Lee – condenadas na segunda-feira a 12 anos de prisão por ultrapassarem a fronteira do país ilegalmente – caso não haja um acordo diplomático com os EUA.&quot;

http://zerohora.clicrbs.com.br/zerohora/jsp/default2.jsp?uf=1&amp;local=1&amp;source=a2544577.xml&amp;template=3898.dwt&amp;edition=12506&amp;section=1014

Here is my intern, Google Translate, with some quick help on the translation:

&quot;In gulags, prisoners suffer all kinds of abuse, and between 20% and 25% of them die every year. And that is where will be the American journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee - on Monday sentenced to 12 years in prison for entering the country beyond the border illegally - unless there is a diplomatic agreement with the U.S.&quot;

The reason I bring this article to the attention of Global Voices Online is because I was going to beg the world&#039;s media to be more &quot;cautious about speculating&quot; when writing articles (and headlines!).  Most people who are referred to as North Korea &quot;scholars, experts, and watchdogs&quot; seriously doubt that the 2 Americans will actually stay in North Korea beyond Christmas.  (Though why they choose a Christian holiday benchmark is beyond me.)  Those same people also do not believe Laura and Euna will be asked to lift anything heavier than a folding chair, so the &quot;hard labor&quot; part of their sentence is not expected to occur either.

12 years?  Hard labor?  Do you REALLY think the American journalists will serve the entire sentence and be given shovels to help dig the next nuclear bomb test site?  I&#039;m not worried about giving anybody in Pyongyang any funny ideas,  but I am concerned that people in other countries around the world will have unnecessary nightmares after too much Googling of gulag reports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We continue our tour of the world media today with a quick glance at the latest headline involving the 2 American journalists in North Korea.</p>
<p>Imagine you are a member of the Ling family and on Sunday morning begin your daily &#8220;Google news refresh&#8221; routine with Laura Ling&#8217;s name.  The first article that actually pops up is a Portuguese headline from Brazil:  </p>
<p>&#8220;Uma sentença de morte&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps nobody in Ling family studied Portuguese but the language does sound remarkably similar to Spanish, so it&#8217;s safe to assume that most residents of California will not have to resort to Babel Fish to translate the horrific headline as &#8220;A death sentence&#8221;</p>
<p>Here is the 4th paragraph of the article, which details experiences in North Korean gulags, that finally mentions Laura Ling and Euna Lee:</p>
<p>&#8220;Nos gulags, os prisioneiros sofrem todo tipo de abuso, e entre 20% e 25% deles morrem todos os anos. E é para onde irão as jornalistas americanas Laura Ling e Euna Lee – condenadas na segunda-feira a 12 anos de prisão por ultrapassarem a fronteira do país ilegalmente – caso não haja um acordo diplomático com os EUA.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://zerohora.clicrbs.com.br/zerohora/jsp/default2.jsp?uf=1&amp;local=1&amp;source=a2544577.xml&amp;template=3898.dwt&amp;edition=12506&amp;section=1014" rel="nofollow">http://zerohora.clicrbs.com.br/zerohora/jsp/default2.jsp?uf=1&amp;local=1&amp;source=a2544577.xml&amp;template=3898.dwt&amp;edition=12506&amp;section=1014</a></p>
<p>Here is my intern, Google Translate, with some quick help on the translation:</p>
<p>&#8220;In gulags, prisoners suffer all kinds of abuse, and between 20% and 25% of them die every year. And that is where will be the American journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee &#8211; on Monday sentenced to 12 years in prison for entering the country beyond the border illegally &#8211; unless there is a diplomatic agreement with the U.S.&#8221;</p>
<p>The reason I bring this article to the attention of Global Voices Online is because I was going to beg the world&#8217;s media to be more &#8220;cautious about speculating&#8221; when writing articles (and headlines!).  Most people who are referred to as North Korea &#8220;scholars, experts, and watchdogs&#8221; seriously doubt that the 2 Americans will actually stay in North Korea beyond Christmas.  (Though why they choose a Christian holiday benchmark is beyond me.)  Those same people also do not believe Laura and Euna will be asked to lift anything heavier than a folding chair, so the &#8220;hard labor&#8221; part of their sentence is not expected to occur either.</p>
<p>12 years?  Hard labor?  Do you REALLY think the American journalists will serve the entire sentence and be given shovels to help dig the next nuclear bomb test site?  I&#8217;m not worried about giving anybody in Pyongyang any funny ideas,  but I am concerned that people in other countries around the world will have unnecessary nightmares after too much Googling of gulag reports.</p>
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		<title>By: Spelunker</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/06/09/north-korea-two-american-journalists-sentenced-to-hard-labor/comment-page-2/#comment-1570124</link>
		<dc:creator>Spelunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found a new video on YouTube featuring a French film crew chatting with a young docent while touring inside North Korea&#039;s Military Museum last month.
The Frenchmen actually ask her about the 2 American journalists who were caught at the border with China and she seems to be saying that this is the first time she heard about such news!

Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qe24PHFXq8

The conversation about the 2 American journalists begins at 7:30 in the video and then later they joke about espionage.  I&#039;m sorry my French is not good enough to provide a professional translation, but maybe Global Voices Online can ask a European intern to translate the relevant material into English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found a new video on YouTube featuring a French film crew chatting with a young docent while touring inside North Korea&#8217;s Military Museum last month.<br />
The Frenchmen actually ask her about the 2 American journalists who were caught at the border with China and she seems to be saying that this is the first time she heard about such news!</p>
<p>Here is the link:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qe24PHFXq8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qe24PHFXq8</a></p>
<p>The conversation about the 2 American journalists begins at 7:30 in the video and then later they joke about espionage.  I&#8217;m sorry my French is not good enough to provide a professional translation, but maybe Global Voices Online can ask a European intern to translate the relevant material into English.</p>
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		<title>By: Spelunker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spelunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reverend Chun Ki Won of South Korea helped plan the itinerary of Current TV’s crew in China. I’ve been tracking news articles that mention his name and came across this recent one from Voice of America’s Chinese website on June 9:

http://www.voanews.com/chinese/w2009-06-09-voa54.cfm

据报导，一名安排两人采访行程的全姓韩裔牧师Chun Ki-won表示，两人从首尔飞到中国东北的延吉，下一站是辽宁省的丹东。

全牧师的朋友，住在洛杉矶的韩裔牧师申东哲说，全牧师和他因为多年来营救北韩难民，他们的电子邮件和电话都被北韩和中国监控，他相信北韩也因此掌握了两位记者的行动，所以等她们到达结冰的图门江时，趁机行动。

申东哲说：“我知道大多数美国记者不可能那么不理性自己跑进北韩领土，但这两位记者可能靠边境太近了，而北韩一直在监视他们，就像监视我和全牧师一样，等她们靠得够近的时候，就把她们抓过去.

There are three things interesting about this article:

1. First of all, it mentions that Laura Ling and Euna Lee flew together to Yanji (China) from Seoul after meeting with Reverend Chun Ki Won. VOA does not mention a third Current TV journalist that accompanied them (Mitch Koss) at all throughout the entire article! There is also no mention of their local guide in China anywhere in the entire article.

2. Reverend Chun and another pastor who lives in Los Angeles (Shin Dong-chul), claim that both China and North Korea have spied on their e-mail and telephone communications for many years, so Reverend Chun believes North Korea monitored the moves of the 2 reporters in Yanji and waited for the opportunity to take action when they reached the ice of the frozen Tumen River. (Once again no mention of the fact that 2 more people were present on the day of the women’s capture; Mitch and their guide)

3. Shin Dong-chul goes on to say: “I know most American reporters would not be so irrational as to go onto North Korean territory, but maybe these two reporters got too close to the boundary. Plus North Korea was monitoring them, just like they monitor me and Reverend Chun, waiting until they (the two women) got too close and then grabbing them.&quot; (The Chinese phrase “把她们抓过去” means that the women were grabbed and pulled over. ) 

Why would VOA publish an article in Chinese about this story involving Current TV’s reporters and not mention Mitch Koss or the local guide that accompanied them in China? If the target audience is China’s citizens, wouldn’t they be interested in hearing about a citizen of China who was an eyewitness to this intriguing international incident?
And is Mitch Koss such a big secret that the Voice of America dare not voice his name?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reverend Chun Ki Won of South Korea helped plan the itinerary of Current TV’s crew in China. I’ve been tracking news articles that mention his name and came across this recent one from Voice of America’s Chinese website on June 9:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.voanews.com/chinese/w2009-06-09-voa54.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.voanews.com/chinese/w2009-06-09-voa54.cfm</a></p>
<p>据报导，一名安排两人采访行程的全姓韩裔牧师Chun Ki-won表示，两人从首尔飞到中国东北的延吉，下一站是辽宁省的丹东。</p>
<p>全牧师的朋友，住在洛杉矶的韩裔牧师申东哲说，全牧师和他因为多年来营救北韩难民，他们的电子邮件和电话都被北韩和中国监控，他相信北韩也因此掌握了两位记者的行动，所以等她们到达结冰的图门江时，趁机行动。</p>
<p>申东哲说：“我知道大多数美国记者不可能那么不理性自己跑进北韩领土，但这两位记者可能靠边境太近了，而北韩一直在监视他们，就像监视我和全牧师一样，等她们靠得够近的时候，就把她们抓过去.</p>
<p>There are three things interesting about this article:</p>
<p>1. First of all, it mentions that Laura Ling and Euna Lee flew together to Yanji (China) from Seoul after meeting with Reverend Chun Ki Won. VOA does not mention a third Current TV journalist that accompanied them (Mitch Koss) at all throughout the entire article! There is also no mention of their local guide in China anywhere in the entire article.</p>
<p>2. Reverend Chun and another pastor who lives in Los Angeles (Shin Dong-chul), claim that both China and North Korea have spied on their e-mail and telephone communications for many years, so Reverend Chun believes North Korea monitored the moves of the 2 reporters in Yanji and waited for the opportunity to take action when they reached the ice of the frozen Tumen River. (Once again no mention of the fact that 2 more people were present on the day of the women’s capture; Mitch and their guide)</p>
<p>3. Shin Dong-chul goes on to say: “I know most American reporters would not be so irrational as to go onto North Korean territory, but maybe these two reporters got too close to the boundary. Plus North Korea was monitoring them, just like they monitor me and Reverend Chun, waiting until they (the two women) got too close and then grabbing them.&#8221; (The Chinese phrase “把她们抓过去” means that the women were grabbed and pulled over. ) </p>
<p>Why would VOA publish an article in Chinese about this story involving Current TV’s reporters and not mention Mitch Koss or the local guide that accompanied them in China? If the target audience is China’s citizens, wouldn’t they be interested in hearing about a citizen of China who was an eyewitness to this intriguing international incident?<br />
And is Mitch Koss such a big secret that the Voice of America dare not voice his name?</p>
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		<title>By: Spelunker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spelunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to believe Lisa Ling when she says the Current TV crew had no intention of crossing the border into North Korea when they left San Francisco.  
They didn&#039;t heed the warning of the South Korean Christian activist (Chun Ki-won) who helped plan their China itinerary and told them specifically not to go near the actual boundary at the Tumen River border area.
Therefore only one other person could have influenced Mitch Koss, Laura Ling, and Euna Lee on March 17 after they checked out of their Yanji hotel.
Their local guide is guilty.  If CNN, ABC, Los Angeles Times, and other major American news media won&#039;t draw this conclusion for you then Spelunker has to connect the dots.

Do you still think there could be more than one way?
Do you really believe the Current TV crew woke up at 4 a.m. on March 17 and together decided it might be really cool to take a sunrise stroll along the Tumen River and try to film an interview with a North Korean sentry?

As you wish: regardless of how Mitch Koss evaded capture and the two female reporters he left on the Tumen River battlefield got into this mess, ...have I given any thought on how Laura and Euna can be released?
Yes, it&#039;s actually very simple:  Al Gore has to go to Pyongyang on a &quot;hu-monetary-ian&quot; mission and buy them back.   He&#039;ll pay a price likely 100 times more than what Kim Jong-il paid the Yanji guide for them.  They&#039;ve already got at least a US $10,000 hotel bill on top of that (separate rooms, mind you!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to believe Lisa Ling when she says the Current TV crew had no intention of crossing the border into North Korea when they left San Francisco.<br />
They didn&#8217;t heed the warning of the South Korean Christian activist (Chun Ki-won) who helped plan their China itinerary and told them specifically not to go near the actual boundary at the Tumen River border area.<br />
Therefore only one other person could have influenced Mitch Koss, Laura Ling, and Euna Lee on March 17 after they checked out of their Yanji hotel.<br />
Their local guide is guilty.  If CNN, ABC, Los Angeles Times, and other major American news media won&#8217;t draw this conclusion for you then Spelunker has to connect the dots.</p>
<p>Do you still think there could be more than one way?<br />
Do you really believe the Current TV crew woke up at 4 a.m. on March 17 and together decided it might be really cool to take a sunrise stroll along the Tumen River and try to film an interview with a North Korean sentry?</p>
<p>As you wish: regardless of how Mitch Koss evaded capture and the two female reporters he left on the Tumen River battlefield got into this mess, &#8230;have I given any thought on how Laura and Euna can be released?<br />
Yes, it&#8217;s actually very simple:  Al Gore has to go to Pyongyang on a &#8220;hu-monetary-ian&#8221; mission and buy them back.   He&#8217;ll pay a price likely 100 times more than what Kim Jong-il paid the Yanji guide for them.  They&#8217;ve already got at least a US $10,000 hotel bill on top of that (separate rooms, mind you!).</p>
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		<title>By: Solana Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solana Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL the script is very helpful. OK, so regardless of how they got in to this terrible mess (which I still think could have happened in more ways than one), have you given any thought to how the Ling and Lee could be released?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL the script is very helpful. OK, so regardless of how they got in to this terrible mess (which I still think could have happened in more ways than one), have you given any thought to how the Ling and Lee could be released?</p>
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		<title>By: Spelunker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spelunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the transcript of Anderson Cooper’s interview on June 9 with Jim Butterworth and Mike Kim concerning Yanji and the Tumen River area, where Current TV’s crew was on assignment.  I have added my own comment at the end of the transcript.  CNN’s AC360 blog still has not published my comment as it’s now been “awaiting moderation” for nearly 12 hours.
(2 other comments have been approved to the blog after I posted mine.)

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/10/video-north-korea-encounter/#comments

Guest Jim Butterworth talks about the area around the Tumen River including Yanji, where Current TV’s crew was on assignment.

Jim Butterworth: “…it is commonly believed that there are hundreds of North Korean agents who actually had infiltrated the Chinese side, which is almost entirely ethnic Korean .”

Anderson Cooper: “Why would they do that?”

Butterworth: “To capture not only refugees that had escaped into China… In fact there is a bounty paid to Chinese citizens that would turn in North Korean refugees but the bounty is actually 10 times that if they would turn in the activists that would help them or anyone that would assist them.”

Mike Kim; “… North Korea will send spies posing as refugees to infiltrate networks and as a result there have been people abducted… and it really threatens the work of NGO’s there.”

Spelunker: “So then it’s not unreasonable to assume that the ethnic Korean citizen of China that led Current TV’s crew to the Tumen River border on the morning of their departure from Yanji to Dandong could have been acting on an extremely high bounty after tipping off Pyongyang agents that 3 US passport holding journalists were in Yanji interviewing North Korean refugees.”

So, Solana, here is my question for you:  Can you imagine the following cell phone conversation on March 17?

Guide:  It&#039;s me again!
NK agent:  You have another refugee for us?

Guide:  No, something better.
NK agent:  A South Korean activist?  That will be 10 times the usual reward...

Guide:  What would be 1000 times the usual reward?
NK agent:  1000 times?  You&#039;re kidding; you funny guide.  Who could be worth so much money?

Guide:  How about 3 US passport holding journalists?
NK agent:  Really?  What are they doing in Yanji?

Guide:  Interviewing refugees.  They have taken video over the last 2 days.  There&#039;s more!
NK agent?  More?  What could possibly be better than that?

Guide:  OK, are you ready for this?  One is a female Korean-American citizen...
NK agent:  Good, I can communicate with her!

Guide:  Another one is the sister of Lisa Ling!
NK agent:  LISA LING?  You must be kidding?  Are you sure they are related?  WOW!  Dear Leader Kim Jong-il will be so happy!  Uh...golly gee... so who&#039;s the third one?

Guide:  The executive producer for a media company that is owned by former US vice president Al Gore!
NK Agent:  *faints*
Guide:  Hello?  HELLO?  You still there?

NK Agent:  Oh.  my.  GOD!
Guide:  Show me the money! Ha ha HAAAA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the transcript of Anderson Cooper’s interview on June 9 with Jim Butterworth and Mike Kim concerning Yanji and the Tumen River area, where Current TV’s crew was on assignment.  I have added my own comment at the end of the transcript.  CNN’s AC360 blog still has not published my comment as it’s now been “awaiting moderation” for nearly 12 hours.<br />
(2 other comments have been approved to the blog after I posted mine.)</p>
<p><a href="http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/10/video-north-korea-encounter/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/10/video-north-korea-encounter/#comments</a></p>
<p>Guest Jim Butterworth talks about the area around the Tumen River including Yanji, where Current TV’s crew was on assignment.</p>
<p>Jim Butterworth: “…it is commonly believed that there are hundreds of North Korean agents who actually had infiltrated the Chinese side, which is almost entirely ethnic Korean .”</p>
<p>Anderson Cooper: “Why would they do that?”</p>
<p>Butterworth: “To capture not only refugees that had escaped into China… In fact there is a bounty paid to Chinese citizens that would turn in North Korean refugees but the bounty is actually 10 times that if they would turn in the activists that would help them or anyone that would assist them.”</p>
<p>Mike Kim; “… North Korea will send spies posing as refugees to infiltrate networks and as a result there have been people abducted… and it really threatens the work of NGO’s there.”</p>
<p>Spelunker: “So then it’s not unreasonable to assume that the ethnic Korean citizen of China that led Current TV’s crew to the Tumen River border on the morning of their departure from Yanji to Dandong could have been acting on an extremely high bounty after tipping off Pyongyang agents that 3 US passport holding journalists were in Yanji interviewing North Korean refugees.”</p>
<p>So, Solana, here is my question for you:  Can you imagine the following cell phone conversation on March 17?</p>
<p>Guide:  It&#8217;s me again!<br />
NK agent:  You have another refugee for us?</p>
<p>Guide:  No, something better.<br />
NK agent:  A South Korean activist?  That will be 10 times the usual reward&#8230;</p>
<p>Guide:  What would be 1000 times the usual reward?<br />
NK agent:  1000 times?  You&#8217;re kidding; you funny guide.  Who could be worth so much money?</p>
<p>Guide:  How about 3 US passport holding journalists?<br />
NK agent:  Really?  What are they doing in Yanji?</p>
<p>Guide:  Interviewing refugees.  They have taken video over the last 2 days.  There&#8217;s more!<br />
NK agent?  More?  What could possibly be better than that?</p>
<p>Guide:  OK, are you ready for this?  One is a female Korean-American citizen&#8230;<br />
NK agent:  Good, I can communicate with her!</p>
<p>Guide:  Another one is the sister of Lisa Ling!<br />
NK agent:  LISA LING?  You must be kidding?  Are you sure they are related?  WOW!  Dear Leader Kim Jong-il will be so happy!  Uh&#8230;golly gee&#8230; so who&#8217;s the third one?</p>
<p>Guide:  The executive producer for a media company that is owned by former US vice president Al Gore!<br />
NK Agent:  *faints*<br />
Guide:  Hello?  HELLO?  You still there?</p>
<p>NK Agent:  Oh.  my.  GOD!<br />
Guide:  Show me the money! Ha ha HAAAA!</p>
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		<title>By: Spelunker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spelunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reports in China that the Chinese guide was arrested?  Please post a link here; pardon me but isn&#039;t that what Global Voices Online is for?  I can read Chinese and have not found any such report.  Most say that Mitch Koss and the guide were  &quot;detained&quot;.
Here are 3 examples from different Chinese media:

1.  有报导称美国摄影师Mitch Koss和一名中国导游被中国警方拘留 
2.  她们的同事高斯(Mitch Koss)与中国向导则被中国边界警卫拘捕
3.   另一名美国摄影师Mitch Koss和一名中国向导被中国警方阻止

To use the word &quot;arrest&quot; (逮捕) would imply that a particular charge was formerly brought against the guide.   
It&#039;s relatively safe to assume that the guide was let go just like Mitch was allowed to go home soon after the March 17 incident.  
China is not known for investigative journalism, so don&#039;t expect local media in Jilin province (let alone a reporter from anywhere in mainland China) to go snooping around Yanji in search of that guide&#039;s whereabouts.  
Nobody is more cautious than Spelunker when speculating on what really happened on March 17.
My analysis is based on legitimate media reports and familiarity with the situation on the China/North Korea border.  (3 infiltrations, all successful, from China onto North Korean territory in 2002 and 2005.)

The frustrating aspect of monitoring this story is not so much the unanswered questions as it it the unasked questions.   Nobody is asking &quot;Who hired that local guide in Yanji?&quot;   Nobody is asking &quot;What was that guide&#039;s name?&quot;  Nobody is asking the South Korean activists familiar with that local guide in Yanji to elaborate on their suspicions.

While Hollywood paparazzi will follow Britney Spears and Mel Gibson all over Los Angeles, no L.A. reporter is bold enough to put a microphone in front of the mouth of Mitch Koss (who will refuse to comment anyway.)  In fact very few major media news organizations in America even dare to mention his name.  Go ahead and do a Google news search for &quot;Mitch Koss&quot; and see how many results you get!

What evidence would you like that could prove once and for all that the local guide in Yanji played a part in the capture of Current TV&#039;s crew?  Nobody knows where the guide is now and Mitch Koss won&#039;t talk.  

Here&#039;s what we do know:
1.  The Current TV crew was scheduled to go to Dandong on March 17, thus the pre-dawn departure time from Yanji.  
2.  The Tumen River border area was not on their original itinerary and they were warned not to go near the boundary.
3.  In Yanji a bounty system exists for the arrest of North Korean refugees and activists who assist them.

Now I will add another informative post below that will allow you to draw your own conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reports in China that the Chinese guide was arrested?  Please post a link here; pardon me but isn&#8217;t that what Global Voices Online is for?  I can read Chinese and have not found any such report.  Most say that Mitch Koss and the guide were  &#8220;detained&#8221;.<br />
Here are 3 examples from different Chinese media:</p>
<p>1.  有报导称美国摄影师Mitch Koss和一名中国导游被中国警方拘留<br />
2.  她们的同事高斯(Mitch Koss)与中国向导则被中国边界警卫拘捕<br />
3.   另一名美国摄影师Mitch Koss和一名中国向导被中国警方阻止</p>
<p>To use the word &#8220;arrest&#8221; (逮捕) would imply that a particular charge was formerly brought against the guide.<br />
It&#8217;s relatively safe to assume that the guide was let go just like Mitch was allowed to go home soon after the March 17 incident.<br />
China is not known for investigative journalism, so don&#8217;t expect local media in Jilin province (let alone a reporter from anywhere in mainland China) to go snooping around Yanji in search of that guide&#8217;s whereabouts.<br />
Nobody is more cautious than Spelunker when speculating on what really happened on March 17.<br />
My analysis is based on legitimate media reports and familiarity with the situation on the China/North Korea border.  (3 infiltrations, all successful, from China onto North Korean territory in 2002 and 2005.)</p>
<p>The frustrating aspect of monitoring this story is not so much the unanswered questions as it it the unasked questions.   Nobody is asking &#8220;Who hired that local guide in Yanji?&#8221;   Nobody is asking &#8220;What was that guide&#8217;s name?&#8221;  Nobody is asking the South Korean activists familiar with that local guide in Yanji to elaborate on their suspicions.</p>
<p>While Hollywood paparazzi will follow Britney Spears and Mel Gibson all over Los Angeles, no L.A. reporter is bold enough to put a microphone in front of the mouth of Mitch Koss (who will refuse to comment anyway.)  In fact very few major media news organizations in America even dare to mention his name.  Go ahead and do a Google news search for &#8220;Mitch Koss&#8221; and see how many results you get!</p>
<p>What evidence would you like that could prove once and for all that the local guide in Yanji played a part in the capture of Current TV&#8217;s crew?  Nobody knows where the guide is now and Mitch Koss won&#8217;t talk.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what we do know:<br />
1.  The Current TV crew was scheduled to go to Dandong on March 17, thus the pre-dawn departure time from Yanji.<br />
2.  The Tumen River border area was not on their original itinerary and they were warned not to go near the boundary.<br />
3.  In Yanji a bounty system exists for the arrest of North Korean refugees and activists who assist them.</p>
<p>Now I will add another informative post below that will allow you to draw your own conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Solana Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solana Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the helpful comments Spelunker. I think it&#039;s probably better to be cautious about speculating and casting blame. No one seems to have a lot of information about what happened and the media are as susceptible to rumors as readers are. There are also reports in China that the Chinese guide was arrested. As far as I can see there is no evidence that their arrest was a trap, but there are certainly lots of conflicting rumors and unanswered questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the helpful comments Spelunker. I think it&#8217;s probably better to be cautious about speculating and casting blame. No one seems to have a lot of information about what happened and the media are as susceptible to rumors as readers are. There are also reports in China that the Chinese guide was arrested. As far as I can see there is no evidence that their arrest was a trap, but there are certainly lots of conflicting rumors and unanswered questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Bhumika Ghimire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhumika Ghimire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you for pointing that. i apologize for missing that out. here is what LiberateLaura says:

&quot;It was a writer for @timesonline, Ben MacIntyre, who noted a few weeks ago that the drama currently unfolding in North Korea was one worthy of Shakespeare. To wit, “Mad king (Kim Jong-il) attempts to secure succession for favored son (Kim Jong-un) by a show of strength, unleashing chaos.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for pointing that. i apologize for missing that out. here is what LiberateLaura says:</p>
<p>&#8220;It was a writer for @timesonline, Ben MacIntyre, who noted a few weeks ago that the drama currently unfolding in North Korea was one worthy of Shakespeare. To wit, “Mad king (Kim Jong-il) attempts to secure succession for favored son (Kim Jong-un) by a show of strength, unleashing chaos.”</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; USA: Roxana Saberi to Ling and Lee: &#8220;You are not alone&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; USA: Roxana Saberi to Ling and Lee: &#8220;You are not alone&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] asked by the CPJ blog what she would say to journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee who were recently sentenced to 12 years hard labor in North Korea.        Cancel this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] asked by the CPJ blog what she would say to journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee who were recently sentenced to 12 years hard labor in North Korea.        Cancel this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Spelunker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spelunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;Shakespearean analogy&quot; quotation on Richard Horton&#039;s  LiberateLaura blog should be properly attributed to Ben MacIntyre from the UK&#039;s Times Online.

I am glad to see MacIntyre&#039;s conjecture posted here on Global Voices Online as it supports my theory that Current TV&#039;s crew were duped by the &quot;trickery of a paid-off Chinese guide&quot; on the morning that they were supposed to proceed to Dandong from Yanji.  Somehow they took the scenic route or a detour near the Tumen River.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Shakespearean analogy&#8221; quotation on Richard Horton&#8217;s  LiberateLaura blog should be properly attributed to Ben MacIntyre from the UK&#8217;s Times Online.</p>
<p>I am glad to see MacIntyre&#8217;s conjecture posted here on Global Voices Online as it supports my theory that Current TV&#8217;s crew were duped by the &#8220;trickery of a paid-off Chinese guide&#8221; on the morning that they were supposed to proceed to Dandong from Yanji.  Somehow they took the scenic route or a detour near the Tumen River.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s bad form for Al Gore to do so little as he is directly responsible for his employees. These woman worked for him and now he sits in silence? I talk about this on my blog: http://tinyurl.com/mb3tan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s bad form for Al Gore to do so little as he is directly responsible for his employees. These woman worked for him and now he sits in silence? I talk about this on my blog: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/mb3tan" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/mb3tan</a></p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who really thinks the Jackson - Richardson formula is still viable, especially after Richardson was just on Larry King talking about the North Koreans as if they were the object of an anthropological study.  I would think Lil Kim gets CNN.

And where the hell are the Chinese?  They&#039;ve got the stick, do they lack the balls?



http://www.examiner.com/x-11780-San-Mateo-Moderate-Republican-Examiner~y2009m6d9-When-will-China-stepup</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who really thinks the Jackson &#8211; Richardson formula is still viable, especially after Richardson was just on Larry King talking about the North Koreans as if they were the object of an anthropological study.  I would think Lil Kim gets CNN.</p>
<p>And where the hell are the Chinese?  They&#8217;ve got the stick, do they lack the balls?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-11780-San-Mateo-Moderate-Republican-Examiner~y2009m6d9-When-will-China-stepup" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/x-11780-San-Mateo-Moderate-Republican-Examiner~y2009m6d9-When-will-China-stepup</a></p>
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