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		<title>By: Let Them Eat Bits: Cheap HD For China But Not For You &#171; The Official Wirewize Blog</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-2/#comment-1558336</link>
		<dc:creator>Let Them Eat Bits: Cheap HD For China But Not For You &#171; The Official Wirewize Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cheap and legal has proven to be a reasonably promising strategy in more developed markets; it’s been working for iTunes, to greater or lesser degrees. In emerging markets where consumers are much less affluent but no less eager, it’s wishful thinking to expect similar successes. China’s (and India’s) nascent consumer cultures are already very comfortable with cheap or free bootleg software; just ask Microsoft. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cheap and legal has proven to be a reasonably promising strategy in more developed markets; it’s been working for iTunes, to greater or lesser degrees. In emerging markets where consumers are much less affluent but no less eager, it’s wishful thinking to expect similar successes. China’s (and India’s) nascent consumer cultures are already very comfortable with cheap or free bootleg software; just ask Microsoft. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Williams</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-2/#comment-1528037</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any argument that I have read against Microsoft does not make sense. If people think that Microsoft would lose a legal battle over this, they are wrong. This is something that they are well within their right to do under the End User License Agreement for their product. Rest assured that a move like this was not made lightly and will have the full legal backing that it requires. One of the people in the articles circulating is outraged that Microsoft is \taking over their hardware\ when in fact it is doing nothing more than protecting it&#039;s software OS which has little really to do with the hardware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any argument that I have read against Microsoft does not make sense. If people think that Microsoft would lose a legal battle over this, they are wrong. This is something that they are well within their right to do under the End User License Agreement for their product. Rest assured that a move like this was not made lightly and will have the full legal backing that it requires. One of the people in the articles circulating is outraged that Microsoft is \taking over their hardware\ when in fact it is doing nothing more than protecting it&#8217;s software OS which has little really to do with the hardware.</p>
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		<title>By: laowai</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-2/#comment-1526915</link>
		<dc:creator>laowai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its very annoying seeing Chinese people who have spent several thousands  RMBs buying computers resisting to pay Microsoft JUST 1 thousand RMB for operating system.and above all the government supporting them.THIS is very BAD.how would CHINA feel if one Chinese government develop a product,sell it by 1 thousand RMB in china and when they export it to US or EUROPE then people there demands that the price be 10 RMB or something.that is ridiculous!!there are LINUX and other free distros around there.IF YOU THINK you are poor and you can&#039;t afford a windows OS then LINUX will do everything that XP or VISTA does.stop the useless noises for XP or VISTA to get cheaper.MICROSOFT set those prices according to their market outlook.if Chinese people think the price is unfair i suggest they create their own OS if they don&#039;t appreciate Gates work.even if they distribute it for free no one will ask them nothing

If china boast about its high reserve rates and it being a superpower then it should act accordingly and stop the hypocrisy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its very annoying seeing Chinese people who have spent several thousands  RMBs buying computers resisting to pay Microsoft JUST 1 thousand RMB for operating system.and above all the government supporting them.THIS is very BAD.how would CHINA feel if one Chinese government develop a product,sell it by 1 thousand RMB in china and when they export it to US or EUROPE then people there demands that the price be 10 RMB or something.that is ridiculous!!there are LINUX and other free distros around there.IF YOU THINK you are poor and you can&#8217;t afford a windows OS then LINUX will do everything that XP or VISTA does.stop the useless noises for XP or VISTA to get cheaper.MICROSOFT set those prices according to their market outlook.if Chinese people think the price is unfair i suggest they create their own OS if they don&#8217;t appreciate Gates work.even if they distribute it for free no one will ask them nothing</p>
<p>If china boast about its high reserve rates and it being a superpower then it should act accordingly and stop the hypocrisy</p>
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		<title>By: Neddy</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-2/#comment-1526913</link>
		<dc:creator>Neddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike - Linux IS viable. Note I do not say it&#039;s &quot;better&quot;. I find that MOST of of complaints about Linux come from people who think that since Linux is not &quot;like Windows&quot;, it cannot be any good. Fear of the unknown, having to learn new tricks, and so forth... Well, Linux is NOT Windows. Get used to it.

@GrahamPhisher - You got me laughing; how true! So many othervise savvy computer users in China, yet how come I met so many of them who failed to take even basic precautions against viruses, etc. A miracle that their computers kept working at all!

OK, I already said piracy wass not on, in principle. I also said that Microsoft was no ordinary victim. Its wealth and market domination does not, primarily, come from innovation, but from their business strategies. They charge for their product on the basis of &quot;what the market will bear&quot;. In China, they tolerated piracy because there was nothing they could do about it, anyway.

Now they think they got the Chinese users hooked to the point where they can MAKE them pay, or else! I do not pretend to know what will happen next, but obviously Chinese would have to put up with it. Or look for alternatives, thus exerting pressure on MS to change its ways. That&#039;s where other OSs come in. They do not need to &quot;win&quot;; just dent MS&#039;s hegemony enough for it to come back down to earth, and actually compete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike &#8211; Linux IS viable. Note I do not say it&#8217;s &#8220;better&#8221;. I find that MOST of of complaints about Linux come from people who think that since Linux is not &#8220;like Windows&#8221;, it cannot be any good. Fear of the unknown, having to learn new tricks, and so forth&#8230; Well, Linux is NOT Windows. Get used to it.</p>
<p>@GrahamPhisher &#8211; You got me laughing; how true! So many othervise savvy computer users in China, yet how come I met so many of them who failed to take even basic precautions against viruses, etc. A miracle that their computers kept working at all!</p>
<p>OK, I already said piracy wass not on, in principle. I also said that Microsoft was no ordinary victim. Its wealth and market domination does not, primarily, come from innovation, but from their business strategies. They charge for their product on the basis of &#8220;what the market will bear&#8221;. In China, they tolerated piracy because there was nothing they could do about it, anyway.</p>
<p>Now they think they got the Chinese users hooked to the point where they can MAKE them pay, or else! I do not pretend to know what will happen next, but obviously Chinese would have to put up with it. Or look for alternatives, thus exerting pressure on MS to change its ways. That&#8217;s where other OSs come in. They do not need to &#8220;win&#8221;; just dent MS&#8217;s hegemony enough for it to come back down to earth, and actually compete.</p>
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		<title>By: GrahamPhisher</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-2/#comment-1526706</link>
		<dc:creator>GrahamPhisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every 60 minutes? Thats panic? Anyone using a computer for 60 minutes strait, should take a small break. Next, a very good percentage of windows users have trojans and viruses that bug them every minute, So how is this, your windows pirated bugging them even more? 

If this is panic to you, well good luck in this world, and take a chillax pill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every 60 minutes? Thats panic? Anyone using a computer for 60 minutes strait, should take a small break. Next, a very good percentage of windows users have trojans and viruses that bug them every minute, So how is this, your windows pirated bugging them even more? </p>
<p>If this is panic to you, well good luck in this world, and take a chillax pill.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-2/#comment-1526377</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAh!  Linux and viable in the same sentence!  Got my friday laugh...the Chinese are poor, not stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAh!  Linux and viable in the same sentence!  Got my friday laugh&#8230;the Chinese are poor, not stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: ocram</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-2/#comment-1526349</link>
		<dc:creator>ocram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mac Book Pro

that&#039;s all that&#039;s required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mac Book Pro</p>
<p>that&#8217;s all that&#8217;s required.</p>
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		<title>By: CER links: Octopus mayors, Obama, Microsoft - China Economic Review</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-1526266</link>
		<dc:creator>CER links: Octopus mayors, Obama, Microsoft - China Economic Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Global Voices Online - China: Microsoft vs. netizens - More on Microsoft&#8217;s measures to combat usage of pirate Windows software [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TNTC</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-1526248</link>
		<dc:creator>TNTC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piracy is wrong, no matter what.  As other users have commented, Linux is a viable alternative.  Does Microsoft come and steal your TV, or your kids toys?  Why should you get to steal from hard working MS employees?  MS is not the only victim of piracy either.  While computers are becoming essential for business, and MS is a common standard, it is far from the only option.  If the Chinese people want to fight the tyrrany of expensive software, they need to start using free software like Linux and BSD, so that the reliance on Windows is broken.  Don&#039;t like the high price of Windows and Office? Don&#039;t use it! Download Ubuntu and Open Office, or Red Flag Linux!  Ubuntu will even SEND YOU A CD OF THEIR SOFTWARE IN THE MAIL FOR FREE!  MS Software is expensive because MS puts a lot of effort into making it work on just about everything, and trying to regulate it to make it more reliable.  It has employees specifically for making Windows better. This costs a lot of money!

Linux has decent, but imperfect hardware support.  It is developed by the community, and does not always have full time programmers for its support.  It&#039;s not free because the developers don&#039;t value their time, it&#039;s free because they want more people to work on it, and the only way to do that is to give everyone full view of the source code. 

Software Piracy is called Piracy for a reason.  You are stealing something because it is easily stolen, not because you need it to survive.  There are even legitimate free alternitives, yet you choose to steal anyhow.  Any justification of piracy is just a lie you tell yourself to make you feel better about the theft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piracy is wrong, no matter what.  As other users have commented, Linux is a viable alternative.  Does Microsoft come and steal your TV, or your kids toys?  Why should you get to steal from hard working MS employees?  MS is not the only victim of piracy either.  While computers are becoming essential for business, and MS is a common standard, it is far from the only option.  If the Chinese people want to fight the tyrrany of expensive software, they need to start using free software like Linux and BSD, so that the reliance on Windows is broken.  Don&#8217;t like the high price of Windows and Office? Don&#8217;t use it! Download Ubuntu and Open Office, or Red Flag Linux!  Ubuntu will even SEND YOU A CD OF THEIR SOFTWARE IN THE MAIL FOR FREE!  MS Software is expensive because MS puts a lot of effort into making it work on just about everything, and trying to regulate it to make it more reliable.  It has employees specifically for making Windows better. This costs a lot of money!</p>
<p>Linux has decent, but imperfect hardware support.  It is developed by the community, and does not always have full time programmers for its support.  It&#8217;s not free because the developers don&#8217;t value their time, it&#8217;s free because they want more people to work on it, and the only way to do that is to give everyone full view of the source code. </p>
<p>Software Piracy is called Piracy for a reason.  You are stealing something because it is easily stolen, not because you need it to survive.  There are even legitimate free alternitives, yet you choose to steal anyhow.  Any justification of piracy is just a lie you tell yourself to make you feel better about the theft.</p>
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		<title>By: Querystring &#187; Microsoft anti-piracy solution backfires in China</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-1526076</link>
		<dc:creator>Querystring &#187; Microsoft anti-piracy solution backfires in China</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] versions just notified the user that they were using pirated software. You can imagine this didn&#8217;t go over too well with the Chinese, who were outraged by the inconvenience and more than one even accused Microsoft of hacking into [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] versions just notified the user that they were using pirated software. You can imagine this didn&#8217;t go over too well with the Chinese, who were outraged by the inconvenience and more than one even accused Microsoft of hacking into [...]</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-1526006</link>
		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One interesting thing is that this WGA is targeted at Windows XP instead of Windows Vista.Come on, can anyone get Windows XP? Especially Home edition for home users legally? In China, pirate Vista is as easy to get as XP, but no one like Vista...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One interesting thing is that this WGA is targeted at Windows XP instead of Windows Vista.Come on, can anyone get Windows XP? Especially Home edition for home users legally? In China, pirate Vista is as easy to get as XP, but no one like Vista&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Microsoft anti-piracy solution backfires in China - Hack a Day</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-1525991</link>
		<dc:creator>Microsoft anti-piracy solution backfires in China - Hack a Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] versions just notified the user that they were using pirated software. You can imagine this didn&#8217;t go over too well with the Chinese, who were outraged by the inconvenience and more than one even accused Microsoft of hacking into [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] versions just notified the user that they were using pirated software. You can imagine this didn&#8217;t go over too well with the Chinese, who were outraged by the inconvenience and more than one even accused Microsoft of hacking into [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Neddy</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-1525917</link>
		<dc:creator>Neddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with Chris on this one. Excusing or rationalising software piracy is not on, but Microsoft&#039;s strategy here seems like that of a drug dealer&#039;s: Get them hooked, then squeeze them dry. I refer to Bill Gates&#039; alleged statement that &quot;if they (Chinese) must pirate, I prefer they pirate ours&quot;.

As for the &quot;unfairness of setting the same price in China and in US&quot;, let&#039;s not forget that MS product is grossly overpriced everywhere, IMO.

And we need not wait for Linux to win for things to improve; as Linux gets strong enough to hurt their bottom line, you&#039;ll see MS changing their ways, too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with Chris on this one. Excusing or rationalising software piracy is not on, but Microsoft&#8217;s strategy here seems like that of a drug dealer&#8217;s: Get them hooked, then squeeze them dry. I refer to Bill Gates&#8217; alleged statement that &#8220;if they (Chinese) must pirate, I prefer they pirate ours&#8221;.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;unfairness of setting the same price in China and in US&#8221;, let&#8217;s not forget that MS product is grossly overpriced everywhere, IMO.</p>
<p>And we need not wait for Linux to win for things to improve; as Linux gets strong enough to hurt their bottom line, you&#8217;ll see MS changing their ways, too!</p>
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		<title>By: John Carter</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-1525827</link>
		<dc:creator>John Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Linux wins, we all win.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/10/21/china-microsoft-vs-netizens/comment-page-1/#comment-1525793</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is going to be fun to watch.

On one hand, I do not like Microsoft and their strategies in general, but on the other hand, I never much liked the argument that &quot;if I cannot afford it, I should be able to have it for free.&quot;

Thankfully for the Chinese, western users have struggled with this for years, and as a result, linux is a perfectly viable alternative, more difficult to use, but free.

As for the unfairness of setting the same price in China and in US, China is not a poor country anymore, and does not need economic help from Microsoft. China&#039;s economy is arguably benefiting a lot from the fact life is cheaper there than in US... However, there are disadvantages, and this is one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is going to be fun to watch.</p>
<p>On one hand, I do not like Microsoft and their strategies in general, but on the other hand, I never much liked the argument that &#8220;if I cannot afford it, I should be able to have it for free.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thankfully for the Chinese, western users have struggled with this for years, and as a result, linux is a perfectly viable alternative, more difficult to use, but free.</p>
<p>As for the unfairness of setting the same price in China and in US, China is not a poor country anymore, and does not need economic help from Microsoft. China&#8217;s economy is arguably benefiting a lot from the fact life is cheaper there than in US&#8230; However, there are disadvantages, and this is one of them.</p>
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