Comments on: Arab World Reacts to “Gaza Massacre”

By: Ben

Ben — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:45:08 +0000

even if there is a ceasefire as of now, the damage has already been done, for many years to come. thousands of children lost parents and family members, parents lost their children, and all so that the isreaeli state can feel like they’ve succesfully destroyed hamas infrastructure. the Uk and the Us are very aware of Israel’s actions and future plans (to invade Iran) and they silently approve. if the palestinians had murdered over 1000 people and injured 3000 more would those countries have kept silent? of course not. if this had happened to jews, the US and UK would call this a new modern holocaust, but because it’s muslims, they don’t care, it really is that simple. We’re are at a pivotal moment in history at this point, the US and other countries are uniting against Arab/Muslim countries and communities begore they become too powerful. Bush did it with the gulf war and his wretched son finished it in 2003 when he invaded Iraq. Muslims everywhere are being discriminated and portrayed as barbarians in the news and in the global media. many western countries do it systematically in order to persuade the western world that the islam is the people’s enemy. and if they get enough people to believe it then they will have the support to do anything they want.

By: Manus

Manus — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:05:45 +0000

To say that Hamas broke the ceasefire is simply an outright lie and a flagrant distortion of the truth. Many months ago there was a debate about the Israeli blockade of Gaza on “Global Voices” and our friends from Israel were nowhere to be seen.
Israel is a nuclear power and the military super-power in the region. Also, Israel is the 6th undeclared permanent member of the United Nations. The Israeli use of sophisticated weapons against occupied civilian highly populated urban concentrations is nothing but a war crime. After the strangulation of the Palestinian population for many years, and starving them, these glorified fireworks were a scream for help. The cynical Israeli response was to open the crosses for 2 days then unleash these coward barbaric attacks on people that cannot respond with anything but these very inaccurate primitive home-made fire-crackers. Whereas western media reports these events as a response to Palestinian rocket attacks, they fail to highlight the plight of the Palestinian people and represent the sequence of events leading to these desperate rocket attacks. Also, the use of words like “missiles” is not only misleading but seems to me a misrepresentation of the inexistent treat they truly represent. This is propaganda at its best. The situation is created by Israel not just responding to it and if the Israelis wanted peace as they claim the solution is very simple. The destruction of Gaza has nothing to do with Hamas. Israel will accept no authority in the Palestinian territories that it does not ultimately control. Any individual, leader, faction or movement that fails to accede to Israel’s demands or that seeks genuine sovereignty and the equality of all nations in the region; any government or popular movement that demands the applicability of international humanitarian law and of the universal declaration of human rights for its own people will be unacceptable for the Jewish State. It is that simple. This Israeli ethnocratic theocracy with Universal Suffrage will stop at nothing to realise their biblical aspirations of full land judaisation dreams and the total inhalation of any real Palestinian authority. The question that remains is what will Israel deem necessary to eradicate a militarily inexistent treat?!!

By: Manus

Manus — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:00:41 +0000

@Civax (We meet again my dear friend)
To say that Hamas broke the ceasefire is simply an outright lie and a flagrant distortion of the truth. Many months ago there was a debate about the Israeli blockade of Gaza on “Global Voices” and our friends from Israel were nowhere to be seen.
Israel is a nuclear power and the military super-power in the region. Also, Israel is the 6th undeclared permanent member of the United Nations. The Israeli use of sophisticated weapons against occupied civilian highly populated urban concentrations is nothing but a war crime. After the strangulation of the Palestinian population for many years, and starving them, these glorified fireworks were a scream for help. The cynical Israeli response was to open the crosses for 2 days then unleash these coward barbaric attacks on people that cannot respond with anything but these very inaccurate primitive home-made fire-crackers. Whereas western media reports these events as a response to Palestinian rocket attacks, they fail to highlight the plight of the Palestinian people and represent the sequence of events leading to these desperate rocket attacks. Also, the use of words like “missiles” is not only misleading but seems to me a misrepresentation of the inexistent treat they truly represent. This is propaganda at its best. The situation is created by Israel not just responding to it and if the Israelis wanted peace as they claim the solution is very simple. The destruction of Gaza has nothing to do with Hamas. Israel will accept no authority in the Palestinian territories that it does not ultimately control. Any individual, leader, faction or movement that fails to accede to Israel’s demands or that seeks genuine sovereignty and the equality of all nations in the region; any government or popular movement that demands the applicability of international humanitarian law and of the universal declaration of human rights for its own people will be unacceptable for the Jewish State. It is that simple. This Israeli ethnocratic theocracy with Universal Suffrage will stop at nothing to realise their biblical aspirations of full land judaisation dreams and the total inhalation of any real Palestinian authority. The question that remains is what will Israel deem necessary to eradicate a militarily inexistent treat?!!

By: Mena

Mena — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:17:04 +0000

These continuous lines that we draw on man made maps are as futile as building sand castles in a storm. It’s not Muslim vs. Jews! It’s Death vs. Death. Are you a citizen of a country? Or part of Universe? Think big. How we define ourselves sets the standard for how we treat others.

By: Frank McAdams

Frank McAdams — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:34:31 +0000

I would like to say, how tragic the loss of life in gaza is, no matter what the fight, the loss of life to the inoccent men, women, and children cannot justify the actions of both sides, some day people will realise it’s about money and power, and peoples lives are worthless to these power mad people. I hope some kind of truce can happen soon, otherwise many more people will die. Also the people of Israel should be able to live in safety, I am not from any of these places and probably don’t fully understand the situation, I just pray for all of the people. Whether they are Isreal or Gaza.

By: أمنية

أمنية — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:33:07 +0000

i advice all countires to have a second thought on trying to compete with the global show which israel is going to make tomorrow to celebrate the new year eve.

to the whole world..
Do not miss the show tomorrow , be tune.. Israel will stun you!

By: A Peek into a Mind » Blog Archive » Answer to Manus

A Peek into a Mind » Blog Archive » Answer to Manus — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:56:52 +0000

[...] response to this thread: 1. Israel continues now and had been supplying electricity and fuel to Gaza even while the Hamas [...]

By: civax

civax — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:45:24 +0000

@manus (damn, this twitter jargon gets everywhere these days…)

1. Israel continue (even now) and had been supplying electricity and fuel to Gaza even whule the Hamas was shooting rockets daily trying to hit the Poer station Ashkelon that supplys them with this exact electricity. (…)

2. Israel allowed trucks with aid most of the last years into Gaza, even while getting rockets on it – beside during times the Hamas attacked the crossings themselves (… 2)

3. Israel sent in 52 trucks with aid on Friday, a day before the attack. Today around 100 trucks with food and medical aid was sent in from the Israeli side and the Egyptians (with coordination with Israel) allowed more trucks getting in from their side. So even during this attack now, Aid is sent in from Israel.

4. Don’t you find it weird that the Israeli governments are fighting with the Hamas in Gaza ever since it took power, while the same governments have talks with Abbas and the Palestinians in the West Bank?

I mean, Abbas and Israel still have a lot of issues they disagree on, but they TALK. and people from the West Bank are not under siege, they are not starving, they go places freely, they move in and out of Israel (not easily but they do). So, why can Israel and Palestinians in West Bank talk while Israel and Palestinians in Gaza can’t?

Don’t you think it has anything to do with Hamas officially calls for the destruction of Israel and the establishing of an Islamic caliphate? That they are part of the Muslim Brotherhood that is radical Islam that threats secular Arab regimes? That they are linked to Hizbulla, financed and trained by Iran?

Hamas is a radical Islam, terror group which prefer to have all Palestinians die as mujaheedin (holy fighters) rather than live in peace.

That is why Gaza suffers. Not Israel – Hamas.

By: nancy

nancy — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:02:25 +0000

Where is the human rights after we can say where is the Arab people ,where is the international consience,really it is a terrible massacre ,and Israeli doesn’t have any atom of humanity ,the Israeli government should judge from the high court .

By: Manus

Manus — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:23:12 +0000

@Andry
There is a very important principal your argument is missing. The occupied territories are not a state and do not operate like one. Also, the situation is created by Israel not just responding to it. The solution is clear and there are UN resolutions clearly providing an answer to your questions. I have been looking at the American blogs and media and they seem totally disconnected from reality. The Arab street and media know the score as there is nothing to rationalise or analyse. Israel commits war crimes. The American administration that is disproportionately represented by the Jewish Diaspora and the Israel friendly Evangelical religious right will stop any International condemnations and use its veto if necessary. The embedded American media who is an integral part of the real powers running the State will spin and use all type of propaganda techniques to distort the facts for the local American public. The rest is business as usual.

By: Manus

Manus — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:00:00 +0000

@civax
Nobody masters the art of sophism and rhetoric like our friends from Israel. However, “You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig”. Change that record as people can see through this masquerade. Israel as the occupying power under article 55 of the Geneva Convention “has the duty of ensuring the food and medical supplies of the population; it should, in particular, bring in the necessary foodstuffs, medical stores and other articles if the resources of the occupied territory are inadequate”. Israel failed to do so and used it as a bargaining political instrument for oppression. In fact, 1.5 million inhabitants are effectively prisoners. Israel strategy is to cut the blood supply to create an environment of chaos and destabilise the Hamas regime in Gaza. Israeli internal politics struggles also had a major influence on how the military campaign will be directed. Kadima and Avodah would have lost the elections handsomely if they have not shown that they are tough and a successful campaign in Gaza seriously improves the leftists’ chances in the elections. Also, a political readjustment with the arrival of a new American administration in few weeks was necessary. This kind of cynicism is nothing new to Israeli politicians and their miserable calculations.

By: Andry

Andry — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:34:24 +0000

Thanks! A few follow-ups:

“Do you even know what Palestinians want?” Do you mean Hamas? Or Fatah, or third parties?

Hamas wants to deal with Israel on par, which is not realistic. Why? Because it is just a dream, separated from realities. The cost is Palestinian lives.

Hamas wants “the right of return”, forgetting that this “right” is a human construct.

Hamas wants an islamic state in all what is now Israel, where Jews, Muslims, and Christians would live happily together…. Is it realistic?

I am not sure about Hamas’es current interpretation of the right to respond militarily at will to Israel’s actions that they deem hostile, but it appears to me that they want this right to be written in any possible document with Israel if any.

By: Andry

Andry — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:31:33 +0000

Thanks! A few follow-ups:

> Do you even know what Palestinians want?

Do you mean Hamas? Or Fatah, or third parties?

Hamas wants to deal with Israel on par, which is not realistic. Why? Because it is just a dream, separated from realities. The cost is Palestinian lives.

Hamas wants “the right of return”, forgetting that this “right” is a human construct.

Hamas wants an islamic state in all what is now Israel, where Jews, Muslims, and Christians would live happily together…. Is it realistic?

By: Robert Fisk

Robert Fisk — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:28:08 +0000

Leaders lie, civilians die, and lessons of history are ignored ….

By: Jesse Owen

Jesse Owen — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:15:13 +0000

civax:
Your solution sounds quite good for the Israel side, but it doesn’t address any of the grievances that the PPalestinian side has. But that is all that Israel has done so far, make “fair” offers that would be given between two countries at war, or during a civil war. Then western governments and media can say “that’s fair”, and when Hamas or whoever doesn’t accept the agreement, or breaks it soon after, everyone can easily blame them for breaking a “fair” agreement. And if Israel breaks it they always give a good excuse, like some small amount of violence against Israel or an election that choeses someone Israel doesn’t like, to start the violence again.
So unless you deal with what the Palestinians want and not just paying lip service in the guise of making Israel more secure, then no long-term changes will happen.
Do you even know what Palestinians want?