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		<title>By: Global Voices teny Malagasy &#187; Asia Atsimo-Atsinanana: Fifanolanan-kevitra sy voina teo amin’ny taona 2008.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices teny Malagasy &#187; Asia Atsimo-Atsinanana: Fifanolanan-kevitra sy voina teo amin’ny taona 2008.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] iray ny fonja avo lenta. Nahatsiaro ny taloha I Indonezia rehefa nananteraka ny famonoana ireo mpandatsaka baomban&#039;ny Bali. Nandritra io fotoan io izay tamin’ity taona ity no nitondrana tatitra tao Myanmar ireo baomba [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] iray ny fonja avo lenta. Nahatsiaro ny taloha I Indonezia rehefa nananteraka ny famonoana ireo mpandatsaka baomban&#39;ny Bali. Nandritra io fotoan io izay tamin’ity taona ity no nitondrana tatitra tao Myanmar ireo baomba [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Bali Bombers, Mimesis and Me &#171; Beyond Rivalry</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bali Bombers, Mimesis and Me &#171; Beyond Rivalry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have also written &#8220;an open letter encouraging their supporters to retaliate after they are executed,&#8221; naming some specific officials whom they believe should be [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Prasenjit Biswas</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/05/indonesia-execution-of-bali-bombers/comment-page-2/#comment-1537052</link>
		<dc:creator>Prasenjit Biswas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heru&#039;s remarks on Allah stoops so low that it expresses a deadly cocktail of haterd for Islam and a blanket perpetration of detah and torture as a measure of justice! When the executed ones prayed in the language of their faith that redeems them from their own acts of barabarity and the later judicial murder-the sight of which merely smacked of another judicial murder. Whether Allah is Akbar and Jesus is the Redeemer is a question of bigotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heru&#8217;s remarks on Allah stoops so low that it expresses a deadly cocktail of haterd for Islam and a blanket perpetration of detah and torture as a measure of justice! When the executed ones prayed in the language of their faith that redeems them from their own acts of barabarity and the later judicial murder-the sight of which merely smacked of another judicial murder. Whether Allah is Akbar and Jesus is the Redeemer is a question of bigotry.</p>
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		<title>By: Heru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the 3 stooges shouted allahu akbar before they were shot, when the bullets were finally fired into their hearts and seconds before they died, they realized and murmured allah is not akbar after all. sorry guys, your allah couldnt save you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the 3 stooges shouted allahu akbar before they were shot, when the bullets were finally fired into their hearts and seconds before they died, they realized and murmured allah is not akbar after all. sorry guys, your allah couldnt save you.</p>
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		<title>By: Donny G</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/05/indonesia-execution-of-bali-bombers/comment-page-2/#comment-1531545</link>
		<dc:creator>Donny G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever  -  I am an agnostic and the one thing I know is that if there is a God, no God would say that taking the life of 202 innocent people is just - the 3 bombers are evil and their actions were political.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever  &#8211;  I am an agnostic and the one thing I know is that if there is a God, no God would say that taking the life of 202 innocent people is just &#8211; the 3 bombers are evil and their actions were political.</p>
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		<title>By: hengkychu.co.cc &#187; Comment on Indonesia: Execution of Bali bombers by Global Voices &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>hengkychu.co.cc &#187; Comment on Indonesia: Execution of Bali bombers by Global Voices &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: don wreford</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/05/indonesia-execution-of-bali-bombers/comment-page-2/#comment-1530128</link>
		<dc:creator>don wreford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jude, although many sympathize with the death of your loved ones in Bali, it should not be forgotten that estimates of ten to 60 thousand Iraq human beings have died since the invasion, although it would seem as if we whites are superior to all others and death to those who are more expendable, is conjecture and a dubious subjective value system that we are indoctrinated with, it is of great fortune to you that enables us all to share your misfortune. It is a great misfortune that we are unable share the Iraqi feelings of a similar nature, a solution to this problem may be to avoid war and hatred, I am aware this is unacceptable to a lot of people, but it would be a solution to this type of problem. don wreford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jude, although many sympathize with the death of your loved ones in Bali, it should not be forgotten that estimates of ten to 60 thousand Iraq human beings have died since the invasion, although it would seem as if we whites are superior to all others and death to those who are more expendable, is conjecture and a dubious subjective value system that we are indoctrinated with, it is of great fortune to you that enables us all to share your misfortune. It is a great misfortune that we are unable share the Iraqi feelings of a similar nature, a solution to this problem may be to avoid war and hatred, I am aware this is unacceptable to a lot of people, but it would be a solution to this type of problem. don wreford.</p>
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		<title>By: Prasenjit Biswas</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/05/indonesia-execution-of-bali-bombers/comment-page-2/#comment-1530126</link>
		<dc:creator>Prasenjit Biswas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 07:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AN INDIAN POINT OF VIEW

The picture of Bali execution as it is presented makes a recipe for a horrific scene of exhortation by some of the witnesses expressing their exhortation at the extermination of ‘terrorists’. One is reminded of medieval practice of public trials, a bygone cult in a civilized era of democratic system of justice. The sight of kissing at each other ostensibly by White sojourners at the pleasure of seeing the terrorists killed is a combination of virile insensitivity and preserve othering of the native and the culturally different. As the identity of the terrorists presumably is Islamist (namely, Imam Samudra, Amrozi Nurhasyim and Ali Ghufron), presentation of this horrific sight in India only helps stereotyping the community. Bali, being a province lacking a healthy inter-ethnic and inter-cultural relations and Indonesia without having a not so developed liberal system of justice, it is dangerous to present the scene of execution without depicting the arguments about the ill-effects of summary execution and capital punishment. Such a scene encourages extreme rightists and leftists who advocate ‘judicial murder’ of the guilty.

In a country like India, where we are looking for an improved inter-community relations and democratic negotiations of the communal perspective of counter-terror mechanism, the Bali scene enhanced the possibility of mindless counter-terror advocacy and promotes biases against ethnic, religious and cultural minorities. It is ironical that the outcomes of legal proceedings are influenced by cultural and religious biases, which becomes unbridled in the face of a supposed identity between terror and Islam.

What is most abominable is the sight of ‘kissing’ by partying bules as if perpetrating torture and cruelty can be celebrated in a place like Indonesia.</description>
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<p>The picture of Bali execution as it is presented makes a recipe for a horrific scene of exhortation by some of the witnesses expressing their exhortation at the extermination of ‘terrorists’. One is reminded of medieval practice of public trials, a bygone cult in a civilized era of democratic system of justice. The sight of kissing at each other ostensibly by White sojourners at the pleasure of seeing the terrorists killed is a combination of virile insensitivity and preserve othering of the native and the culturally different. As the identity of the terrorists presumably is Islamist (namely, Imam Samudra, Amrozi Nurhasyim and Ali Ghufron), presentation of this horrific sight in India only helps stereotyping the community. Bali, being a province lacking a healthy inter-ethnic and inter-cultural relations and Indonesia without having a not so developed liberal system of justice, it is dangerous to present the scene of execution without depicting the arguments about the ill-effects of summary execution and capital punishment. Such a scene encourages extreme rightists and leftists who advocate ‘judicial murder’ of the guilty.</p>
<p>In a country like India, where we are looking for an improved inter-community relations and democratic negotiations of the communal perspective of counter-terror mechanism, the Bali scene enhanced the possibility of mindless counter-terror advocacy and promotes biases against ethnic, religious and cultural minorities. It is ironical that the outcomes of legal proceedings are influenced by cultural and religious biases, which becomes unbridled in the face of a supposed identity between terror and Islam.</p>
<p>What is most abominable is the sight of ‘kissing’ by partying bules as if perpetrating torture and cruelty can be celebrated in a place like Indonesia.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Indonesia: Bali bombers executed</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/05/indonesia-execution-of-bali-bombers/comment-page-1/#comment-1530064</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Indonesia: Bali bombers executed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] three Bali bombers were executed in Indonesia. Invig advises Australians: &#8220;It is not only hypocritical and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes well we can all say what we feel I lost my dad to these people and it cant come quick enough, except they arent going to suffer as much as my dad or my family are and we are still suffering</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes well we can all say what we feel I lost my dad to these people and it cant come quick enough, except they arent going to suffer as much as my dad or my family are and we are still suffering</p>
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		<title>By: Prof. Gabriele Marranci</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/05/indonesia-execution-of-bali-bombers/comment-page-1/#comment-1529719</link>
		<dc:creator>Prof. Gabriele Marranci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that this execution, as I have written here, &lt;a href=&quot;http://marranci.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/the-high-cost-of-three-bullets-how-to-create-martyrs/#more-149&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The high cost of three bullets: how to create martyrst&lt;/a&gt; it is counterproductive. It will help to recruit more people than before and increase the danger of more attacks in the region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this execution, as I have written here, <a href="http://marranci.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/the-high-cost-of-three-bullets-how-to-create-martyrs/#more-149" rel="nofollow">The high cost of three bullets: how to create martyrst</a> it is counterproductive. It will help to recruit more people than before and increase the danger of more attacks in the region.</p>
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		<title>By: hengkychu.co.cc &#187; Comment on Indonesia: Execution of Bali bombers by Januar</title>
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		<dc:creator>hengkychu.co.cc &#187; Comment on Indonesia: Execution of Bali bombers by Januar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Barron Clarke</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/11/05/indonesia-execution-of-bali-bombers/comment-page-1/#comment-1529364</link>
		<dc:creator>Barron Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply execution does not stop the offences or logically the offences would stop and there would be no more executions. Its a reverse catch 22.

By the way I am Australian but more important I&#039;m a human being.
I not saying treat these prisoners be treated with kid gloves but as I said &quot;You shall not kill&quot; is a complete commandment supposedly from God. Not you will not kill nice people, not you will only kill certain people and not kill the killers. Its simple &quot;You shall not kill.&quot;
I feel for the families of the victims but my mother died when I was eighteen so I know what it is like to loose someone who should have lots more life.
As for this phrase &quot;closure&quot; its just a buzz word. The families will not get closure from the death of three religious fanatics. More people die when other use religion as an excuse than have died all the no religious wars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply execution does not stop the offences or logically the offences would stop and there would be no more executions. Its a reverse catch 22.</p>
<p>By the way I am Australian but more important I&#8217;m a human being.<br />
I not saying treat these prisoners be treated with kid gloves but as I said &#8220;You shall not kill&#8221; is a complete commandment supposedly from God. Not you will not kill nice people, not you will only kill certain people and not kill the killers. Its simple &#8220;You shall not kill.&#8221;<br />
I feel for the families of the victims but my mother died when I was eighteen so I know what it is like to loose someone who should have lots more life.<br />
As for this phrase &#8220;closure&#8221; its just a buzz word. The families will not get closure from the death of three religious fanatics. More people die when other use religion as an excuse than have died all the no religious wars.</p>
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		<title>By: don wreford</title>
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		<dc:creator>don wreford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>other than the appeasement of the avenging appetite for more blood to be spilled satisfying the carnal primal anger of ones conditioned cultural illusion and endorsing their old testament ideology, it is a matter of who is the terrorist ? in this moment of time the prevailing superior culture such as Australia compared to Indonesia defines as Rudd states that to kill these 3 human beings is good for this World, my opinion is that it is not good for the World, it is not that long ago in the history of time that the White terrorists from Britain killed and desecrated this populated land of an old established culture, the hypocrisy of this bewildered land that is still unable to mature its spirituality is obvious to those who have eyes to see, and what I know of this culture it is embarrassing for this God forsaken land to moralize to other parts of the World, as we have overwhelming problems that we are to stupid and to conceited to answer, but more to the point failure to even realize, our materialistic striving and ambitions blind us to the fact that we are unable to be anything other than the locusts, even they have a season we have no limits to our stupidity, we are lost in the next gizmo or Tats lotto draw, our follies are to numerous to summarize here, yours don wreford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>other than the appeasement of the avenging appetite for more blood to be spilled satisfying the carnal primal anger of ones conditioned cultural illusion and endorsing their old testament ideology, it is a matter of who is the terrorist ? in this moment of time the prevailing superior culture such as Australia compared to Indonesia defines as Rudd states that to kill these 3 human beings is good for this World, my opinion is that it is not good for the World, it is not that long ago in the history of time that the White terrorists from Britain killed and desecrated this populated land of an old established culture, the hypocrisy of this bewildered land that is still unable to mature its spirituality is obvious to those who have eyes to see, and what I know of this culture it is embarrassing for this God forsaken land to moralize to other parts of the World, as we have overwhelming problems that we are to stupid and to conceited to answer, but more to the point failure to even realize, our materialistic striving and ambitions blind us to the fact that we are unable to be anything other than the locusts, even they have a season we have no limits to our stupidity, we are lost in the next gizmo or Tats lotto draw, our follies are to numerous to summarize here, yours don wreford.</p>
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		<title>By: Barron Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barron Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst any civilised person abhors the actions of those that killed so many people in Bali no civilise person could possibly support the death penalty.

Many people have quoted to me that lethal injection is a humane way of execution. The hole in this argument for me is that once a group of people decide execution is the answer that in itself is in inhumane ergo anything that follows cannot be considered humane.

The death penalty is uncivilised. It has evolved from human sacrifice and is carried out for the same reason that is for the &quot;good&quot; of a society. Think about it.
Others, notably Judaic Christian people misquote the old testament e.g. an eye for an eye, etc. this in fact a complete misunderstanding where this set limits rather than being a guide to be taken further. This interpretation is only now being recognised by  old testament scholars. Why else would their god have given them an ultimate set of ten laws one of which is &quot;you shall not kill&quot;. There is no exceptions to this it is a statement easily understood by the least scholarly person.
The whole point is if we are to be civilised we can&#039;t pick and choose. If others want to act in an uncivilised way that is no excuse for us to support a degradation into uncivilised actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst any civilised person abhors the actions of those that killed so many people in Bali no civilise person could possibly support the death penalty.</p>
<p>Many people have quoted to me that lethal injection is a humane way of execution. The hole in this argument for me is that once a group of people decide execution is the answer that in itself is in inhumane ergo anything that follows cannot be considered humane.</p>
<p>The death penalty is uncivilised. It has evolved from human sacrifice and is carried out for the same reason that is for the &#8220;good&#8221; of a society. Think about it.<br />
Others, notably Judaic Christian people misquote the old testament e.g. an eye for an eye, etc. this in fact a complete misunderstanding where this set limits rather than being a guide to be taken further. This interpretation is only now being recognised by  old testament scholars. Why else would their god have given them an ultimate set of ten laws one of which is &#8220;you shall not kill&#8221;. There is no exceptions to this it is a statement easily understood by the least scholarly person.<br />
The whole point is if we are to be civilised we can&#8217;t pick and choose. If others want to act in an uncivilised way that is no excuse for us to support a degradation into uncivilised actions.</p>
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