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	<title>Comments on: China: Fake news plagues Chinese sports reports</title>
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		<title>By: Journalism.co.uk Editors&#8217; Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Online Journalism China: Fake news feeds public mistrust in media</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-3/#comment-1512279</link>
		<dc:creator>Journalism.co.uk Editors&#8217; Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Online Journalism China: Fake news feeds public mistrust in media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] such a wide variety of sources could all be prone to the same inaccuracy seems unlikely, but in a piece sourced from Wang&#8217;s blog and translated by John Kennedy at Global Voices, Wang suggests such mistakes are symptomatic of &#8216;many media&#8217;s pre-existing problem of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] such a wide variety of sources could all be prone to the same inaccuracy seems unlikely, but in a piece sourced from Wang&#8217;s blog and translated by John Kennedy at Global Voices, Wang suggests such mistakes are symptomatic of &#8216;many media&#8217;s pre-existing problem of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chinamatt</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-3/#comment-1504585</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinamatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least it&#039;s not another doping scandal. If this is the biggest controversy of the games, I&#039;d consider the Olympics a great success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least it&#8217;s not another doping scandal. If this is the biggest controversy of the games, I&#8217;d consider the Olympics a great success.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiss of X</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-3/#comment-1504169</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiss of X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hacker finds cached spreadsheets revealing Chinese gymnast&#039;s registered ages:

http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2008/08/hack-olympics.html

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hacker finds cached spreadsheets revealing Chinese gymnast&#8217;s registered ages:</p>
<p><a href="http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2008/08/hack-olympics.html" rel="nofollow">http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2008/08/hack-olympics.html</a></p>
<p>14.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-3/#comment-1503507</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll start off by saying yes, I am an American, and congratulations are in order for the entire Chinese gymnastics team, both female and male, they all did an excellent job. I watch the Olympics because I agree with the basic principle of putting aside national differences and competing against the best athletes in the world.

For this to be the case, rules and regulations are obviously required, and all countries should be expected to follow them. He is an amazing athlete, I will not contest that point at all, she deserved every one of the scores she received. Never-the-less, if seven media articles and multiple government documents all put her at an age below 15, then this deserves some serious investigation into how old she is.

To me it&#039;s not a matter of who she beat, but that she should not have been there in the first place. No matter how this turns out, should she compete in London, I will be more than hapy to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll start off by saying yes, I am an American, and congratulations are in order for the entire Chinese gymnastics team, both female and male, they all did an excellent job. I watch the Olympics because I agree with the basic principle of putting aside national differences and competing against the best athletes in the world.</p>
<p>For this to be the case, rules and regulations are obviously required, and all countries should be expected to follow them. He is an amazing athlete, I will not contest that point at all, she deserved every one of the scores she received. Never-the-less, if seven media articles and multiple government documents all put her at an age below 15, then this deserves some serious investigation into how old she is.</p>
<p>To me it&#8217;s not a matter of who she beat, but that she should not have been there in the first place. No matter how this turns out, should she compete in London, I will be more than hapy to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: chan</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-3/#comment-1503491</link>
		<dc:creator>chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry typo error, should be&quot; Why did you cope US TEAM and CChinese Government after my comment#22 ?&quot; It is not my comment#23</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry typo error, should be&#8221; Why did you cope US TEAM and CChinese Government after my comment#22 ?&#8221; It is not my comment#23</p>
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		<title>By: chan</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-3/#comment-1503488</link>
		<dc:creator>chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cameron,
Why did You cope &quot;US Team&quot; after my comment #23 ? 
Why did You cope Chinese Government again ?
My coment is just only a comment about COMMENT#20 of Kidd.
And, again you have spoke like what I had commented at my comment #22. 
You had make Most of US here see clearly about your thought / intention. Thanks
We cheer for All Teams and members in the Olympic Games :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cameron,<br />
Why did You cope &#8220;US Team&#8221; after my comment #23 ?<br />
Why did You cope Chinese Government again ?<br />
My coment is just only a comment about COMMENT#20 of Kidd.<br />
And, again you have spoke like what I had commented at my comment #22.<br />
You had make Most of US here see clearly about your thought / intention. Thanks<br />
We cheer for All Teams and members in the Olympic Games :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-3/#comment-1503465</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your name is something like &quot;Chan&quot; or &quot;Mulan&quot; or &quot;Support-China&quot; its obvious that you&#039;re just going to COMPLETELY IGNORE whatever evidence is presented to you, because you have blinders on about national pride. So I&#039;m not even talking to people who don&#039;t want to listen. 

This is for people of all descent, race, ethnicity, sex, religious practice, etc. This is for all people who want to believe in this modern sports era that there are any fair sports left. This is not a matter of national pride, racism, or anything else all the chinese-supporting posters on here would try to make it seem. 

You can call Americans poor losers because we are actively investigating whether or not a team is cheating, but even if we had lost we&#039;d still be investigating. You&#039;re attacks won&#039;t bother us, quite as badly as your guilty conscious will bother you. 

The Associate Press is doing the job the IOC and FIG were hired to do, but have been unable to fulfill. 

Never in the history of journalism, fair or faked, have 7 separate news sources all printed the same mistake, let alone having made that same mistake in several issues of their publications. What&#039;s more is when a mistake is printed about a person, there is a 99% likelihood that person HIM/HERSELF will contact the news source to have them correct the mistake. Nobody likes being misquoted, misrepresented, or having lies printed about them. NOBODY. 

American journalists are FIRED just for misspelling names... how do you think an Editor at the NY Times would have handled misprinted ages, OVER AND OVER AGAIN? An official correction would have been published THE NEXT DAY, instead of several years later and conveniently in time for the Olympic games.

So it&#039;s completely obvious the age reported by Chinese media until May of this year was true, and the new age they are reporting is false. 

Furthermore there are multiple registration cards belonging to He Kexin for local meets in China listing here birthdate as Jan 1, 1994. Can&#039;t fake those multiple times either...

Perhaps the most offensive part of all this is the Chinese Government&#039;s complete disregard for personal freedom. I do not suppose anybody with the opportunity to play in the Olympics would actually say &quot;no, i wont lie about my age for this opportunity,&quot; but supposing someone did object... 

do you suppose the Chinese Government would respect the rejection? Or do you suppose they would simply tell the girl &quot;It doesn&#039;t matter what you think. What matters is the prosperity of China, and for China to have respect, you need to be 16 years-old.&quot; I don&#039;t claim to know, but I suspect the latter. 

The bottom line is you&#039;ve got to be 
a) brainwashed
b) ignorant
c) mentally handicapped
d) some combination of all the above

to honestly believe these girls are the legal age. Sure you can say we still shoulda beat them, and if we played our best gymnastics we would have won. But this isn;t about winning. If the US team had come in dead last place, I would still feel as passionate about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your name is something like &#8220;Chan&#8221; or &#8220;Mulan&#8221; or &#8220;Support-China&#8221; its obvious that you&#8217;re just going to COMPLETELY IGNORE whatever evidence is presented to you, because you have blinders on about national pride. So I&#8217;m not even talking to people who don&#8217;t want to listen. </p>
<p>This is for people of all descent, race, ethnicity, sex, religious practice, etc. This is for all people who want to believe in this modern sports era that there are any fair sports left. This is not a matter of national pride, racism, or anything else all the chinese-supporting posters on here would try to make it seem. </p>
<p>You can call Americans poor losers because we are actively investigating whether or not a team is cheating, but even if we had lost we&#8217;d still be investigating. You&#8217;re attacks won&#8217;t bother us, quite as badly as your guilty conscious will bother you. </p>
<p>The Associate Press is doing the job the IOC and FIG were hired to do, but have been unable to fulfill. </p>
<p>Never in the history of journalism, fair or faked, have 7 separate news sources all printed the same mistake, let alone having made that same mistake in several issues of their publications. What&#8217;s more is when a mistake is printed about a person, there is a 99% likelihood that person HIM/HERSELF will contact the news source to have them correct the mistake. Nobody likes being misquoted, misrepresented, or having lies printed about them. NOBODY. </p>
<p>American journalists are FIRED just for misspelling names&#8230; how do you think an Editor at the NY Times would have handled misprinted ages, OVER AND OVER AGAIN? An official correction would have been published THE NEXT DAY, instead of several years later and conveniently in time for the Olympic games.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s completely obvious the age reported by Chinese media until May of this year was true, and the new age they are reporting is false. </p>
<p>Furthermore there are multiple registration cards belonging to He Kexin for local meets in China listing here birthdate as Jan 1, 1994. Can&#8217;t fake those multiple times either&#8230;</p>
<p>Perhaps the most offensive part of all this is the Chinese Government&#8217;s complete disregard for personal freedom. I do not suppose anybody with the opportunity to play in the Olympics would actually say &#8220;no, i wont lie about my age for this opportunity,&#8221; but supposing someone did object&#8230; </p>
<p>do you suppose the Chinese Government would respect the rejection? Or do you suppose they would simply tell the girl &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t matter what you think. What matters is the prosperity of China, and for China to have respect, you need to be 16 years-old.&#8221; I don&#8217;t claim to know, but I suspect the latter. </p>
<p>The bottom line is you&#8217;ve got to be<br />
a) brainwashed<br />
b) ignorant<br />
c) mentally handicapped<br />
d) some combination of all the above</p>
<p>to honestly believe these girls are the legal age. Sure you can say we still shoulda beat them, and if we played our best gymnastics we would have won. But this isn;t about winning. If the US team had come in dead last place, I would still feel as passionate about this.</p>
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		<title>By: chan</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-3/#comment-1503448</link>
		<dc:creator>chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Kidd #20
your comment # 20 really speak like a big losser,your jealous,hostile toward a rival, you believed to enjoy an advantage by insulting make YOU - THE BIGGEST LOSSER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Kidd #20<br />
your comment # 20 really speak like a big losser,your jealous,hostile toward a rival, you believed to enjoy an advantage by insulting make YOU &#8211; THE BIGGEST LOSSER.</p>
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		<title>By: MuLan</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-3/#comment-1503356</link>
		<dc:creator>MuLan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we got raped by the flying fish. . . .maybe he&#039;s on project 911 for doping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we got raped by the flying fish. . . .maybe he&#8217;s on project 911 for doping.</p>
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		<title>By: Kidd</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-3/#comment-1503268</link>
		<dc:creator>Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow ok yeah the age should matter the smaller the easier for gymnasts dipshiots and for the mulan person the age requirement for all sports in the olmypics is 16  duhhh wow ur smart..... nope and yes we have won gold medals and we been raping u guys in swimming and other sports all u guys have on us is diving and like judo which is the result of child labor and put into training camps since the age of probably 5 making kids leave there family......teh communists</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow ok yeah the age should matter the smaller the easier for gymnasts dipshiots and for the mulan person the age requirement for all sports in the olmypics is 16  duhhh wow ur smart&#8230;.. nope and yes we have won gold medals and we been raping u guys in swimming and other sports all u guys have on us is diving and like judo which is the result of child labor and put into training camps since the age of probably 5 making kids leave there family&#8230;&#8230;teh communists</p>
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		<title>By: Therese</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-2/#comment-1502974</link>
		<dc:creator>Therese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second Michael. When official rosters list you as being born in 1994, it&#039;s kind of difficult to just make that disappear. 

Deng Linlin is listed in the same roster as being born in 1992, which I do not doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second Michael. When official rosters list you as being born in 1994, it&#8217;s kind of difficult to just make that disappear. </p>
<p>Deng Linlin is listed in the same roster as being born in 1992, which I do not doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiss of X</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-2/#comment-1502890</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiss of X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad the Boy who Cried Wolf was never translated into Chinese, apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad the Boy who Cried Wolf was never translated into Chinese, apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberta Temby</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-2/#comment-1502545</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberta Temby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An examination by a medical doctor along with one from a dentist should be able to pinpoint with surprising accuracy the age of a growing child.  If there is any controversy about the age of an Olympic participant, this should be a requirement, either just before the competition begins or immediately afterward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An examination by a medical doctor along with one from a dentist should be able to pinpoint with surprising accuracy the age of a growing child.  If there is any controversy about the age of an Olympic participant, this should be a requirement, either just before the competition begins or immediately afterward.</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce Hor-Chung Lau, Hong Kong</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-2/#comment-1502515</link>
		<dc:creator>Joyce Hor-Chung Lau, Hong Kong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Andrew -- The Associated Press dug up provincial records showing some of the Chinese gymnasts to be underaged a bit before the Olympics started, which is what set off a string of journalists looking after this issue. 

@ Mulan -- There has long been great concerns about how young girls are treated by gymnastics coaches. This is not a Beijing 2008 issue. This was an issue in the 80s and 90s, in both Eastern Europe and in America. Severe restriction of food and eating disorders was one issue. I remember reading a book that absolutely slammed the Americans for it. 
I believe the reason it applies to this sport and not others (note the 14-year-old British boy on the diving team) is because female gymnastics does particularly lend itself to having the smallest people possible, and was considered to be particularly open to abuses.  And, speaking of the British boy, there was debate in the U.K. over whether it would be dangerous to push someone of his age to compete. 
And, really, name-calling doesn&#039;t help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Andrew &#8212; The Associated Press dug up provincial records showing some of the Chinese gymnasts to be underaged a bit before the Olympics started, which is what set off a string of journalists looking after this issue. </p>
<p>@ Mulan &#8212; There has long been great concerns about how young girls are treated by gymnastics coaches. This is not a Beijing 2008 issue. This was an issue in the 80s and 90s, in both Eastern Europe and in America. Severe restriction of food and eating disorders was one issue. I remember reading a book that absolutely slammed the Americans for it.<br />
I believe the reason it applies to this sport and not others (note the 14-year-old British boy on the diving team) is because female gymnastics does particularly lend itself to having the smallest people possible, and was considered to be particularly open to abuses.  And, speaking of the British boy, there was debate in the U.K. over whether it would be dangerous to push someone of his age to compete.<br />
And, really, name-calling doesn&#8217;t help.</p>
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		<title>By: shawn</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/15/china-fake-news-plagues-chinese-sports-reports/comment-page-2/#comment-1502413</link>
		<dc:creator>shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what has this got to do with america and bush? you people should just keep to the point of the article.shame on your for not reining in your hate.i&#039;m not from the west,btw.
信不信由你</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what has this got to do with america and bush? you people should just keep to the point of the article.shame on your for not reining in your hate.i&#8217;m not from the west,btw.<br />
信不信由你</p>
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