Comments on: Angola, Brazil: A culture shock divide http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/17/angola-brazil-a-culture-shock-divide/ The world is talking. Are you listening? Tue, 29 May 2012 17:49:45 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Rodriguez-Feo http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/17/angola-brazil-a-culture-shock-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-1678687 Rodriguez-Feo Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:39:22 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48580#comment-1678687 The increase in commerce at the turn of the century also represents cultural importations to Angola from Brazil. In my dissertation I have a chapter outlining the significance of these importations on Angolan national identity. There appears to be a love-hate relationship with Brazil but upon further analysis, reactions to the imports from Brazil are related to larger political and social issues in the local context. There is a longer-standing relationship between the two countries in various arenas including music and film/television program. Historian Marissa Moorman has explored some of those in terms of the creation of an Angolan national identity. The increase in commerce at the turn of the century also represents cultural importations to Angola from Brazil. In my dissertation I have a chapter outlining the significance of these importations on Angolan national identity. There appears to be a love-hate relationship with Brazil but upon further analysis, reactions to the imports from Brazil are related to larger political and social issues in the local context.

There is a longer-standing relationship between the two countries in various arenas including music and film/television program. Historian Marissa Moorman has explored some of those in terms of the creation of an Angolan national identity.

]]> By: Jo Madeira http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/17/angola-brazil-a-culture-shock-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-1516993 Jo Madeira Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:07:19 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48580#comment-1516993 Cara Senhora, O que aconteceu consigo, não foi por causa da sua cor de pele. Bebados não escolhem suas vitimas baseadas no cor a pele. Sou angolano, negro e já por v’arias vezes passei por situações identicas. Por outro lado se esta é a primeira vez que fizeram-lhe sempre branca num pais de negros é porque nós estamos bem, porque no Brazil um negro sente que o é ao chegar no aeroporto. <strong>GVO Translation</strong> Dear lady What happened to you was not because of the color of your skin. Drunk people do not choose their victims according to their skin color. I am Angolan and many times I faced exact the same situation. On the other hand, if this was the first time that you felt like a white people in a country of blacks it is a good sign because in Brazil a black person feels what they are when landing in the airport. Cara Senhora,

O que aconteceu consigo, não foi por causa da sua cor de pele. Bebados não escolhem suas vitimas baseadas no cor a pele. Sou angolano, negro e já por v’arias vezes passei por situações identicas. Por outro lado se esta é a primeira vez que fizeram-lhe sempre branca num pais de negros é porque nós estamos bem, porque no Brazil um negro sente que o é ao chegar no aeroporto.

GVO Translation

Dear lady

What happened to you was not because of the color of your skin. Drunk people do not choose their victims according to their skin color. I am Angolan and many times I faced exact the same situation. On the other hand, if this was the first time that you felt like a white people in a country of blacks it is a good sign because in Brazil a black person feels what they are when landing in the airport.

]]> By: Jo Madeira http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/17/angola-brazil-a-culture-shock-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-1516991 Jo Madeira Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:01:20 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48580#comment-1516991 The cenario will soon change. The angolanization process is taking place. Very soon very senior and mid management in angola will be held by angolans. Some of these guys have spent most of their lives in the UK and USA where racism is crime, and obsviously both black and whites will benefit from their experience. There is no doubt that Brazilians and Angolans alike have a lot to learn from other cultures where many races have learnt to live together in peace and unity in the last few decades. As an angolan going back to his country with a job contract in my hands i will impartially figth racism and prejudice whenever i can, specially at my work place. I have studied and workerd in England for 16 years. 70% of my mates are whites , because i live in a white dominated ( i mean numerically) country, and so far as i am concerned, when it cames to brains, atitudes and manners, all races and social extracts have their ups and downs. I have worked with clever and not so clever people of all races, and to think that someone is inferior just because of his(her) skin colour is unjust and shows a lack of knowledge about the human race. Europeans living in africa, come with a lot of misconceptions about blacks. The blacks resent the way the are viewed by those and in these circunstances peace cannot exist. I have seen Brazilians in London cleanning the streets, cleanning buildings, working in restaurants, and doing jobs lots of blacks from Nigeria, Ghana, Zambia or Angola would never do. But that didn't make them inferior. They were never looked down. People always appreciated their work. It is important for the brazilians in Angola to understand that they are visitors and as such good behaviour is important in someone elses home. In Brazil they would NEVER have the chance to get as good money as they get in Angola. As far as I am concerned the portuguese because of their atittude are facing the wrath of the angolan people, with working visas being delayed and in some cases honest and hard working people losing the chance to work and live in one of the fastest growing economies in the world, because of the way they looked down on angolans throughout the centuries. Let the brazilians not make the same mistake. The cenario will soon change. The angolanization process is taking place. Very soon very senior and mid management in angola will be held by angolans. Some of these guys have spent most of their lives in the UK and USA where racism is crime, and obsviously both black and whites will benefit from their experience. There is no doubt that Brazilians and Angolans alike have a lot to learn from other cultures where many races have learnt to live together in peace and unity in the last few decades. As an angolan going back to his country with a job contract in my hands i will impartially figth racism and prejudice whenever i can, specially at my work place. I have studied and workerd in England for 16 years. 70% of my mates are whites , because i live in a white dominated ( i mean numerically) country, and so far as i am concerned, when it cames to brains, atitudes and manners, all races and social extracts have their ups and downs. I have worked with clever and not so clever people of all races, and to think that someone is inferior just because of his(her) skin colour is unjust and shows a lack of knowledge about the human race. Europeans living in africa, come with a lot of misconceptions about blacks. The blacks resent the way the are viewed by those and in these circunstances peace cannot exist. I have seen Brazilians in London cleanning the streets, cleanning buildings, working in restaurants, and doing jobs lots of blacks from Nigeria, Ghana, Zambia or Angola would never do. But that didn’t make them inferior. They were never looked down. People always appreciated their work. It is important for the brazilians in Angola to understand that they are visitors and as such good behaviour is important in someone elses home. In Brazil they would NEVER have the chance to get as good money as they get in Angola. As far as I am concerned the portuguese because of their atittude are facing the wrath of the angolan people, with working visas being delayed and in some cases honest and hard working people losing the chance to work and live in one of the fastest growing economies in the world, because of the way they looked down on angolans throughout the centuries. Let the brazilians not make the same mistake.

]]> By: isaac dike http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/17/angola-brazil-a-culture-shock-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-1511306 isaac dike Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:59:39 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48580#comment-1511306 good historical background.keep it up good historical background.keep it up

]]> By: jasireen http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/17/angola-brazil-a-culture-shock-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-1506028 jasireen Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:32:19 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48580#comment-1506028 Most of African American heritage in North America comes from Angola.Even though,Brazil has a geographical,cultural and colonial past.Slavery was a lucrative trade from so many tribes and Kings of the time.There is no ancestral heritage between Africans in Angola and Africans in Brazil.The pattern,slave routes were interlaced with so many actors.Angola is benefiting from global surge of oil.The Angola is moving forward.We have had cases of racism by Portuguese-speaking Africans in Brazil institutions of higher learning What does Brazil bring to the Angolan populace? Is it an exclusive club of expatriate Brazilians in Angola? Brazil has a diverse culture and its economy is modeled on European style. Brazil is a Euro centric.Angola is Afro-centric.There is going to be culture shock Most of African American heritage in North America comes from Angola.Even though,Brazil has a geographical,cultural and colonial past.Slavery was a lucrative trade from so many tribes and Kings of the time.There is no ancestral heritage between Africans in Angola and Africans in Brazil.The pattern,slave routes were interlaced with so many actors.Angola is benefiting from global surge of oil.The Angola is moving forward.We have had cases of racism by Portuguese-speaking Africans in Brazil institutions of higher learning
What does Brazil bring to the Angolan populace? Is it an exclusive club of expatriate Brazilians in Angola?
Brazil has a diverse culture and its economy is modeled on European style.
Brazil is a Euro centric.Angola is Afro-centric.There is going to be culture shock

]]> By: Kool2bbop http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/17/angola-brazil-a-culture-shock-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-1503661 Kool2bbop Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:00:16 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48580#comment-1503661 Angola "exportou", embora de uma forma não deliberada a sua cultura para o Brasil. O Samba, a capoeira, o gingar da mulata, e alguns comportamentos são reflexos disso. Infelizmente, nota-se no negro brasileiro, o mesmo que se verifica na maioria dos angolanos. Certa apatia e complexo de inferioridade em relação aos de pele mais clara. Nota-se também que os negros em Angola são muito submissos e que quando atingem posições mais elevadas na sua carreira profissional tendem em marginalizar ou desdenhar a sua própria cultura e os indivíduos de tom de pele mais escura. Nisso, as semelhanças com o brasileiro é mais do que evidente. Alguns dirão que não existe racismo tanto em Angola como no Brasil. A verdade é que em ambos os países o racismo é superiormente camuflado. Existe um apartheid económico e social evidente. Nos Bancos e empresas de grandes dimensões os negros geralmente ocupam posições mais baixas ainda que tenham habilitações superiores aos seus compatriotas de pele mais clara. GERALMENTE, as escolhas são feitas consoante o tom de pele. DOI, MAS INFELIZMENTE É A VERDADE! Para muitos angolanos de pele mais escura Deus é branco e o Diabo é preto. Nota: Sou preto, angolano, kimbundu e com muito orgulho nas minhas raízes. Luto contra todo o tipo de preconceito, discriminação e submissão. "Kana Ku Baka Oh Wemba Mu Dikano Dia Mukweno" i.e. "Não guarde o mel na boca do outro" <strong>GVO Translation:</strong> Angola "exported", but in a non deliberate way, their culture to Brazil. Samba, capoeira, the sway of the mulatto women, and some behaviors are reflections of that. Unfortunately, in black Brazilian there is the same as in most Angolans. A certain apathy and inferiority complex in relation to the lighter skin. It is also noted that the blacks in Angola are very submissive and when they reach higher positions in their careers they tend to marginalize or scorn their own culture and those of a darker skin. In this, the similarities with Brazilians are more than evident. Some will say that there isn't racism neither in Angola or Brazil. The truth is that in both countries racism is mostly disguised. There is an obvious social and economic apartheid. In the banks and in large corporations, blacks generally occupy lower positions even when they have higher qualifications than those of their compatriots of lighter skin. GENERALLY, choices are made according to the tone of skin. It hurts, but unfortunately THIS IS THE TRUTH! For many darker-skinned Angolans, God is white and the devil is black. Note: I am black, Angolan, Kimbundu and very proud of my roots. I fight against all kinds of prejudice, discrimination and subjugation. "Kana Ku Baka Oh Wemba Mu Dikan Dia Mukweno" i.e. "Do not store honey in the others' mouth" Angola “exportou”, embora de uma forma não deliberada a sua cultura para o Brasil. O Samba, a capoeira, o gingar da mulata, e alguns comportamentos são reflexos disso. Infelizmente, nota-se no negro brasileiro, o mesmo que se verifica na maioria dos angolanos. Certa apatia e complexo de inferioridade em relação aos de pele mais clara. Nota-se também que os negros em Angola são muito submissos e que quando atingem posições mais elevadas na sua carreira profissional tendem em marginalizar ou desdenhar a sua própria cultura e os indivíduos de tom de pele mais escura. Nisso, as semelhanças com o brasileiro é mais do que evidente. Alguns dirão que não existe racismo tanto em Angola como no Brasil. A verdade é que em ambos os países o racismo é superiormente camuflado. Existe um apartheid económico e social evidente. Nos Bancos e empresas de grandes dimensões os negros geralmente ocupam posições mais baixas ainda que tenham habilitações superiores aos seus compatriotas de pele mais clara. GERALMENTE, as escolhas são feitas consoante o tom de pele. DOI, MAS INFELIZMENTE É A VERDADE! Para muitos angolanos de pele mais escura Deus é branco e o Diabo é preto.

Nota:
Sou preto, angolano, kimbundu e com muito orgulho nas minhas raízes. Luto contra todo o tipo de preconceito, discriminação e submissão. “Kana Ku Baka Oh Wemba Mu Dikano Dia Mukweno”
i.e. “Não guarde o mel na boca do outro”

GVO Translation:

Angola “exported”, but in a non deliberate way, their culture to Brazil. Samba, capoeira, the sway of the mulatto women, and some behaviors are reflections of that. Unfortunately, in black Brazilian there is the same as in most Angolans. A certain apathy and inferiority complex in relation to the lighter skin. It is also noted that the blacks in Angola are very submissive and when they reach higher positions in their careers they tend to marginalize or scorn their own culture and those of a darker skin. In this, the similarities with Brazilians are more than evident. Some will say that there isn’t racism neither in Angola or Brazil. The truth is that in both countries racism is mostly disguised. There is an obvious social and economic apartheid. In the banks and in large corporations, blacks generally occupy lower positions even when they have higher qualifications than those of their compatriots of lighter skin. GENERALLY, choices are made according to the tone of skin. It hurts, but unfortunately THIS IS THE TRUTH! For many darker-skinned Angolans, God is white and the devil is black.

Note:
I am black, Angolan, Kimbundu and very proud of my roots. I fight against all kinds of prejudice, discrimination and subjugation. “Kana Ku Baka Oh Wemba Mu Dikan Dia Mukweno”
i.e. “Do not store honey in the others’ mouth”

]]> By: Kunle http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/17/angola-brazil-a-culture-shock-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-1503098 Kunle Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:09:15 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48580#comment-1503098 thanks for the post and links thanks for the post and links

]]> By: Ayesha Saldanha http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/17/angola-brazil-a-culture-shock-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-1502919 Ayesha Saldanha Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:16:48 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48580#comment-1502919 Amazing post - and amazing choice of photos. Amazing post – and amazing choice of photos.

]]> By: Angola, Brasil: O legado que nos une e o oceano que nos separa « lusosfera http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/17/angola-brazil-a-culture-shock-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-1502880 Angola, Brasil: O legado que nos une e o oceano que nos separa « lusosfera Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:43:44 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48580#comment-1502880 [...] com esse post, que me lembrou desse outro post que tinha lido recentemente. Combinados, renderam esse artigo, ainda sem tradução, que aborda questões como imigração e racismo entre o Brasil e a [...] [...] com esse post, que me lembrou desse outro post que tinha lido recentemente. Combinados, renderam esse artigo, ainda sem tradução, que aborda questões como imigração e racismo entre o Brasil e a [...]

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