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		<title>By: MarxistFromLebanon</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarxistFromLebanon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, nothing changed in my absence :)</description>
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		<title>By: Zafer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The islamic enemies &quot;Israel&quot; will be shocked by the result for its aggression on Gaza and Palastinian people, becouse every one care for his lands and fights for it will finaly win the holy true which is the victory as &quot;The Leader&quot; Saeed hassan nasrollah said &quot;Al-Nasro Al-Elahy&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The islamic enemies &#8220;Israel&#8221; will be shocked by the result for its aggression on Gaza and Palastinian people, becouse every one care for his lands and fights for it will finaly win the holy true which is the victory as &#8220;The Leader&#8221; Saeed hassan nasrollah said &#8220;Al-Nasro Al-Elahy&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Katica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Lebanon: Solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza”
Response to 6 clichés which are correct:
1. “Israel’s response in Gaza is disproportionate”

Yes it is disproportionate, which also means using violence with intimidation to achieve political goals=terrorism.
By the way, US has complained of assymetrical use of force by the &quot;terrorists&quot; You can&#039;t have it both ways.

2. “But Qassams don’t kill”

They kill accasionally, but not even close how many Palestinians are killed during the same time. While personally I ythink using the Qassams is a political mistake, I assume when you are stripped from all dignity, you want to show that you still are able to do some resistance, and you are still alive.

3) “It’s all because of Israel’s siege. Israel should allow aid into Gaza.”

Well, so you do not consider Gazans as human being deserving all the human rights per Helsinki accord. You think we are good, we send in some food that they do not die on us. You do not notice that you humiliate real people like you, that said, you really do not consider them equal to you and that is where the problems start.

4) “Why didn’t Israel just agree to renew the Gaza truce?”

It is not in his perceived interest. 

5) “But Hamas was elected democratically – why can’t Israel accept it?”

Hamas has a selfimposed cease fire long before election. While I do not agree with the disagreement between Fatah and Hamas, it was orcestrated by Israel and US and other western countries, which put sanction on Hamas and treated them differently then Fatah in hope they will change people&#039;s mind. If Israel and West would accept Hamas and would not have interfered, Hamas today would have been weaker. Actually Israel wants to keep Hamas alive ( they have created them anyway ) so they have excises to keep status quo, which is just fine with Israel.&quot;We have to reduce terror level to acceptable&quot;

6) “Israel is targeting civilians”

Israel does not directly targer civilians, but when in doubt about the target, they do not hessitate to hit it. If it was a wrong target there is the excuse: &quot; We do everything to avoid civilian casulties&quot; and that&#039;s it. Is University a good target? Mosque is naturally a good target, would Israely Temples would be the same? 

There must be a JUST peace, with 1067 borders, no settlement and treating Palestinans as human being, and then all of these clichés would evaporate. It will require of some sacrifice from both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Lebanon: Solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza”<br />
Response to 6 clichés which are correct:<br />
1. “Israel’s response in Gaza is disproportionate”</p>
<p>Yes it is disproportionate, which also means using violence with intimidation to achieve political goals=terrorism.<br />
By the way, US has complained of assymetrical use of force by the &#8220;terrorists&#8221; You can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
<p>2. “But Qassams don’t kill”</p>
<p>They kill accasionally, but not even close how many Palestinians are killed during the same time. While personally I ythink using the Qassams is a political mistake, I assume when you are stripped from all dignity, you want to show that you still are able to do some resistance, and you are still alive.</p>
<p>3) “It’s all because of Israel’s siege. Israel should allow aid into Gaza.”</p>
<p>Well, so you do not consider Gazans as human being deserving all the human rights per Helsinki accord. You think we are good, we send in some food that they do not die on us. You do not notice that you humiliate real people like you, that said, you really do not consider them equal to you and that is where the problems start.</p>
<p>4) “Why didn’t Israel just agree to renew the Gaza truce?”</p>
<p>It is not in his perceived interest. </p>
<p>5) “But Hamas was elected democratically – why can’t Israel accept it?”</p>
<p>Hamas has a selfimposed cease fire long before election. While I do not agree with the disagreement between Fatah and Hamas, it was orcestrated by Israel and US and other western countries, which put sanction on Hamas and treated them differently then Fatah in hope they will change people&#8217;s mind. If Israel and West would accept Hamas and would not have interfered, Hamas today would have been weaker. Actually Israel wants to keep Hamas alive ( they have created them anyway ) so they have excises to keep status quo, which is just fine with Israel.&#8221;We have to reduce terror level to acceptable&#8221;</p>
<p>6) “Israel is targeting civilians”</p>
<p>Israel does not directly targer civilians, but when in doubt about the target, they do not hessitate to hit it. If it was a wrong target there is the excuse: &#8221; We do everything to avoid civilian casulties&#8221; and that&#8217;s it. Is University a good target? Mosque is naturally a good target, would Israely Temples would be the same? </p>
<p>There must be a JUST peace, with 1067 borders, no settlement and treating Palestinans as human being, and then all of these clichés would evaporate. It will require of some sacrifice from both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaza 12-30-08 &#171; Thoughts by Dee - Open your mind, uncover your eyes, use your heart.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaza 12-30-08 &#171; Thoughts by Dee - Open your mind, uncover your eyes, use your heart.</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jack kohn</title>
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		<description>from ynet.com:
 	
Answering Israel’s critics

Six clichés you are likely to hear constantly in the coming days, and why they’re false
Yigal Walt

1) “Israel’s response in Gaza is disproportionate”

 
Since when is war a mathematical equation? The basic objective of any warring party is to inflict maximal damage on the enemy while minimizing its own casualties. Was there anything proportional about the US war in Iraq? Or about Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait for that matter? Or about Russia’s recent war against Georgia? Israel is doing exactly what any other country has done in the past. This is how war works.

 
Would a British citizen complain that “too few” British soldiers are being killed in Iraq? Probably not.

 
And on a more elementary note: Palestinian military inferiority is not an indication of moral superiority. Palestinian insistence on resorting to violence despite this military weakness is an indication of poor judgment perhaps – yet it is by no means an indication of moral virtue. Being militarily weak does not make the Palestinians right.

 
2) “But Qassams don’t kill”

 
Actually, Qassams do kill. Not too often, perhaps, but dozens of Israelis were killed and wounded by rocket fire in recent years. Moreover, at this time the Palestinians are firing long-range Grad rockets with even greater explosive power. Such rockets killed 2 Israelis Monday.

 
Yet beyond the casualty figures, the psychological damage caused as result of living under an ongoing rocket threat is immeasurable. Would anyone in the West agree to have their family live under constant rocket attacks and be regularly woken up by sirens in the middle of the night? Would anyone living under such conditions appreciate being told that “these rockets don’t kill?” Probably not.

 
3) “It’s all because of Israel’s siege. Israel should allow aid into Gaza.”

 
Israel has allowed goods into Gaza regularly throughout the “siege”. Palestinians have been able to complement these deliveries with supplies smuggled through hundreds of tunnels (of course, they would likely be able to bring in even more food had they not used the tunnels to smuggle in missiles.).

 
The day before operation “Cast Lead” got underway, Israel allowed dozens of trucks carrying aid to enter the Strip. On Tuesday, another 100 trucks – double the normal number –are expected to enter Gaza after Defense Minister Barak approved the move.

In short, Israel is allowing aid into the Strip (but guess who has kept Gaza crossings mostly closed thus far? That’s right, Egypt.)

 
4) “Why didn’t Israel just agree to renew the Gaza truce?”

 
First, what truce? Terror groups continued to fire rockets throughout the lull, even if somewhat infrequently, and even if the world didn’t seem to care too much. Nonetheless, Israel clearly declared that it is interested in extending the truce. Our top officials made it clear time and again.

 
Yet Hamas leaders clearly declared that the truce has ended on December 19th, and proceeded to bombard southern Israeli communities with dozens of rockets daily. In short, it is no wonder that even the Egyptians are blaming Hamas this time.

 
5) “But Hamas was elected democratically – why can’t Israel accept it?”

 
Although Hamas won the Palestinian elections, it took Gaza by force, in the process hurling rival Fatah members down to their death from high-rises and shooting others in the knees with the declared aim of maiming them. Some democracy.

 
In any case, Israel in fact “recognizes,” de facto, Hamas’ rule in Gaza, which is precisely why it is justified in attacking the Hamas-ruled Strip, recognizing that it is indeed being governed by a terror entity. Israel did not launch the operation because Hamas is in power there – rather, it did so because Hamas is a terrorist organization that has deliberately targeted civilians with thousands of rockets over the past 8 years.

 
6) “Israel is targeting civilians”

 
You mean to say that “one of the most powerful armies in the world” has been bombing Gaza for days, deploying massive air power, dropping hundreds of bombs, and ultimately killing a grand total of 50 civilians or so in the “most crowded place on earth?”

 
There are two options here: A) The Israeli army is not targeting civilians, or B) Israeli pilots suck. We tend to go with option A.

 
Indeed, Israel goes to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties, by deploying precise ammunition and specialized techniques. In fact, nobody in the world does this better than the Jewish State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from ynet.com:</p>
<p>Answering Israel’s critics</p>
<p>Six clichés you are likely to hear constantly in the coming days, and why they’re false<br />
Yigal Walt</p>
<p>1) “Israel’s response in Gaza is disproportionate”</p>
<p>Since when is war a mathematical equation? The basic objective of any warring party is to inflict maximal damage on the enemy while minimizing its own casualties. Was there anything proportional about the US war in Iraq? Or about Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait for that matter? Or about Russia’s recent war against Georgia? Israel is doing exactly what any other country has done in the past. This is how war works.</p>
<p>Would a British citizen complain that “too few” British soldiers are being killed in Iraq? Probably not.</p>
<p>And on a more elementary note: Palestinian military inferiority is not an indication of moral superiority. Palestinian insistence on resorting to violence despite this military weakness is an indication of poor judgment perhaps – yet it is by no means an indication of moral virtue. Being militarily weak does not make the Palestinians right.</p>
<p>2) “But Qassams don’t kill”</p>
<p>Actually, Qassams do kill. Not too often, perhaps, but dozens of Israelis were killed and wounded by rocket fire in recent years. Moreover, at this time the Palestinians are firing long-range Grad rockets with even greater explosive power. Such rockets killed 2 Israelis Monday.</p>
<p>Yet beyond the casualty figures, the psychological damage caused as result of living under an ongoing rocket threat is immeasurable. Would anyone in the West agree to have their family live under constant rocket attacks and be regularly woken up by sirens in the middle of the night? Would anyone living under such conditions appreciate being told that “these rockets don’t kill?” Probably not.</p>
<p>3) “It’s all because of Israel’s siege. Israel should allow aid into Gaza.”</p>
<p>Israel has allowed goods into Gaza regularly throughout the “siege”. Palestinians have been able to complement these deliveries with supplies smuggled through hundreds of tunnels (of course, they would likely be able to bring in even more food had they not used the tunnels to smuggle in missiles.).</p>
<p>The day before operation “Cast Lead” got underway, Israel allowed dozens of trucks carrying aid to enter the Strip. On Tuesday, another 100 trucks – double the normal number –are expected to enter Gaza after Defense Minister Barak approved the move.</p>
<p>In short, Israel is allowing aid into the Strip (but guess who has kept Gaza crossings mostly closed thus far? That’s right, Egypt.)</p>
<p>4) “Why didn’t Israel just agree to renew the Gaza truce?”</p>
<p>First, what truce? Terror groups continued to fire rockets throughout the lull, even if somewhat infrequently, and even if the world didn’t seem to care too much. Nonetheless, Israel clearly declared that it is interested in extending the truce. Our top officials made it clear time and again.</p>
<p>Yet Hamas leaders clearly declared that the truce has ended on December 19th, and proceeded to bombard southern Israeli communities with dozens of rockets daily. In short, it is no wonder that even the Egyptians are blaming Hamas this time.</p>
<p>5) “But Hamas was elected democratically – why can’t Israel accept it?”</p>
<p>Although Hamas won the Palestinian elections, it took Gaza by force, in the process hurling rival Fatah members down to their death from high-rises and shooting others in the knees with the declared aim of maiming them. Some democracy.</p>
<p>In any case, Israel in fact “recognizes,” de facto, Hamas’ rule in Gaza, which is precisely why it is justified in attacking the Hamas-ruled Strip, recognizing that it is indeed being governed by a terror entity. Israel did not launch the operation because Hamas is in power there – rather, it did so because Hamas is a terrorist organization that has deliberately targeted civilians with thousands of rockets over the past 8 years.</p>
<p>6) “Israel is targeting civilians”</p>
<p>You mean to say that “one of the most powerful armies in the world” has been bombing Gaza for days, deploying massive air power, dropping hundreds of bombs, and ultimately killing a grand total of 50 civilians or so in the “most crowded place on earth?”</p>
<p>There are two options here: A) The Israeli army is not targeting civilians, or B) Israeli pilots suck. We tend to go with option A.</p>
<p>Indeed, Israel goes to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties, by deploying precise ammunition and specialized techniques. In fact, nobody in the world does this better than the Jewish State.</p>
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