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	<title>Comments on: Georgia, Russia: Tbilisi Reports</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Lamb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Lamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having watched all the news channels on English TV even the Russian channel RT the word Genocide is used a lot by politicians, all the reporters that are out in the conflict not one has reported genocide, what happened in the former Yugoslavia was genocide,the deaths that occured to the civilian population are tragic but happen in any conflict just look at Iraq the amount of civilians that are killed on a daily basis,but has never been classed as genocide,saakashvili is a gangster who is inflicting misery on the Georgian population for no apparent reason than his own gratification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having watched all the news channels on English TV even the Russian channel RT the word Genocide is used a lot by politicians, all the reporters that are out in the conflict not one has reported genocide, what happened in the former Yugoslavia was genocide,the deaths that occured to the civilian population are tragic but happen in any conflict just look at Iraq the amount of civilians that are killed on a daily basis,but has never been classed as genocide,saakashvili is a gangster who is inflicting misery on the Georgian population for no apparent reason than his own gratification.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Julia,

I respect your opinion. But like many in the world,I wonder if peacekeeping forced (as you said) always bombed civilians. We shared the grievances for the victims on both sides.But you have to learn the difference between military and thiefs. You have to admit the real reason why people in the former Soviet Union don&#039;t want to go back to the early days,why they tried to protect themselves from your beloved country.</description>
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<p>I respect your opinion. But like many in the world,I wonder if peacekeeping forced (as you said) always bombed civilians. We shared the grievances for the victims on both sides.But you have to learn the difference between military and thiefs. You have to admit the real reason why people in the former Soviet Union don&#8217;t want to go back to the early days,why they tried to protect themselves from your beloved country.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Lamb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Lamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am english and have been watching the events unfold in Georgia since the start, I dont agree with the attacks by georgia on the breakaway states, but what was surprising is the time it took the Russians to mobilise that many tanks and troops to protect the breakaway states. I have a Georgian friend who lives in Tbilisi and knowing her the ordinary Georgians would not have wanted this conflict.I think if Saakashvili is left in power he will continue to be a loose canon, It is up to the Georgian people to say enough is enough and remove him from power before he destroys the country.The Americans are that fickle they would drop Saakashvili as a friend at the drop of a hat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am english and have been watching the events unfold in Georgia since the start, I dont agree with the attacks by georgia on the breakaway states, but what was surprising is the time it took the Russians to mobilise that many tanks and troops to protect the breakaway states. I have a Georgian friend who lives in Tbilisi and knowing her the ordinary Georgians would not have wanted this conflict.I think if Saakashvili is left in power he will continue to be a loose canon, It is up to the Georgian people to say enough is enough and remove him from power before he destroys the country.The Americans are that fickle they would drop Saakashvili as a friend at the drop of a hat.</p>
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		<title>By: RBG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russia-vs-Georgia  - New website about conflict

Vote for one of the sides

http://www.russia-vs-georgia.com/</description>
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<p>Vote for one of the sides</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Sears</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Sears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s time for Georgia to cut its losses and just GIVE Russia both South Ossetia and Abkhazia! Oh, yeah, I know - those regions want their &quot;independence&quot;. Yeah, right.... Like Russia is going to let them be independent... what a laugh. 
Georgia, this is what you need to do: abandon South Ossetia and Abkhazia to the hell of Russian domination if that&#039;s what they want (and even if it&#039;s not), let Russia have the headache of Ossetian and Abkhazian separatism- they&#039;ll make a nice &quot;bouquet&quot; for Russia together with Chechnya... not to mention the impending crises in Russia&#039;s eastern regions.
Then secure the Georgian borders once and for all, join NATO and the EU and tell Russia where-it-can-go. It&#039;s time finally for Russia to know where its power ends.
As for the West, it&#039;s way, way past time finally to establish energy independence and boycott Russian oil. Stop drenching Russia with the capital it needs to pursue its dreams of empire.
The world needs to LISTEN to the presidents of Poland, Ukraine, Latvia and Estonia who gathered in Tbilisi. They KNOW what they&#039;re talking about more than ANY of the obsessively malcontented westerners who have glommed onto this event as just another chance to rant hysterically against George Bush. Those spoiled westerners never lived under the Russian empire.
As one of my Ukrainian neighbors said to me this morning, &quot;Russia is the world&#039;s number one aggressor.&quot; He  reminded me that while people talk about how WWII &quot;started&quot; on September 1, 1939 when Germany invaded Poland, people for some reason forget that the USSR invaded Poland and Finland from the other side on September 15th. The USSR was hand-in-hand with Germany in launching the aggressions that launched WWII.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time for Georgia to cut its losses and just GIVE Russia both South Ossetia and Abkhazia! Oh, yeah, I know &#8211; those regions want their &#8220;independence&#8221;. Yeah, right&#8230;. Like Russia is going to let them be independent&#8230; what a laugh.<br />
Georgia, this is what you need to do: abandon South Ossetia and Abkhazia to the hell of Russian domination if that&#8217;s what they want (and even if it&#8217;s not), let Russia have the headache of Ossetian and Abkhazian separatism- they&#8217;ll make a nice &#8220;bouquet&#8221; for Russia together with Chechnya&#8230; not to mention the impending crises in Russia&#8217;s eastern regions.<br />
Then secure the Georgian borders once and for all, join NATO and the EU and tell Russia where-it-can-go. It&#8217;s time finally for Russia to know where its power ends.<br />
As for the West, it&#8217;s way, way past time finally to establish energy independence and boycott Russian oil. Stop drenching Russia with the capital it needs to pursue its dreams of empire.<br />
The world needs to LISTEN to the presidents of Poland, Ukraine, Latvia and Estonia who gathered in Tbilisi. They KNOW what they&#8217;re talking about more than ANY of the obsessively malcontented westerners who have glommed onto this event as just another chance to rant hysterically against George Bush. Those spoiled westerners never lived under the Russian empire.<br />
As one of my Ukrainian neighbors said to me this morning, &#8220;Russia is the world&#8217;s number one aggressor.&#8221; He  reminded me that while people talk about how WWII &#8220;started&#8221; on September 1, 1939 when Germany invaded Poland, people for some reason forget that the USSR invaded Poland and Finland from the other side on September 15th. The USSR was hand-in-hand with Germany in launching the aggressions that launched WWII.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter how much you all like to pretend that Georgians are the blame in all of this and you&#039;re not geedy about your motherlands imperialistic intentions towards it&#039;s ex soviet territories, sooner or later you&#039;ll have to own up to your governments dirty deeds; as the actual and true stories of ethnic clensing pure in by actual human rights observers regarding true Russian military autrocities against the Georgians in Georgia. And as secretary of state said early today we&#039;re not living in 1964 anymore where you can roll up. Your tanks and improvise a regime change the way mr Putin wants to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how much you all like to pretend that Georgians are the blame in all of this and you&#8217;re not geedy about your motherlands imperialistic intentions towards it&#8217;s ex soviet territories, sooner or later you&#8217;ll have to own up to your governments dirty deeds; as the actual and true stories of ethnic clensing pure in by actual human rights observers regarding true Russian military autrocities against the Georgians in Georgia. And as secretary of state said early today we&#8217;re not living in 1964 anymore where you can roll up. Your tanks and improvise a regime change the way mr Putin wants to.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Adkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Adkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Ian Mortimer; Mr. Mortimer; I do not support this government, I never have endorsed the policies of this president or any other.My only concern is for the peace and humanity of this planet. I may be an American by birth, but not by choice. I do not consider myself to be an adherent of this governments foreign policies nor its treatment of other peoples,governments. I am very well aware,Mr. Mortimer of the lies this government spews to the world and indeed its own people since this wretched country began.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ian Mortimer; Mr. Mortimer; I do not support this government, I never have endorsed the policies of this president or any other.My only concern is for the peace and humanity of this planet. I may be an American by birth, but not by choice. I do not consider myself to be an adherent of this governments foreign policies nor its treatment of other peoples,governments. I am very well aware,Mr. Mortimer of the lies this government spews to the world and indeed its own people since this wretched country began.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mortimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Mortimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Stefan 
Stephan i hope you are not someone who supports the American government actions in any way (ie war in Iraq, Afghanistan or their support of tyrants in South America)
Otherwise your accusations of Russian lies would smack of extreme hypocracy. The American authorities wrote the
book on lying to start wars and have funded more fascist murdering states in South America than Is posible to mention here. Now it looks like they are doing the same thing in Europe. 
We are not stupid!  The proven lies that The US used to start the war in Iraq ( leading to the deaths of a million people) are still fresh in our minds. So, if you are a supporter of the US government please give it a few more years before you start moralizing about the actions of others around the world. At least then it will only make our stomachs churn rather than making us physically sick. 
 Ofcourse not everything Russia has said will be true, but they are being outlied on a massive scale by the Georgian govt. and western media for whom it does not seem to matter that Georgia started this conflict or the fact that around 2000 people (many Russian) were killed when they bombed South Osetia.
Not everything that Russia does is wrong. They, along with every other country in the world have the right to defend themselves when attacked. 
And for those who have sympathy for Saakashvilli, just remember this is a man who sent police out to beat up and tear gas 50,000 of his own people who were conducting a peaceful demo against him (look it up Nov 2007). He throws people who oppse him in jail and has been repeatedly accused of corruption by fellow politicians in Georgia. He is not a nice man.

(Oh, and Stefan apologies in advance if you are not a supporter US policies around the world)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Stefan<br />
Stephan i hope you are not someone who supports the American government actions in any way (ie war in Iraq, Afghanistan or their support of tyrants in South America)<br />
Otherwise your accusations of Russian lies would smack of extreme hypocracy. The American authorities wrote the<br />
book on lying to start wars and have funded more fascist murdering states in South America than Is posible to mention here. Now it looks like they are doing the same thing in Europe.<br />
We are not stupid!  The proven lies that The US used to start the war in Iraq ( leading to the deaths of a million people) are still fresh in our minds. So, if you are a supporter of the US government please give it a few more years before you start moralizing about the actions of others around the world. At least then it will only make our stomachs churn rather than making us physically sick.<br />
 Ofcourse not everything Russia has said will be true, but they are being outlied on a massive scale by the Georgian govt. and western media for whom it does not seem to matter that Georgia started this conflict or the fact that around 2000 people (many Russian) were killed when they bombed South Osetia.<br />
Not everything that Russia does is wrong. They, along with every other country in the world have the right to defend themselves when attacked.<br />
And for those who have sympathy for Saakashvilli, just remember this is a man who sent police out to beat up and tear gas 50,000 of his own people who were conducting a peaceful demo against him (look it up Nov 2007). He throws people who oppse him in jail and has been repeatedly accused of corruption by fellow politicians in Georgia. He is not a nice man.</p>
<p>(Oh, and Stefan apologies in advance if you are not a supporter US policies around the world)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had no choice
Leaders in the Caucasus must stop flexing military muscle and develop the grounds for lasting peace
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    * Mikhail Gorbachev
    * The Guardian,
    * Wednesday August 13 2008
    * Article history

The past week&#039;s events in South Ossetia are bound to shock and pain anyone. Already, thousands of people have died, tens of thousands have been turned into refugees, and towns and villages lie in ruins. Nothing can justify this loss of life and destruction. It is a warning to all.

The roots of this tragedy lie in the decision of Georgia&#039;s separatist leaders in 1991 to abolish South Ossetian autonomy. Each time successive Georgian leaders tried to impose their will by force - both in South Ossetia and in Abkhazia, where the issues of autonomy are similar - it only made the situation worse.

Nevertheless, it was still possible to find a political solution. Clearly, the only way to solve the South Ossetian problem on that basis is through peaceful means. The Georgian leadership flouted this key principle.

What happened on the night of August 7 is beyond comprehension. The Georgian military attacked the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali with multiple rocket launchers designed to devastate large areas. Russia had to respond. To accuse it of aggression against &quot;small, defenceless Georgia&quot; is not just hypocritical but shows a lack of humanity.

The Georgian leadership could do this only with the perceived support and encouragement of a much more powerful force. Georgian armed forces were trained by hundreds of US instructors, and its sophisticated military equipment was bought in a number of countries. This, coupled with the promise of Nato membership, emboldened Georgian leaders.

Now that the military assault has been routed, both the Georgian government and its supporters should rethink their position. When the problems of South Ossetia and Abkhazia first flared up, I proposed that they be settled through a federation that would grant broad autonomy to the two republics. This idea was dismissed, particularly by the Georgians. Attitudes gradually shifted, but after last week it will be much more difficult to strike a deal even on such a basis.

Small nations of the Caucasus do have a history of living together. It has been demonstrated that a lasting peace is possible, that tolerance and cooperation can create conditions for normal life and development. Nothing is more important. The region&#039;s political leaders need to realise this. Instead of flexing military muscle, they should devote their efforts to building the groundwork for durable peace.

Over the past few days, some western nations have taken positions, particularly in the UN security council, that have been far from balanced. As a result, the security council was not able to act effectively from the very start of this conflict. By declaring the Caucasus, a region that is thousands of miles from the American continent, a sphere of its &quot;national interest&quot;, the US made a serious blunder. Of course, peace in the Caucasus is in everyone&#039;s interest. But it is simply common sense to recognise that Russia is rooted there by common geography and centuries of history. Russia is not seeking territorial expansion, but it has legitimate interests in this region.

The international community&#039;s long-term aim could be to create a sub-regional system of security and cooperation that would make any provocation, and the very possibility of crises such as this one, impossible. Building this type of system would be challenging and could only be accomplished with the cooperation of the region&#039;s countries themselves. Nations outside the region could perhaps help, too - but only if they take a fair and objective stance. A lesson from recent events is that geopolitical games are dangerous anywhere, not just in the Caucasus.

· Mikhail Gorbachev was the last president of the Soviet Union; he was awarded the Nobel peace prize in 1990

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had no choice<br />
Leaders in the Caucasus must stop flexing military muscle and develop the grounds for lasting peace<br />
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<p>    * Mikhail Gorbachev<br />
    * The Guardian,<br />
    * Wednesday August 13 2008<br />
    * Article history</p>
<p>The past week&#8217;s events in South Ossetia are bound to shock and pain anyone. Already, thousands of people have died, tens of thousands have been turned into refugees, and towns and villages lie in ruins. Nothing can justify this loss of life and destruction. It is a warning to all.</p>
<p>The roots of this tragedy lie in the decision of Georgia&#8217;s separatist leaders in 1991 to abolish South Ossetian autonomy. Each time successive Georgian leaders tried to impose their will by force &#8211; both in South Ossetia and in Abkhazia, where the issues of autonomy are similar &#8211; it only made the situation worse.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, it was still possible to find a political solution. Clearly, the only way to solve the South Ossetian problem on that basis is through peaceful means. The Georgian leadership flouted this key principle.</p>
<p>What happened on the night of August 7 is beyond comprehension. The Georgian military attacked the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali with multiple rocket launchers designed to devastate large areas. Russia had to respond. To accuse it of aggression against &#8220;small, defenceless Georgia&#8221; is not just hypocritical but shows a lack of humanity.</p>
<p>The Georgian leadership could do this only with the perceived support and encouragement of a much more powerful force. Georgian armed forces were trained by hundreds of US instructors, and its sophisticated military equipment was bought in a number of countries. This, coupled with the promise of Nato membership, emboldened Georgian leaders.</p>
<p>Now that the military assault has been routed, both the Georgian government and its supporters should rethink their position. When the problems of South Ossetia and Abkhazia first flared up, I proposed that they be settled through a federation that would grant broad autonomy to the two republics. This idea was dismissed, particularly by the Georgians. Attitudes gradually shifted, but after last week it will be much more difficult to strike a deal even on such a basis.</p>
<p>Small nations of the Caucasus do have a history of living together. It has been demonstrated that a lasting peace is possible, that tolerance and cooperation can create conditions for normal life and development. Nothing is more important. The region&#8217;s political leaders need to realise this. Instead of flexing military muscle, they should devote their efforts to building the groundwork for durable peace.</p>
<p>Over the past few days, some western nations have taken positions, particularly in the UN security council, that have been far from balanced. As a result, the security council was not able to act effectively from the very start of this conflict. By declaring the Caucasus, a region that is thousands of miles from the American continent, a sphere of its &#8220;national interest&#8221;, the US made a serious blunder. Of course, peace in the Caucasus is in everyone&#8217;s interest. But it is simply common sense to recognise that Russia is rooted there by common geography and centuries of history. Russia is not seeking territorial expansion, but it has legitimate interests in this region.</p>
<p>The international community&#8217;s long-term aim could be to create a sub-regional system of security and cooperation that would make any provocation, and the very possibility of crises such as this one, impossible. Building this type of system would be challenging and could only be accomplished with the cooperation of the region&#8217;s countries themselves. Nations outside the region could perhaps help, too &#8211; but only if they take a fair and objective stance. A lesson from recent events is that geopolitical games are dangerous anywhere, not just in the Caucasus.</p>
<p>· Mikhail Gorbachev was the last president of the Soviet Union; he was awarded the Nobel peace prize in 1990</p>
<p>© Washington Post</p>
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		<title>By: Lada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tbilisi started to receive calls from people in Gori, Zugdidi and Poti (mostly Gori) telling the horrible stories of crimes being commited by Russian army in these cities. Massive looting, concentration camps, genocide of Georgian civilian population, people being killed and kidnapped just because they are Georgians, houses burned, goods taken away... People cry and ask for help. Nobody can help because of the Medvedev&#039;s &#039;order&#039; to eliminate everybody on the first sign of resistance. While with one hand having signed the ceasefire agreement, with the other Russia is destroying Georgian population. The world is letting second Chechnya happen. How can Russian government dare to talk about genocide of Ossetian people when only a third of them lived in South Ossetia during the last 15 years. The reast live in Georgia proper or in Russia. The ones in Georgia live peacefully like regular Georgian citizens never being discriminated or otherwise mistreated on ehtnic basis. My boyfriend is Ossetian living and working in Tbilisi. Never was he treated badly by anyone. Those who chose to stay in South Ossetia and become Russian citizens (illegaly by the way) are only a small part of eithnic Ossetians living in Georgia - most of them fled to Russia now and are there alive. What genocide is Russia talking about? The figure of 2,000 dead includes Russian occupational military, their soldiers who are not welcomed here. Who now are killing Georgian women and men. It&#039;s our land!!!!! People wake up and say your word until it&#039;s too late!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tbilisi started to receive calls from people in Gori, Zugdidi and Poti (mostly Gori) telling the horrible stories of crimes being commited by Russian army in these cities. Massive looting, concentration camps, genocide of Georgian civilian population, people being killed and kidnapped just because they are Georgians, houses burned, goods taken away&#8230; People cry and ask for help. Nobody can help because of the Medvedev&#8217;s &#8216;order&#8217; to eliminate everybody on the first sign of resistance. While with one hand having signed the ceasefire agreement, with the other Russia is destroying Georgian population. The world is letting second Chechnya happen. How can Russian government dare to talk about genocide of Ossetian people when only a third of them lived in South Ossetia during the last 15 years. The reast live in Georgia proper or in Russia. The ones in Georgia live peacefully like regular Georgian citizens never being discriminated or otherwise mistreated on ehtnic basis. My boyfriend is Ossetian living and working in Tbilisi. Never was he treated badly by anyone. Those who chose to stay in South Ossetia and become Russian citizens (illegaly by the way) are only a small part of eithnic Ossetians living in Georgia &#8211; most of them fled to Russia now and are there alive. What genocide is Russia talking about? The figure of 2,000 dead includes Russian occupational military, their soldiers who are not welcomed here. Who now are killing Georgian women and men. It&#8217;s our land!!!!! People wake up and say your word until it&#8217;s too late!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to tell everyone: anything that goes beyond and is out of reach of ordinary peoples mind is the policy with its hidden pitfalls, ins and outs and not much of them is clear to understand. What is happening wright now or something that has already affected our lives in the past is what we can take with us to pass it thourgh the comming generations, which to my believe will be living in different world. The lives of victims taken by tragedy in South Osetia will be long remembarance for Osetians and no one can or have a brutal right to convince them that these people died because of separatis regime was rulling in Osetia. What matters is that the world today has nothing more to offer other than to start hostility for making nations even so small as Osetia to believe that they are a part of this world (Serbia, Irak are clear examples). May be more prudent is to start thinking of the consequences long before stepping towards a clear aggression for which ever reason it can be judged by politicians. Consequences are what stays for long life in the minds of people, that can not be ruled by anyone even by most smart politicians in the world interpreting the invasion or aggression or shoottng bombs over the sleeping city as something that helps to restore territorial integrity. It is a boolshit, if you will and seek to live in piece with others it is no time for war of anykind, piece even brough by war is like a water that can be kept but it runs from you once it finds a way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to tell everyone: anything that goes beyond and is out of reach of ordinary peoples mind is the policy with its hidden pitfalls, ins and outs and not much of them is clear to understand. What is happening wright now or something that has already affected our lives in the past is what we can take with us to pass it thourgh the comming generations, which to my believe will be living in different world. The lives of victims taken by tragedy in South Osetia will be long remembarance for Osetians and no one can or have a brutal right to convince them that these people died because of separatis regime was rulling in Osetia. What matters is that the world today has nothing more to offer other than to start hostility for making nations even so small as Osetia to believe that they are a part of this world (Serbia, Irak are clear examples). May be more prudent is to start thinking of the consequences long before stepping towards a clear aggression for which ever reason it can be judged by politicians. Consequences are what stays for long life in the minds of people, that can not be ruled by anyone even by most smart politicians in the world interpreting the invasion or aggression or shoottng bombs over the sleeping city as something that helps to restore territorial integrity. It is a boolshit, if you will and seek to live in piece with others it is no time for war of anykind, piece even brough by war is like a water that can be kept but it runs from you once it finds a way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: WitnessLA.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogging (and Hacking) Georgia</title>
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		<dc:creator>WitnessLA.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogging (and Hacking) Georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here, for example, they&#8217;ve gathered some posts by bloggers in Tbilisi, Georgia. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evetything I see clear now - is that americam people know nothing about this conflict... But most of them just want to blame Russia by any chance, using any not proven reason...
The negation of facts - is right an americans pisition...

standart phrase: &quot;I am an American, and haven’t been outside of the states...&quot; - absurd! How can you tell us something if you even don`t know what happens in your country??? just to repeat nonsense???


Greg wrote: &quot;Obama is scary because is “compassion” and propensity to “talk things out” and wanting to have us al “just get along” is a juvenile outlook to world politics and will only embolden countries like Iran, North Korea, China, Russia to push their weight around without any checks and balances...&quot; - Greg youre right. America must dominate everywhere... Afganisran, Iran, Iraq, Serbia, Yugoslavia, South Korea, China, Cuba, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Georgia... everywhere - this is the only way YOU (Americans) can be satisfied... )))
USA - is aiming to become worli gendarme bulldog that says to everybody how to live properly in theirs own territory... PROPERLY - means according to the &quot;right USA`s recommendation&quot;. Hey! Stup teaching us! Just try to live without interfering in other countries! Keep your so called &quot;democracy implandation&quot; over the world! Stop &quot;cloning&quot; the same people as you (because Americans is NOT the best pattern for cloning). All the people are different and nobody must oppose to that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evetything I see clear now &#8211; is that americam people know nothing about this conflict&#8230; But most of them just want to blame Russia by any chance, using any not proven reason&#8230;<br />
The negation of facts &#8211; is right an americans pisition&#8230;</p>
<p>standart phrase: &#8220;I am an American, and haven’t been outside of the states&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; absurd! How can you tell us something if you even don`t know what happens in your country??? just to repeat nonsense???</p>
<p>Greg wrote: &#8220;Obama is scary because is “compassion” and propensity to “talk things out” and wanting to have us al “just get along” is a juvenile outlook to world politics and will only embolden countries like Iran, North Korea, China, Russia to push their weight around without any checks and balances&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; Greg youre right. America must dominate everywhere&#8230; Afganisran, Iran, Iraq, Serbia, Yugoslavia, South Korea, China, Cuba, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Georgia&#8230; everywhere &#8211; this is the only way YOU (Americans) can be satisfied&#8230; )))<br />
USA &#8211; is aiming to become worli gendarme bulldog that says to everybody how to live properly in theirs own territory&#8230; PROPERLY &#8211; means according to the &#8220;right USA`s recommendation&#8221;. Hey! Stup teaching us! Just try to live without interfering in other countries! Keep your so called &#8220;democracy implandation&#8221; over the world! Stop &#8220;cloning&#8221; the same people as you (because Americans is NOT the best pattern for cloning). All the people are different and nobody must oppose to that!</p>
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		<title>By: Serge</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/12/georgia-russia-tbilisi-reports/comment-page-3/#comment-1500322</link>
		<dc:creator>Serge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these stories was told by South Ossetia`s people,but here, in US we probably never ever will hear the truth,because for last years people of US were foolish by mass media about real situation in Ossetia,Afghanistan and Iraq.Did you notice that there is no reportage and interview from ossetian`s people?Why?
Why people do not have information about real situation in Iraq?American citizens,young,healthy,full of life people, come home in a caskets.What they died  for?But don`t tell me about establishing democracy in Iraq,that`s a bull shit.Even people who came home from Iraq alive, committing suicide in huge numbers.
P.S.By the way Stalin(Djugashvili),who killed millions people in Russia was georgian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these stories was told by South Ossetia`s people,but here, in US we probably never ever will hear the truth,because for last years people of US were foolish by mass media about real situation in Ossetia,Afghanistan and Iraq.Did you notice that there is no reportage and interview from ossetian`s people?Why?<br />
Why people do not have information about real situation in Iraq?American citizens,young,healthy,full of life people, come home in a caskets.What they died  for?But don`t tell me about establishing democracy in Iraq,that`s a bull shit.Even people who came home from Iraq alive, committing suicide in huge numbers.<br />
P.S.By the way Stalin(Djugashvili),who killed millions people in Russia was georgian.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Sumner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Sumner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the previous bloggers have stated before, I myself an African American stand with the people from Georgia as they go through this dark period. I want to send my prayers and blessings and hope that this cease-fire agreement will take hold and create immediate peace between both nations, although death and animosity still lingers in the air. I also want to as a young African American, apologize for the feeling of betrayal and neglect for our response through these troubling times. You know people talk about Russia&#039;s history and &quot;track record&quot; on how it treats fellow man along with there own people. Some would say that Russia has a dark past. Might I add though.....DONT WE ALL! The American Government has no right to talk about someone and there history to human rights, when then this country till this day is racially divided and socially torn between different religious, racial, economical, and political parties. You can&#039;t for once talk down on Russia for there past when The United States has such a dark history. A history of intrusion, false accusations, hate, and unjust to there own Americans as well as other nations. I for one have seen it first hand. How can the American government talk to another nations leader in a chastising manner about nuclear weapons and the US government is the one who opened up Pandora’s box. I mean we don’t even acknowledge the event that took place on Aug. 6th 1945. Even when there are still survivors alive this present day. To all those Georgians that have the feeling of betrayal done by the U.S, I apologize on my country&#039;s behalf. For my whole life and from my experiences and the visions that are embedded in my mind, along with the stories of unjust and demoralizing events that have taken place. I understand the betrayal that you feel, and my prayers and blessings go out to The people of Georgia, Russia, Iraq, and Darfur. The American Gov. has failed us all. We are all equal, no matter ethnicity or your religious background. The respect we must have for one another is automatically mutual, which is something that the Americans who have been miss-guiding us don&#039;t understand. One love to all, and may all who read sleep in peace without fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the previous bloggers have stated before, I myself an African American stand with the people from Georgia as they go through this dark period. I want to send my prayers and blessings and hope that this cease-fire agreement will take hold and create immediate peace between both nations, although death and animosity still lingers in the air. I also want to as a young African American, apologize for the feeling of betrayal and neglect for our response through these troubling times. You know people talk about Russia&#8217;s history and &#8220;track record&#8221; on how it treats fellow man along with there own people. Some would say that Russia has a dark past. Might I add though&#8230;..DONT WE ALL! The American Government has no right to talk about someone and there history to human rights, when then this country till this day is racially divided and socially torn between different religious, racial, economical, and political parties. You can&#8217;t for once talk down on Russia for there past when The United States has such a dark history. A history of intrusion, false accusations, hate, and unjust to there own Americans as well as other nations. I for one have seen it first hand. How can the American government talk to another nations leader in a chastising manner about nuclear weapons and the US government is the one who opened up Pandora’s box. I mean we don’t even acknowledge the event that took place on Aug. 6th 1945. Even when there are still survivors alive this present day. To all those Georgians that have the feeling of betrayal done by the U.S, I apologize on my country&#8217;s behalf. For my whole life and from my experiences and the visions that are embedded in my mind, along with the stories of unjust and demoralizing events that have taken place. I understand the betrayal that you feel, and my prayers and blessings go out to The people of Georgia, Russia, Iraq, and Darfur. The American Gov. has failed us all. We are all equal, no matter ethnicity or your religious background. The respect we must have for one another is automatically mutual, which is something that the Americans who have been miss-guiding us don&#8217;t understand. One love to all, and may all who read sleep in peace without fear.</p>
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