Comments on: Macedonia: NATO and the Name Issue

By: Solana Larsen

Solana Larsen — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:55:15 +0000

Gentlemen, I think you should agree to disagree. As we have heard different sides of the argument now, and appear to have ended on rather an unfriendly tone, I think it’s best we close for additional comments.

Wishing you a good weekend,

Solana
-moderator

By: Boris

Boris — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:16:35 +0000

WAKE UP!

By: Peter

Peter — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:00:42 +0000

Ok,Boris,I am in my 70s I was born in Northern Greece(Macedonia).I am Macedonian,my great,great,great grandparents were Macedonian.You know,all my great grandfathers names are Macedonian,non Greek or Bulgarian,but pure Macedonian like,Vasil,Kote,Yuve Miajle,are these sound Greek Boris,answer one question for me please; In 1913 Macedonia was divided between Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria,this is my believe.My question to you is simple,assuming Macedonia is Greek;Why in 1913 Greece allowed Serbia and Bulgaria to annex 49% of the geografical Macedonia,and never objected? If you are a man of knowledge as you claim,can you answer this question honestly?I bet my buttom dollar ,you are unable.Ok,professor, I will waite for your answer.Mr. Boris,dont pretend you know history. you my friend,are pathetic.You cant even tell the difference of the meaning “slav”.Once more, the language is slacic,the nationality is Macedonian.Our ethnicity is Macedonian,kapish?Ya sum Makedonec,nishto drugo,me razbirash eli ne?

By: Boris

Boris — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:06:38 +0000

Honestly Peter,
Your sources are but nationalistic FYROM websites and Risto Stevov.

You live in a delusion.

Everything you say is simply rebuffed by the most common of academia, and any non FYROM historians.

You have to understand that your government is practicing theories of a past era.
Of a war that has been long lost.

Gruevsky and his views do not belong to the 21st century.

I know this is hard for you, but honestly man, your views and interpretation of history are ridiculous.

I hop you snap out of your delusion soon and see the truths that lie in front of you.

There has never been a Macedonian ethnicity.
It was part of the communist attempt to grasp lands and an outpost to the mediterranean sea. Vital 60 years ago, with the cold war ets.
But wake up.
This war is over.
FYROM is in the center of Europe.
Your Government airs TV Bibles that say that the Macedonians are true white master race.
The FYROM media call Gruevsky, ‘ the immortal and eternal leader.

So please, Wake up and stop trying o defend your case.
Your case is flawed. History can not be re written.

Europe awaits you.
Its up to you to make the step ‘forward’.

By: Peter

Peter — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:34:57 +0000

truth Bearer,last summer I visited the Republic of Macedonia and a friend of mine took me to a Church built in 1014. The icons have never been restored,they are written in Macedonian.There is an icon of Mary holding Christ,the only icon where Marys eyes have tears.There is the 16 ray carving on a wood at the entrance of this church. The church is called Pantelejmon and it is in the mountain hiden from external harm.Go and visit, it will change your whole thinking about the who is the rightfull owner of the 16 ray flag.It is not on blue backround,it is on a red backround.

By: Peter

Peter — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:17:59 +0000

Truth Bearer.what greece has done to the Macedonian people since 1913 is shamefull.No State on this earth has tortured other ethnicities as Greece has done to the Macedonians.Truth Bearer, take note,in 1925 at the League of Nations a high ranking Greek representative Vasilis Dendramanis said to his counterparts of Bulgaria and Serbia the following;Mr. Dendramanis responded by defending the Macedonian language as being”Neither Bulgarian,nor Serbian but an independent language.”He listed various linquists and linquistic maps as evidance to support his claim of the independence of the Macedonian language.”The high ranking Greek official representing the Greek State not only recognized the existance of the Macedonian identity, but openly defended and supported it.In 1925 Greece did publish the Macedonian Abcedar for the Macedonian children,but it was scraped due to an opposition within Greece. Are you with me so far? In all our churches the icons were written in Macedonian,but Greece erased them and made a mess,then they rewrited them in Greek.You see Mr. Truth Bearer,We did write in Macedonian since 856 the Cyrilic alphabet that is Macedonian.Today, Russia,Serbia,Bulgaria,Ukraine and Bielorussia are using the Cyrilic alphabet.I repeat,Macedonian alphabet.Our language is close to the above languages also to the Slovak,Chehoslovakia and Poland.By the shear defence of Vasilis Debdramanis in 1925 it should should be enough for you I believe.If not, I could write the alphabet for you on this site.
Thaks for the request.

By: Truth Bearer

Truth Bearer — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:30:45 +0000

Dear Peter can you please tell us where is your language anywhere written around Macedonia before 1944??Where can u show us that you existed before 1944?Show us tombstones,churches,newspapers anything that proves you lot existed?We are all waiting for your evidence of proof Peter you poor sad tragedy that calls himself a civilised human.2nd question can you please tell us how come all your “Macedonian” heroes fought for Bulgaria and died for mother Bulgaria?

By: Boris

Boris — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:18:54 +0000

Occupied Macedonia?
Are you on some sort of medication?

By: Peter

Peter — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:01:05 +0000

Boris and Truth Bearer,in March of this year we will see the UN report on the Macedonian minority in occupied Macedonia. In the meantime,you go and learn history.You need to be re-educated in history.I wonder if a fabricator can see beyond the low horizon.Your horizon is full of clouds, and you can not see beyond your noses.Both of you are no historians,all you know is the Greek mythology,thats your history.

By: Truth Bearer

Truth Bearer — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:27:55 +0000

Peter please you are sadly a delusional fool……There is no such ethnicity called “Macedonian”.

By: Boris

Boris — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:48:55 +0000

Aegean Macedonia is part of the FYROM lie.

Aegean Macedonia: Greek Macedonia.
If you wish to live in the past, you may as well do so.
European countries have changed chapter.
Move on, or perish…

By: Peter

Peter — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:01:38 +0000

Boris,if you are a historian,have you analyzed what Isocrates and Demosthenes wrote in 337BC?. If you have and you dont understand,then in my book you are a Greek who fabricates history. Greece,beats everybody on falsification and fabrication of history,and you are part of it.The reson I dont respect you is because you are one of those history fabricators.All you are interested is, to promote the Greek propaganda and their mythology.You also following in their footsteps based on mythology that is no history by its meaning.I told you, I am no historian,but when you are telling me there are no Macedonian ethnicity in the Republic of Macedonia and in Northern Greece(Macedonia),well,I am One of this ethnicity from the Aegean Macedonia.

By: Boris

Boris — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:07:55 +0000

Lets see the wiki, a very neutral source:
This article is about the people of ancient Greece; for the unrelated modern Slavic ethnic group see Macedonians (ethnic group fabricated in 1913-my addition)
The expansion of the ancient Macedonians in 4th century BC.

The Macedonians (Greek: Μακεδόνες, Makedónes) were an ancient tribe which inhabited the alluvial plain around the rivers Haliacmon and lower Axius, north of Mount Olympus in Greece. Historians generally agree that the ancient Macedonians, whether they originally spoke a Greek dialect or a distinct language, came to belong to the Koine Greek-speaking population in the Hellenistic period. Whether they were of ultimately Greek origin themselves or were later Hellenised, continues to be debated by some scholars, but most of them advocate that the ancient Macedonians were of Greek origin.
The Macedonian royal family, known as the Argead dynasty, claimed Greek descent from Argos in the Peloponnese(thus the name Argead) and Macedonians competed in the ancient Olympic Games, an athletic event in which only men of Greek origin were allowed to participate.
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The most honest move the government of FYROM can do,
is call the country: Slavo-Macedonia,
the language, Slavo-Macedonian, and the ethnicity,
Slavo-Macedonian.
In that way, there will be no confusion between the two peoples, namely the Greek Macedonians,
and the Slav-Albanian Macedonians, don’t you think?
It separates culture and peoples.

A lot of things would have been more peaceful and cooperative between Greece and SlavoMacedonia,
if that would happen.

I am sick and tired now, so I rest my pen in this issue.
Take care Peter.

By: Peter

Peter — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:51:46 +0000

When you denying that there were no Macedonians before the Ottoman Rmpire,you are putting yourself down my friend.You should be ashamed pretending you are historian. My quewstion to you is this;Are you a Greek historian or a Bulgarian?Or are you realy a historian? The Macedonians showed up after the Ottomans? are you that stupid Boris?

By: Boris

Boris — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:32:36 +0000

Show me the academia please for your claim..

Right… there is none..