Comments on: North Cyprus: The Opera Comes to Town http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/ The world is talking. Are you listening? Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:27:58 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: george avgeris http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1699414 george avgeris Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:36:40 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1699414 turkey vowed to abide by international law when it joined the UN, NATO, AND NOW THE EU. turkey vowed to abide by international law when it joined the UN, NATO, AND NOW THE EU.

]]> By: george avgeris http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-2/#comment-1699404 george avgeris Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:54:25 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1699404 found the quote and is posted above. found the quote and is posted above.

]]> By: george avgeris http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1699402 george avgeris Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:46:01 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1699402 The Turkish government falsely claimed that all Cypriot Turkish deaths were due to Cypriot Greeks and mainland Greeks: “Of these known deaths, 52 per cent were caused by Greek-Cypriots and 48 per cent were caused between 11 August 1964 and 15 November 1967, records from various authoritative sources indicate that 109 Turkish-Cypriots are known to have been killed. . . . This number probably includes all Turk-Cypriots killed by Greek-Cypriots and the majority of Turk-Cypriots who were killed by Turk-Cypriots.“ [Richard A. Patrick, Political Geography and the Cyprus Conflict: 1963-1971 (Department of Geography, University of Waterloo, 1976), pp. 45-88.] Patrick was a Canadian UN military officer on Cyprus. Some Turkish apologists may argue that Patrick, being a westerner is jaundiced. Yet, Dr. Vamik Volcan, a Cypriot Turkish author, wrote admiringly of the opinions of UN military personnel. The Turkish government falsely claimed that all Cypriot Turkish deaths were due to Cypriot Greeks and mainland Greeks: “Of these known deaths, 52 per cent were caused by Greek-Cypriots and 48 per cent were caused between 11 August 1964 and 15 November 1967, records from various authoritative sources indicate that 109 Turkish-Cypriots are known to have been killed. . . . This number probably includes all Turk-Cypriots killed by Greek-Cypriots and the majority of Turk-Cypriots who were killed by Turk-Cypriots.“

[Richard A. Patrick, Political Geography and the Cyprus Conflict: 1963-1971 (Department of Geography, University of Waterloo, 1976), pp. 45-88.]

Patrick was a Canadian UN military officer on Cyprus.

Some Turkish apologists may argue that Patrick, being a westerner is jaundiced.

Yet, Dr. Vamik Volcan, a Cypriot Turkish author, wrote admiringly of the opinions of UN military personnel.

]]> By: george avgeris http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1699401 george avgeris Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:43:40 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1699401 Cypriot Turks were kept in camps by Turkey for propaganda purposes.  Cypriot Turks “were forced into enclaves all over the island – all with the aim to demonstrate that peaceful coexistence was impossible and that partition was the only solution.” [Robert Ellis , “The Scandalous History of Cyprus”, Guardian.co.uk, 3 March 2010  Cypriot Turks were kept in camps by Turkey for propaganda purposes.

 Cypriot Turks “were forced into enclaves all over the island – all with the aim to demonstrate that peaceful coexistence was impossible and that partition was the only solution.”

[Robert Ellis , “The Scandalous History of Cyprus”, Guardian.co.uk, 3 March 2010 

]]> By: george avgeris http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-2/#comment-1575893 george avgeris Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:24:39 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1575893 Editor: Pleasse email me the rest of my comment on pg. 1 [last green box on page]: specifically the Canadian UN R.A. Patrick quote that almost half of the Cypriot Turks were killed by Turks. If readers can help, that would be greatky appreciated: perhaps you copied that quote? It has been deleyed. Truth will out! Editor: Pleasse email me the rest of my comment on pg. 1 [last green box on page]: specifically the Canadian UN R.A. Patrick quote that almost half of the Cypriot Turks were killed by Turks.

If readers can help, that would be greatky appreciated: perhaps you copied that quote? It has been deleyed.

Truth will out!

]]> By: george avgeris http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-2/#comment-1575267 george avgeris Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:12:44 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1575267 The current negotiator for Cypriot Turks described the Turkish -occupied north as a: “A sunny prison..." [Description of Turkish occupied area of Cyprus by Mehmet Ali Talat, Turkish Cypriot leader of Republican Turkish Party, 26 March 1997] The current negotiator for Cypriot Turks described the Turkish -occupied north as a:
“A sunny prison…”

[Description of Turkish occupied area of Cyprus by Mehmet Ali Talat, Turkish Cypriot leader of Republican Turkish Party, 26 March 1997]

]]> By: george avgeris http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-2/#comment-1575264 george avgeris Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:51:05 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1575264 Democracy for Cypriot Greeks? You can't vote if you're dead. How about restoring democracy for Cypriot Turks? Many/most Cypriot Turks believe only the Cypriot government can do that: "Turkish Cypriots... would like to coexist with their Greek Cypriot compatriots instead of being under Turkish military rule". [Turkish Cypriot in German newspaper 'Die Welt'] "We live in a dictatorship, run by the Turkish military and their cohort, Denktash… You can live a normal life here if you keep quiet, if you don’t tell the truth that we live under Turkish occupation, that much of our territory is a military zone where we can't go … I want a unified Cyprus that can join the European Union, not for economic reasons, but to have a democracy, to have European laws with respect for human rights. We don't want to live under Turkish law.” Sener Levent, Turkish Cypriot, editor/publisher of Afrika ] [in website, 'Buying Property in the north of Cyprus is illegal', Doctoral Dissertation, London School of Economics and Political Science, 1972 ] Democracy for Cypriot Greeks? You can’t vote if you’re dead.
How about restoring democracy for Cypriot Turks? Many/most Cypriot Turks believe only the Cypriot government can do that:

“Turkish Cypriots… would like to coexist with their Greek Cypriot compatriots instead of being under Turkish military rule”.

[Turkish Cypriot in German newspaper 'Die Welt']

“We live in a dictatorship, run by the Turkish military and their cohort, Denktash… You can live a normal life here if you keep quiet, if you don’t tell the truth that we live under Turkish occupation, that much of our territory is a military zone where we can’t go … I want a unified Cyprus that can join the European Union, not for economic reasons, but to have a democracy, to have European laws with respect for human rights. We don’t want to live under Turkish law.”

Sener Levent, Turkish Cypriot, editor/publisher of Afrika ]
[in website, 'Buying Property in the north of Cyprus is illegal', Doctoral Dissertation, London School of Economics and Political Science, 1972 ]

]]> By: Alexy Flemming http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-2/#comment-1575251 Alexy Flemming Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:43:54 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1575251 In 1974 July, there were Junta administration both in Greece and Cyprus (Greek Cypriots destroyed the legal government and resulted junta in Cyprus as well). After Turkish intervention, one month later, in 1974 September, DEMOCRACY CAME TO GREECE AND CYPRUS. Two juntas finished. Hence, Greeks (both in Greece and Cyprus) should thank to Turks for bringing democracy to them. In 1974 July, there were Junta administration both in Greece and Cyprus (Greek Cypriots destroyed the legal government and resulted junta in Cyprus as well). After Turkish intervention, one month later, in 1974 September, DEMOCRACY CAME TO GREECE AND CYPRUS. Two juntas finished. Hence, Greeks (both in Greece and Cyprus) should thank to Turks for bringing democracy to them.

]]> By: Louis http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1557139 Louis Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:57:55 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1557139 What a plonker!! Yes Cyprus had many rulers due mainly to its geographical importane. But the Locals were always there! What a plonker!!
Yes Cyprus had many rulers due mainly to its geographical importane. But the Locals were always there!

]]> By: Louis http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-2/#comment-1557137 Louis Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:54:24 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1557137 I am surprised yo note that you refer to the "Turkish Government" George. The real rulers of Turkey are the armed forces of the country. Oh they pretend that theyare a democracy, but dig a little below the surface ................. Europeans are only just now realising this fact. it will be interesting when they learn the whole truth. I am surprised yo note that you refer to the “Turkish Government” George.
The real rulers of Turkey are the armed forces of the country. Oh they pretend that theyare a democracy, but dig a little below the surface ……………..
Europeans are only just now realising this fact.
it will be interesting when they learn the whole truth.

]]> By: George Avgeris http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1519925 George Avgeris Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:46:41 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1519925 Current Cypriot Turkish leader Talat called the Turkish occupation a jail cell. In 1821, Cypriot Turks joined the Greek Revolution against Turkey. Could this be repeated? Bravo Kurds, Bravo for fighting the foreign Turk! Military: Canadian experts in Time magazine said that the Cypriot Greeks performed far better than the Turks,militarily, but they were outmanned and outgunned. Democracy: I have read most experts agree that the Greek government functions far superior than the Turkish government. Current Cypriot Turkish leader Talat called the Turkish occupation a jail cell.

In 1821, Cypriot Turks joined the Greek Revolution against Turkey. Could this be repeated?

Bravo Kurds, Bravo for fighting the foreign Turk!

Military: Canadian experts in Time magazine said that the Cypriot Greeks performed far better than the Turks,militarily, but they were outmanned and outgunned.

Democracy: I have read most experts agree that the Greek government functions far superior than the Turkish government.

]]> By: NorthCypruslover http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1519826 NorthCypruslover Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:52:39 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1519826 George.. are all you Greeks taught the same propaganda at school? the western world is guilty of more genocide than anyone and it is the western world whos laws you spout. if Greeks had not been so busy stabbing each other in the back during the mediaeval period they may have formed a nation earlier and would have more land today... tough luck mate. you may see yourselves as the people who invented democracy but you didnt develop the idea so stop living in the past and deal with what you have today. George.. are all you Greeks taught the same propaganda at school?

the western world is guilty of more genocide than anyone and it is the western world whos laws you spout.

if Greeks had not been so busy stabbing each other in the back during the mediaeval period they may have formed a nation earlier and would have more land today… tough luck mate.

you may see yourselves as the people who invented democracy but you didnt develop the idea so stop living in the past and deal with what you have today.

]]> By: George Avgeris http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1514477 George Avgeris Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:45:29 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1514477 At leastr one Turkish diplomat recommends that Turkey accept Prescription and try to make amendsa to the original inhabitants of "Turkey": Turkey must immediately apologize to Armenians for the "tragic events of the past," said Volkan Vural Turkey's former ambassador to Russia during the late 1980s, reported the Taraf Turkish newspaper. "Although it is difficult to imagine that Turkey would recognize the Genocide, nevertheless, it must apologize to the Armenians and other ethnic minorities--Greeks, Assyrians, Kurds--for displacing them and massacres, and allow them to return to the land of their ancestors and become Turkish citizens," said Vural. "The return of assets and financial restitution are difficult issues to tackle. However, it would be possible to make a symbolic offer of financial restitution," explained Vural, saying that making an apology is an "imperative for a country like Turkey."[in na, “Assyrian International News Agency” website, 9-14-08]. At leastr one Turkish diplomat recommends that Turkey accept Prescription and try to make amendsa to the original inhabitants of “Turkey”:

Turkey must immediately apologize to Armenians for the “tragic events of the past,” said Volkan Vural Turkey’s former ambassador to Russia during the late 1980s, reported the Taraf Turkish newspaper.
“Although it is difficult to imagine that Turkey would recognize the Genocide, nevertheless, it must apologize to the Armenians and other ethnic minorities–Greeks, Assyrians, Kurds–for displacing them and massacres, and allow them to return to the land of their ancestors and become Turkish citizens,” said Vural.
“The return of assets and financial restitution are difficult issues to tackle. However, it would be possible to make a symbolic offer of financial restitution,” explained Vural, saying that making an apology is an “imperative for a country like Turkey.”[in na, “Assyrian International News Agency” website, 9-14-08].

]]> By: George Avgeris http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1514278 George Avgeris Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:23:59 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1514278 editor.please add question mark after "africa", as I do not remember the name of this newspaper. Thx! editor.please add question mark after “africa”, as I do not remember the name of this newspaper.

Thx!

]]> By: NorthCypruslover http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/09/09/north-cyprus-the-opera-comes-to-town/comment-page-1/#comment-1514228 NorthCypruslover Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:06:41 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=49823#comment-1514228 is that right George! Try telling that to the native people of the American land mass, Australasia and pretty much everywhere else in the world. should the Britons who supposedly now reside Wales push to regain England? how do you substantiate who retains the original genes of the original people of a region seeing as the genetics of most people of the Eastern Med are pretty much identical? Do we base it on language? If i learn to speak ancient Egyptian can i claim Egypt? Which tribes were the first to own this part of the world? Are there people with Hittite or Phonecian genes still around? Probably! How far back should we go? as far as suits you eh! get real dude. The fact is that when people start wars and lose them there is normally a penalty. The Greeks and Greek Cypriots who started the war in Cyprus thought they could exterminate the Muslims and gain total control of Cyprus. They gambled and lost. get used to it. Oh and dont spout international law to me, as the people who make these laws dont even adhere to them when it suits them. is that right George! Try telling that to the native people of the American land mass, Australasia and pretty much everywhere else in the world. should the Britons who supposedly now reside Wales push to regain England?

how do you substantiate who retains the original genes of the original people of a region seeing as the genetics of most people of the Eastern Med are pretty much identical?
Do we base it on language? If i learn to speak ancient Egyptian can i claim Egypt?
Which tribes were the first to own this part of the world? Are there people with Hittite or Phonecian genes still around? Probably! How far back should we go? as far as suits you eh! get real dude.

The fact is that when people start wars and lose them there is normally a penalty. The Greeks and Greek Cypriots who started the war in Cyprus thought they could exterminate the Muslims and gain total control of Cyprus. They gambled and lost. get used to it.

Oh and dont spout international law to me, as the people who make these laws dont even adhere to them when it suits them.

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