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	<title>Comments on: Armenia: Bloggers Throw Funeral at Georgian Embassy</title>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onnik Krikorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, Simon, two mosques? I only thought there was one -- the Iranian Blue Mosque on Mashtots. Where&#039;s the other one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, Simon, two mosques? I only thought there was one &#8212; the Iranian Blue Mosque on Mashtots. Where&#8217;s the other one?</p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onnik Krikorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, I totally agree, but those bloggers who did the action are trying to push the destruction of churches in Tbilisi during the Soviet era as part of some nasty Georgian conspiracy. My point is that the same thing happened to Armenian churches as well as mosques here as well. Anyways, which is the Georgian church? Not Kobayr, I guess. It&#039;s full of Georgian inscriptions, but people say it&#039;s Armenian. To be honest, that sounds a bit weird, but on the other hand I can&#039;t find any reference to it being Georgian on the Internet. I&#039;d like to find the Georgian churches, however, and also Azerbaijani graveyards. Any idea where they are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, I totally agree, but those bloggers who did the action are trying to push the destruction of churches in Tbilisi during the Soviet era as part of some nasty Georgian conspiracy. My point is that the same thing happened to Armenian churches as well as mosques here as well. Anyways, which is the Georgian church? Not Kobayr, I guess. It&#8217;s full of Georgian inscriptions, but people say it&#8217;s Armenian. To be honest, that sounds a bit weird, but on the other hand I can&#8217;t find any reference to it being Georgian on the Internet. I&#8217;d like to find the Georgian churches, however, and also Azerbaijani graveyards. Any idea where they are?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Maghakyan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Maghakyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is at least one Georgian church that I know of - almost in ruins - in northern Armenia which was (as of a few years ago) used as a storage area by locals - something that some consider desecration. It has some Georgian inscriptions and was built by a a Georgian queen.

Coming to Mosques, Yerevan also had several dozen churches (now has a handful). Many places of worship were destroyed during the Soviet times (including some Armenian churches in Georgia). So, Onnik, you can&#039;t say &quot;Armenians&quot; have only left two mosques in Yerevan. But I think what needs to be done is a research that documents the history of mosques in Yerevan. I&#039;d like to  see something like that.

To answer Lisa&#039;s general question, Armenians have had a long presence in Georgia, and along with Russians consisted majority in Tbilisi in the 19th century. So Georgians were a minority in Tbilisi at that time, and Armenians were a minority in Yerevan the same time, and Azeris were a minority in Baku at the same time. Nationalism changed it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is at least one Georgian church that I know of &#8211; almost in ruins &#8211; in northern Armenia which was (as of a few years ago) used as a storage area by locals &#8211; something that some consider desecration. It has some Georgian inscriptions and was built by a a Georgian queen.</p>
<p>Coming to Mosques, Yerevan also had several dozen churches (now has a handful). Many places of worship were destroyed during the Soviet times (including some Armenian churches in Georgia). So, Onnik, you can&#8217;t say &#8220;Armenians&#8221; have only left two mosques in Yerevan. But I think what needs to be done is a research that documents the history of mosques in Yerevan. I&#8217;d like to  see something like that.</p>
<p>To answer Lisa&#8217;s general question, Armenians have had a long presence in Georgia, and along with Russians consisted majority in Tbilisi in the 19th century. So Georgians were a minority in Tbilisi at that time, and Armenians were a minority in Yerevan the same time, and Azeris were a minority in Baku at the same time. Nationalism changed it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onnik Krikorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, found this about Georgian churches in Armenia:

&lt;blockquote&gt;As the Georgian Diocese of the Armenian Apostolic Church told ArmeniaNow, in late April Holy Echmiadzin indeed asked the Georgian Orthodox Church to transfer under its jurisdiction six idling Armenian churches in the territory of Georgia. The matter concerned five churches situated in Tbilisi (Norashen, Mugnetsots Surb Gevorg, Surb Minas, Karmir Avetaranots, Surb Nshan) and the church of Surb Nshan situated within the limits of the town of Akhaltsikh. This initiative of the Armenian side aroused indignation of the Georgian Orthodox Church as a result of which the latter demanded a transfer under its protection six orthodox chapels in Armenia.

“The Armenian Apostolic Church had no other option, as we become witnesses of a policy of mass Georgianization of Armenian churches in the territory of Georgia and there is a necessity simply to save the cultural heritage of the Armenian people,” representative of the Georgian Diocese of the Armenian Apostolic Church Fr. Narek Ghushyan said in an ArmeniaNow interview. “Unlike many countries, including Armenia, Georgia has no law on religious freedoms and therefore the Georgian Synod considers the activities of, in particular, the Armenian Apostolic Church in its territory not quite competent. We do not mind providing the Georgian side with orthodox churches situated in the territory of Armenia, however we are not content with the aggressive nature of the Georgian Orthodox Church’s policy.”

Presumably, this problem will be discussed during the visit of Patriarch-Catholicos of All Armenians Karekin II to Georgia planned for the near future. As an assistant to the bishop of the Georgian diocese of the Armenian Apostolic Church said in an interview with “Rezonansi”, the issue of the status of Georgian churches in the territory of Armenia has not been discussed yet. But Holy Echmiadzin provided a small Georgian community one of the churches in Yerevan for performing liturgies according to an orthodox rite.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://armenianow.com/?action=viewArticle&amp;AID=1616&amp;CID=1731&amp;IID=&amp;lng=eng</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, found this about Georgian churches in Armenia:</p>
<blockquote><p>As the Georgian Diocese of the Armenian Apostolic Church told ArmeniaNow, in late April Holy Echmiadzin indeed asked the Georgian Orthodox Church to transfer under its jurisdiction six idling Armenian churches in the territory of Georgia. The matter concerned five churches situated in Tbilisi (Norashen, Mugnetsots Surb Gevorg, Surb Minas, Karmir Avetaranots, Surb Nshan) and the church of Surb Nshan situated within the limits of the town of Akhaltsikh. This initiative of the Armenian side aroused indignation of the Georgian Orthodox Church as a result of which the latter demanded a transfer under its protection six orthodox chapels in Armenia.</p>
<p>“The Armenian Apostolic Church had no other option, as we become witnesses of a policy of mass Georgianization of Armenian churches in the territory of Georgia and there is a necessity simply to save the cultural heritage of the Armenian people,” representative of the Georgian Diocese of the Armenian Apostolic Church Fr. Narek Ghushyan said in an ArmeniaNow interview. “Unlike many countries, including Armenia, Georgia has no law on religious freedoms and therefore the Georgian Synod considers the activities of, in particular, the Armenian Apostolic Church in its territory not quite competent. We do not mind providing the Georgian side with orthodox churches situated in the territory of Armenia, however we are not content with the aggressive nature of the Georgian Orthodox Church’s policy.”</p>
<p>Presumably, this problem will be discussed during the visit of Patriarch-Catholicos of All Armenians Karekin II to Georgia planned for the near future. As an assistant to the bishop of the Georgian diocese of the Armenian Apostolic Church said in an interview with “Rezonansi”, the issue of the status of Georgian churches in the territory of Armenia has not been discussed yet. But Holy Echmiadzin provided a small Georgian community one of the churches in Yerevan for performing liturgies according to an orthodox rite.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://armenianow.com/?action=viewArticle&#038;AID=1616&#038;CID=1731&#038;IID=&#038;lng=eng" rel="nofollow">http://armenianow.com/?action=viewArticle&#038;AID=1616&#038;CID=1731&#038;IID=&#038;lng=eng</a></p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/27/armenia-bloggers-throw-funeral-at-georgian-embassy/comment-page-1/#comment-1535695</link>
		<dc:creator>Onnik Krikorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW: It should be remembered that the number of Georgians in Armenia is really insignificant in size. Even the largest minority, the Yezidis, only number 42,000 with Assyrians and Molokans less than 10,000 combined (in total, minorities make up 2 percent of the population following the tit-for-tat expulsions and exodus of Azerbaijanis from Armenia and vice-versa). In Georgia, Armenians make up 5.7 percent of the population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW: It should be remembered that the number of Georgians in Armenia is really insignificant in size. Even the largest minority, the Yezidis, only number 42,000 with Assyrians and Molokans less than 10,000 combined (in total, minorities make up 2 percent of the population following the tit-for-tat expulsions and exodus of Azerbaijanis from Armenia and vice-versa). In Georgia, Armenians make up 5.7 percent of the population.</p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onnik Krikorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, I don&#039;t know about Georgian churches, but there used to be 14 mosques which don&#039;t exist now. Saw photos of the Azerbaijani ones from the first quarter of the 20th Century in Kond, a district of Yerevan, but now the minarets have gone and they&#039;ve been turned into houses. 

http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2005/12/18/living-in-a-mosque/

As it stands, there&#039;s only one mosque standing (and working), and that&#039;s Iranian. Otherwise, I&#039;ve wondered about whether there were Georgian churches in Armenia, but haven&#039;t been able to find anything on the Internet. Otherwise, I would personally agree that the blogger action was part of an agenda against Georgia.

However, the actual desecration of the church in Tbilisi is wrong. Unfortunately, nationalism breeds nationalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, I don&#8217;t know about Georgian churches, but there used to be 14 mosques which don&#8217;t exist now. Saw photos of the Azerbaijani ones from the first quarter of the 20th Century in Kond, a district of Yerevan, but now the minarets have gone and they&#8217;ve been turned into houses. </p>
<p><a href="http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2005/12/18/living-in-a-mosque/" rel="nofollow">http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2005/12/18/living-in-a-mosque/</a></p>
<p>As it stands, there&#8217;s only one mosque standing (and working), and that&#8217;s Iranian. Otherwise, I&#8217;ve wondered about whether there were Georgian churches in Armenia, but haven&#8217;t been able to find anything on the Internet. Otherwise, I would personally agree that the blogger action was part of an agenda against Georgia.</p>
<p>However, the actual desecration of the church in Tbilisi is wrong. Unfortunately, nationalism breeds nationalism.</p>
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		<title>By: lisa snyder</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wonder is there any georgian church, Georgian school or a georgian theatre in Armenia? Georgia has numerous armenian churches, schools and a theatre for them in Tbilisi and other cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wonder is there any georgian church, Georgian school or a georgian theatre in Armenia? Georgia has numerous armenian churches, schools and a theatre for them in Tbilisi and other cities.</p>
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		<title>By: lisa snyder</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/27/armenia-bloggers-throw-funeral-at-georgian-embassy/comment-page-1/#comment-1535502</link>
		<dc:creator>lisa snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Armeia has got an agenda agaist georgia for a long time and someone needs to stop them now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armeia has got an agenda agaist georgia for a long time and someone needs to stop them now!</p>
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		<title>By: lisa snyder</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>t about the physical distruction of georgians by Armenians in Abkhazia?

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-152958</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t about the physical distruction of georgians by Armenians in Abkhazia?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-152958" rel="nofollow">http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-152958</a></p>
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		<title>By: Armenia &#38; the South Caucasus &#124; The Caucasian Knot &#187; Georgia: Global Voices on Armenian Church Desecration Scandal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armenia &#38; the South Caucasus &#124; The Caucasian Knot &#187; Georgia: Global Voices on Armenian Church Desecration Scandal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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