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		<title>By: Media Channel 2.0 &#8212; Blog &#8212; Global: Bubbles, Bailouts and Stimulus Plans</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/02/03/kazakhstan-end-of-private-banks/comment-page-1/#comment-1595132</link>
		<dc:creator>Media Channel 2.0 &#8212; Blog &#8212; Global: Bubbles, Bailouts and Stimulus Plans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] firms. Bank nationalization schemes have been enforced in some countries like Iceland and Kazakhstan. Trinidad and Tobago banks were rescued not just by their government but also by governments from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] firms. Bank nationalization schemes have been enforced in some countries like Iceland and Kazakhstan. Trinidad and Tobago banks were rescued not just by their government but also by governments from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Global: Bubbles, Bailouts and Stimulus Plans</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] firms. Bank nationalization schemes have been enforced in some countries like Iceland and Kazakhstan. Trinidad and Tobago banks were rescued not just by their government but also by governments from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Narcogen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Narcogen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they&#039;re trying desperately to avoid the N-word, since that&#039;s bad for FDI. 

If you look at what&#039;s been done in the past few years with the subsoil laws, and now the banking laws, there&#039;s a pattern there: the GoK has special rights and privileges and exercising them ends up putting property that was previously private into the hands of the state.

However, this isn&#039;t &quot;nationalization&quot; since nationalization is bad, and they always have a reason (e.g., subsoil resources are strategic, violation of banking laws, etc). 

I&#039;d say it&#039;s nationalization regardless of what the reason is, but that&#039;s just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they&#8217;re trying desperately to avoid the N-word, since that&#8217;s bad for FDI. </p>
<p>If you look at what&#8217;s been done in the past few years with the subsoil laws, and now the banking laws, there&#8217;s a pattern there: the GoK has special rights and privileges and exercising them ends up putting property that was previously private into the hands of the state.</p>
<p>However, this isn&#8217;t &#8220;nationalization&#8221; since nationalization is bad, and they always have a reason (e.g., subsoil resources are strategic, violation of banking laws, etc). </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s nationalization regardless of what the reason is, but that&#8217;s just me.</p>
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		<title>By: KZBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>KZBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 05:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is also troubling that the government and the bank have been releasing misleading statements. Any number of times Samruk-Kazyna and BTA Bank and Alliance Bank have denied rumours of any government takeover and stated that the government would buy 25% of their shares, as they are doing with Kazkommertsbank and Halyk Bank. So the fact is this deal was deliberately concealed from the taxpayers, foreign investors, and creditors of those banks. That is troubling and it leaves one wondering what is next. Foreign investors and creditors will see that Kazakhstan is not honest about its plans and stop investing here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is also troubling that the government and the bank have been releasing misleading statements. Any number of times Samruk-Kazyna and BTA Bank and Alliance Bank have denied rumours of any government takeover and stated that the government would buy 25% of their shares, as they are doing with Kazkommertsbank and Halyk Bank. So the fact is this deal was deliberately concealed from the taxpayers, foreign investors, and creditors of those banks. That is troubling and it leaves one wondering what is next. Foreign investors and creditors will see that Kazakhstan is not honest about its plans and stop investing here.</p>
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		<title>By: Narcogen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Narcogen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether Ablyazov is a &quot;good guy&quot; or not I think really isn&#039;t the point. The point is that to varying degrees, large banks in Kazakhstan are in dire straits, as they are in many parts of the world.

However, every other bank that has been bailed out in Kazakhstan so far as approached the government and reached an amicable agreement. BTA was taken over without communication with the board, and Ablyazov removed.

One interpretation is that BTA really was worse off than any of the other banks, and this triggered the appropriate clause in the banking law.

Another is that BTA, being most closely associated with what little political opposition exists in Kazakhstan, was singled out for treatment that was different in execution, if not in substance, from the other banks. 

Bottom line: of the four largest banks, all are in trouble, and all have gotten help. The two most closely associated with political opponents of the regime have lost control due to the shares taken; I believe (correct me if my recollection is incorrect) that the other two have not.

(Although again, the percentage of shares held by the government in banks whose owners are known to be friendly to the regime isn&#039;t really the point...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether Ablyazov is a &#8220;good guy&#8221; or not I think really isn&#8217;t the point. The point is that to varying degrees, large banks in Kazakhstan are in dire straits, as they are in many parts of the world.</p>
<p>However, every other bank that has been bailed out in Kazakhstan so far as approached the government and reached an amicable agreement. BTA was taken over without communication with the board, and Ablyazov removed.</p>
<p>One interpretation is that BTA really was worse off than any of the other banks, and this triggered the appropriate clause in the banking law.</p>
<p>Another is that BTA, being most closely associated with what little political opposition exists in Kazakhstan, was singled out for treatment that was different in execution, if not in substance, from the other banks. </p>
<p>Bottom line: of the four largest banks, all are in trouble, and all have gotten help. The two most closely associated with political opponents of the regime have lost control due to the shares taken; I believe (correct me if my recollection is incorrect) that the other two have not.</p>
<p>(Although again, the percentage of shares held by the government in banks whose owners are known to be friendly to the regime isn&#8217;t really the point&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Bakinets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bakinets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously no one comes out of this mess looking particularly good, and it&#039;s too bad the Kazakh banking sector is becoming for now state dominated, as in so many other countries (like the UK). But your efforts to make BTA and Ablyazov the &quot;good guy&quot; here are strange. BTA was not traded on any foreign exchange (contrary to what is stated above), unlike the other three major Kazakh banks. But in any case Kazakhstan has its own disclosure roles, which are actually pretty tough -- and BTA (and not only BTA) seems to have been making misleading disclosures about things like non-performing loans. Under Ablyazov&#039;s management BTA was more aggressive and reckless than any other Kazakh bank, and indeed it was world-class in this area. Ablayzov has nothing at all to complain about. He borrowed too much and ultimately ran BTA into the ground. His efforts to make this seem like some sort of political attack on himself are not credible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously no one comes out of this mess looking particularly good, and it&#8217;s too bad the Kazakh banking sector is becoming for now state dominated, as in so many other countries (like the UK). But your efforts to make BTA and Ablyazov the &#8220;good guy&#8221; here are strange. BTA was not traded on any foreign exchange (contrary to what is stated above), unlike the other three major Kazakh banks. But in any case Kazakhstan has its own disclosure roles, which are actually pretty tough &#8212; and BTA (and not only BTA) seems to have been making misleading disclosures about things like non-performing loans. Under Ablyazov&#8217;s management BTA was more aggressive and reckless than any other Kazakh bank, and indeed it was world-class in this area. Ablayzov has nothing at all to complain about. He borrowed too much and ultimately ran BTA into the ground. His efforts to make this seem like some sort of political attack on himself are not credible.</p>
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		<title>By: Narcogen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Narcogen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice analysis... but is it really necessary to quote yourself? I&#039;m not sure Kazakhstan needs a Bob Dole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice analysis&#8230; but is it really necessary to quote yourself? I&#8217;m not sure Kazakhstan needs a Bob Dole.</p>
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		<title>By: kazakhstan.neweurasia.net &#187; End of private banks</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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