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		<title>By: ella</title>
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		<dc:creator>ella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shadeen

It seems that in Iraq more muslims are killed by their brothers then by the americans.  Furthermore shia got finally have a say in the Iraqi government they did not have during Saddam era.
In Afghanistan taliban started to kill people for less than a covert glance from burka.  Not only that but Taliban nowadays  exports and produce drugs which then go through Iran. It can afford to buy ammunition thanks to that export, but thanks to than export people of Iran have one of the highest incidence of drug use in the world.  And it also affects Pakistan, more and more Pakistanis are drug addicts, although the data is difficult to get.
Chechnia was ok (they hated russians, and they tried to fight for their country) Then come  &quot;afghans&quot; with money from Gulf States. Now, Chechnya is in poor state, much worse then before and I think that many of chechiens  hate equally your arab brothers and ruskies. In fact they hate everybody equally, the people who try to help them,  the people who they fight and the people who help them fight.
There are no headless terrorists, there are terrorists supported by community who has as its motto &quot;don&#039;t tell on your brother&quot;, &quot;don&#039;t say bad things about your brothers to others&quot;, &quot;don&#039;t talk&quot; If terrorists were not supported by money they wouldn&#039;t be able to do what they do. So tell me who gives them money for ammunition, for living, for training - a tiny people from mars?
Oh, and talking about philistine - recently there was an article in a news.  Hamas prevented people from Gaza to go for hajj because they were supposed to go with people from West Bank (PA). The title in as sharq al awsad is &quot;has hamas lost his mind&quot; That is your philisitne?

And Dario is right.  Guardian was always left-leaning, and it is his policy to try to find justification for excesses of believers of certain religion.....as is the policy of BBC, as admitted by one of its honchos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shadeen</p>
<p>It seems that in Iraq more muslims are killed by their brothers then by the americans.  Furthermore shia got finally have a say in the Iraqi government they did not have during Saddam era.<br />
In Afghanistan taliban started to kill people for less than a covert glance from burka.  Not only that but Taliban nowadays  exports and produce drugs which then go through Iran. It can afford to buy ammunition thanks to that export, but thanks to than export people of Iran have one of the highest incidence of drug use in the world.  And it also affects Pakistan, more and more Pakistanis are drug addicts, although the data is difficult to get.<br />
Chechnia was ok (they hated russians, and they tried to fight for their country) Then come  &#8220;afghans&#8221; with money from Gulf States. Now, Chechnya is in poor state, much worse then before and I think that many of chechiens  hate equally your arab brothers and ruskies. In fact they hate everybody equally, the people who try to help them,  the people who they fight and the people who help them fight.<br />
There are no headless terrorists, there are terrorists supported by community who has as its motto &#8220;don&#8217;t tell on your brother&#8221;, &#8220;don&#8217;t say bad things about your brothers to others&#8221;, &#8220;don&#8217;t talk&#8221; If terrorists were not supported by money they wouldn&#8217;t be able to do what they do. So tell me who gives them money for ammunition, for living, for training &#8211; a tiny people from mars?<br />
Oh, and talking about philistine &#8211; recently there was an article in a news.  Hamas prevented people from Gaza to go for hajj because they were supposed to go with people from West Bank (PA). The title in as sharq al awsad is &#8220;has hamas lost his mind&#8221; That is your philisitne?</p>
<p>And Dario is right.  Guardian was always left-leaning, and it is his policy to try to find justification for excesses of believers of certain religion&#8230;..as is the policy of BBC, as admitted by one of its honchos.</p>
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		<title>By: Dario</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/28/india-mistakes-media-and-mumbai/comment-page-5/#comment-1536733</link>
		<dc:creator>Dario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shadeen, I am sick and tired of this &quot;not all muslims are terrorists&quot;. However, you must agree that almost all terrorists are indeed Muslims. With regards to all those places you mentioned, you are mentioning them as if the people who leave there where just taking care of their livestock and fields, and suddenly someone came and killed them. You know this is not the case. You know (or should know) that in Lebanon there was a recognized border, backed by a UN resolution, that Hizbollah decided to deliberately trespass and kill Jews. Furthermore, after they killed them, they started negotiations over dead bodies and parts of bodies - now if this is not degenration of human kind, I don&#039;t know what is then. And Hizbollah, by the way are not Christians not jews - they are Muslims. Also, the vast majority of those killed in Lebanon are Christians, and they are being murdered by the Muslims. Regarding Palestine, the same story. They were in a peace process and then came the terrorists attacks in Israel deliberately targeting civilians. If this is not terrorism, you tell me what it is. Now the modern Muslim equation has degenerated into this: We kill your civilians, and the more, the better. If you try to defend youself by killing our killers, then this is wrong and we will have all the right to kill more civilians from your people. Isn&#039;t it incredible? But this is how it works in Palestine. The quran does not say &quot;go and kill innocent people&quot; because this sounds madness - the quran has been written in a more sophisticated manner: it says convert to Islam or die. At the end of the day, the result is the same. If you are innocent people who do not want to convert then you must die - isn&#039;t it the same?
I will continue to speak up about how Muslim communities tolerate and even justify mass killing of innocent by their own people. Instead of vomiting these people and denying them any assistance, they are covering them, supporting by donating money, providing training camps like in Pakistan, etc. In this case, where innocent civilians are being murdered by the hundreds and the thousands, the 3-monkeys attitude (didn&#039;t see, didn&#039;t hear, didn&#039;t say) is not an option for the Muslim community, because, as we say in spanish, quien calla otorga - being silent is allowing. And yes, The Guardian is the &quot;Pravda&quot; of the UK, it always finds rational justifications for something that is in it&#039;s basis a religious terrorism. Go and read honestreporting.com to see what I am talking about before responding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shadeen, I am sick and tired of this &#8220;not all muslims are terrorists&#8221;. However, you must agree that almost all terrorists are indeed Muslims. With regards to all those places you mentioned, you are mentioning them as if the people who leave there where just taking care of their livestock and fields, and suddenly someone came and killed them. You know this is not the case. You know (or should know) that in Lebanon there was a recognized border, backed by a UN resolution, that Hizbollah decided to deliberately trespass and kill Jews. Furthermore, after they killed them, they started negotiations over dead bodies and parts of bodies &#8211; now if this is not degenration of human kind, I don&#8217;t know what is then. And Hizbollah, by the way are not Christians not jews &#8211; they are Muslims. Also, the vast majority of those killed in Lebanon are Christians, and they are being murdered by the Muslims. Regarding Palestine, the same story. They were in a peace process and then came the terrorists attacks in Israel deliberately targeting civilians. If this is not terrorism, you tell me what it is. Now the modern Muslim equation has degenerated into this: We kill your civilians, and the more, the better. If you try to defend youself by killing our killers, then this is wrong and we will have all the right to kill more civilians from your people. Isn&#8217;t it incredible? But this is how it works in Palestine. The quran does not say &#8220;go and kill innocent people&#8221; because this sounds madness &#8211; the quran has been written in a more sophisticated manner: it says convert to Islam or die. At the end of the day, the result is the same. If you are innocent people who do not want to convert then you must die &#8211; isn&#8217;t it the same?<br />
I will continue to speak up about how Muslim communities tolerate and even justify mass killing of innocent by their own people. Instead of vomiting these people and denying them any assistance, they are covering them, supporting by donating money, providing training camps like in Pakistan, etc. In this case, where innocent civilians are being murdered by the hundreds and the thousands, the 3-monkeys attitude (didn&#8217;t see, didn&#8217;t hear, didn&#8217;t say) is not an option for the Muslim community, because, as we say in spanish, quien calla otorga &#8211; being silent is allowing. And yes, The Guardian is the &#8220;Pravda&#8221; of the UK, it always finds rational justifications for something that is in it&#8217;s basis a religious terrorism. Go and read honestreporting.com to see what I am talking about before responding.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaitali Das</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaitali Das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same I can say about Kolkata. I personally today brought &quot;semai&quot; that was being sold for coming Eid because I like to make the sweet. Durga Puja is celebrated here by everyone including muslims. So why then people like A-jay keep on harping on Muslims been targeted here and so we deserve the attack on Mumbai?

That is beside the point. My point is, every religion is minority in some country and majority in another. And minorities in every country get harassed either directly or indirectly; and that is not due to their religion but because they are less in number. This sounds bad but that is a reality. Even in western countries, you will find minority groups which are regularly complaining of harassment.

But except Muslim majority countries, no majority country supports or helps terrorist attack on another country where they are the minorities. Can you deny that? And as for facts, I can give you many but you will deny them as biased because they are from western or Indian media. As for the media in your country, can you tell me why Shahriyar Kabir was arrested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same I can say about Kolkata. I personally today brought &#8220;semai&#8221; that was being sold for coming Eid because I like to make the sweet. Durga Puja is celebrated here by everyone including muslims. So why then people like A-jay keep on harping on Muslims been targeted here and so we deserve the attack on Mumbai?</p>
<p>That is beside the point. My point is, every religion is minority in some country and majority in another. And minorities in every country get harassed either directly or indirectly; and that is not due to their religion but because they are less in number. This sounds bad but that is a reality. Even in western countries, you will find minority groups which are regularly complaining of harassment.</p>
<p>But except Muslim majority countries, no majority country supports or helps terrorist attack on another country where they are the minorities. Can you deny that? And as for facts, I can give you many but you will deny them as biased because they are from western or Indian media. As for the media in your country, can you tell me why Shahriyar Kabir was arrested?</p>
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		<title>By: Shadeen</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/28/india-mistakes-media-and-mumbai/comment-page-5/#comment-1536569</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chaitali das,
i live in dhaka. and your accusations that hindus cannot live safely in bangladesh is simply baseless. bangladesh is the most secular country in the whole region. in my country there are mosques and mandirs just beside it. pujas and eids get the same importance from our govt. about your fathers relative being shot. the pakistani army did that and you forgot to mention that during tha war muslims were also killed by the paksitanis. so please make all facts clear in the blog or people are going to start thinking that bangladesh is also another country where minorities are tortured</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chaitali das,<br />
i live in dhaka. and your accusations that hindus cannot live safely in bangladesh is simply baseless. bangladesh is the most secular country in the whole region. in my country there are mosques and mandirs just beside it. pujas and eids get the same importance from our govt. about your fathers relative being shot. the pakistani army did that and you forgot to mention that during tha war muslims were also killed by the paksitanis. so please make all facts clear in the blog or people are going to start thinking that bangladesh is also another country where minorities are tortured</p>
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		<title>By: Shadeen</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/28/india-mistakes-media-and-mumbai/comment-page-5/#comment-1536567</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dario,
you are saying thAt muslims are killing themselves and then the muslim terrorist are targeting helpless american,bristishs etc. if so is the case then can you tell me what is going on in iraq,afghanistan,chechnia,arakan,philistine,lebanon?
what is happening there? millions of muslims are killed every year! out of them maybe 5000 are terrorists but what about the other people. arent they helpless. if islam is a religion of terrorsits, whose hobby is to kill innocent,helpless americans, then why is islam the fastest growing religion in the USA? i have in my life heard  for the first time a european newspaper to be biased towards muslim. really funny. terrorists have no religion. does the quran say &quot;go and kill innocent people&quot; no it doesnt. but people like you try to potray that. there are blacksheeps in every community,religion. but it is always muslim terrorists who the media tend to pick up .in gujrat muslims were burnt alive, why ? because politicians manupulated normal peoples feelings and encouraged hindus to do so. so please refrain for blaming the whole muslim community for the sins that a few headless terrorists have commited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dario,<br />
you are saying thAt muslims are killing themselves and then the muslim terrorist are targeting helpless american,bristishs etc. if so is the case then can you tell me what is going on in iraq,afghanistan,chechnia,arakan,philistine,lebanon?<br />
what is happening there? millions of muslims are killed every year! out of them maybe 5000 are terrorists but what about the other people. arent they helpless. if islam is a religion of terrorsits, whose hobby is to kill innocent,helpless americans, then why is islam the fastest growing religion in the USA? i have in my life heard  for the first time a european newspaper to be biased towards muslim. really funny. terrorists have no religion. does the quran say &#8220;go and kill innocent people&#8221; no it doesnt. but people like you try to potray that. there are blacksheeps in every community,religion. but it is always muslim terrorists who the media tend to pick up .in gujrat muslims were burnt alive, why ? because politicians manupulated normal peoples feelings and encouraged hindus to do so. so please refrain for blaming the whole muslim community for the sins that a few headless terrorists have commited.</p>
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		<title>By: Yorkali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yorkali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article, loved the dialogue after. Well done Javits. At the end of the day, it&#039;s all about ratings. The sooner we realize the reality of our situation. The better. And what pray tell is that reality. The smokescreen that we call the news is merely &quot;gussied up&quot; entertainment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, loved the dialogue after. Well done Javits. At the end of the day, it&#8217;s all about ratings. The sooner we realize the reality of our situation. The better. And what pray tell is that reality. The smokescreen that we call the news is merely &#8220;gussied up&#8221; entertainment.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaitali Das</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/28/india-mistakes-media-and-mumbai/comment-page-5/#comment-1536455</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaitali Das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answering Mr A-Jay, I like to say that my grandmother was from Bangladesh and was driven out from there in the 50&#039;s because she was a Hindu. Another relative from my father&#039;s side who stayed in Chittagong was shot dead during the Liberation of Bangladesh in their home because they were Hindus. I have also, from time to time, come across many families even in recent times who have left Bangladesh because their daughters were not safe there being Hindu.

Now tell me, should I start giving money and support to Hindu groups who will avenge them by bombing innocent people in Dhaka. Because that is exactly, according to you is the reason for Mumbai attack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answering Mr A-Jay, I like to say that my grandmother was from Bangladesh and was driven out from there in the 50&#8217;s because she was a Hindu. Another relative from my father&#8217;s side who stayed in Chittagong was shot dead during the Liberation of Bangladesh in their home because they were Hindus. I have also, from time to time, come across many families even in recent times who have left Bangladesh because their daughters were not safe there being Hindu.</p>
<p>Now tell me, should I start giving money and support to Hindu groups who will avenge them by bombing innocent people in Dhaka. Because that is exactly, according to you is the reason for Mumbai attack</p>
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		<title>By: India: Mistakes, Media and Mumbai - Times Topics Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>India: Mistakes, Media and Mumbai - Times Topics Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The terror attacks have brought more media attention to Mumbai. The world is now aware and cautious of the situations in India. Many countries have already issued travel advisory for the visitors to India. The English Cricket team has called off its participation in the upcoming test series. And the world-at-large probably has already forgotten and moved on to worry about other things. [link] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The terror attacks have brought more media attention to Mumbai. The world is now aware and cautious of the situations in India. Many countries have already issued travel advisory for the visitors to India. The English Cricket team has called off its participation in the upcoming test series. And the world-at-large probably has already forgotten and moved on to worry about other things. [link] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dario</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/28/india-mistakes-media-and-mumbai/comment-page-4/#comment-1536432</link>
		<dc:creator>Dario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey A-Jay, if I would be you, I would choose something more balanced than The Guardian to quote from. What did you expect them to say? That the Muslims are those to be blamed? Come in, this means you don&#039;t really know what The Guardian is about - it is one of the most biased newspapers in the UK, singled out time and again for it&#039;s continous distortion of reality. It works like this: they have a very strong opinion just like yourself (i.e. everybody else is guilty, except for the Musilms), and following that opinion they write their articles, they quote people, etc. Please look for something more profound to quote from - The Guardian does not account. Also, regarding this specific quote, there are real cases of injustice every where, most of them committed by Muslims and people who support them like Chavez and others. Still, I do not see anyone except Muslims going out with rifles, granades, explosives and kill by the hundreds, although they meant thousands. Don&#039;t you see there is something that has gone terribly wrong with the Muslims? Don&#039;t you understand that the fact that Muslims are sure that taking the life of innocent people who have nothing to do with anything, just because they observe a different culture and/or religion than Islam, is just the worst form of racism? This is something you should condemn instead of condomning it all the time and looking for poor excuses like the ones that The Guardian is providing you. But we all know that looking for excuses style &quot;the raped women is the one to be blamed&quot; is widespread and accepted in the Muslim traditional culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey A-Jay, if I would be you, I would choose something more balanced than The Guardian to quote from. What did you expect them to say? That the Muslims are those to be blamed? Come in, this means you don&#8217;t really know what The Guardian is about &#8211; it is one of the most biased newspapers in the UK, singled out time and again for it&#8217;s continous distortion of reality. It works like this: they have a very strong opinion just like yourself (i.e. everybody else is guilty, except for the Musilms), and following that opinion they write their articles, they quote people, etc. Please look for something more profound to quote from &#8211; The Guardian does not account. Also, regarding this specific quote, there are real cases of injustice every where, most of them committed by Muslims and people who support them like Chavez and others. Still, I do not see anyone except Muslims going out with rifles, granades, explosives and kill by the hundreds, although they meant thousands. Don&#8217;t you see there is something that has gone terribly wrong with the Muslims? Don&#8217;t you understand that the fact that Muslims are sure that taking the life of innocent people who have nothing to do with anything, just because they observe a different culture and/or religion than Islam, is just the worst form of racism? This is something you should condemn instead of condomning it all the time and looking for poor excuses like the ones that The Guardian is providing you. But we all know that looking for excuses style &#8220;the raped women is the one to be blamed&#8221; is widespread and accepted in the Muslim traditional culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Lockman</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/28/india-mistakes-media-and-mumbai/comment-page-4/#comment-1536384</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Lockman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is also necessary to take stock of how the British and US media covered the Mumbai tragedy.

London&#039;s Evening Standard on 28 November, besides The Daily Mirror and The Telegraph on the 29th November were all keen to claim a scoop for reporting an alleged (but unsubstantiated) link between the culprits in Mumbai with Britain&#039;s Muslim communities. 

One is surprised how armchair commentators are being accorded spotlight for idle second guessing and lazy finger pointing. Among hasty commentators, Douglas Murray wrote a comment piece in the Daily Express dated on the 29th November, while Ed Hussain volunteered his two cent&#039;s worth on Channel Four News on the 29th November.      

Sections of the US electronic media too appeared desperate to offer anything that could attract viewers to their channels. On Friday 28 November,CNN&#039;s Sitauaion Room was still running several hours old footage as live, &#039;breaking news.&#039;  Perhaps  the ethical need to clearly identify items recorded earlier was set aside in the rush for ratings. Credibility did not appear as a high priority during those hours for many eager to jump the guessing game bandwagon.      

Think tanks and the media, which advance “form over substance, celebrity over ideas” plague the public discourse, warn Stefan Halper and Jonathan Clarke adding: At times of crisis, the nuanced and expert advice of — &quot;career professionals, scholars, analysts and others working in government and at universities and think tanks — is sidelined or ignored, while emotional sloganeering is amplified by 24/7 cable news and Internet chatter that prize raucous confrontations between fervent avatars of the right and the left. Reasoned analysis is shoved to the sidelines, and critics of the party or faction in power are often accused of being unpatriotic or disloyal.&quot;

Can one expect that views of genuine experts will be solicited by the media to offer cautious, well-informed and learned opinion about something they have evidence for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is also necessary to take stock of how the British and US media covered the Mumbai tragedy.</p>
<p>London&#8217;s Evening Standard on 28 November, besides The Daily Mirror and The Telegraph on the 29th November were all keen to claim a scoop for reporting an alleged (but unsubstantiated) link between the culprits in Mumbai with Britain&#8217;s Muslim communities. </p>
<p>One is surprised how armchair commentators are being accorded spotlight for idle second guessing and lazy finger pointing. Among hasty commentators, Douglas Murray wrote a comment piece in the Daily Express dated on the 29th November, while Ed Hussain volunteered his two cent&#8217;s worth on Channel Four News on the 29th November.      </p>
<p>Sections of the US electronic media too appeared desperate to offer anything that could attract viewers to their channels. On Friday 28 November,CNN&#8217;s Sitauaion Room was still running several hours old footage as live, &#8216;breaking news.&#8217;  Perhaps  the ethical need to clearly identify items recorded earlier was set aside in the rush for ratings. Credibility did not appear as a high priority during those hours for many eager to jump the guessing game bandwagon.      </p>
<p>Think tanks and the media, which advance “form over substance, celebrity over ideas” plague the public discourse, warn Stefan Halper and Jonathan Clarke adding: At times of crisis, the nuanced and expert advice of — &#8220;career professionals, scholars, analysts and others working in government and at universities and think tanks — is sidelined or ignored, while emotional sloganeering is amplified by 24/7 cable news and Internet chatter that prize raucous confrontations between fervent avatars of the right and the left. Reasoned analysis is shoved to the sidelines, and critics of the party or faction in power are often accused of being unpatriotic or disloyal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can one expect that views of genuine experts will be solicited by the media to offer cautious, well-informed and learned opinion about something they have evidence for?</p>
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		<title>By: A-jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>A-jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dario,@ella:
For the people still commenting biased, and for the minds still needs to grow up, please read the comments posted on Sunday November 30 in Guardian Uk by the Literary Prize winner William Dalrymple. This person knows a lot about the subcontinent situation and he regularly visits India, Pakistan Middleast.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/30/mumbai-terror-attacks-india1

According to him 
&quot;India meanwhile continues to make matters worse by its ill-treatment of the people of Kashmir, which has handed to the jihadis an entire generation of educated, angry middle-class Muslims. One of the clean-shaven boys who attacked CST railway station - now named by the Indian media as Mohammad Ajmal Mohammad Amin Kasab, from Faridkot in the Pakistani Punjab - was wearing a Versace T-shirt. The other boys in the operation wore jeans and Nikes and were described by eyewitnesses as chikna or well-off. These were not poor, madrasah-educated Pakistanis from the villages, brainwashed by mullahs, but angry and well-educated, middle-class kids furious at the gross injustice they perceive being done to Muslims by Israel, the US, the UK and India in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Kashmir respectively.&quot; He adds &quot;In the months ahead, we are likely to see a security crackdown in India and huge pressure applied to Pakistan to match its pro-Indian and pro-Western rhetoric with real action against the country&#039;s jihadi groups. But there is unlikely to be peace in South Asia until the demands of the Kashmiris are in some measure addressed and the swamp of grievance in Srinagar somehow drained. Until then, the Mumbai massacres may be a harbinger of more violence to come.&quot;
Now can you please read the matter posted by me.? Are we still able to get to the roots of the problem?
Please take some time and get yourself educated about the subcontinet and Middleeast political situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dario,@ella:<br />
For the people still commenting biased, and for the minds still needs to grow up, please read the comments posted on Sunday November 30 in Guardian Uk by the Literary Prize winner William Dalrymple. This person knows a lot about the subcontinent situation and he regularly visits India, Pakistan Middleast.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/30/mumbai-terror-attacks-india1" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/30/mumbai-terror-attacks-india1</a></p>
<p>According to him<br />
&#8220;India meanwhile continues to make matters worse by its ill-treatment of the people of Kashmir, which has handed to the jihadis an entire generation of educated, angry middle-class Muslims. One of the clean-shaven boys who attacked CST railway station &#8211; now named by the Indian media as Mohammad Ajmal Mohammad Amin Kasab, from Faridkot in the Pakistani Punjab &#8211; was wearing a Versace T-shirt. The other boys in the operation wore jeans and Nikes and were described by eyewitnesses as chikna or well-off. These were not poor, madrasah-educated Pakistanis from the villages, brainwashed by mullahs, but angry and well-educated, middle-class kids furious at the gross injustice they perceive being done to Muslims by Israel, the US, the UK and India in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Kashmir respectively.&#8221; He adds &#8220;In the months ahead, we are likely to see a security crackdown in India and huge pressure applied to Pakistan to match its pro-Indian and pro-Western rhetoric with real action against the country&#8217;s jihadi groups. But there is unlikely to be peace in South Asia until the demands of the Kashmiris are in some measure addressed and the swamp of grievance in Srinagar somehow drained. Until then, the Mumbai massacres may be a harbinger of more violence to come.&#8221;<br />
Now can you please read the matter posted by me.? Are we still able to get to the roots of the problem?<br />
Please take some time and get yourself educated about the subcontinet and Middleeast political situation.</p>
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		<title>By: ella</title>
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		<dc:creator>ella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ jack snyder

Od course, americans are so naive and/or stupid that they still lead in science and technology.  

As for american newsmen who stay at american hotel - last year BBC was covering events in Pakistan (a fight between army and tribal people).  Their  reporter said that they could reach the the place only by helicopter. At the same time a reporter from Denmark made unobstructed way there driving by car on the road. You also forgot, conveniently, long dead journalist, Daniel Pearl, who did not stay at the american hotels - he ended up dead.

finally you are forgetting that most journalists are using a &quot;natives&quot; to help them find their way around, for knowledge of people/customs and sometimes for translation purposes. 

JZ 
Give me a break.  The biggest number of muslims killed is killed by their brothers, muslims. 

And finally, I hope that we all will get a good information who, exactly, did the atrocities in Mumbai, but at the moment everything points out on muslim terrorist group probably backed by pakistan.</description>
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<p>Od course, americans are so naive and/or stupid that they still lead in science and technology.  </p>
<p>As for american newsmen who stay at american hotel &#8211; last year BBC was covering events in Pakistan (a fight between army and tribal people).  Their  reporter said that they could reach the the place only by helicopter. At the same time a reporter from Denmark made unobstructed way there driving by car on the road. You also forgot, conveniently, long dead journalist, Daniel Pearl, who did not stay at the american hotels &#8211; he ended up dead.</p>
<p>finally you are forgetting that most journalists are using a &#8220;natives&#8221; to help them find their way around, for knowledge of people/customs and sometimes for translation purposes. </p>
<p>JZ<br />
Give me a break.  The biggest number of muslims killed is killed by their brothers, muslims. </p>
<p>And finally, I hope that we all will get a good information who, exactly, did the atrocities in Mumbai, but at the moment everything points out on muslim terrorist group probably backed by pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: jack snyder</title>
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		<dc:creator>jack snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans are either a naive or stupid lot. Last month some voted for a man who did not know how many houses he owned and for a lady that did not own a passport until last year. Most idea of foreign affairs is eating at a TexMex all you can eat cafe where at least the waiter speaks Spanish. 

When American newsmen visit India they stay at an American hotel and do as little real investigative reporting as possible. If the body count is not American most good Christian White people do not give a bug. 

Do you expect Americans to have some historical knowledge of India, most do not know who is buried in Lincoln&#039;s tomb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans are either a naive or stupid lot. Last month some voted for a man who did not know how many houses he owned and for a lady that did not own a passport until last year. Most idea of foreign affairs is eating at a TexMex all you can eat cafe where at least the waiter speaks Spanish. </p>
<p>When American newsmen visit India they stay at an American hotel and do as little real investigative reporting as possible. If the body count is not American most good Christian White people do not give a bug. </p>
<p>Do you expect Americans to have some historical knowledge of India, most do not know who is buried in Lincoln&#8217;s tomb.</p>
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		<title>By: Dario</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, A-Jay, the old trick of blaming the victim does not work anymore, didn&#039;t they tell you? It still works when Muslims are blaming Israel in the UN, but that&#039;s it. Nobody else will take that s... anymore from you or your peers. You mention \sisters and mother have been raped, or father, brothers, sons and daughters killed...\. Do you know how many Christian sisters, mothers and daughters are being raped on a daily basis by the Muslim Palestinians?? It is hard to find one that has not been raped in their territories, specially in the area of Bettlehem. Also, more Muslims are killed on the hands of Muslims than on the hands of anyone else. Still, nobody else goes out and target helpless Americans, British and Jews by the hundreds, although your kind friends from Pakistan actually intended thousands. So don&#039;t give us that crap saying \look inside yourself to find those who are guilty\ - this is an old Muslim trick that takes advantage of the way of thinking of the modern, civilized world, but it does not work anymore. We know this is a retarded interpretation of the Islam that is taking over the mentality of those youngsters who actually grew up in Muslim controlled areas, and it&#039;s there where we should look for those who are responsible. They and only they are the attackers, the perpetrators, the murderers, the blood thirsty monsters, and that&#039;s it. No one else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, A-Jay, the old trick of blaming the victim does not work anymore, didn&#8217;t they tell you? It still works when Muslims are blaming Israel in the UN, but that&#8217;s it. Nobody else will take that s&#8230; anymore from you or your peers. You mention \sisters and mother have been raped, or father, brothers, sons and daughters killed&#8230;\. Do you know how many Christian sisters, mothers and daughters are being raped on a daily basis by the Muslim Palestinians?? It is hard to find one that has not been raped in their territories, specially in the area of Bettlehem. Also, more Muslims are killed on the hands of Muslims than on the hands of anyone else. Still, nobody else goes out and target helpless Americans, British and Jews by the hundreds, although your kind friends from Pakistan actually intended thousands. So don&#8217;t give us that crap saying \look inside yourself to find those who are guilty\ &#8211; this is an old Muslim trick that takes advantage of the way of thinking of the modern, civilized world, but it does not work anymore. We know this is a retarded interpretation of the Islam that is taking over the mentality of those youngsters who actually grew up in Muslim controlled areas, and it&#8217;s there where we should look for those who are responsible. They and only they are the attackers, the perpetrators, the murderers, the blood thirsty monsters, and that&#8217;s it. No one else.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Post Mumbai terror attacks &#171; Random Rambles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] People have also been getting their news from citizen journalists through twitter, flickr and blogs. The internet has become such an important means for transmitting news that the main stream media [...]</description>
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