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	<title>Comments on: Georgia, Russia: Feeding Looters and Refugees</title>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/19/georgia-russia-feeding-looters-and-refugees/comment-page-1/#comment-1508090</link>
		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad I was able to find Oleg Panfilov&#039;s new site through you. Thank you for the update!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad I was able to find Oleg Panfilov&#8217;s new site through you. Thank you for the update!</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica Khokhlova</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/19/georgia-russia-feeding-looters-and-refugees/comment-page-1/#comment-1507165</link>
		<dc:creator>Veronica Khokhlova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oleg Panfilov&#039;s blog was hacked, not suspended.

His new blog is here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://olegpanfilov2.livejournal.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://olegpanfilov2.livejournal.com/&lt;/a&gt;.

His posts about the war in Georgia were saved by LJ user &lt;i&gt;egil_belshevic&lt;/i&gt; and are now here - &lt;a href=&quot;http://o-panfilov-old.livejournal.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://o-panfilov-old.livejournal.com/&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oleg Panfilov&#8217;s blog was hacked, not suspended.</p>
<p>His new blog is here: <a href="http://olegpanfilov2.livejournal.com/" rel="nofollow">http://olegpanfilov2.livejournal.com/</a>.</p>
<p>His posts about the war in Georgia were saved by LJ user <i>egil_belshevic</i> and are now here &#8211; <a href="http://o-panfilov-old.livejournal.com/" rel="nofollow">http://o-panfilov-old.livejournal.com/</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: ella</title>
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		<dc:creator>ella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately oleg panfilov blog has been suspended.  He has(had?) blog at russian popular site for blogging and it seems they started policy to suspend blogs which are against russian policy in Georgia.  
Pity.
It was great blog.

@ solo

looting are present in any army?  that&#039;s funny, I though russians officials were saying that it was not looting.
btw when were you last in gerogia - during CCCP era???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately oleg panfilov blog has been suspended.  He has(had?) blog at russian popular site for blogging and it seems they started policy to suspend blogs which are against russian policy in Georgia.<br />
Pity.<br />
It was great blog.</p>
<p>@ solo</p>
<p>looting are present in any army?  that&#8217;s funny, I though russians officials were saying that it was not looting.<br />
btw when were you last in gerogia &#8211; during CCCP era???</p>
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		<title>By: solo</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/19/georgia-russia-feeding-looters-and-refugees/comment-page-1/#comment-1506505</link>
		<dc:creator>solo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha-ha-ha :) ...yes, and bears keep on walking on Moscow streets. 
I am not sure if in 2008 there is audience left  to listen to these urban legends. It might have worked in 70s. It is obvious how little you know about modern Russia. Do yourself a favour: get on the plane and visit it. 
Some are still stuck in the Epoch of Cold war propaganda...   

Democracy and prosperity in Georgia? There is no evidence both are present in Georgia. Talk to the real people that live there. I feel sorry for poor Georgians... Their stupid leader did nothing to help citizens lead decent lives. He is just an ambitious US puppet who plunged the entire country into the war conflict the outcome of which was 150% predictable. This is a disgrace.

Looting and misconduct are present in any army. Thank your BBC for not showing you what US soldiers did in Iran or Yugoslavia… Forgot pictures of Iraqi prisoners being tortured by US service personnel? Short memory, eh? This is a grim reality of war… So, give it a rest…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha-ha-ha :) &#8230;yes, and bears keep on walking on Moscow streets.<br />
I am not sure if in 2008 there is audience left  to listen to these urban legends. It might have worked in 70s. It is obvious how little you know about modern Russia. Do yourself a favour: get on the plane and visit it.<br />
Some are still stuck in the Epoch of Cold war propaganda&#8230;   </p>
<p>Democracy and prosperity in Georgia? There is no evidence both are present in Georgia. Talk to the real people that live there. I feel sorry for poor Georgians&#8230; Their stupid leader did nothing to help citizens lead decent lives. He is just an ambitious US puppet who plunged the entire country into the war conflict the outcome of which was 150% predictable. This is a disgrace.</p>
<p>Looting and misconduct are present in any army. Thank your BBC for not showing you what US soldiers did in Iran or Yugoslavia… Forgot pictures of Iraqi prisoners being tortured by US service personnel? Short memory, eh? This is a grim reality of war… So, give it a rest…</p>
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		<title>By: nika</title>
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		<dc:creator>nika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Current State of Russia

Current Russia-Georgia conflict seems to put an end to a common myth about superiority of Russian military power.  All military experts agree that invasion of Georgia clearly demonstrated the poor condition of the Russian army; absence of good communication and night vision gear, rusty tanks and armored carriers, old airplanes with poor precision of hitting military targets, dreadful intelligence, and the list goes on and on… But it seems to me that no one looked at the conditions of the Russian soldiers.  Soldiers who once were shaking and threatening half of the world are now reduced to common thieves, robbers, looters, murderers and maradiors.  They have arrested and beaten 60, 70, 80 year old man and women and killed scores of the innocent civilians with the mandate of ethnic cleansing.  There is enough material on youtube to prove my point (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGfCkPU1-TA, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bSZmqCeiWU, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfP3X9PGg1g, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFr9iKNy-IY, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB_f_Ew1wfY).  These so-called soldiers were stealing anything they could put their hands on.  It really pleased me to see how the Russian “soldiers” were loading their tanks and armored vehicles with used Georgian soldiers’ underwear, blankets, shoes, washing pans, silverware, glassware, and even toilets.  Russians even put on Georgian soldiers’ uniforms claiming that “it was better than their own”.  I do not think you can have army any more discouraged and demoralized than that!  However, I think the problem is even bigger; these so-called solders were destroying everything they could not take with them.  They burned Georgian forests, croplands, bulldozed down houses, put land mines and explosives (so-called afghan candy) targeting youngsters and kids.  Only barbarians with the extreme anger can do things like this.  These facts clearly show not only the state of Russian army, but the vision and the spirit of most common Russian citizens brainwashed by the Kremlin propaganda.  One Russian “soldier” looting Georgian army base is saying “look, look they leave so much better than we do! They have everything and we leave like bums!” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bSZmqCeiWU)  This sums up the concern and the anger of most Russians.  They hate seeing world leaving democratic and prosperous life, while “they leave like bums”.  But instead of blaming themselves and their government, what do they do?  They blame the rest of the world.  Of course, there are geopolitical reasons and the energy security (oil and natural gas) involved in the Russian invasion of Georgia, but one cannot dismiss the anger factor.  That immense, colossal anger seeing Georgia, one of the neighbor’s who used to leave in darkness and misery like Russians and all former soviet republics, succeeding in building democratic, prosperous country.  Oh, that exasperation of seeing happy people who want to leave peaceful and prosperous life.  My only hope is that someday Russians will wake up and realize that they too have a chance to leave like humans.  However, with the current Kremlin propaganda and the large mass of uneducated people, this hope seems too remote…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Current State of Russia</p>
<p>Current Russia-Georgia conflict seems to put an end to a common myth about superiority of Russian military power.  All military experts agree that invasion of Georgia clearly demonstrated the poor condition of the Russian army; absence of good communication and night vision gear, rusty tanks and armored carriers, old airplanes with poor precision of hitting military targets, dreadful intelligence, and the list goes on and on… But it seems to me that no one looked at the conditions of the Russian soldiers.  Soldiers who once were shaking and threatening half of the world are now reduced to common thieves, robbers, looters, murderers and maradiors.  They have arrested and beaten 60, 70, 80 year old man and women and killed scores of the innocent civilians with the mandate of ethnic cleansing.  There is enough material on youtube to prove my point (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGfCkPU1-TA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGfCkPU1-TA</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bSZmqCeiWU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bSZmqCeiWU</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfP3X9PGg1g" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfP3X9PGg1g</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFr9iKNy-IY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFr9iKNy-IY</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB_f_Ew1wfY)" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB_f_Ew1wfY)</a>.  These so-called soldiers were stealing anything they could put their hands on.  It really pleased me to see how the Russian “soldiers” were loading their tanks and armored vehicles with used Georgian soldiers’ underwear, blankets, shoes, washing pans, silverware, glassware, and even toilets.  Russians even put on Georgian soldiers’ uniforms claiming that “it was better than their own”.  I do not think you can have army any more discouraged and demoralized than that!  However, I think the problem is even bigger; these so-called solders were destroying everything they could not take with them.  They burned Georgian forests, croplands, bulldozed down houses, put land mines and explosives (so-called afghan candy) targeting youngsters and kids.  Only barbarians with the extreme anger can do things like this.  These facts clearly show not only the state of Russian army, but the vision and the spirit of most common Russian citizens brainwashed by the Kremlin propaganda.  One Russian “soldier” looting Georgian army base is saying “look, look they leave so much better than we do! They have everything and we leave like bums!” (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bSZmqCeiWU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bSZmqCeiWU</a>)  This sums up the concern and the anger of most Russians.  They hate seeing world leaving democratic and prosperous life, while “they leave like bums”.  But instead of blaming themselves and their government, what do they do?  They blame the rest of the world.  Of course, there are geopolitical reasons and the energy security (oil and natural gas) involved in the Russian invasion of Georgia, but one cannot dismiss the anger factor.  That immense, colossal anger seeing Georgia, one of the neighbor’s who used to leave in darkness and misery like Russians and all former soviet republics, succeeding in building democratic, prosperous country.  Oh, that exasperation of seeing happy people who want to leave peaceful and prosperous life.  My only hope is that someday Russians will wake up and realize that they too have a chance to leave like humans.  However, with the current Kremlin propaganda and the large mass of uneducated people, this hope seems too remote…</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Russia regime is really criminal regime</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Russia regime is really criminal regime</p>
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		<title>By: Armenia &#38; the South Caucasus &#124; The Caucasian Knot &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Georgia Dispatches: Humanitarian Needs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armenia &#38; the South Caucasus &#124; The Caucasian Knot &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Georgia Dispatches: Humanitarian Needs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Voices Online&#8217;s Veronica Khokhlova, for example, translates a post by oleg-panfilov on a political action staged by one member of the Young Georgian Lawyer&#8217;s Association &#8212; an organization [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Voices Online&#8217;s Veronica Khokhlova, for example, translates a post by oleg-panfilov on a political action staged by one member of the Young Georgian Lawyer&#8217;s Association &#8212; an organization [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Solana Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solana Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful post.</p>
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		<title>By: RBG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russia-vs-Georgia – new website. 
There is a voting and a lot of comments about war in South Osetia

http://www.russia-vs-georgia.com/

Please Share This Website With Everyone You Know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russia-vs-Georgia – new website.<br />
There is a voting and a lot of comments about war in South Osetia</p>
<p><a href="http://www.russia-vs-georgia.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.russia-vs-georgia.com/</a></p>
<p>Please Share This Website With Everyone You Know</p>
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