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	<title>Comments on: Brazil: Against Illegal Abortion or Against Women?</title>
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		<title>By: Global Voices in het Nederlands &#187; Brazilië: Vaticaan veroordeelt abortus verkracht meisje</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices in het Nederlands &#187; Brazilië: Vaticaan veroordeelt abortus verkracht meisje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] nieuws heeft de abortuskwestie in Brazilië [en] weer doen oplaaien en bovendien de invloed die de Rooms-Katholieke Kerk in een seculiere staat [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] nieuws heeft de abortuskwestie in Brazilië [en] weer doen oplaaien en bovendien de invloed die de Rooms-Katholieke Kerk in een seculiere staat [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brazil - On the Vatican&#8217;s condemnation of raped-child&#8217;s abortion &#171; Equal Parenting @ Ration Shed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brazil - On the Vatican&#8217;s condemnation of raped-child&#8217;s abortion &#171; Equal Parenting @ Ration Shed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] news has rekindled the abortion issue in Brazil, and in addition, highlighted the influence of the Roman Catholic Church in the personal and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Brazil: On the Vatican&#8217;s condemnation of raped-child&#8217;s abortion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Brazil: On the Vatican&#8217;s condemnation of raped-child&#8217;s abortion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] news has rekindled the abortion issue in Brazil, and in addition, highlighted the influence of the Roman Catholic Church in the personal and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bernardo parrella</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/20/brazil-against-illegal-abortion-or-against-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1542559</link>
		<dc:creator>bernardo parrella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>impressive post, daniel, thanks! this situation reminds me of a similar scenario in italy, when we fought for (divorce and later) abortion depenalization in early &#039;70s

and both in italy and brazil (and south america) the catholic church power was-is quite dramatic

but in both cases, and all over the world, we&#039;ll never stress enough another important fact: this is also a &quot;class&quot; issue, rich vs. poor, since rich people/women can and will always have abortions in a medically safe &amp; caring environment, despite being &quot;illegal&quot; 

and no matter how many stringent laws, parliamentary commissions or patrolling police a state could establish, abortions will happen anyway - even if it&#039;s an emotionally painful situation for any woman 

IMHO, those are realities that require any modern society to avoid bigotism, false ideology or supposedly faith-based assumptions and instead to openly deal with the issue by legalizing abortion here &amp; now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>impressive post, daniel, thanks! this situation reminds me of a similar scenario in italy, when we fought for (divorce and later) abortion depenalization in early &#8217;70s</p>
<p>and both in italy and brazil (and south america) the catholic church power was-is quite dramatic</p>
<p>but in both cases, and all over the world, we&#8217;ll never stress enough another important fact: this is also a &#8220;class&#8221; issue, rich vs. poor, since rich people/women can and will always have abortions in a medically safe &amp; caring environment, despite being &#8220;illegal&#8221; </p>
<p>and no matter how many stringent laws, parliamentary commissions or patrolling police a state could establish, abortions will happen anyway &#8211; even if it&#8217;s an emotionally painful situation for any woman </p>
<p>IMHO, those are realities that require any modern society to avoid bigotism, false ideology or supposedly faith-based assumptions and instead to openly deal with the issue by legalizing abortion here &amp; now</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Duende</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/20/brazil-against-illegal-abortion-or-against-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1541162</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Duende</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the Portuguese language readers and commentators:

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://pt.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/23/brasil-contra-o-aborto-ilegal-ou-contra-as-mulheres/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Portuguese language version of this article&lt;/a&gt; is already published at Global Voices em Português.

I&#039;m counting on your participation and opinions on the ensuing debate there too.

Best,
Daniel Duende</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the Portuguese language readers and commentators:</p>
<p>The <a href="http://pt.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/23/brasil-contra-o-aborto-ilegal-ou-contra-as-mulheres/" rel="nofollow">Portuguese language version of this article</a> is already published at Global Voices em Português.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m counting on your participation and opinions on the ensuing debate there too.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Daniel Duende</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Duende</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/20/brazil-against-illegal-abortion-or-against-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1540973</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Duende</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, all.

Fabio: thank you for your compliments. I think there&#039;s a lot of reflection that must be done about this issue, not only in Brazil, but in the whole Latin America.

Luís Guilherme: in fact you have a point, if we think in a very plain and simplistic way. But things are never this simple in the real world. What is being said by some women&#039;s rights activists, besides the fight to legalize abortion in Brazil, is that the CPI is part of a patriarchal stratagem to intimidate not only women that made abortions in the past, but to silence activists and groups that fight for these rights. So, it&#039;s not only about law enforcement. It&#039;s about using the punitive powers of the government to tip the scales of a political struggle.

Wagner Moura: These numbers are accepted by many official agencies, including the WHO and the Brazilian Ministry of Health. And I agree with you when you say that being abortion illegal, it&#039;s hard to make a real picture of the abortions made in Brazil. Many abortions probably go unnoticed by the statistics, which would make the real figures bigger (not smaller) than this. Can you elaborate more on why do you think the numbers should be smaller?

Chrystal: Abortion is a complex issue. Not only personal, not only economical, not only social, not only ethical or moral. It&#039;s a complex context where you can&#039;t simply extract a partial facet without losing the picture. It&#039;s a very interesting statement that women have no real choice when they simply can&#039;t raise the child they&#039;re bearing. But one can&#039;t say that&#039;s the whole picture. Some women could, but just don&#039;t want to, raise a child. Others surely couldn&#039;t, in face of their economical and social situations, raise a child, but they passionately want and try to. So, in an economical point of view, it&#039;s not a matter of choice. But ultimately, when you take a look at the whole picture, one can&#039;t say it&#039;s not a matter of ultimate choice. And maybe a choice that could not be taken from the individual.

Best,
Daniel Duende</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, all.</p>
<p>Fabio: thank you for your compliments. I think there&#8217;s a lot of reflection that must be done about this issue, not only in Brazil, but in the whole Latin America.</p>
<p>Luís Guilherme: in fact you have a point, if we think in a very plain and simplistic way. But things are never this simple in the real world. What is being said by some women&#8217;s rights activists, besides the fight to legalize abortion in Brazil, is that the CPI is part of a patriarchal stratagem to intimidate not only women that made abortions in the past, but to silence activists and groups that fight for these rights. So, it&#8217;s not only about law enforcement. It&#8217;s about using the punitive powers of the government to tip the scales of a political struggle.</p>
<p>Wagner Moura: These numbers are accepted by many official agencies, including the WHO and the Brazilian Ministry of Health. And I agree with you when you say that being abortion illegal, it&#8217;s hard to make a real picture of the abortions made in Brazil. Many abortions probably go unnoticed by the statistics, which would make the real figures bigger (not smaller) than this. Can you elaborate more on why do you think the numbers should be smaller?</p>
<p>Chrystal: Abortion is a complex issue. Not only personal, not only economical, not only social, not only ethical or moral. It&#8217;s a complex context where you can&#8217;t simply extract a partial facet without losing the picture. It&#8217;s a very interesting statement that women have no real choice when they simply can&#8217;t raise the child they&#8217;re bearing. But one can&#8217;t say that&#8217;s the whole picture. Some women could, but just don&#8217;t want to, raise a child. Others surely couldn&#8217;t, in face of their economical and social situations, raise a child, but they passionately want and try to. So, in an economical point of view, it&#8217;s not a matter of choice. But ultimately, when you take a look at the whole picture, one can&#8217;t say it&#8217;s not a matter of ultimate choice. And maybe a choice that could not be taken from the individual.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Daniel Duende</p>
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		<title>By: Chrystal</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/20/brazil-against-illegal-abortion-or-against-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1540925</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious what the attitudes towards adoption are in Brazil. I know that here in the U.S. there are many agencies that support women through their pregnancies and then place their children in homes where they are very very wanted. Abortion is an economic issue. There are many women who feel they have no choice but to abort because they can&#039;t afford a child. That is not freedom to choose either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious what the attitudes towards adoption are in Brazil. I know that here in the U.S. there are many agencies that support women through their pregnancies and then place their children in homes where they are very very wanted. Abortion is an economic issue. There are many women who feel they have no choice but to abort because they can&#8217;t afford a child. That is not freedom to choose either.</p>
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		<title>By: Wagner Moura</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/20/brazil-against-illegal-abortion-or-against-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1540802</link>
		<dc:creator>Wagner Moura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That 1,000,000 abortions is a very interesting number. Once we know that abortion in Brazil is a crime, so how can we belivie in such statistic? I mean, where these guys colect that numbers? Maybe at the illegal abortion &quot;clinics&quot;? I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That 1,000,000 abortions is a very interesting number. Once we know that abortion in Brazil is a crime, so how can we belivie in such statistic? I mean, where these guys colect that numbers? Maybe at the illegal abortion &#8220;clinics&#8221;? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Luís Guilherme</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/20/brazil-against-illegal-abortion-or-against-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1540792</link>
		<dc:creator>Luís Guilherme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fact is: abortion is currently a crime in Brazil. If you commit an abortion, you must be punished. You can argue for the right to abort your child, but you cannot argue for not enforcing against who, being abortion forbidden, makes it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact is: abortion is currently a crime in Brazil. If you commit an abortion, you must be punished. You can argue for the right to abort your child, but you cannot argue for not enforcing against who, being abortion forbidden, makes it.</p>
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		<title>By: CPI do aborto &#171; O Possível e O Extraordinário</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/20/brazil-against-illegal-abortion-or-against-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1540763</link>
		<dc:creator>CPI do aborto &#171; O Possível e O Extraordinário</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] aos comentários Citaram O Possível e O Extraordinário e o Deus lo Vult! num artigo em inglês do Global Voices  que trata da tensão gerada pela criação da CPI do aborto (ainda não [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] aos comentários Citaram O Possível e O Extraordinário e o Deus lo Vult! num artigo em inglês do Global Voices  que trata da tensão gerada pela criação da CPI do aborto (ainda não [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fábio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fábio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article, Daniel. Makes us think what we should be doing about our rights in Brazil and aren´t doing until now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, Daniel. Makes us think what we should be doing about our rights in Brazil and aren´t doing until now.</p>
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