I am very pleased to see someone post a differing view of the events that happened at Tiananmen Square on June 4, 1989. Of course, the government should have considered other options that night, which resulted in a number of casualties.

However, it more important for Chinese citizens to be wary on how some well-intentioned student demonstrations can be transformed or made to look like an outright rebellion.

It’s just show how simple mind most Chinese are, and how easy they can be influenced, those few students got help to stay in the West since, realized that they been used, wasted their life doing odd jobs to live on and being look down as the 3rd race.

Its time China wake up now, use your brain to support your own race and nation.

According to a TAM retrospective from Columbia School of Journalism:

http://www.studien-von-zeitfragen.net/Zeitfragen/Tiananmen/tiananmen.html

“as far as can be determined from the available evidence, no one died that night in Tiananmen Square”

Jay Mathews made it very clear at the end of his article:

“Journalists have to be precise about where it happened and who were its victims, or readers and viewers will never be able to understand what it meant.”

Here’s an OpEd by Gregory Clark, Birth of a massacre myth:

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo20080721gc.html

Here’s a Youtube clip of a TAM documentary. At minute 5:57 Ho Dejian makes his account of the events very clear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igsW5yQ6428

“Many people say that at Tiananmen square about 2,000 were shot or perhaps several hundred were shot. On the square were tanks that crushed people and students etc. etc. I would like to stress that I did not witness this a bit”

Dude, if you are not of one them, I duely apologize for my choice of words.

However, sometimes things do speak for themselves. Often times, it is quite obvious from people’s handles and snide one-liners that their egos are far more well developed than other faculties.

Yes, this is a thread about June 4th. What the heck does it have to do this crap about “Now mainland Chinese only cares about money.” If I wasn’t so dumb, I would say this is kind of proclamations are simply very thinly veiled racism or just ignorance.

Maybe this is what being “enlightened” is — to be able to paint a 4th of humanity with a single stoke.

And one has to wonder whether comments such as “I wonder what the future of China will be with elites going abroad and brainwashed products left behind?” has any basis in fact or just the simplified beliefs of some “enlightened” one.

Yeah, I will talk about June 4th when you can bring a little more substance to the table.

Best regards,
some schmo

“Birds are entangled by their feet, and men by their tongues.”

I wonder whether there is any so-called moderation of comments. If there is , how can an offensive word like “moronic” be allowed to appear?
I have to admit that I am just enlightened but maybe you are “omniscient” like CCP leaders. Could you, an omniscient one, tell me why so many of those elites are going back as Americans, Canadians, Australians and Europeans rather than citizens of PRC? And since this is a post about 1989 massacre, why do you response only to my “elites going abroad” which may not be completely right? What do you say to the massacre?