You said: “so you do not have the right to lecture in this issue since you yourself is doing this .”
Was that not an accusation?

Anyway… I don’t know, I still think it’s wrong to generalize. And btw I didn’t mean ‘shame’ in the bad sense of the word. I meant to say ‘unfortunate’.

Regardz

to answer your question: the other alternative which i belive should have happened was exactly what had happened on the guy’s blog: DEBATING. not lecturing -NOT YOU- about the ideas he holds on his mind…

and to elicit something as well, you said “Actually, discussing this subject in public is kind of dumb/arrogant of him”, i think the opposite, i think we are lucky that he did open his mind and talked about it..now if he didn’t speak his mind PUBLICALLY, and OPENLY .. how could we know that such an idea does exist??

beside saying :”that he didn’t deserve to be reprimanded”?? reprimanded? i don’t agree on this particular thing of reprimanding any blogger , whatever he says. whatever he writes. i believe “debating” is the only right we have to use among each other.

this is what i belive. i’ve got nothing more to add,
and to write about what i believe in doesn’t mean i’m denying any blogger’s right in anything.. i’m JUST stating an openion as well in what had been written. you might take it, you might not.

Best Regards

So what’s the alternative in your opinion? You want me to stay silent in case I read something that disturbed me deeply? No. I am sorry I can’t. And you can’t deny me that right!

And who’s generalizing here, me who said that each one of us has his/her own unique set of ideas or you who said that all of us (me, Razan and Yazan…and probably others) are trying to indirectly delete the other?

Again, I am not trying to silence anybody. Let Ahmad post again about hacking. It’s his right, I will simply respond to him once again (I don’t know about Yazan and Razan, they might have gotten bored by that time). Let him post about hacking and destroying other blogs thousands times. I will still respond to him through virtual channels and it will never occur to me to ask for his own blog to be hacked in to.

It’s a shame that you can’t really make the distinction.

Now with regards to your last statement about alien ideas and how exposing them to sunlight will help to purify and sterilize them. I couldn’t agree more! However, I personally feel that as a responsible adult I should try and exert some self control and ward off bad ideas when they occur to me… but that’s only me, I don’t ask anybody to conform to me…

Best regards

I will go back to the first comment I left on your blog, two faces for the same coin. I wasn’t talking about “do I support his call or not” , coz defiantly no one would support it, It’s out of the question , I was talking about that this call is one form of deleting the others, which of course was direct and has reached the red line, but at the same time there is a wave among the Syrian bloggers doing another forms of deleting the others, indirectly , but at the end, at least for me, they pour in the same category. so you do not have the right to lecture in this issue since you yourself is doing this .
But it seems that you or yazan do not identify these indirect behavoiurs and the direct call under the same category, and that’s why you disagree with me. But I simply see it this way .

And believe me even those ideas which you think they are “outrageous” precedent or what ever, should and must be spoken out , must see the light and breathe the air,
لأن ضوء الشمس لاتعمل فقط على القضاء على الأجسام الغريبة في الهواء و التراب الذي نقف عليه، وانما تعمل أيضا على القضاء على الأجزاء الغريبة في فكر الأنسان.

excuse me to ask why I should feel offended?
Regards

Your opinions today are only one frame in a long movie … who knows, maybe Wassim will become a communist two years from now and Yazan will cut his hair and grow his beard.

Razan el-3azeemeh … I would love to know what she will be advocating few years from now.

DJ will not change : )

And I have not read everything above, but I think I understand more or less what you are arguing about.

My opinion is that younger Syrian bloggers (most of you) are much more tolerant of diversity than older Syrians I got to know.

Don’t be too harsh on each other.

First of all let’s all agree that there are no sides here, every one of us has a unique set of ideas. If we are really divided between the religious and the secular, then two blogs would have been enough to represent Syria, the rest would be cheer leaders (actually now that I think of it, Wassim (Maysaloon) would make a perfect cheerleader, he shouts loud but make little sense, a cheerleading skirt would fit him nicely, preferably with a jockstrap since I am about to kick his butt….)

So we’re not really divided, ‘continuum’ is a perfect word truly spoken by Abu Kareem. What shot the hair on the back of my neck straight is a PRECEDENT. One Syrian blogger calling for the destruction of blogs that, according to him, are anti-religious (or immoral). As far as I know, he sat a precedent by discussing this matter openly. But you on the other hand said that since he didn’t really do it, and was convinced at the end of the discussion to retract, that he didn’t deserve to be reprimanded. Omniya, I think you’re wrong here. Are we supposed to wait for him to do the deed so then we’d talk about it? Actually, discussing this subject in public is kind of dumb/arrogant of him. It’s sinister and it’s ominous.

Take my own case for example if you will, I rarely read Syrian blogs or interact with others bloggers than Abu Fares and the rest. Even Razan’s blog for that matter, there are gazillion things that me and Razan don’t agree upon, and we actually had our fair share of fights before. And I think I neglected her blog recently and she reciprocated, and I could have done the same for Ahmad’s blog should the matter have been about anything else, well, Ahmad’s suggestion was like an inter-continental missile which, if in case it got activated, it will be a source of concern for everybody (combined with a perceived committee for assessing moralities or the lack of them for each and every blog). I might wake up one day and see that a group of die-hard hackers are calling for my blog to be shut or destroyed. This is what made me angry ya Omniya. And I don’t speak for Yazan but I think it’s the same reason he’s angry too…

Again Omniya, I respect you and I value your input very much. And in case you felt offended by whatever I said, please accept my sincere apology. Thanks

Yazan,
i can not stop my hands from writing this,
I’m really sorry to read that the one who started syplanet and the first guy -who was only 19 – to join all Syrian bloggers under one roof , would use this term of ” the smell of excrement to describe a Syrian blog’s arguments, which to remind you , your own fingures have moved to add its link on the list so everyone can “smell” it with you.
I wouldn’t even allow my brain to get shocked reading these words by any blogger , but you yazan?? this needs a long stop.
Secondly , I checked ahmad’s post for the first time today , and I actually opened my mouth after reading it like this :0..
I can’t believe you Syrian bloggers, how come no one saw that this post is a vivid example of Syrians bloggers debating : TALKING + LISTENING + WITHDRAWING positions.
for god sake , if this is not a healthy picture of youths debating , exchanging ideas, excepting the other , what is debating then????
Thirdly, I honestly don’t know what to reply to your comment. I wish to stop here.
Thank you for your time.

بغض النظر عن رأيي الشخصي, رزان غزاوي هي من كتبت عن مشاكل التدوين العربي في سوريا. أنا جمعت ما كتبه بعض المدونين عن الموضوع.

http://razanghazzawi.com/2008/11/19/20081119/

Omniya, Ahmed called for hackers to destroy blogs he didn’t like, and I called that outrageous, but at no point tried active, called or even mentioned the fact that he deserves not to blog. How is that equal?

Again, I will not speak for Razan. I personally have never moderated or deleted a comment.

Nonetheless, Your blog is your own personal space, you can use it however you want, you can write whatever that comes up to your mind, and to close or not the comment section is also a part of that space. When I feel uneasy about a post, I, having my space can express my “outrage” (since this seems to be my favorite word today) about it. How are you denying me my voice if you close the comments section?

I honestly can’t see the relation.

Nonetheless, I agree completely that there is a trend for more isolation, and I agree that it beats the point in blogging. Nonetheless, I personally feel that the medium expresses itself too. What I mean is that the Syrian blogsphere is still very young, and it is still in the forming stages, there will be a lot of clashes ahead (just take a look at the history of egyptian blogging) but as long as we have joint portals, we will be bound to reading one another and discussing certain issues, and clash over what’s under discussion and what’s not. But for now, this is the dynamics that are at play. Interaction is inevitable, and just like natural selection, the blogs that choose to stay isolated, will be just what they chose, Isolated.