Comments on: Arab World: “We Stopped Saying Israel…”

By: reality

reality — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:48:53 +0000

The muslim world (read arab world) has only one hope left – get its people away from the illiterate mullahs who want to drag them to 7th century saudi arabia.

They cannot live foreever on oil and have no technology, no food, no freedoms – no nothing wihtout the western and asian world. Anybody who disagrees —- just look around you now and name one item u see made by a muslim or even invented by one ( dont say the usual example of things “invented” in the 10th century. They were mostly stolen from lands muslims plundered and destroyed.

Get in line with the world or get out of it.

By: George

George — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:52:52 +0000

Wether people recognize the nation of Israel or not it is still the nation that God has given to them as promised in the Holy Scriptures through Isaac the promised seed.But promises were also made to Ismael the other Son of Abraham,by Hagar ,that they would have ten nations which they do.So why not let Israel have their nation and not covet theirs.We all have a sin nature and need a God of love and forgiveness to forgive them. He is found in the Holy Scriptures as the Lord Jesus Christ,the promised Messiah and that Prophet that Moses said we must hear to be saved. As found in the preserved word of God,the Authorized King James Holy Bible. He lived a sinless life,and died for our sins on the cross in Israel and shed his sinless blood as the full atonement for our sins.He was buried,and rose from the dead and was seen of men and went back up to heaven.We can receive Gods gift of eternal life in heaven by repenting of our sins and trusting him as our God and Saviour.Thank You,very much,Sincerely;

By: michael cook

michael cook — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:58:35 +0000

Your goals are admirable, but not realistic, for you ignore the one constant of all human history, which is the fact that we as a species have been butchering each other by the hundreds of millions for millenia in every part of the world without exception. All past dreamers, and I will name but a few, Jesus Christ came with the best of ideals and they killed him, and the pain, suffering, destruction and death that he left in his wake is staggering in its totality, and still continues today. Ghandi’s dreams which was similiar to Jesus has only brought about his death and the suffering and death of millions of those he tried to help, these misguided souls and there are plenty of them today are taking us all to hell. My prediction for the near future is not a dream, but in keeping with the real world that is divided by colour, creed, culture and the greatest divider of all, religion. The world is torn asunder by our differences, and in the present global financial meltdown, leading to breakdown in civil order, conflicts between nations, and within nations will increase. Racial hatreds will intensify, to where we will be fighting in our cities, towns and streets. For human behaviour is consistent it never fails, as history testifies to, that is the reality, not the dream. The reality continues, for in the coming conflagration as the world situation deteriorates people will stick with their own kind.We live in a world whose foundation has been built on paper, what do you expect to happen to this greedy world of ours. If Jesus christ and many like him have failed, do you not think you are presumptous in the extreme to think that you can unite mankind? Wake up, the nightmare has begun, be prepared to defend yourselves. Michael.

By: George

George — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 01:41:07 +0000

Israels name is still Israel wether others call them that or not. It means Prince with God since there was Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who later became Israel. Abraham had two sons Isaac and Ishmael.Ismael being the father of the Arab nations and God said ten nations would come from him.But Israel would have the Caanan land which is now present day Israel. From whom the true Messiah came The LORD Jesus Christ.Who was much more than a prophet but God manifest in the flesh.Who lived a sinless life and died for all our sins on the cross, was buried, and rose from the dead the third day was seen of men and went back up to Heaven.We can have Gods gift of eternal life if we repent of our sins against God andtrust Jesus Christ as our personal God and Saviour.Come to him today and be saved.Ask now!

By: Badrul Islam

Badrul Islam — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:43:36 +0000

Stan R,
I just read the Revolt of the Macabees in google– didnt know about this.
I opned the Haaretz.com and got the site but no where find a link to register or submit articles etc. What would be more interesting is to find some Jew civilians butn conscious Citizens –Not politicians–they cause all th complexities– and have a debate on the Saudi King’s peace proposal- the Israelis also find its close to their Comprehensive plan– and debate on its prospects– because there is no statement as to the reactions of the general Citizens on this proposal–whether they know or they uinderstand etc– after all if that works they have to stay side by side.
What do you think?? or incase you think is not possible then can you please helpm in finding sites where we can get the reactions of the general Citizens– jews/arabs-christian and muslim etc.

By: Stan R

Stan R — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:07:30 +0000

Hi Badrul, you can read jerusalem post, (jpost.com). They are actively looking for someone like you who can articulate arab or palestinian perspective. Haaretz.com is otherone. Then you have ynetnews.com. Uou have to understand the jews like to fight but verbally. You don’t have to worry.
When it comes to religion you are talking to wrong person. I am not only zionist hawk but also very agressive atheist. I compare Islam to Judaism during the Macabbe revolt against the Romans. It looks very nice small group of zealots fought large army against all the odds. Looking at it from 2000 years in future. They destroyed Israel as a nation. And the “nackba” for 2000 years.The palestinians copy the macabbes now, let hope there will not be same result.

By: Badrul Islam

Badrul Islam — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:32:53 +0000

Stan R,
Debating with with a good Zionist Hawk like you is a pleasure; many Jews who are as good as you are protesting the Hard-liners;n they are the cause -let copy paste a report here:—
Jackson Diehl, Editor of Washington Post, dated Feb9, 2009. “The past four Israeli elections have been won by a candidate who promised to end Israel’s conflict with the Palestinians. Tomorrow, for the first time in decades, Israelis may choose a prime minister who is promising to wage war.
“We must smash the Hamas power in Gaza,” Likud party leader Binyamin (“Bibi”) Netanyahu said at one rally last week. “There will be no escape from toppling the Hamas regime,” he said at a security conference the next day. “I’m sorry to say we haven’t gotten the job done,” he said of Israel’s recent Gaza offensive in a radio interview. “The next government will have no choice but to finish the job and uproot . . . the Iranian terror base.”. This wild attitude of the Isareli politician who may win the parliament seat cannot be useful to the peace plans that USA, Western Alliances and the Arabs want
The problem lies in such attitude. The Arab side the Hardliners are the Hamas.
Education is very important and particularly education of religion with meaning– Moses of the Jews is known as Musa in Islam and in both religious book the story is the same Moses VS King Pharaoun and Moses leading his follower through the red sea which divided into two due to God’s miracle thus saving them from Pharaoun.
The difference is in explanation Of Jesus- Islam believes that he is Prophet sent to Earth as proof the God can show miracles- Christanity says he is Son of God and I guess Jews think the same like Christian– but nowhere in any religious books are written that the Creation of God then People should fight over this and yet its one reason for fights and hatred
The muslims prays for the well being of all prophets including Moses and Issah (Jesus)
I cannot find any reference of how this origin texts and ideas are twisted to make the world believe that Muslims dont believe or hate Moses and Jesus. Can you think of this?
The whole area- Israel- west bank and Gaza is agricultural stripm with some availability gas –No oil- therefore if Palestine and Israel states r formed they do need each other– lets keep the fingers crossed that wise people from all sides can stop this permanently.
I was waiting for yre email/web address of some Israeli papers– but i guess my name would most immediately rule out possibility of publishing any comments

By: Stan R

Stan R — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:53:25 +0000

Very interesting study had published and I will try to input the address here>
http://www.ajc.org/atf/cf/%7B42D75369-D582-4380-8395-D25925B85EAF%7D/ISRAELI_ARABS_AND_JEWS.pdf.
Many here, if they had read my feedbacks consider me a zionist hawk and I am. But I also believe that only way for Arabs and Jews find a common road, is through education and socioeconomic equity.

By: Badrul Islam

Badrul Islam — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:55:43 +0000

Jillian York,
The higher the rates the better. A very surprising data received the other day, and I share this here that pridoners edcation rate is higher,normal prisoners not that like GITMO or Abu Gharib.
I am aware that under restricted system of the Isareli Authorities they run schools for palestinians.
But I am pleasantly surprised at the information you gave me. Thank you. If you know of any more pleasant detail please do share forthats how we learn.

By: Jillian York

Jillian York — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:43:02 +0000

@Badrul Islam,

Isn’t it amazing then that both the West Bank and Gaza have literacy rates of 92.4%?

So Palestine, occupied and under siege for years, maintains education (I know someone will bring up who is educating Palestine, but it doesn’t matter if children can still learn under such conditions), while Morocco (etc), peaceful for years – maintain literacy rates under 70%?

Hmm…

By: Badrul Islam

Badrul Islam — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:41:42 +0000

Stan,
Good suggestions but can you help in providing some names with website address.
The extreme part of our nreligion is being made a propoganda of by the a group of Politicians because most Americans by now have sought various nclarifications through website and are aware that the only difference is that you call Jesus son of God and we say Jesus is a prophet sent by God as HE sent several others to teach mankind– also American and Christians are aware that Jewish– Judaism accepts the same that Jesus is a Prophet and Judaism is more close than christainity to Islam– in any case difference between three is very narrow but style in Prayers vary.
History has proof of the wild acts performed in nane of Christainity too–like white brotherhood– and I am not saying that Muslims are perfect like WHTTEBROTHERHOOD cl;aimed–to err is human and yes due to illiteracy handling of issues are not correct; But excuse America and Europe has where education n literacy are highest and they are more economically sound– they should know the facts and its time THEY TALK openly with ISRAELIS- that Support blindly will no longer be there.
Also you general people like must initiate too as we from Asia are tryiong.
Am waiting for yr forwarding me some email address of some Columnists and Journalists and newspaper Editorss.

By: Krista Gum

Krista Gum — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:29:44 +0000

Hi!
Indian people, arabs, orientals do not always “remember” that the european elite kept their (working) people(s) as slaves too. The industrial revolution (1850 – )relyed on forced labour, childabuse and sufferings. Though middle-eastern prominencies around 1900 where interested in f.ex. the freedom ideas of the french revolution, the railway etc, they did not see that europan values where all fascistic.
Thats why no light is to be seen in ths conflict between modern Israel and middle-east arabs if not the western values are merged with oriental and US-european power is weakened of climate- and environmental coercion and US-european financial (economical) system’s defeat.

By: Stan R

Stan R — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:32:03 +0000

Hi Bedrul:
You, and people like you, who have to write to US, Israeli or European newspapers to show a different face of Middle East population. What they see is an extreme religious tribal nationalistic groups with huge chip on the shoulder who are willing to kill or die for their beliefs. People here same I am sure like average person in Middle East wants to have a choice. We are slowly moving from nation-state to regional-state based on social and economic interests. The Islamic (common religion) based co-operation what you advocate is very un-acceptable to rest of the world. The wars were fought in past and US is based on the separation of state and religion because of that. Unfortunately even Israel is moving toward the tribal religious state as a response to outside treats. There are only about 10% of population who subcribe to that premise but with each attack, killings or political treat, more and more people jump a fence. On both sides average but opened minded people have to be heard.

By: Badrul Islam

Badrul Islam — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:31:43 +0000

Stan,
Appreciate yr cordial comments and critism– what lines make me sound like using tribal nationalistic- I should learn to improve to plave views better.
The economic position and capability of Palestine is known and therefore I agree if a joint economic cooperation can be made and yr guess could prove more correct about federation system.
Right now however even with the best intention of US; mind you 0bama has studied public reaction and is reason why he speaks of CHANGE- but must be realistic and not dress-rehearsal. Mitchell did well for North Ireland but Tony here was a blunder and if you remember and check internet you will find opinions to prove that he too was responsible to feed wrong data and start the turmoil in Iraq. Mind you no one liked Saddam not even the Muslim world but you have seen a Country destroyed and many Americans and Coalition soldiers die–loss to the parents not the Politicians.Am sure yiou r aware of all these.
Right now after Michel submits his evaluation the US President and his team must have to tell ISRAEL that we may change support– telliong ISRAEL tom unclench fists and that ARMS supply will be stopped is of no use now–they have been stocked up well and can continue fighting for more than a year within which they can wipe Palestine out. Arms supplyiers must be warned not to supply to Hamas too and a support for long term cease-fire should be ensured.
But Israel has to realize reality thast they are encroachers- history says so- if they wish to continue they have to live with good relations with all Palestine and Arabs.
Meanwhile from the Muslim world there must be a equal amount of reciprocation i.e warning to Hamas or hezbollah or Fatah and a peace plan that will be supervised by them to ensure no more fighting. And somewhere down the line they Must wake up to make their countries free frem dependence of the West.
Romember that when the East India Company from Britain made India a colony the main Monarch i.e the Queen and the general public British dint know what actually was happening–they were told that they are training and make Indians human– meanwhile they treated them as slaves — as same as the Blacks were treated in America.
You have a good mind and hopefully you would write to papers in US and try to create an opinion which should be humane– I will try this this side but sometimes the Newspapers refuses to publish articles.
Lets hope we can continue educating eash other and debate points to find a solution. How do we get to write to the senators ???

By: Stan R

Stan R — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:35:59 +0000

Hi Badrul:
Problem is that Palestine as an indepedent country economically can not survive. There was an interview last year on Israeli TV with Palestinian politician from West Bank. He spent many years in Israeli prison, He was fluent in Hebrew. Educated Palestinians know that they have to have a economic relationship with economicaly stronger country. They would prefer Israel but they have problem with Arab perception and at this moment Israeli distrust. For that reason now the Israeli polititians are talking about first economic build up of Palestine. Second indepedence to give time to breath and maybe a federated state. Many educated Palestinians would like to jump and go into federated state but at this moment it’s not posible. Even you are still using tribal nationalistic terminology. Many Israelis have a same problem. It will take some time to move European Union model in Middle East.