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	<title>Comments on: Egypt: Egyptian Dialect Wikipedia</title>
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		<title>By: fay</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-2/#comment-1559218</link>
		<dc:creator>fay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>remove that thing from the web .i will boycott wikipedia if this is continue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remove that thing from the web .i will boycott wikipedia if this is continue</p>
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		<title>By: Mohamed Ahmed</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-2/#comment-1539525</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohamed Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facts sraight, the User who proposed this wiki said &quot;Egyptian Slang&quot; himself. It is original Reseach. Because the ISO page say it is Spoken. Wirting using Latin Alphabet is Original Research. And, now they are inventing words on this wiki.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facts sraight, the User who proposed this wiki said &#8220;Egyptian Slang&#8221; himself. It is original Reseach. Because the ISO page say it is Spoken. Wirting using Latin Alphabet is Original Research. And, now they are inventing words on this wiki.</p>
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		<title>By: GerardM</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-2/#comment-1539347</link>
		<dc:creator>GerardM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is the ISO or International Standards Organisation that recognised Egyptian Arabic as a language. 

This is not the first project where people make an effort to standardise a language. This is not considered original research. Original research is associated with the content of articles.

Please get your facts straight.
Thanks,
     GerardM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the ISO or International Standards Organisation that recognised Egyptian Arabic as a language. </p>
<p>This is not the first project where people make an effort to standardise a language. This is not considered original research. Original research is associated with the content of articles.</p>
<p>Please get your facts straight.<br />
Thanks,<br />
     GerardM</p>
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		<title>By: Mohamed Ahmed</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-2/#comment-1539246</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohamed Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello; I am an Egyptian, I am against this version of Wikipedia, becuase it violates the priciples and the rules of Wikipedia. Egyptian Arabic is only spoken, most of the Egyptians recognize it as a dialect. There is a golden rule in all versions of Wikipedia, it is to avoid Original Research. But, we find that in this Wiki, alot of Original Research is being made. Now there is a proposal for a Wikitionary to &quot;Standarize&quot; the &quot;language&quot; as the supporters say. I wonder: Can we &quot;standarize&quot; a &quot;language&quot; on a wiki?!! I guess not. I won&#039;t forget to say, that the supporters hold a view on Egyptian Arabic, they call it &quot;Modern Egyptian Language&quot; They didn&#039;t try to rename it as they want on the English Wikipedia where Egyptian Aranbic is a variety of the Arabic language. The Policy of Wikimedia regaridng the creation of new language project states that Wikipedia is not for developing new language entities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello; I am an Egyptian, I am against this version of Wikipedia, becuase it violates the priciples and the rules of Wikipedia. Egyptian Arabic is only spoken, most of the Egyptians recognize it as a dialect. There is a golden rule in all versions of Wikipedia, it is to avoid Original Research. But, we find that in this Wiki, alot of Original Research is being made. Now there is a proposal for a Wikitionary to &#8220;Standarize&#8221; the &#8220;language&#8221; as the supporters say. I wonder: Can we &#8220;standarize&#8221; a &#8220;language&#8221; on a wiki?!! I guess not. I won&#8217;t forget to say, that the supporters hold a view on Egyptian Arabic, they call it &#8220;Modern Egyptian Language&#8221; They didn&#8217;t try to rename it as they want on the English Wikipedia where Egyptian Aranbic is a variety of the Arabic language. The Policy of Wikimedia regaridng the creation of new language project states that Wikipedia is not for developing new language entities.</p>
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		<title>By: GerardM</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-2/#comment-1539089</link>
		<dc:creator>GerardM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoi,
The language policy of the WMF is quite simple. A language is a language when it is recognised as such by the ISO. Egyptian Arabic, North Levantine Arabic et al are. When people request a project and they create an incubator project, do the localisation at Betawiki, they can have their own project.

The Egyptian Arabic effort has proven itself as a good effort worthy of its own project. When you compare this with the request for a Lebanese Wikipedia, you will find that the language is known as North Levantine Arabic. According to the text at Ethnologue there are more people in Syria who speak the language then in Lebanon AND there were no people actively supporting this proposal. Now only requests from people who actively support a project are taken further.

The policy is really explicit about accepting certain arguments for or against a request. Political and religious argument are not acceptable. This means that the notion of a unified Arabic world is not relevant and certainly not when weighed against the recognition of separate languages by ISO.

The notion that it splits up the Arabic Wikipedia community is not a valid argument either because who can determine for someone else what to work on. The ability of people from different languages to understand each other has also not been a real issue in the past. Neapolitan and Catalan people understand each other really well probably much better then an Iraqi and a Moroccan. 

When people consider this as a move against their religion, they fail to see that it is every one&#039;s right to work on the Wikipedia they feel most comfortable with. If for religious reasons people object to something like the Egyptian Arabic Wikipedia, they show a lack of respect for the views of those who either do not share their interpretation of religion, their religion or value their mother tongue as a language separate from Arabic.

The freedom of expression is a fundamental human right. So you are quite welcome not to appreciate the Egyptian Arabic Wikipedia, but you are not free to effectively deny this project its existence.
Thanks,
     GerardM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoi,<br />
The language policy of the WMF is quite simple. A language is a language when it is recognised as such by the ISO. Egyptian Arabic, North Levantine Arabic et al are. When people request a project and they create an incubator project, do the localisation at Betawiki, they can have their own project.</p>
<p>The Egyptian Arabic effort has proven itself as a good effort worthy of its own project. When you compare this with the request for a Lebanese Wikipedia, you will find that the language is known as North Levantine Arabic. According to the text at Ethnologue there are more people in Syria who speak the language then in Lebanon AND there were no people actively supporting this proposal. Now only requests from people who actively support a project are taken further.</p>
<p>The policy is really explicit about accepting certain arguments for or against a request. Political and religious argument are not acceptable. This means that the notion of a unified Arabic world is not relevant and certainly not when weighed against the recognition of separate languages by ISO.</p>
<p>The notion that it splits up the Arabic Wikipedia community is not a valid argument either because who can determine for someone else what to work on. The ability of people from different languages to understand each other has also not been a real issue in the past. Neapolitan and Catalan people understand each other really well probably much better then an Iraqi and a Moroccan. </p>
<p>When people consider this as a move against their religion, they fail to see that it is every one&#8217;s right to work on the Wikipedia they feel most comfortable with. If for religious reasons people object to something like the Egyptian Arabic Wikipedia, they show a lack of respect for the views of those who either do not share their interpretation of religion, their religion or value their mother tongue as a language separate from Arabic.</p>
<p>The freedom of expression is a fundamental human right. So you are quite welcome not to appreciate the Egyptian Arabic Wikipedia, but you are not free to effectively deny this project its existence.<br />
Thanks,<br />
     GerardM</p>
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		<title>By: Tarek Amr</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-1539007</link>
		<dc:creator>Tarek Amr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gharbeia, I&#039;ve tried to make it clearer now in order to reflect what you meant more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gharbeia, I&#8217;ve tried to make it clearer now in order to reflect what you meant more.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmad Gharbeia</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-1538818</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmad Gharbeia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some reservations on the translation; with all respect, Tarek.

- I didn&#039;t single out Coptic Nationalists as the supporters. In fact I specifically mentioned &quot;Egyptian Nationalists, and Coptic Nationalists who differ from the first only in being Christians&quot; I really see no difference.

- I was referring to &quot;Arab-ism&quot; as a term which has cultural, linguistic, political, and ethnological aspects to it, that are confused by many of us, and is indeed intriguing.

- I was not referring to &quot;Egypt and its role as a nation&quot;, but was rather tackling &quot;the concept of Egypt as state&quot;

Should we blame this on the fact that I was commenting in my native Cairene Accent all the way? ;P I think this should have been noted as well, as it is significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some reservations on the translation; with all respect, Tarek.</p>
<p>- I didn&#8217;t single out Coptic Nationalists as the supporters. In fact I specifically mentioned &#8220;Egyptian Nationalists, and Coptic Nationalists who differ from the first only in being Christians&#8221; I really see no difference.</p>
<p>- I was referring to &#8220;Arab-ism&#8221; as a term which has cultural, linguistic, political, and ethnological aspects to it, that are confused by many of us, and is indeed intriguing.</p>
<p>- I was not referring to &#8220;Egypt and its role as a nation&#8221;, but was rather tackling &#8220;the concept of Egypt as state&#8221;</p>
<p>Should we blame this on the fact that I was commenting in my native Cairene Accent all the way? ;P I think this should have been noted as well, as it is significant.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed H. Melege</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-1538787</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmed H. Melege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>انا معترض عن اللهجة من الاول، ونفس الحال مع معظم المصريين.
انا اعتراضى عن طريقتك فى التعليق عن الرأي..

(يا حمير بكل لغات العالم في عامية وفي فصحى…) انظر ماذا كتبت</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>انا معترض عن اللهجة من الاول، ونفس الحال مع معظم المصريين.<br />
انا اعتراضى عن طريقتك فى التعليق عن الرأي..</p>
<p>(يا حمير بكل لغات العالم في عامية وفي فصحى…) انظر ماذا كتبت</p>
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		<title>By: Somar</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-1538583</link>
		<dc:creator>Somar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed..Can u tell me Respect for what ???

أحمد لو وجدت هذه اللغة بمنتدى معين ...والله ما كنت أزعل...
بس وكيبيديا موسوعة ...(يعني مواضيعها لازم تكون موثقة) ..مومجلة شعبية أو مسلسل ولا فلم... 
بتمنى تكون قرأت تعليمات الكتابة في وكيبيديا مصري...

//فيه شوية صغيرة من المقالات فى ويكيبيديا مصرى منها نسخ بالأبجديه اللاتينى لأن كان فيه اقتراح من سنة 1948 لكتابه المصرى بحروف الابجديه اللاتينية//

تصور أنو  كتبنا العلمية تنكتب بلغات عامية محكية...
هلق في حدا سأل أنو كيف وكيبيديا بتقبل ...والله هون المهزلة 

رح أضرب مثل ...بأمريكا في شي اسمو لغة الشات طبعاً هيي انكليزي مع اختصارات كثيرة...وتستخدم بشكل واسع جدا في المحادثات الشعبية ... بس مستحيل أي أحد يتجرأ يكتب مقالة علمية باستخدام تلك اللغة ...

يعني أنا مع المصريين يعتزو بوطنهم ولهجتهم ... بس على الأقل يسموها لهجة وليست لغة 
أنا بتمنى من الجميع أن يرى خطورة التسمية ...
تصور ماذا سيحدث لو أن كل اللهجات الموجودة سميت لغات ...

بصراحة الموضوع خطير جدا</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed..Can u tell me Respect for what ???</p>
<p>أحمد لو وجدت هذه اللغة بمنتدى معين &#8230;والله ما كنت أزعل&#8230;<br />
بس وكيبيديا موسوعة &#8230;(يعني مواضيعها لازم تكون موثقة) ..مومجلة شعبية أو مسلسل ولا فلم&#8230;<br />
بتمنى تكون قرأت تعليمات الكتابة في وكيبيديا مصري&#8230;</p>
<p>//فيه شوية صغيرة من المقالات فى ويكيبيديا مصرى منها نسخ بالأبجديه اللاتينى لأن كان فيه اقتراح من سنة 1948 لكتابه المصرى بحروف الابجديه اللاتينية//</p>
<p>تصور أنو  كتبنا العلمية تنكتب بلغات عامية محكية&#8230;<br />
هلق في حدا سأل أنو كيف وكيبيديا بتقبل &#8230;والله هون المهزلة </p>
<p>رح أضرب مثل &#8230;بأمريكا في شي اسمو لغة الشات طبعاً هيي انكليزي مع اختصارات كثيرة&#8230;وتستخدم بشكل واسع جدا في المحادثات الشعبية &#8230; بس مستحيل أي أحد يتجرأ يكتب مقالة علمية باستخدام تلك اللغة &#8230;</p>
<p>يعني أنا مع المصريين يعتزو بوطنهم ولهجتهم &#8230; بس على الأقل يسموها لهجة وليست لغة<br />
أنا بتمنى من الجميع أن يرى خطورة التسمية &#8230;<br />
تصور ماذا سيحدث لو أن كل اللهجات الموجودة سميت لغات &#8230;</p>
<p>بصراحة الموضوع خطير جدا</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed H. Melege</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-1538563</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmed H. Melege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somar, If you can&#039;t show some respect, then you aren&#039;t eligible to comment here. I don&#039;t know why have your comment been approved !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somar, If you can&#8217;t show some respect, then you aren&#8217;t eligible to comment here. I don&#8217;t know why have your comment been approved !</p>
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		<title>By: &#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; links for 2008-12-09</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-1538487</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; links for 2008-12-09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Global Voices Online Egypt: Egyptian Dialect Wikipedia A group of Wikipedians has launched a wikipedia in Egyptian arabic, a split from the classical arabic edition that&#039;s been developed for some years on Wikipedia. Global Voices rounds up reactions. A few feel like it&#039;s easier to write in Egyptian arabic, while the majority seem to feel this is an anti-Islamist political statement, or simply a bad idea that will go nowhere. (tags: language translation arabic wikipedia blogs globalvoices) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Global Voices Online Egypt: Egyptian Dialect Wikipedia A group of Wikipedians has launched a wikipedia in Egyptian arabic, a split from the classical arabic edition that&#39;s been developed for some years on Wikipedia. Global Voices rounds up reactions. A few feel like it&#39;s easier to write in Egyptian arabic, while the majority seem to feel this is an anti-Islamist political statement, or simply a bad idea that will go nowhere. (tags: language translation arabic wikipedia blogs globalvoices) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Iman</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-1538384</link>
		<dc:creator>Iman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to that weblog, there must be several Egyptian languages. As far as I know, there are many stylistic, grammatical and morophological differences between the dialects of Upper Egypt, Lower Egypt, and Sinai. Can these &#039;differences&#039; turn them into separate languages???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to that weblog, there must be several Egyptian languages. As far as I know, there are many stylistic, grammatical and morophological differences between the dialects of Upper Egypt, Lower Egypt, and Sinai. Can these &#8216;differences&#8217; turn them into separate languages???</p>
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		<title>By: Somar</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-1538355</link>
		<dc:creator>Somar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>شو ها المسخرة اللي مابعدها مسخرة ... يا شعب اللي ما عندو شغل... فكر ..فكر وطلع معو عربي مصري

يا حمير بكل لغات العالم في عامية وفي فصحى...
الفصحى للكتابة العلمية والأكادمية 
والعامية للاستخدام الشعبي ولكن لا يجوز استخدام العامية كاستخدام الفصحى...

يعني مو العتب على الغرب إذا اضحك علينا ...
أنا رأيي لازم نعمل وكيبيديا صعيدي...على الأقل إذا حكى الصعيدي ما حدا بيفهم عليه ...
بس يعني شو بدنا نعمل إذا الشعب صار شغلو الشاغل هو الفزلكة

بالمناسبة أنا هلق كنت عم أكتب عربي سوري....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>شو ها المسخرة اللي مابعدها مسخرة &#8230; يا شعب اللي ما عندو شغل&#8230; فكر ..فكر وطلع معو عربي مصري</p>
<p>يا حمير بكل لغات العالم في عامية وفي فصحى&#8230;<br />
الفصحى للكتابة العلمية والأكادمية<br />
والعامية للاستخدام الشعبي ولكن لا يجوز استخدام العامية كاستخدام الفصحى&#8230;</p>
<p>يعني مو العتب على الغرب إذا اضحك علينا &#8230;<br />
أنا رأيي لازم نعمل وكيبيديا صعيدي&#8230;على الأقل إذا حكى الصعيدي ما حدا بيفهم عليه &#8230;<br />
بس يعني شو بدنا نعمل إذا الشعب صار شغلو الشاغل هو الفزلكة</p>
<p>بالمناسبة أنا هلق كنت عم أكتب عربي سوري&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Iman</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-1538183</link>
		<dc:creator>Iman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an Arab-Syrian and I understand the Egyptian dialect the way I understand all Arabic dialects. What is the point behind considering the Egptian dialect a sort of a language? Does this mean that other Arab citizens who are interested in reading Egyptian blogs are not welcome on the basis that they don&#039;t speak the same &#039;so-called language&#039;? I&#039;m sorry, but this step doesn&#039;t make any sense to me. I also decided to write this in English, and I&#039;m not sure if my English is an American English, a British one, or a Canadian English. Perhaps, you can advise me in that regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an Arab-Syrian and I understand the Egyptian dialect the way I understand all Arabic dialects. What is the point behind considering the Egptian dialect a sort of a language? Does this mean that other Arab citizens who are interested in reading Egyptian blogs are not welcome on the basis that they don&#8217;t speak the same &#8217;so-called language&#8217;? I&#8217;m sorry, but this step doesn&#8217;t make any sense to me. I also decided to write this in English, and I&#8217;m not sure if my English is an American English, a British one, or a Canadian English. Perhaps, you can advise me in that regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Yazan Badran</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/12/07/egypt-egyptian-dialect-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-1538135</link>
		<dc:creator>Yazan Badran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should be a part of Uncyclopedia! What a joke!
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should be a part of Uncyclopedia! What a joke!<br />
<a href="http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page" rel="nofollow">http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page</a></p>
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