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	<title>Comments on: China: Citizen reporter Zuola carted off</title>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/14/china-citizen-reporter-zuola-carted-off/comment-page-3/#comment-1505621</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, &quot;im chinese&quot;, you missed the &quot;wolf-babies&quot; reference and the point.  No cigar for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, &#8220;im chinese&#8221;, you missed the &#8220;wolf-babies&#8221; reference and the point.  No cigar for you.</p>
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		<title>By: im chinese</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/14/china-citizen-reporter-zuola-carted-off/comment-page-3/#comment-1504316</link>
		<dc:creator>im chinese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can you imagine living in a doom of 16 people for three years in high school and a doom of 10 people for four years in college, in which the only private space for you is a twin size bed, meaning you have to fit all your belongings, such as computer, cloths, snacks, and books on half of your twin size bed and yourself on the other half. the living condition for boarding school kids are improving now. most dooms have only 4 people, and private study desk and closets. but still, having a private room is such a luxury for chinese students. 

can you imagine taking more than 2 kids to school every morning on a crazily crowded bus in beijing? 

can you imagine your parents in law force you to have more babies until they get a boy, otherwise, you will face the threat of divorce, and the one child policy is actually your only legal weapon/excuse to fight against that tradition? 

if you have no idea what im talking about, forget it and stop judging us based on your spacious life style in the so called developed countries. the existing chinese people also deserve living like you, to live like a real human being. if you think it is cruel to kill a life at conception, have you ever thought that it is also very cruel to torture a human being by putting him/her in such an inhuman living environment for his/her whole life. 

btw, R.Elgin: if you decide to let your &quot;Romulus and Remus&quot; babies raised by wolves in the forest, not sharing the public resources, such as schools, buses, hospitals and etc. i bet the chinese government will leave you alone and might award you for your great contribution to the chinese society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can you imagine living in a doom of 16 people for three years in high school and a doom of 10 people for four years in college, in which the only private space for you is a twin size bed, meaning you have to fit all your belongings, such as computer, cloths, snacks, and books on half of your twin size bed and yourself on the other half. the living condition for boarding school kids are improving now. most dooms have only 4 people, and private study desk and closets. but still, having a private room is such a luxury for chinese students. </p>
<p>can you imagine taking more than 2 kids to school every morning on a crazily crowded bus in beijing? </p>
<p>can you imagine your parents in law force you to have more babies until they get a boy, otherwise, you will face the threat of divorce, and the one child policy is actually your only legal weapon/excuse to fight against that tradition? </p>
<p>if you have no idea what im talking about, forget it and stop judging us based on your spacious life style in the so called developed countries. the existing chinese people also deserve living like you, to live like a real human being. if you think it is cruel to kill a life at conception, have you ever thought that it is also very cruel to torture a human being by putting him/her in such an inhuman living environment for his/her whole life. </p>
<p>btw, R.Elgin: if you decide to let your &#8220;Romulus and Remus&#8221; babies raised by wolves in the forest, not sharing the public resources, such as schools, buses, hospitals and etc. i bet the chinese government will leave you alone and might award you for your great contribution to the chinese society.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/14/china-citizen-reporter-zuola-carted-off/comment-page-3/#comment-1504042</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if -- like Romulus and Remus -- two babies were raised by wolves, in the wilderness, if this would violate the one child policy or are wolf-babies exempt?

Best of fortune to Zuola.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if &#8212; like Romulus and Remus &#8212; two babies were raised by wolves, in the wilderness, if this would violate the one child policy or are wolf-babies exempt?</p>
<p>Best of fortune to Zuola.</p>
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		<title>By: im chinese</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/14/china-citizen-reporter-zuola-carted-off/comment-page-3/#comment-1503478</link>
		<dc:creator>im chinese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry if my last post came off sounding too rude. thank you for your reply, and i understand now that it is just a simple case of translation. based on your  comment, i can see now how it would be kinda confusing to catch some nuances in the chinese text.
 
here is my translation for zola&#039;s blog:

我到家没多久，来了两个年轻人到我家问路，说是听说谁违反了计划生育，问我们知不知道这个人的名字。我们都说没听过这个人的名字，建议他去别的地方问问。他们走了十多分钟后又回来了，这次说是要找管计划生育的妇女主任，说是要考察妇女主作任的工作做得怎么样。然后我让他们去同村的小组长那里去打听。
soon after i came home, two young people came to my house to ask for directions. they asked if we (my family) had heard of a particular person (name not included in blog) who had violated the one child policy. we all said no, and we suggested that they ask around. ten minutes after they left, those same two people came back saying that they were looking for the female supervisor of the local one child policy bureau. they said they wanted to check on how well her office had been doing their job, and i advised them to check with the village official. 

结果先后来了四个政府的人，一对是找被举报违反计划生育的人
as a result, there were four government people in all who came by, two at a time. the first pair were the ones who were looking for the person who violated the one child policy.  

上午借口来找计划生育违归的俩人同保卫处长一起来的，果然是冲我来的。
(later i realized) the two government people who came with the excuse of finding the one child policy violator were actually coming for me. 


so my comment is if you just read that one sentence that was quoted, i can understand how it is not very clear who is under suspicion of violating the one child policy. it is definitely not stated that zola was arrested under suspicion of violating the one child policy. it was actually a ruse for those government people to talk to zola and his family to get some information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry if my last post came off sounding too rude. thank you for your reply, and i understand now that it is just a simple case of translation. based on your  comment, i can see now how it would be kinda confusing to catch some nuances in the chinese text.</p>
<p>here is my translation for zola&#8217;s blog:</p>
<p>我到家没多久，来了两个年轻人到我家问路，说是听说谁违反了计划生育，问我们知不知道这个人的名字。我们都说没听过这个人的名字，建议他去别的地方问问。他们走了十多分钟后又回来了，这次说是要找管计划生育的妇女主任，说是要考察妇女主作任的工作做得怎么样。然后我让他们去同村的小组长那里去打听。<br />
soon after i came home, two young people came to my house to ask for directions. they asked if we (my family) had heard of a particular person (name not included in blog) who had violated the one child policy. we all said no, and we suggested that they ask around. ten minutes after they left, those same two people came back saying that they were looking for the female supervisor of the local one child policy bureau. they said they wanted to check on how well her office had been doing their job, and i advised them to check with the village official. </p>
<p>结果先后来了四个政府的人，一对是找被举报违反计划生育的人<br />
as a result, there were four government people in all who came by, two at a time. the first pair were the ones who were looking for the person who violated the one child policy.  </p>
<p>上午借口来找计划生育违归的俩人同保卫处长一起来的，果然是冲我来的。<br />
(later i realized) the two government people who came with the excuse of finding the one child policy violator were actually coming for me. </p>
<p>so my comment is if you just read that one sentence that was quoted, i can understand how it is not very clear who is under suspicion of violating the one child policy. it is definitely not stated that zola was arrested under suspicion of violating the one child policy. it was actually a ruse for those government people to talk to zola and his family to get some information.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/14/china-citizen-reporter-zuola-carted-off/comment-page-3/#comment-1503439</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@so_damn_lame,
Feel free to read up on Zuola, there&#039;s no shortage of info on him out there. I&#039;d say he doesn&#039;t have a cause in the sense that you seem to be looking for: he blogs, leaves a lot of comments on other people&#039;s blogs, he travels and tells other people&#039;s stories, he wants to be a celebrity, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@so_damn_lame,<br />
Feel free to read up on Zuola, there&#8217;s no shortage of info on him out there. I&#8217;d say he doesn&#8217;t have a cause in the sense that you seem to be looking for: he blogs, leaves a lot of comments on other people&#8217;s blogs, he travels and tells other people&#8217;s stories, he wants to be a celebrity, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/14/china-citizen-reporter-zuola-carted-off/comment-page-2/#comment-1503437</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@im chinese,
Thanks for for your suggestion. I just took it for a typo and assumed that instead of 违归 he meant 违规, in which case I don&#039;t see the problem. You don&#039;t seem to have considered that, so I&#039;m just left wondering how you (or anyone else reading this) would translate 计划生育违归 then, in this context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@im chinese,<br />
Thanks for for your suggestion. I just took it for a typo and assumed that instead of 违归 he meant 违规, in which case I don&#8217;t see the problem. You don&#8217;t seem to have considered that, so I&#8217;m just left wondering how you (or anyone else reading this) would translate 计划生育违归 then, in this context.</p>
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		<title>By: im chinese</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/14/china-citizen-reporter-zuola-carted-off/comment-page-2/#comment-1503397</link>
		<dc:creator>im chinese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who said that &quot;he had violated China&#039;s one-child policy&quot; ???????
is there any chinese text indicating that zola was under arrest for being accused of violating china&#039;s one-child policy????????

上午借口来找计划生育违归的俩人同保卫处长一起来的，果然是冲我来的。
you cut this little piece of information from a whole paragraph of explaining who the two visitors are and twisted the fact. i dont know why you are doing this? if it is because of your poor chinese reading ability, maybe you can consider hiring a better translator, or pay me to do this translation for you. 
我到家没多久，来了两个年轻人到我家问路，说是听说谁违反了计划生育，问我们知不知道这个人的名字。我们都说没听过这个人的名字，建议他去别的地方问问。他们走了十多分钟后又回来了，这次说是要找管计划生育的妇女主任，说是要考察妇女主作任的工作做得怎么样。然后我让他们去同村的小组长那里去打听。
结果先后来了四个政府的人，一对是找被举报违反计划生育的人

if you just want to twist the fact to get more hits for this pathetic fact, (by making the chinese government sound unbelievably stupid and ridiculous to charge an unmarried person without kids for violating the one child policy. i guess they have bad enough reputation in the western press anyways, by making something up to exaggerate a bit more wont make any difference), what can i say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who said that &#8220;he had violated China&#8217;s one-child policy&#8221; ???????<br />
is there any chinese text indicating that zola was under arrest for being accused of violating china&#8217;s one-child policy????????</p>
<p>上午借口来找计划生育违归的俩人同保卫处长一起来的，果然是冲我来的。<br />
you cut this little piece of information from a whole paragraph of explaining who the two visitors are and twisted the fact. i dont know why you are doing this? if it is because of your poor chinese reading ability, maybe you can consider hiring a better translator, or pay me to do this translation for you.<br />
我到家没多久，来了两个年轻人到我家问路，说是听说谁违反了计划生育，问我们知不知道这个人的名字。我们都说没听过这个人的名字，建议他去别的地方问问。他们走了十多分钟后又回来了，这次说是要找管计划生育的妇女主任，说是要考察妇女主作任的工作做得怎么样。然后我让他们去同村的小组长那里去打听。<br />
结果先后来了四个政府的人，一对是找被举报违反计划生育的人</p>
<p>if you just want to twist the fact to get more hits for this pathetic fact, (by making the chinese government sound unbelievably stupid and ridiculous to charge an unmarried person without kids for violating the one child policy. i guess they have bad enough reputation in the western press anyways, by making something up to exaggerate a bit more wont make any difference), what can i say?</p>
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		<title>By: so_damn_lame</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/14/china-citizen-reporter-zuola-carted-off/comment-page-2/#comment-1503379</link>
		<dc:creator>so_damn_lame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo Ant,

&quot;But why no comment about Zuola? Perhaps you don’t care about him because he’s not a member of your family, and thus of complete inconsequence to you. I’d be grateful for some insight into this matter.&quot;

I have an opinion, but it is only an opinion. But as for someone who favors dissent yours might differ from mine a bit. 

The way I see it, the ultra-nationalists don&#039;t give a crap b/c he is not a team player --- well, at least not the team they are rooting for.

At the same time, &quot;other people&quot; don&#039;t care because they can&#039;t use him or his cause as a weapon. Cynical it may be, but ultimately this is probably the only value of the &quot;dissenting voices&quot; to the jackals outside. 

Plus, who&#039;s this Zoula fellow again? And what&#039;s he&#039;s cause again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo Ant,</p>
<p>&#8220;But why no comment about Zuola? Perhaps you don’t care about him because he’s not a member of your family, and thus of complete inconsequence to you. I’d be grateful for some insight into this matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have an opinion, but it is only an opinion. But as for someone who favors dissent yours might differ from mine a bit. </p>
<p>The way I see it, the ultra-nationalists don&#8217;t give a crap b/c he is not a team player &#8212; well, at least not the team they are rooting for.</p>
<p>At the same time, &#8220;other people&#8221; don&#8217;t care because they can&#8217;t use him or his cause as a weapon. Cynical it may be, but ultimately this is probably the only value of the &#8220;dissenting voices&#8221; to the jackals outside. </p>
<p>Plus, who&#8217;s this Zoula fellow again? And what&#8217;s he&#8217;s cause again?</p>
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		<title>By: The real potential of the blogosphere</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/14/china-citizen-reporter-zuola-carted-off/comment-page-2/#comment-1503079</link>
		<dc:creator>The real potential of the blogosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fact that we actually know about this specific incident. The blogger managed to use his Blackberry to post Twitter updates while he was being detained, so his readers (and others who became interested during the process) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fact that we actually know about this specific incident. The blogger managed to use his Blackberry to post Twitter updates while he was being detained, so his readers (and others who became interested during the process) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Ant</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/14/china-citizen-reporter-zuola-carted-off/comment-page-2/#comment-1502795</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but notice that the pro-china lobby camped out at this website doesn&#039;t have much response to this event. Rather, there beating a dead horse about events better responded to on another thread. How droll. As for the American minister who &quot;painted the town red&quot; while he was in Beijing, I would be very surprised if there weren&#039;t sizeable repercussions for him with the U.S. State Dept. acting upon the grievances that the Chinese govt. undoubtedly have expressed to it about the minister&#039;s reckless and immature behaivor, so don&#039;t have a cow, fellas. He&#039;ll have to pay. 

But why no comment about Zuola?  Perhaps you don&#039;t care about him because he&#039;s not a member of your family, and thus of complete inconsequence to you. I&#039;d be grateful for some insight into this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but notice that the pro-china lobby camped out at this website doesn&#8217;t have much response to this event. Rather, there beating a dead horse about events better responded to on another thread. How droll. As for the American minister who &#8220;painted the town red&#8221; while he was in Beijing, I would be very surprised if there weren&#8217;t sizeable repercussions for him with the U.S. State Dept. acting upon the grievances that the Chinese govt. undoubtedly have expressed to it about the minister&#8217;s reckless and immature behaivor, so don&#8217;t have a cow, fellas. He&#8217;ll have to pay. </p>
<p>But why no comment about Zuola?  Perhaps you don&#8217;t care about him because he&#8217;s not a member of your family, and thus of complete inconsequence to you. I&#8217;d be grateful for some insight into this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Dario Salvelli&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Le Olimpiadi di Beijing 2008 in diretta streaming online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dario Salvelli&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Le Olimpiadi di Beijing 2008 in diretta streaming online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Come per lo studente egiziano, un reporter cinese di Global Voices Online è stato arrestato in China durante i giochi olimpici e l&#8217;ha comunicato attraverso [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Elliott Ng</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/14/china-citizen-reporter-zuola-carted-off/comment-page-2/#comment-1502402</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott Ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep tracking this story John...looking forward to hearing more about Zuola.  I guess its amazing he doesn&#039;t get harrassed even more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep tracking this story John&#8230;looking forward to hearing more about Zuola.  I guess its amazing he doesn&#8217;t get harrassed even more often.</p>
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		<title>By: Chinese blogger hauled off - but alerted twitter! &#171; Lactating Bookworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chinese blogger hauled off - but alerted twitter! &#171; Lactating Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chinese blogger hauled off - but alerted&#160;twitter! Filed under: Chinese, blogs &#8212; Tags: Add new tag, China, freedom of speech, Human rights &#8212; lactatingbookworm @ 6:37 am   From his blackberry! http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/14/china-citizen-reporter-zuola-carted-off/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chinese blogger hauled off &#8211; but alerted&nbsp;twitter! Filed under: Chinese, blogs &#8212; Tags: Add new tag, China, freedom of speech, Human rights &#8212; lactatingbookworm @ 6:37 am   From his blackberry! <a href="http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/14/china-citizen-reporter-zuola-carted-off/" rel="nofollow">http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/14/china-citizen-reporter-zuola-carted-off/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Emmanuel Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmanuel Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laborers of the world, intellectual and physical, must unite to ensure freedom from tyranny of the ruling class.  It&#039;s the same worldwide, rich getting richer and poor being victimized.  We must be fair to have a just world for all.

We&#039;re pulling for you, Zuola.  Keep up the fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laborers of the world, intellectual and physical, must unite to ensure freedom from tyranny of the ruling class.  It&#8217;s the same worldwide, rich getting richer and poor being victimized.  We must be fair to have a just world for all.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re pulling for you, Zuola.  Keep up the fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Le journal des JO 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Le journal des JO 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Arrestations en direct...&lt;/strong&gt;

L&#039;avantage des JO de Pékin, c&#039;est que, malgré les efforts du Parti pour enrober de sucre la répression intérieure, les agissements de l&#039;Etat policier chinois peuvent être filmés par la presse internationale.

Ainsi, l&#039;arrestation du journal...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Arrestations en direct&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>L&#8217;avantage des JO de Pékin, c&#8217;est que, malgré les efforts du Parti pour enrober de sucre la répression intérieure, les agissements de l&#8217;Etat policier chinois peuvent être filmés par la presse internationale.</p>
<p>Ainsi, l&#8217;arrestation du journal&#8230;</p>
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