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	<title>Comments on: Palestine: &#8220;The Bloodiest Day Since 1967&#8243;</title>
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		<title>By: Manus</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say that Hamas broke the ceasefire is simply an outright lie and a flagrant distortion of the truth. Many months ago there was a debate about the Israeli blockade of Gaza on “Global Voices” and our friends from Israel were nowhere to be seen. 
Israel is a nuclear power and the military super-power in the region. Also, Israel is the 6th undeclared permanent member of the United Nations. The Israeli use of sophisticated weapons against occupied civilian highly populated urban concentrations is nothing but a war crime. After the strangulation of the Palestinian population for many years, and starving them, these glorified fireworks were a scream for help. The cynical Israeli response was to open the crosses for 2 days then unleash these coward barbaric attacks on people that cannot respond with anything but these very inaccurate primitive home-made fire-crackers. Whereas western media reports these events as a response to Palestinian rocket attacks, they fail to highlight the plight of the Palestinian people and represent the sequence of events leading to these desperate rocket attacks. Also, the use of words like “missiles” is not only misleading but seems to me a misrepresentation of the inexistent treat they truly represent. This is propaganda at its best. The situation is created by Israel not just responding to it and if the Israelis wanted peace as they claim the solution is very simple. The destruction of Gaza has nothing to do with Hamas. Israel will accept no authority in the Palestinian territories that it does not ultimately control. Any individual, leader, faction or movement that fails to accede to Israel’s demands or that seeks genuine sovereignty and the equality of all nations in the region; any government or popular movement that demands the applicability of international humanitarian law and of the universal declaration of human rights for its own people will be unacceptable for the Jewish State. It is that simple. This Israeli ethnocratic theocracy with Universal Suffrage will stop at nothing to realise their biblical aspirations of full land judaisation   dreams and the total inhalation of any real Palestinian authority.  The question that remains is what will Israel deem necessary to eradicate a militarily inexistent treat?!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say that Hamas broke the ceasefire is simply an outright lie and a flagrant distortion of the truth. Many months ago there was a debate about the Israeli blockade of Gaza on “Global Voices” and our friends from Israel were nowhere to be seen.<br />
Israel is a nuclear power and the military super-power in the region. Also, Israel is the 6th undeclared permanent member of the United Nations. The Israeli use of sophisticated weapons against occupied civilian highly populated urban concentrations is nothing but a war crime. After the strangulation of the Palestinian population for many years, and starving them, these glorified fireworks were a scream for help. The cynical Israeli response was to open the crosses for 2 days then unleash these coward barbaric attacks on people that cannot respond with anything but these very inaccurate primitive home-made fire-crackers. Whereas western media reports these events as a response to Palestinian rocket attacks, they fail to highlight the plight of the Palestinian people and represent the sequence of events leading to these desperate rocket attacks. Also, the use of words like “missiles” is not only misleading but seems to me a misrepresentation of the inexistent treat they truly represent. This is propaganda at its best. The situation is created by Israel not just responding to it and if the Israelis wanted peace as they claim the solution is very simple. The destruction of Gaza has nothing to do with Hamas. Israel will accept no authority in the Palestinian territories that it does not ultimately control. Any individual, leader, faction or movement that fails to accede to Israel’s demands or that seeks genuine sovereignty and the equality of all nations in the region; any government or popular movement that demands the applicability of international humanitarian law and of the universal declaration of human rights for its own people will be unacceptable for the Jewish State. It is that simple. This Israeli ethnocratic theocracy with Universal Suffrage will stop at nothing to realise their biblical aspirations of full land judaisation   dreams and the total inhalation of any real Palestinian authority.  The question that remains is what will Israel deem necessary to eradicate a militarily inexistent treat?!!</p>
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		<title>By: Manus</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/28/palestine-the-bloodiest-day-since-1967/comment-page-3/#comment-1543297</link>
		<dc:creator>Manus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is rather rich that a Neo-Zionist is calling me arrogant, and a Marxist. The fact stays and remains that the Ideology of “Redeemed” land is so engraved in the ‘Jewish Ideology’ that the feasibility of a Palestinian state is nearly impossible.  Israel has an ideologically motivated pursuit of territorial expansion and the inevitable series of wars resulting from this aim. A number of discrepant versions of Biblical borders of the Land of Israel, which rabbinical authorities interpret as ideally belonging to the Jewish state, are in circulation since the inception of Israel. What we see today is just what Golda Meir and Menuhin Begin promised many decades ago. In other words, Israel aims at imposing hegemony on other Middle Eastern states, by protecting the stability of some Arab regimes and guaranteeing the stability of the Middle East. 

“Machiavelli at least apologised for the methods which he thought necessary in politics. He regretted the necessity of force and fraud and did not call them by any other name. But Plato and More sanctified them, provided that they were used to sustain their own Utopian republics” (by Hugh Trevor-Roper on Sir Thomas More and Utopia).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is rather rich that a Neo-Zionist is calling me arrogant, and a Marxist. The fact stays and remains that the Ideology of “Redeemed” land is so engraved in the ‘Jewish Ideology’ that the feasibility of a Palestinian state is nearly impossible.  Israel has an ideologically motivated pursuit of territorial expansion and the inevitable series of wars resulting from this aim. A number of discrepant versions of Biblical borders of the Land of Israel, which rabbinical authorities interpret as ideally belonging to the Jewish state, are in circulation since the inception of Israel. What we see today is just what Golda Meir and Menuhin Begin promised many decades ago. In other words, Israel aims at imposing hegemony on other Middle Eastern states, by protecting the stability of some Arab regimes and guaranteeing the stability of the Middle East. </p>
<p>“Machiavelli at least apologised for the methods which he thought necessary in politics. He regretted the necessity of force and fraud and did not call them by any other name. But Plato and More sanctified them, provided that they were used to sustain their own Utopian republics” (by Hugh Trevor-Roper on Sir Thomas More and Utopia).</p>
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		<title>By: imus</title>
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		<dc:creator>imus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are trully in self-denial. Me a sophist, thank you for granting me the title as for the propaganda, I am not sure who is making it with this long half-baked rambling of 1970&#039;s Marxist rubbish discourse. You can use your rhetorics at length and eat your heart out for the dismal conditions palestinians found themselves. Your speudo-theoretical twisted knowledge of the political conditions are so laughable and self-boosting that sound like sound bites coming from some arab university lecture halls of propadanga, slander and arrogance. Who is listening? Bye,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are trully in self-denial. Me a sophist, thank you for granting me the title as for the propaganda, I am not sure who is making it with this long half-baked rambling of 1970&#8242;s Marxist rubbish discourse. You can use your rhetorics at length and eat your heart out for the dismal conditions palestinians found themselves. Your speudo-theoretical twisted knowledge of the political conditions are so laughable and self-boosting that sound like sound bites coming from some arab university lecture halls of propadanga, slander and arrogance. Who is listening? Bye,</p>
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		<title>By: Manus_ by J. LOEWENSTEIN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manus_ by J. LOEWENSTEIN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us get one thing perfectly straight. If the wholesale mutilation and degradation of the Gaza Strip is going to continue; if Israel’s will is at one with that of the United States; if the European Union, Russia, the United Nations and all the international legal agencies and organizations spread across the globe are going to continue to sit by like hollow mannequins doing nothing but making repeated “calls” for a “ceasefire” on “both sides”; if the cowardly, obsequious and supine Arab States are going to stand by watching their brethren get slaughtered by the hour while the world’s bullying Superpower eyes them threateningly from Washington lest they say something a little to their disliking; then let us at least tell the truth why this hell on earth is taking place.

The state terror unleashed from the skies and on the ground against the Gaza Strip as we speak has nothing to do with Hamas. It has nothing to do with “Terror”. It has nothing to do with the long-term “security” of the Jewish State or with Hizbullah or Syria or Iran except insofar as it is aggravating the conditions that have led up to this crisis today. It has nothing to do with some conjured-up “war” – a cynical and overused euphemism that amounts to little more the wholesale enslavement of any nation that dares claim its sovereign rights; that dares assert that its resources are its own; that doesn’t want one of the Empire’s obscene military bases sitting on its cherished land. 

This crisis has nothing to do with freedom, democracy, justice or peace. It is not about Mahmoud Zahhar or Khalid Mash’al or Ismail Haniyeh. It is not about Hassan Nasrallah or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. These are all circumstantial players who have gained a role in the current tempest only now that the situation has been allowed for 61 years to develop into the catastrophe that it is today. The Islamist factor has colored and will continue to color the atmosphere of the crisis; it has enlisted the current leaders and mobilized wide sectors of the world’s population. The primary symbols today are Islamic – the mosques, the Qur’an, the references to the Prophet Muhammad and to Jihad. But these symbols could disappear and the impasse would continue. 

There was a time when Fatah and the PFLP held the day; when few Palestinians wanted anything to do with Islamist policies and politics. Such politics have nothing to do with primitive rockets being fired over the border, or smuggling tunnels and black-market weapons; just as Arafat’s Fatah had little to do with stones and suicide bombings. The associations are coincidental; the creations of a given political environment. They are the result of something entirely different than what the lying politicians and their analysts are telling you. They have become part of the landscape of human events in the modern Middle East today; but incidentals wholly as lethal, or as recalcitrant, deadly, angry or incorrigible could just as soon have been in their places.

Strip away the clichés and the vacuous newspeak blaring out across the servile media and its pathetic corps of voluntary state servants in the Western world and what you will find is the naked desire for hegemony; for power over the weak and dominion over the world’s wealth. Worse yet you will find that the selfishness, the hatred and indifference, the racism and bigotry, the egotism and hedonism that we try so hard to cover up with our sophisticated jargon, our refined academic theories and models actually help to guide our basest and ugliest desires. The callousness with which we in indulge in them all are endemic to our very culture; thriving here like flies on a corpse. 

Strip away the current symbols and language of the victims of our selfish and devastating whims and you will find the simple, impassioned and unaffected cries of the downtrodden; of the ‘wretched of the earth’ begging you to cease your cold aggression against their children and their homes; their families and their villages; begging you to leave them alone to have their fish and their bread, their oranges, their olives and their thyme; asking you first politely and then with increasing disbelief why you cannot let them live undisturbed on the land of their ancestors; unexploited, free of the fear of expulsion; of ravishment and devastation; free of permits and roadblocks and checkpoints and crossings; of monstrous concrete walls, guard towers, concrete bunkers, and barbed wire; of tanks and prisons and torture and death. Why is life without these policies and instruments of hell impossible?

The answer is because Israel has no intention of allowing a viable, sovereign Palestinian state on its borders. It had no intention of allowing it in 1948 when it grabbed 24 per cent more land than what it was allotted legally, if unfairly, by UN Resolution 181. It had no intention of allowing it throughout the massacres and ploys of the 1950s. It had no intention of allowing two states when it conquered the remaining 22 per cent of historic Palestine in 1967 and reinterpreted UN Security Council Resolution 248 to its own liking despite the overwhelming international consensus stating that Israel would receive full international recognition within secure and recognized borders if it withdrew from the lands it had only recently occupied. 

It had no intention of acknowledging Palestinian national rights at the United Nations in 1974, when –alone with the United States—it voted against a two-state solution. It had no intention of allowing a comprehensive peace settlement when Egypt stood ready to deliver but received, and obediently accepted, a separate peace exclusive of the rights of Palestinians and the remaining peoples of the region. It had no intention of working toward a just two-state solution in 1978 or 1982 when it invaded, fire-bombed, blasted and bulldozed Beirut so that it might annex the West Bank without hassle. It had no intention of granting a Palestinian state in 1987 when the first Intifada spread across occupied Palestine, into the Diaspora and the into the spirits of the global dispossessed, or when Israel deliberately aided the newly formed Hamas movement so that it might undermine the strength of the more secular-nationalist factions.

Israel had no intention of granting a Palestinian state at Madrid or at Oslo where the PLO was superseded by the quivering, quisling Palestinian Authority, too many of whose cronies grasped at the wealth and prestige it gave them at the expense of their own kin. As Israel beamed into the world’s satellites and microphones its desire for peace and a two-state solution, it more than doubled the number of illegal Jewish settlements on the ground in the West Bank and around East Jerusalem, annexing them as it built and continues to build a superstructure of bypass roads and highways over the remaining, severed cities and villages of earthly Palestine. It has annexed the Jordan valley, the international border of Jordan, expelling any ‘locals’ inhabiting that land. It speaks with a viper’s tongue over the multiple amputee of Palestine whose head shall soon be severed from its body in the name of justice, peace and security. 

Through the home demolitions, the assaults on civil society that attempted to cast Palestinian history and culture into a chasm of oblivion; through the unspeakable destruction of the refugee camp sieges and infrastructure bombardments of the second Intifada, through assassinations and summary executions, past the grandiose farce of disengagement and up to the nullification of free, fair and democratic Palestinian elections Israel has made its view known again and again in the strongest possible language, the language of military might, of threats, intimidation, harassment, defamation and degradation. 

Israel, with the unconditional and approving support of the United States, has made it dramatically clear to the entire world over and over and over again, repeating in action after action that it will accept no viable Palestinian state next to its borders. What will it take for the rest of us to hear? What will it take to end the criminal silence of the ‘international community’? What will it take to see past the lies and indoctrination to what is taking place before us day after day in full view of the eyes of the world? The more horrific the actions on the ground, the more insistent are the words of peace. To listen and watch without hearing or seeing allows the indifference, the ignorance and complicity to continue and deepens with each grave our collective shame.

The destruction of Gaza has nothing to do with Hamas. Israel will accept no authority in the Palestinian territories that it does not ultimately control. Any individual, leader, faction or movement that fails to accede to Israel’s demands or that seeks genuine sovereignty and the equality of all nations in the region; any government or popular movement that demands the applicability of international humanitarian law and of the universal declaration of human rights for its own people will be unacceptable for the Jewish State. Those dreaming of one state must be forced to ask themselves what Israel would do to a population of 4 million Palestinians within its borders when it commits on a daily, if not hourly basis, crimes against their collective humanity while they live alongside its borders? What will suddenly make the raison d’etre, the self-proclaimed purpose of Israel’s reason for being change if the Palestinian territories are annexed to it outright?

The lifeblood of the Palestinian National Movement flows through the streets of Gaza today. Every drop that falls waters the soil of vengeance, bitterness and hatred not only in Palestine but across the Middle East and much of the world. We do have a choice over whether or not this should continue. Now is the time to make it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us get one thing perfectly straight. If the wholesale mutilation and degradation of the Gaza Strip is going to continue; if Israel’s will is at one with that of the United States; if the European Union, Russia, the United Nations and all the international legal agencies and organizations spread across the globe are going to continue to sit by like hollow mannequins doing nothing but making repeated “calls” for a “ceasefire” on “both sides”; if the cowardly, obsequious and supine Arab States are going to stand by watching their brethren get slaughtered by the hour while the world’s bullying Superpower eyes them threateningly from Washington lest they say something a little to their disliking; then let us at least tell the truth why this hell on earth is taking place.</p>
<p>The state terror unleashed from the skies and on the ground against the Gaza Strip as we speak has nothing to do with Hamas. It has nothing to do with “Terror”. It has nothing to do with the long-term “security” of the Jewish State or with Hizbullah or Syria or Iran except insofar as it is aggravating the conditions that have led up to this crisis today. It has nothing to do with some conjured-up “war” – a cynical and overused euphemism that amounts to little more the wholesale enslavement of any nation that dares claim its sovereign rights; that dares assert that its resources are its own; that doesn’t want one of the Empire’s obscene military bases sitting on its cherished land. </p>
<p>This crisis has nothing to do with freedom, democracy, justice or peace. It is not about Mahmoud Zahhar or Khalid Mash’al or Ismail Haniyeh. It is not about Hassan Nasrallah or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. These are all circumstantial players who have gained a role in the current tempest only now that the situation has been allowed for 61 years to develop into the catastrophe that it is today. The Islamist factor has colored and will continue to color the atmosphere of the crisis; it has enlisted the current leaders and mobilized wide sectors of the world’s population. The primary symbols today are Islamic – the mosques, the Qur’an, the references to the Prophet Muhammad and to Jihad. But these symbols could disappear and the impasse would continue. </p>
<p>There was a time when Fatah and the PFLP held the day; when few Palestinians wanted anything to do with Islamist policies and politics. Such politics have nothing to do with primitive rockets being fired over the border, or smuggling tunnels and black-market weapons; just as Arafat’s Fatah had little to do with stones and suicide bombings. The associations are coincidental; the creations of a given political environment. They are the result of something entirely different than what the lying politicians and their analysts are telling you. They have become part of the landscape of human events in the modern Middle East today; but incidentals wholly as lethal, or as recalcitrant, deadly, angry or incorrigible could just as soon have been in their places.</p>
<p>Strip away the clichés and the vacuous newspeak blaring out across the servile media and its pathetic corps of voluntary state servants in the Western world and what you will find is the naked desire for hegemony; for power over the weak and dominion over the world’s wealth. Worse yet you will find that the selfishness, the hatred and indifference, the racism and bigotry, the egotism and hedonism that we try so hard to cover up with our sophisticated jargon, our refined academic theories and models actually help to guide our basest and ugliest desires. The callousness with which we in indulge in them all are endemic to our very culture; thriving here like flies on a corpse. </p>
<p>Strip away the current symbols and language of the victims of our selfish and devastating whims and you will find the simple, impassioned and unaffected cries of the downtrodden; of the ‘wretched of the earth’ begging you to cease your cold aggression against their children and their homes; their families and their villages; begging you to leave them alone to have their fish and their bread, their oranges, their olives and their thyme; asking you first politely and then with increasing disbelief why you cannot let them live undisturbed on the land of their ancestors; unexploited, free of the fear of expulsion; of ravishment and devastation; free of permits and roadblocks and checkpoints and crossings; of monstrous concrete walls, guard towers, concrete bunkers, and barbed wire; of tanks and prisons and torture and death. Why is life without these policies and instruments of hell impossible?</p>
<p>The answer is because Israel has no intention of allowing a viable, sovereign Palestinian state on its borders. It had no intention of allowing it in 1948 when it grabbed 24 per cent more land than what it was allotted legally, if unfairly, by UN Resolution 181. It had no intention of allowing it throughout the massacres and ploys of the 1950s. It had no intention of allowing two states when it conquered the remaining 22 per cent of historic Palestine in 1967 and reinterpreted UN Security Council Resolution 248 to its own liking despite the overwhelming international consensus stating that Israel would receive full international recognition within secure and recognized borders if it withdrew from the lands it had only recently occupied. </p>
<p>It had no intention of acknowledging Palestinian national rights at the United Nations in 1974, when –alone with the United States—it voted against a two-state solution. It had no intention of allowing a comprehensive peace settlement when Egypt stood ready to deliver but received, and obediently accepted, a separate peace exclusive of the rights of Palestinians and the remaining peoples of the region. It had no intention of working toward a just two-state solution in 1978 or 1982 when it invaded, fire-bombed, blasted and bulldozed Beirut so that it might annex the West Bank without hassle. It had no intention of granting a Palestinian state in 1987 when the first Intifada spread across occupied Palestine, into the Diaspora and the into the spirits of the global dispossessed, or when Israel deliberately aided the newly formed Hamas movement so that it might undermine the strength of the more secular-nationalist factions.</p>
<p>Israel had no intention of granting a Palestinian state at Madrid or at Oslo where the PLO was superseded by the quivering, quisling Palestinian Authority, too many of whose cronies grasped at the wealth and prestige it gave them at the expense of their own kin. As Israel beamed into the world’s satellites and microphones its desire for peace and a two-state solution, it more than doubled the number of illegal Jewish settlements on the ground in the West Bank and around East Jerusalem, annexing them as it built and continues to build a superstructure of bypass roads and highways over the remaining, severed cities and villages of earthly Palestine. It has annexed the Jordan valley, the international border of Jordan, expelling any ‘locals’ inhabiting that land. It speaks with a viper’s tongue over the multiple amputee of Palestine whose head shall soon be severed from its body in the name of justice, peace and security. </p>
<p>Through the home demolitions, the assaults on civil society that attempted to cast Palestinian history and culture into a chasm of oblivion; through the unspeakable destruction of the refugee camp sieges and infrastructure bombardments of the second Intifada, through assassinations and summary executions, past the grandiose farce of disengagement and up to the nullification of free, fair and democratic Palestinian elections Israel has made its view known again and again in the strongest possible language, the language of military might, of threats, intimidation, harassment, defamation and degradation. </p>
<p>Israel, with the unconditional and approving support of the United States, has made it dramatically clear to the entire world over and over and over again, repeating in action after action that it will accept no viable Palestinian state next to its borders. What will it take for the rest of us to hear? What will it take to end the criminal silence of the ‘international community’? What will it take to see past the lies and indoctrination to what is taking place before us day after day in full view of the eyes of the world? The more horrific the actions on the ground, the more insistent are the words of peace. To listen and watch without hearing or seeing allows the indifference, the ignorance and complicity to continue and deepens with each grave our collective shame.</p>
<p>The destruction of Gaza has nothing to do with Hamas. Israel will accept no authority in the Palestinian territories that it does not ultimately control. Any individual, leader, faction or movement that fails to accede to Israel’s demands or that seeks genuine sovereignty and the equality of all nations in the region; any government or popular movement that demands the applicability of international humanitarian law and of the universal declaration of human rights for its own people will be unacceptable for the Jewish State. Those dreaming of one state must be forced to ask themselves what Israel would do to a population of 4 million Palestinians within its borders when it commits on a daily, if not hourly basis, crimes against their collective humanity while they live alongside its borders? What will suddenly make the raison d’etre, the self-proclaimed purpose of Israel’s reason for being change if the Palestinian territories are annexed to it outright?</p>
<p>The lifeblood of the Palestinian National Movement flows through the streets of Gaza today. Every drop that falls waters the soil of vengeance, bitterness and hatred not only in Palestine but across the Middle East and much of the world. We do have a choice over whether or not this should continue. Now is the time to make it.</p>
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		<title>By: Manus_ by J. LOEWENSTEIN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manus_ by J. LOEWENSTEIN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel Has No Intention of Granting a Palestinian State 

If Hamas Did Not Exist 

Let us get one thing perfectly straight. If the wholesale mutilation and degradation of the Gaza Strip is going to continue; if Israel’s will is at one with that of the United States; if the European Union, Russia, the United Nations and all the international legal agencies and organizations spread across the globe are going to continue to sit by like hollow mannequins doing nothing but making repeated “calls” for a “ceasefire” on “both sides”; if the cowardly, obsequious and supine Arab States are going to stand by watching their brethren get slaughtered by the hour while the world’s bullying Superpower eyes them threateningly from Washington lest they say something a little to their disliking; then let us at least tell the truth why this hell on earth is taking place.

The state terror unleashed from the skies and on the ground against the Gaza Strip as we speak has nothing to do with Hamas. It has nothing to do with “Terror”. It has nothing to do with the long-term “security” of the Jewish State or with Hizbullah or Syria or Iran except insofar as it is aggravating the conditions that have led up to this crisis today. It has nothing to do with some conjured-up “war” – a cynical and overused euphemism that amounts to little more the wholesale enslavement of any nation that dares claim its sovereign rights; that dares assert that its resources are its own; that doesn’t want one of the Empire’s obscene military bases sitting on its cherished land. 

This crisis has nothing to do with freedom, democracy, justice or peace. It is not about Mahmoud Zahhar or Khalid Mash’al or Ismail Haniyeh. It is not about Hassan Nasrallah or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. These are all circumstantial players who have gained a role in the current tempest only now that the situation has been allowed for 61 years to develop into the catastrophe that it is today. The Islamist factor has colored and will continue to color the atmosphere of the crisis; it has enlisted the current leaders and mobilized wide sectors of the world’s population. The primary symbols today are Islamic – the mosques, the Qur’an, the references to the Prophet Muhammad and to Jihad. But these symbols could disappear and the impasse would continue. 

There was a time when Fatah and the PFLP held the day; when few Palestinians wanted anything to do with Islamist policies and politics. Such politics have nothing to do with primitive rockets being fired over the border, or smuggling tunnels and black-market weapons; just as Arafat’s Fatah had little to do with stones and suicide bombings. The associations are coincidental; the creations of a given political environment. They are the result of something entirely different than what the lying politicians and their analysts are telling you. They have become part of the landscape of human events in the modern Middle East today; but incidentals wholly as lethal, or as recalcitrant, deadly, angry or incorrigible could just as soon have been in their places.

Strip away the clichés and the vacuous newspeak blaring out across the servile media and its pathetic corps of voluntary state servants in the Western world and what you will find is the naked desire for hegemony; for power over the weak and dominion over the world’s wealth. Worse yet you will find that the selfishness, the hatred and indifference, the racism and bigotry, the egotism and hedonism that we try so hard to cover up with our sophisticated jargon, our refined academic theories and models actually help to guide our basest and ugliest desires. The callousness with which we in indulge in them all are endemic to our very culture; thriving here like flies on a corpse. 

Strip away the current symbols and language of the victims of our selfish and devastating whims and you will find the simple, impassioned and unaffected cries of the downtrodden; of the ‘wretched of the earth’ begging you to cease your cold aggression against their children and their homes; their families and their villages; begging you to leave them alone to have their fish and their bread, their oranges, their olives and their thyme; asking you first politely and then with increasing disbelief why you cannot let them live undisturbed on the land of their ancestors; unexploited, free of the fear of expulsion; of ravishment and devastation; free of permits and roadblocks and checkpoints and crossings; of monstrous concrete walls, guard towers, concrete bunkers, and barbed wire; of tanks and prisons and torture and death. Why is life without these policies and instruments of hell impossible?

The answer is because Israel has no intention of allowing a viable, sovereign Palestinian state on its borders. It had no intention of allowing it in 1948 when it grabbed 24 per cent more land than what it was allotted legally, if unfairly, by UN Resolution 181. It had no intention of allowing it throughout the massacres and ploys of the 1950s. It had no intention of allowing two states when it conquered the remaining 22 per cent of historic Palestine in 1967 and reinterpreted UN Security Council Resolution 248 to its own liking despite the overwhelming international consensus stating that Israel would receive full international recognition within secure and recognized borders if it withdrew from the lands it had only recently occupied. 

It had no intention of acknowledging Palestinian national rights at the United Nations in 1974, when –alone with the United States—it voted against a two-state solution. It had no intention of allowing a comprehensive peace settlement when Egypt stood ready to deliver but received, and obediently accepted, a separate peace exclusive of the rights of Palestinians and the remaining peoples of the region. It had no intention of working toward a just two-state solution in 1978 or 1982 when it invaded, fire-bombed, blasted and bulldozed Beirut so that it might annex the West Bank without hassle. It had no intention of granting a Palestinian state in 1987 when the first Intifada spread across occupied Palestine, into the Diaspora and the into the spirits of the global dispossessed, or when Israel deliberately aided the newly formed Hamas movement so that it might undermine the strength of the more secular-nationalist factions.

Israel had no intention of granting a Palestinian state at Madrid or at Oslo where the PLO was superseded by the quivering, quisling Palestinian Authority, too many of whose cronies grasped at the wealth and prestige it gave them at the expense of their own kin. As Israel beamed into the world’s satellites and microphones its desire for peace and a two-state solution, it more than doubled the number of illegal Jewish settlements on the ground in the West Bank and around East Jerusalem, annexing them as it built and continues to build a superstructure of bypass roads and highways over the remaining, severed cities and villages of earthly Palestine. It has annexed the Jordan valley, the international border of Jordan, expelling any ‘locals’ inhabiting that land. It speaks with a viper’s tongue over the multiple amputee of Palestine whose head shall soon be severed from its body in the name of justice, peace and security. 

Through the home demolitions, the assaults on civil society that attempted to cast Palestinian history and culture into a chasm of oblivion; through the unspeakable destruction of the refugee camp sieges and infrastructure bombardments of the second Intifada, through assassinations and summary executions, past the grandiose farce of disengagement and up to the nullification of free, fair and democratic Palestinian elections Israel has made its view known again and again in the strongest possible language, the language of military might, of threats, intimidation, harassment, defamation and degradation. 

Israel, with the unconditional and approving support of the United States, has made it dramatically clear to the entire world over and over and over again, repeating in action after action that it will accept no viable Palestinian state next to its borders. What will it take for the rest of us to hear? What will it take to end the criminal silence of the ‘international community’? What will it take to see past the lies and indoctrination to what is taking place before us day after day in full view of the eyes of the world? The more horrific the actions on the ground, the more insistent are the words of peace. To listen and watch without hearing or seeing allows the indifference, the ignorance and complicity to continue and deepens with each grave our collective shame.

The destruction of Gaza has nothing to do with Hamas. Israel will accept no authority in the Palestinian territories that it does not ultimately control. Any individual, leader, faction or movement that fails to accede to Israel’s demands or that seeks genuine sovereignty and the equality of all nations in the region; any government or popular movement that demands the applicability of international humanitarian law and of the universal declaration of human rights for its own people will be unacceptable for the Jewish State. Those dreaming of one state must be forced to ask themselves what Israel would do to a population of 4 million Palestinians within its borders when it commits on a daily, if not hourly basis, crimes against their collective humanity while they live alongside its borders? What will suddenly make the raison d’etre, the self-proclaimed purpose of Israel’s reason for being change if the Palestinian territories are annexed to it outright?

The lifeblood of the Palestinian National Movement flows through the streets of Gaza today. Every drop that falls waters the soil of vengeance, bitterness and hatred not only in Palestine but across the Middle East and much of the world. We do have a choice over whether or not this should continue. Now is the time to make it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel Has No Intention of Granting a Palestinian State </p>
<p>If Hamas Did Not Exist </p>
<p>Let us get one thing perfectly straight. If the wholesale mutilation and degradation of the Gaza Strip is going to continue; if Israel’s will is at one with that of the United States; if the European Union, Russia, the United Nations and all the international legal agencies and organizations spread across the globe are going to continue to sit by like hollow mannequins doing nothing but making repeated “calls” for a “ceasefire” on “both sides”; if the cowardly, obsequious and supine Arab States are going to stand by watching their brethren get slaughtered by the hour while the world’s bullying Superpower eyes them threateningly from Washington lest they say something a little to their disliking; then let us at least tell the truth why this hell on earth is taking place.</p>
<p>The state terror unleashed from the skies and on the ground against the Gaza Strip as we speak has nothing to do with Hamas. It has nothing to do with “Terror”. It has nothing to do with the long-term “security” of the Jewish State or with Hizbullah or Syria or Iran except insofar as it is aggravating the conditions that have led up to this crisis today. It has nothing to do with some conjured-up “war” – a cynical and overused euphemism that amounts to little more the wholesale enslavement of any nation that dares claim its sovereign rights; that dares assert that its resources are its own; that doesn’t want one of the Empire’s obscene military bases sitting on its cherished land. </p>
<p>This crisis has nothing to do with freedom, democracy, justice or peace. It is not about Mahmoud Zahhar or Khalid Mash’al or Ismail Haniyeh. It is not about Hassan Nasrallah or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. These are all circumstantial players who have gained a role in the current tempest only now that the situation has been allowed for 61 years to develop into the catastrophe that it is today. The Islamist factor has colored and will continue to color the atmosphere of the crisis; it has enlisted the current leaders and mobilized wide sectors of the world’s population. The primary symbols today are Islamic – the mosques, the Qur’an, the references to the Prophet Muhammad and to Jihad. But these symbols could disappear and the impasse would continue. </p>
<p>There was a time when Fatah and the PFLP held the day; when few Palestinians wanted anything to do with Islamist policies and politics. Such politics have nothing to do with primitive rockets being fired over the border, or smuggling tunnels and black-market weapons; just as Arafat’s Fatah had little to do with stones and suicide bombings. The associations are coincidental; the creations of a given political environment. They are the result of something entirely different than what the lying politicians and their analysts are telling you. They have become part of the landscape of human events in the modern Middle East today; but incidentals wholly as lethal, or as recalcitrant, deadly, angry or incorrigible could just as soon have been in their places.</p>
<p>Strip away the clichés and the vacuous newspeak blaring out across the servile media and its pathetic corps of voluntary state servants in the Western world and what you will find is the naked desire for hegemony; for power over the weak and dominion over the world’s wealth. Worse yet you will find that the selfishness, the hatred and indifference, the racism and bigotry, the egotism and hedonism that we try so hard to cover up with our sophisticated jargon, our refined academic theories and models actually help to guide our basest and ugliest desires. The callousness with which we in indulge in them all are endemic to our very culture; thriving here like flies on a corpse. </p>
<p>Strip away the current symbols and language of the victims of our selfish and devastating whims and you will find the simple, impassioned and unaffected cries of the downtrodden; of the ‘wretched of the earth’ begging you to cease your cold aggression against their children and their homes; their families and their villages; begging you to leave them alone to have their fish and their bread, their oranges, their olives and their thyme; asking you first politely and then with increasing disbelief why you cannot let them live undisturbed on the land of their ancestors; unexploited, free of the fear of expulsion; of ravishment and devastation; free of permits and roadblocks and checkpoints and crossings; of monstrous concrete walls, guard towers, concrete bunkers, and barbed wire; of tanks and prisons and torture and death. Why is life without these policies and instruments of hell impossible?</p>
<p>The answer is because Israel has no intention of allowing a viable, sovereign Palestinian state on its borders. It had no intention of allowing it in 1948 when it grabbed 24 per cent more land than what it was allotted legally, if unfairly, by UN Resolution 181. It had no intention of allowing it throughout the massacres and ploys of the 1950s. It had no intention of allowing two states when it conquered the remaining 22 per cent of historic Palestine in 1967 and reinterpreted UN Security Council Resolution 248 to its own liking despite the overwhelming international consensus stating that Israel would receive full international recognition within secure and recognized borders if it withdrew from the lands it had only recently occupied. </p>
<p>It had no intention of acknowledging Palestinian national rights at the United Nations in 1974, when –alone with the United States—it voted against a two-state solution. It had no intention of allowing a comprehensive peace settlement when Egypt stood ready to deliver but received, and obediently accepted, a separate peace exclusive of the rights of Palestinians and the remaining peoples of the region. It had no intention of working toward a just two-state solution in 1978 or 1982 when it invaded, fire-bombed, blasted and bulldozed Beirut so that it might annex the West Bank without hassle. It had no intention of granting a Palestinian state in 1987 when the first Intifada spread across occupied Palestine, into the Diaspora and the into the spirits of the global dispossessed, or when Israel deliberately aided the newly formed Hamas movement so that it might undermine the strength of the more secular-nationalist factions.</p>
<p>Israel had no intention of granting a Palestinian state at Madrid or at Oslo where the PLO was superseded by the quivering, quisling Palestinian Authority, too many of whose cronies grasped at the wealth and prestige it gave them at the expense of their own kin. As Israel beamed into the world’s satellites and microphones its desire for peace and a two-state solution, it more than doubled the number of illegal Jewish settlements on the ground in the West Bank and around East Jerusalem, annexing them as it built and continues to build a superstructure of bypass roads and highways over the remaining, severed cities and villages of earthly Palestine. It has annexed the Jordan valley, the international border of Jordan, expelling any ‘locals’ inhabiting that land. It speaks with a viper’s tongue over the multiple amputee of Palestine whose head shall soon be severed from its body in the name of justice, peace and security. </p>
<p>Through the home demolitions, the assaults on civil society that attempted to cast Palestinian history and culture into a chasm of oblivion; through the unspeakable destruction of the refugee camp sieges and infrastructure bombardments of the second Intifada, through assassinations and summary executions, past the grandiose farce of disengagement and up to the nullification of free, fair and democratic Palestinian elections Israel has made its view known again and again in the strongest possible language, the language of military might, of threats, intimidation, harassment, defamation and degradation. </p>
<p>Israel, with the unconditional and approving support of the United States, has made it dramatically clear to the entire world over and over and over again, repeating in action after action that it will accept no viable Palestinian state next to its borders. What will it take for the rest of us to hear? What will it take to end the criminal silence of the ‘international community’? What will it take to see past the lies and indoctrination to what is taking place before us day after day in full view of the eyes of the world? The more horrific the actions on the ground, the more insistent are the words of peace. To listen and watch without hearing or seeing allows the indifference, the ignorance and complicity to continue and deepens with each grave our collective shame.</p>
<p>The destruction of Gaza has nothing to do with Hamas. Israel will accept no authority in the Palestinian territories that it does not ultimately control. Any individual, leader, faction or movement that fails to accede to Israel’s demands or that seeks genuine sovereignty and the equality of all nations in the region; any government or popular movement that demands the applicability of international humanitarian law and of the universal declaration of human rights for its own people will be unacceptable for the Jewish State. Those dreaming of one state must be forced to ask themselves what Israel would do to a population of 4 million Palestinians within its borders when it commits on a daily, if not hourly basis, crimes against their collective humanity while they live alongside its borders? What will suddenly make the raison d’etre, the self-proclaimed purpose of Israel’s reason for being change if the Palestinian territories are annexed to it outright?</p>
<p>The lifeblood of the Palestinian National Movement flows through the streets of Gaza today. Every drop that falls waters the soil of vengeance, bitterness and hatred not only in Palestine but across the Middle East and much of the world. We do have a choice over whether or not this should continue. Now is the time to make it.</p>
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		<title>By: Manus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 19:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Imus
Cease the sophism, the rhetoric and the propaganda as I have a lot of sympathy for your desperate moral predicament that is if a Neo-Zionist has one. This type of discourse will maybe succeed if addressed to the “American Common man” with the intellectual ability of an amoeba, or a Foxnews television viewer. “I write here what I think is true, for the stories of the Greeks are numerous and in my opinion ridiculous”
(Hecateus of Miletus, as quoted by Herodotus).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Imus<br />
Cease the sophism, the rhetoric and the propaganda as I have a lot of sympathy for your desperate moral predicament that is if a Neo-Zionist has one. This type of discourse will maybe succeed if addressed to the “American Common man” with the intellectual ability of an amoeba, or a Foxnews television viewer. “I write here what I think is true, for the stories of the Greeks are numerous and in my opinion ridiculous”<br />
(Hecateus of Miletus, as quoted by Herodotus).</p>
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		<title>By: Imus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..What Israel is engaged in is not even war. For a war, in the connotation of the term that is necessary, including necessary for propaganda, you need two sides comparable in power...&quot; 

When was this criteria set? Comparable capabilities. You want eveything to be fair and equitable. You sound like an old Marxist whose ideology has been swept away. Equitable wars!! that&#039;s a fairy tale nice way of making war.  Throughout history, no war occured because of equal destroying capabilities (i.e., cold war) between the super powers. Instead they took their wars elsewhere.  Wars occur because there is no equitable capabilities. One party feels that it has the advantage. Also from your premise, the six days war was not equitable. I do not know about you, but it was the Arabs leaders (nasser and Assad) who really thought they had the advantages by wiping out Israel and sending the jews to the sea. Whow! I happen to think that your are living in the bubble of denial. Your premise of equitable capabilities is a way of denying the facts. However I must say that some wars were won by the weaker side (i.e., Israel (David) vs the phillistines (Goliath); Henry V of England win over the French in the battle of Agincourt; Vietnam, Cuba, ...). I am afraid that in this case Hamas is not going to win, sometimes the weak win other times they do not. Perhaps they fighting capabilities are on par with those of the Saddam Iraqi military quazi-military capabilities amd might. Or perhaps God (allah)has forsaken Hamas. Allah comes in handy in victories, but not in defeats. So you can bring other reasons forwards in order to dodge the issue. From your premise, one is led to beleive that the 1991 golf war was not equitable war. Sorry but Hamas will not win this war, if you do not want to call it a war, I am afraid to say it is Hamas who labeled it a war of liberation. Perhaps you should talk to them about it.

I might even go further to suggest that if it not a conventional war (although Hamas call it that way) I might concede to say that perhaps Hamas is like an organized crime syndicate and the police is Israel&#039;s IDF that stricks at it in order to neutralize it. 

&quot;...It is the Palestinians who have had, and now have, a moral right to their terrorism, their justified self-defence against neo-Zionism, in all of historic Palestine...&quot;

I cannot beleive it. Israel should lose and suffer all the deaths it deserves. This will not work my friend, never in your wildest  This is not a bargain.  If you want to bargain you need some chips on the table and you have none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..What Israel is engaged in is not even war. For a war, in the connotation of the term that is necessary, including necessary for propaganda, you need two sides comparable in power&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>When was this criteria set? Comparable capabilities. You want eveything to be fair and equitable. You sound like an old Marxist whose ideology has been swept away. Equitable wars!! that&#8217;s a fairy tale nice way of making war.  Throughout history, no war occured because of equal destroying capabilities (i.e., cold war) between the super powers. Instead they took their wars elsewhere.  Wars occur because there is no equitable capabilities. One party feels that it has the advantage. Also from your premise, the six days war was not equitable. I do not know about you, but it was the Arabs leaders (nasser and Assad) who really thought they had the advantages by wiping out Israel and sending the jews to the sea. Whow! I happen to think that your are living in the bubble of denial. Your premise of equitable capabilities is a way of denying the facts. However I must say that some wars were won by the weaker side (i.e., Israel (David) vs the phillistines (Goliath); Henry V of England win over the French in the battle of Agincourt; Vietnam, Cuba, &#8230;). I am afraid that in this case Hamas is not going to win, sometimes the weak win other times they do not. Perhaps they fighting capabilities are on par with those of the Saddam Iraqi military quazi-military capabilities amd might. Or perhaps God (allah)has forsaken Hamas. Allah comes in handy in victories, but not in defeats. So you can bring other reasons forwards in order to dodge the issue. From your premise, one is led to beleive that the 1991 golf war was not equitable war. Sorry but Hamas will not win this war, if you do not want to call it a war, I am afraid to say it is Hamas who labeled it a war of liberation. Perhaps you should talk to them about it.</p>
<p>I might even go further to suggest that if it not a conventional war (although Hamas call it that way) I might concede to say that perhaps Hamas is like an organized crime syndicate and the police is Israel&#8217;s IDF that stricks at it in order to neutralize it. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;It is the Palestinians who have had, and now have, a moral right to their terrorism, their justified self-defence against neo-Zionism, in all of historic Palestine&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I cannot beleive it. Israel should lose and suffer all the deaths it deserves. This will not work my friend, never in your wildest  This is not a bargain.  If you want to bargain you need some chips on the table and you have none.</p>
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		<title>By: Manus _ By TED HONDERICH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manus _ By TED HONDERICH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@to our friends from Israel
It is said truth is the first casualty of war. It is rather the first casualty of inhumanity. You have to lie, maybe to yourself as well, when your are engaged in inhumanity. You wouldn&#039;t have to lie about a war that really was right.

By Zionism I mean the founding and actually necessary defence of the state of Israel in roughly its 1948 boundaries. It was justified by the Holocaust in the past and is justified by the existence of a Jewish homeland now. By neo-Zionism I mean the taking from the suffering Palestinians, the only indigenous people of historic Palestine, at least their autonomy in the last fifth of their homeland.

A decent humanity, the Principle of Humanity, ultimately justifies Zionism. It condemns neo-Zionism absolutely. There aren&#039;t two sides to the story of a real rape.

The neo-Zionist government of Israel says that in attacking the democracy of Gaza it is doing no more than engaging in self-defence. It is saving lives of its own citizens from rocket attacks. 

That is not its aim. If that were its aim, Israel would achieve it immediately by embracing the solution to the Palestinian problem, in no way complex. It would give up neo-Zionism. It would withdraw, without negotiation, from the remaining homeland of another people. 

The preponderant aim of neo-Zionism in Gaza now is neo-Zionism. It is that vicious selfishness. It is that semitism on a level with anti-semitism and now beginning to be comparable in effects. The state of Israel has no moral right to pursue its preponderant aim in Gaza. 

That is not quite all. In its neo-Zionism, Israel has no moral right to defend itself against the rockets used against it. Whatever the instincts of human nature, it has no more right to defend itself against them than Hitler Germany had a right to defend itself and its death camps.

What Israel is engaged in is not even war. For a war, in the connotation of the term that is necessary, including necessary for propaganda, you need two sides comparable in power. What is happening in Gaza now is something else.

It is the Palestinians who have had, and now have, a moral right to their terrorism, their justified self-defence against neo-Zionism, in all of historic Palestine. The argument for that proposition, partly on the basis of the Principle of Humanity, is now easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@to our friends from Israel<br />
It is said truth is the first casualty of war. It is rather the first casualty of inhumanity. You have to lie, maybe to yourself as well, when your are engaged in inhumanity. You wouldn&#8217;t have to lie about a war that really was right.</p>
<p>By Zionism I mean the founding and actually necessary defence of the state of Israel in roughly its 1948 boundaries. It was justified by the Holocaust in the past and is justified by the existence of a Jewish homeland now. By neo-Zionism I mean the taking from the suffering Palestinians, the only indigenous people of historic Palestine, at least their autonomy in the last fifth of their homeland.</p>
<p>A decent humanity, the Principle of Humanity, ultimately justifies Zionism. It condemns neo-Zionism absolutely. There aren&#8217;t two sides to the story of a real rape.</p>
<p>The neo-Zionist government of Israel says that in attacking the democracy of Gaza it is doing no more than engaging in self-defence. It is saving lives of its own citizens from rocket attacks. </p>
<p>That is not its aim. If that were its aim, Israel would achieve it immediately by embracing the solution to the Palestinian problem, in no way complex. It would give up neo-Zionism. It would withdraw, without negotiation, from the remaining homeland of another people. </p>
<p>The preponderant aim of neo-Zionism in Gaza now is neo-Zionism. It is that vicious selfishness. It is that semitism on a level with anti-semitism and now beginning to be comparable in effects. The state of Israel has no moral right to pursue its preponderant aim in Gaza. </p>
<p>That is not quite all. In its neo-Zionism, Israel has no moral right to defend itself against the rockets used against it. Whatever the instincts of human nature, it has no more right to defend itself against them than Hitler Germany had a right to defend itself and its death camps.</p>
<p>What Israel is engaged in is not even war. For a war, in the connotation of the term that is necessary, including necessary for propaganda, you need two sides comparable in power. What is happening in Gaza now is something else.</p>
<p>It is the Palestinians who have had, and now have, a moral right to their terrorism, their justified self-defence against neo-Zionism, in all of historic Palestine. The argument for that proposition, partly on the basis of the Principle of Humanity, is now easier.</p>
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		<title>By: civax</title>
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		<dc:creator>civax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Manus

Ok, now that you made your claims that Israel is aspiring to return to all the land the Israeli kingdom had in bible time, I know who I;m speaking with.

I&#039;m trying to be reasonable with you but turns out you are so full of misconceptions and lies that I&#039;m not sure a few comments on a website is what will change your mind.

The real information is all around you and still you refuse to see it. I&#039;m not encouraged to have a sterile discussion on such terms. I don&#039;t mind arguing on facts and interpretations (hell, that&#039;s all we bloggers do anyway), but the imaginary Israel you hold in your head is not the real country I come from or can speak for. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Manus</p>
<p>Ok, now that you made your claims that Israel is aspiring to return to all the land the Israeli kingdom had in bible time, I know who I;m speaking with.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to be reasonable with you but turns out you are so full of misconceptions and lies that I&#8217;m not sure a few comments on a website is what will change your mind.</p>
<p>The real information is all around you and still you refuse to see it. I&#8217;m not encouraged to have a sterile discussion on such terms. I don&#8217;t mind arguing on facts and interpretations (hell, that&#8217;s all we bloggers do anyway), but the imaginary Israel you hold in your head is not the real country I come from or can speak for. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Imus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot believe this piece of news.  

http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD216408


Possible responses from the genocide calling crowd:

1. PLO is a traitor. The PA government should die.
2. Conspiracy theory: Zionist mis-information and propaganda.
3. Mossad infiltration and use of hallucigenic drugs to make PA say what Zionists want the world to hear.
4. Zionist take over of the internet.
5. All PA officials have doubles. The statements come from the doubles not the real ones.
6. The real one have join the fight to liberate Gaza</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot believe this piece of news.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD216408" rel="nofollow">http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD216408</a></p>
<p>Possible responses from the genocide calling crowd:</p>
<p>1. PLO is a traitor. The PA government should die.<br />
2. Conspiracy theory: Zionist mis-information and propaganda.<br />
3. Mossad infiltration and use of hallucigenic drugs to make PA say what Zionists want the world to hear.<br />
4. Zionist take over of the internet.<br />
5. All PA officials have doubles. The statements come from the doubles not the real ones.<br />
6. The real one have join the fight to liberate Gaza</p>
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		<title>By: Enver Hodja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enver Hodja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I forgot the &quot;NOT&quot; in the last quote.
The quote should read:

&quot;You should NOT roar when you&#039;re full of bull&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I forgot the &#8220;NOT&#8221; in the last quote.<br />
The quote should read:</p>
<p>&#8220;You should NOT roar when you&#8217;re full of bull&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Enver Hodja</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/28/palestine-the-bloodiest-day-since-1967/comment-page-2/#comment-1542615</link>
		<dc:creator>Enver Hodja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Genocide?? If there is genocide in Gaza, Israel should have perpetrated it sometimes ago, by wiping Gaza off the map. Instead IDF are targeting specific sites including homes of Hamas official and Immamo-fascists. Israel is not arrogant and a loud mouth as some leaders who proclaim they can wipe out Israel. War is war and it is not pretty. The pocker game has just started. Israel is just entered with full pledge weapons of mass destruction.

You call what they are doing now genocide. You have not seen yet the capabilities. I think that Hamas should not have boosted their rhetorics on destroying Israel. If one asks for war, then one needs to smell the pizza of war instead of cat and mouse firing of match stick rocket and Quassams. If you cannot wage war to win, then stop the silly game of war. Don&#039;t poke a viper and assume it will not strike. And don&#039;t use the usual victimization discourse. No one is buying it, (I mean the international community). The Arab leaders don&#039;t buy it and many people in the Arab world dont buy it either.  

I will tell you a story. 
There was once a mightly lion who one day tracked, ambushed, killed and eat a very large bull. After eating the bull, the lion started to roar very loud. His pack asked him to keep quiet and take a nap. But he was not ready to rest as he wanted to send the message of who the lion king really was. He roared and roared very loud.
It just happened that a safari hunter with rifle was passing by and heard the loud roaring. He went to the lion and shot him dead. 

It goes to show that: &quot;You should roar when you&#039;re full of bull.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genocide?? If there is genocide in Gaza, Israel should have perpetrated it sometimes ago, by wiping Gaza off the map. Instead IDF are targeting specific sites including homes of Hamas official and Immamo-fascists. Israel is not arrogant and a loud mouth as some leaders who proclaim they can wipe out Israel. War is war and it is not pretty. The pocker game has just started. Israel is just entered with full pledge weapons of mass destruction.</p>
<p>You call what they are doing now genocide. You have not seen yet the capabilities. I think that Hamas should not have boosted their rhetorics on destroying Israel. If one asks for war, then one needs to smell the pizza of war instead of cat and mouse firing of match stick rocket and Quassams. If you cannot wage war to win, then stop the silly game of war. Don&#8217;t poke a viper and assume it will not strike. And don&#8217;t use the usual victimization discourse. No one is buying it, (I mean the international community). The Arab leaders don&#8217;t buy it and many people in the Arab world dont buy it either.  </p>
<p>I will tell you a story.<br />
There was once a mightly lion who one day tracked, ambushed, killed and eat a very large bull. After eating the bull, the lion started to roar very loud. His pack asked him to keep quiet and take a nap. But he was not ready to rest as he wanted to send the message of who the lion king really was. He roared and roared very loud.<br />
It just happened that a safari hunter with rifle was passing by and heard the loud roaring. He went to the lion and shot him dead. </p>
<p>It goes to show that: &#8220;You should roar when you&#8217;re full of bull.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Enver Hodja</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/28/palestine-the-bloodiest-day-since-1967/comment-page-2/#comment-1542602</link>
		<dc:creator>Enver Hodja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Albanian living in the US , I say Gaza is getting  what its political figures were asked for. Once before the Israeli disangagement  we used to hear &quot;No peace Unless Israel leaves Gaza&quot;,and there was no peace, but silly cat amd mouse attacks by Quassams and rockets. Enough is enough Israel said.  If war is what you want, then war will come to you. The target is to destroy Hamas infrastructure, including officials whose whole goal is to wage war. That&#039;s OK, war is war. Israel has join the poker game, make your bet Hamas or get out of game room. This is toy war my friends. Israel means business now. 

To say that it is genocide is ridiculeous. Israel has the capabilities to wipe out Gaza out of the map, that&#039;s what genocide is, however Israeli politicians are not arrogant to say it out loud. I think they should say it because they CAN mean it, not like some islamo-fascists leaders who would rather bost their naive propaganda of destruction of zionist state with their self-serving righteousness that does not measure hell of a lot of beans.

Once there was a prime lion who eat a large bull, and he kept roaring. His pack told him to be quiet and to take a rest. He kept on roaring because of the large prey he captured and eat. It was indeed a large bull. However there was a hunter who happen to pass by and heard the loud roaring. He went and shot the lion dead.  It goes to show, &quot;don&#039;t roar when you full of bull&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Albanian living in the US , I say Gaza is getting  what its political figures were asked for. Once before the Israeli disangagement  we used to hear &#8220;No peace Unless Israel leaves Gaza&#8221;,and there was no peace, but silly cat amd mouse attacks by Quassams and rockets. Enough is enough Israel said.  If war is what you want, then war will come to you. The target is to destroy Hamas infrastructure, including officials whose whole goal is to wage war. That&#8217;s OK, war is war. Israel has join the poker game, make your bet Hamas or get out of game room. This is toy war my friends. Israel means business now. </p>
<p>To say that it is genocide is ridiculeous. Israel has the capabilities to wipe out Gaza out of the map, that&#8217;s what genocide is, however Israeli politicians are not arrogant to say it out loud. I think they should say it because they CAN mean it, not like some islamo-fascists leaders who would rather bost their naive propaganda of destruction of zionist state with their self-serving righteousness that does not measure hell of a lot of beans.</p>
<p>Once there was a prime lion who eat a large bull, and he kept roaring. His pack told him to be quiet and to take a rest. He kept on roaring because of the large prey he captured and eat. It was indeed a large bull. However there was a hunter who happen to pass by and heard the loud roaring. He went and shot the lion dead.  It goes to show, &#8220;don&#8217;t roar when you full of bull&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Manus</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/28/palestine-the-bloodiest-day-since-1967/comment-page-2/#comment-1542526</link>
		<dc:creator>Manus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a war this is genocide. For a start you need two states to have a war. In this instance we have a nuclear state with the most sophisticated weapons in the world and groups of civilians that Israel is illegally occupying. The Palestinian police are still civilians under international law as the state of Palestine does not exist and does not have armed forces. Also, there is a myth that in Gaza there are areas where the Hamas guerrilla could launch attacks without being amidst the rest of the population. The fact  are that it is the most densely populated open air prison in the world and there are nowhere where the legitimately elected authority in Gaza can have police station but amidst  highly populated areas.  The reason for the conflict is not the launching of rockets by Hamas (as the launching of rockets is a consequence of the Israeli strangulation of the Palestinian people), but the expansionist aspirations of the Israeli fanatical religious right run by Rabbis and in a fragile coalition with the Zionist left. Fred, please stop that nonsense about the Palestinian love dying as it makes you people even sicker than you really are. As far as evicting all Arabs from the Arab peninsula and ethnically cleans the area that is your ultimate goal, however you will never succeed to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a war this is genocide. For a start you need two states to have a war. In this instance we have a nuclear state with the most sophisticated weapons in the world and groups of civilians that Israel is illegally occupying. The Palestinian police are still civilians under international law as the state of Palestine does not exist and does not have armed forces. Also, there is a myth that in Gaza there are areas where the Hamas guerrilla could launch attacks without being amidst the rest of the population. The fact  are that it is the most densely populated open air prison in the world and there are nowhere where the legitimately elected authority in Gaza can have police station but amidst  highly populated areas.  The reason for the conflict is not the launching of rockets by Hamas (as the launching of rockets is a consequence of the Israeli strangulation of the Palestinian people), but the expansionist aspirations of the Israeli fanatical religious right run by Rabbis and in a fragile coalition with the Zionist left. Fred, please stop that nonsense about the Palestinian love dying as it makes you people even sicker than you really are. As far as evicting all Arabs from the Arab peninsula and ethnically cleans the area that is your ultimate goal, however you will never succeed to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/28/palestine-the-bloodiest-day-since-1967/comment-page-2/#comment-1542494</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hamas decided to heat up the conflict. Maybe they thought Israel would ignore the increase in the number of rockets, and the attempt to tunnel under the wall.  If so, Hamas was wrong.

Most reports indicate that the vast bulk of the hundreds dead are Hamas security people.  So Israel is aiming pretty well.  Hamas rockets aren&#039;t aimed at all.

I think more people will die before this is over.  Hamas says they love death; They&#039;ll be getting a bunch whether they love it or not.

War is a terrible thing, and in all wars, civilians die as well as armed men.  It would no doubt help if Hamas military would agree to wear uniforms and not launch from civilian areas: A lot of Arab lives could be saved.  Maybe some Israelis too.

@Manus: If Israel wanted to, they could have killed or evicted all the Arabs between the river and the sea any time in the last 40 years; No need to wait for Hamas to increase its rocketing.  The Israeli government is trying to get a peace settlement with the Palestinians; This may be foolish or futile, but that&#039;s what they are trying to do.  Killing the Arabs would be easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamas decided to heat up the conflict. Maybe they thought Israel would ignore the increase in the number of rockets, and the attempt to tunnel under the wall.  If so, Hamas was wrong.</p>
<p>Most reports indicate that the vast bulk of the hundreds dead are Hamas security people.  So Israel is aiming pretty well.  Hamas rockets aren&#8217;t aimed at all.</p>
<p>I think more people will die before this is over.  Hamas says they love death; They&#8217;ll be getting a bunch whether they love it or not.</p>
<p>War is a terrible thing, and in all wars, civilians die as well as armed men.  It would no doubt help if Hamas military would agree to wear uniforms and not launch from civilian areas: A lot of Arab lives could be saved.  Maybe some Israelis too.</p>
<p>@Manus: If Israel wanted to, they could have killed or evicted all the Arabs between the river and the sea any time in the last 40 years; No need to wait for Hamas to increase its rocketing.  The Israeli government is trying to get a peace settlement with the Palestinians; This may be foolish or futile, but that&#8217;s what they are trying to do.  Killing the Arabs would be easier.</p>
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