Comments on: South Ossetia: Georgia, Russia and the U.S. Presidential Election http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/ The world is talking. Are you listening? Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:13:24 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Illya Kuryakin http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-6/#comment-1515572 Illya Kuryakin Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:11:17 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1515572 Does anyone know how the Iraq war is being financed? Where are the billions of USD being pumped into the long-drawn endless war coming from? The sources are all shrouded in mystery. The US economy is on a downward spiral at the fag end of the Bush presidency. ENRON was the first scam. God knows what's to follow after a string of nationalizations and billion dollar bailouts by the US government. . I am sure there's a direct relationship between the 'hard-to-win' war and the financial Ikes hitting the US shores one after another. It disproves the notion that increased defence spending and misguided foreign policy options to invade foreign lands can yield a positive impact on the US economy. Remember that it was the Bush era that diverted investments in the high-tech sector into the military-industrial complex. I think it was a dangerous move in the wrong direction in a country that championed democracy verbally but would ruthlessly establish it's grip on smaller countries for energy and geopolitical gains. Does anyone know how the Iraq war is being financed? Where are the billions of USD being pumped into the long-drawn endless war coming from? The sources are all shrouded in mystery.

The US economy is on a downward spiral at the fag end of the Bush presidency. ENRON was the first scam. God knows what’s to follow after a string of nationalizations and billion dollar bailouts by the US government. . I am sure there’s a direct relationship between the ‘hard-to-win’ war and the financial Ikes hitting the US shores one after another. It disproves the notion that increased defence spending and misguided foreign policy options to invade foreign lands can yield a positive impact on the US economy. Remember that it was the Bush era that diverted investments in the high-tech sector into the military-industrial complex. I think it was a dangerous move in the wrong direction in a country that championed democracy verbally but would ruthlessly establish it’s grip on smaller countries for energy and geopolitical gains.

]]> By: Yuriy http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-6/#comment-1512044 Yuriy Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:44:28 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1512044 >what do u mean “killed only 128 people?” so now 128 people >it’s nothing to u. It’s just great. I guess if you r >chinese and theres over billion chinese it’s might be >nothing in china. but not to other world dear. Compare 128 and 2100... Saakashvilli send his troops to kill SO citizens... They killed 2100 SO citizens... And lost 128... Who is aggressor? Who first killed 2100 or who then killed 128? And killing Georgian troops prevented killing more civilians in SO >what do u mean “killed only 128 people?” so now 128 people
>it’s nothing to u. It’s just great. I guess if you r
>chinese and theres over billion chinese it’s might be
>nothing in china. but not to other world dear.

Compare 128 and 2100… Saakashvilli send his troops to kill SO citizens… They killed 2100 SO citizens… And lost 128…

Who is aggressor? Who first killed 2100 or who then killed 128? And killing Georgian troops prevented killing more civilians in SO

]]> By: Yuriy http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-6/#comment-1512027 Yuriy Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:13:19 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1512027 >HRW observers also witness looters. May be some Ossetians were like some Americans after Katrine... Americans looted Americans houses... Don't you remember? >HRW observers also witness looters.
May be some Ossetians were like some Americans after Katrine… Americans looted Americans houses… Don’t you remember?

]]> By: Alexander http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-6/#comment-1512007 Alexander Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:27:51 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1512007 About is Stalin Ossetian or Georgian. Jews for example account ethnicity by mother side. so it depends. About is Stalin Ossetian or Georgian. Jews for example account ethnicity by mother side. so it depends.

]]> By: Alexander http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-6/#comment-1511999 Alexander Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:09:05 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1511999 Maconald, what do u mean "killed only 128 people?" so now 128 people it's nothing to u. It's just great. I guess if you r chinese and theres over billion chinese it's might be nothing in china. but not to other world dear. Maconald, what do u mean “killed only 128 people?” so now 128 people it’s nothing to u. It’s just great. I guess if you r chinese and theres over billion chinese it’s might be nothing in china. but not to other world dear.

]]> By: Yuriy http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-5/#comment-1511645 Yuriy Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:52:11 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1511645 >If Tshinvali is “invaded”, read it, how many dead, I repeat > it is 44, and the source it from humanitarian group, much >has no intention to undermine the causality: >http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LD435290.htm 44 was only in hospital... and 2150 was not in hospital. Because there was no people, who can bring bodies to the hospital... People saved their lives and didn't think about bodies. See the first part of the list which contain people, that was killed by Georgian troops: http://www.osetinfo.ru/main/25 Google can help you to translate it. Names and the way, how every of this people was killed by Georgian troops. What else was written by Human rights activists? "We are very clear that some of the weapons fired by the Georgians are unacceptable under international law" "The use of the Grad rocket launcher in urban areas is indiscriminate by nature and a breach of human rights law. Several rooms of the hospital were hit by Grads." So Georgians fired to the hospital by Grads... May be 44 bodies ware bodies of the doctors of the hospital? >If Tshinvali is “invaded”, read it, how many dead, I repeat
> it is 44, and the source it from humanitarian group, much
>has no intention to undermine the causality:
>http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LD435290.htm

44 was only in hospital… and 2150 was not in hospital.
Because there was no people, who can bring bodies to the hospital… People saved their lives and didn’t think about bodies.
See the first part of the list which contain people, that was killed by Georgian troops: http://www.osetinfo.ru/main/25
Google can help you to translate it. Names and the way, how every of this people was killed by Georgian troops.

What else was written by Human rights activists?
“We are very clear that some of the weapons fired by the Georgians are unacceptable under international law”
“The use of the Grad rocket launcher in urban areas is indiscriminate by nature and a breach of human rights law. Several rooms of the hospital were hit by Grads.”

So Georgians fired to the hospital by Grads… May be 44 bodies ware bodies of the doctors of the hospital?

]]> By: Maconald http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-5/#comment-1511517 Maconald Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:51:25 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1511517 This is common to call the party you don't as "American". I am not American. I am Chinese. Get to the point. You have committed another USA-is-evil-so-Russia-is-good game. That is pointless to me. Not everyone blaming Russia is necessary USA or pro-USA. "Have you ever seen the invasion, where was killed only 128 people?" If Tshinvali is "invaded", read it, how many dead, I repeat it is 44, and the source it from humanitarian group, much has no intention to undermine the causality: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LD435290.htm HRW observers also witness looters. Stalin has a Ossetian father, Besarion. Being born in Gori does not make a Ossetian child becomes non-Ossetian. This is common to call the party you don’t as “American”. I am not American. I am Chinese. Get to the point. You have committed another USA-is-evil-so-Russia-is-good game. That is pointless to me. Not everyone blaming Russia is necessary USA or pro-USA.

“Have you ever seen the invasion, where was killed only 128 people?”
If Tshinvali is “invaded”, read it, how many dead, I repeat it is 44, and the source it from humanitarian group, much has no intention to undermine the causality:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LD435290.htm

HRW observers also witness looters.

Stalin has a Ossetian father, Besarion. Being born in Gori does not make a Ossetian child becomes non-Ossetian.

]]> By: Yuriy http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-5/#comment-1511415 Yuriy Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:01:25 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1511415 >As for history, it should be reminded that Stalin is also a Ossetian; Stalin was born in Gory... >As for history, it should be reminded that Stalin is also a Ossetian;
Stalin was born in Gory…

]]> By: Yuriy http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-5/#comment-1511414 Yuriy Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:00:38 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1511414 >There is no reason to invade Gori. There was no invasion... It was demilitarization. Do you remember USA invasion in Iraq? What they have done? Capture government. Kills many people. Georgia told us, that there were 128 people dead by Russian "invasion". As I remember, a few weeks ago NATO aviation killed about 80 civilians in Afganistan just in one attack. So russian wanted make invasion in Georgia, Russians tank would be in Tbilisi 10 august. And killed not 128 Georgians, but 1280 or more Georgians. But all world know, that there were only 128 Georgians dead. Answer question: Have you ever seen the invasion, where was killed only 128 people? >There is no reason to invade Gori.
There was no invasion… It was demilitarization.
Do you remember USA invasion in Iraq? What they have done? Capture government. Kills many people.
Georgia told us, that there were 128 people dead by Russian “invasion”. As I remember, a few weeks ago NATO aviation killed about 80 civilians in Afganistan just in one attack.
So russian wanted make invasion in Georgia, Russians tank would be in Tbilisi 10 august. And killed not 128 Georgians, but 1280 or more Georgians. But all world know, that there were only 128 Georgians dead.
Answer question: Have you ever seen the invasion, where was killed only 128 people?

]]> By: Alexander http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-5/#comment-1511412 Alexander Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:33:19 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1511412 Maconald, whom are you calling thugs and looters? Isn't ir too much call people names? I guess americans troops were angels in Vietnam? You know what you tag people. Do you know them? Are you psychis? What evedence you have? Or because you american you know better? Snap out of it. You gouverment lick ass to Communist China how bad is it? You just ignore everything. Well sweet dream, sweat dream. Maconald, whom are you calling thugs and looters? Isn’t ir too much call people names? I guess americans troops were angels in Vietnam? You know what you tag people. Do you know them? Are you psychis? What evedence you have? Or because you american you know better? Snap out of it. You gouverment lick ass to Communist China how bad is it? You just ignore everything. Well sweet dream, sweat dream.

]]> By: Maconald http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-5/#comment-1511086 Maconald Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:40:22 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1511086 Alex, 1) You better explain your Red Cross claim first. Your friends are lying you, if it is not that you are lying intentionally. I have proof that Red Cross is not here. If you cannot explain that there is no way to rationale your numbers. 2) It is cold-war mentally to think that USA-is-evil-so-Russia-is-good or vice versa. The right way is to ignore the role of USA first. It has to be judged by humanitarian situation: I assume you are a human, not chess piece of USA or Russia, right? 3) That 77000 refugees are created by Russia no doubt, even within the Russia's casus belli. There is no reason to invade Gori. There is no reason to burn civilian houses in Georgian villages within South Ossetia. There is no reason to bring thugs and looter to kill and loot Gori. Is that so-call peace and justice and a way to punish Saakashvili by looting civilian and dropping cluster bombs everywhere except Saakashvili's home? Why can't Russia kill Saakashvili directly as he is so evil? That is probably Russian style of justice. 4) As for history, it should be reminded that Stalin is also a Ossetian; When Soviet decides the South Ossetia is a part of Georgia, Lenin is in power and Stalin cannot ignore Lenin; The Soviet decision is motivated by political aim, to setup influence to Georgia by Ossetia communists, and it is never a free-gift to Georgia. Alex,

1) You better explain your Red Cross claim first. Your friends are lying you, if it is not that you are lying intentionally. I have proof that Red Cross is not here. If you cannot explain that there is no way to rationale your numbers.

2) It is cold-war mentally to think that USA-is-evil-so-Russia-is-good or vice versa. The right way is to ignore the role of USA first. It has to be judged by humanitarian situation: I assume you are a human, not chess piece of USA or Russia, right?

3) That 77000 refugees are created by Russia no doubt, even within the Russia’s casus belli. There is no reason to invade Gori. There is no reason to burn civilian houses in Georgian villages within South Ossetia. There is no reason to bring thugs and looter to kill and loot Gori. Is that so-call peace and justice and a way to punish Saakashvili by looting civilian and dropping cluster bombs everywhere except Saakashvili’s home? Why can’t Russia kill Saakashvili directly as he is so evil? That is probably Russian style of justice.

4) As for history, it should be reminded that Stalin is also a Ossetian; When Soviet decides the South Ossetia is a part of Georgia, Lenin is in power and Stalin cannot ignore Lenin; The Soviet decision is motivated by political aim, to setup influence to Georgia by Ossetia communists, and it is never a free-gift to Georgia.

]]> By: Alexander http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-5/#comment-1510990 Alexander Thu, 04 Sep 2008 04:23:21 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1510990 Maconald, what are you talking? "Russia created 77,000 refugees"? They wouldn't be refugees if Georgia wouldn't lunched it. About dissapearing population in Ossetia: Do you want live in region where war can start anytime? They got russian citizenship and moved from border to russian cities. People have kids all right? What do you think people do? Do you know how many georgian live in russia? why they in russia if georgia so pretty place? I fill sorry for georgians living in russia, cause now it going to be hassle. And Georgia and USA responsible for that as Russian goverment if they would support hassle. Maconald, what are you talking? “Russia created 77,000 refugees”? They wouldn’t be refugees if Georgia wouldn’t lunched it. About dissapearing population in Ossetia: Do you want live in region where war can start anytime? They got russian citizenship and moved from border to russian cities. People have kids all right? What do you think people do? Do you know how many georgian live in russia? why they in russia if georgia so pretty place? I fill sorry for georgians living in russia, cause now it going to be hassle. And Georgia and USA responsible for that as Russian goverment if they would support hassle.

]]> By: Alexander http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-5/#comment-1510985 Alexander Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:59:54 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1510985 Hello everyone, I really think that Russians should speak up. Lot of us living outside Russia and we can affect public opinion. I am kinda tired read or hear from paid journalist or politics officials that Russians this, Russians that. Its discriminating. Lets look what we have: Lenin, Sverdlov, Bukharin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Stalin, Rykov, Tomsky, Menzhinsky, Dzerzhinsky, Yagoda, Molotov - these are key leaders and figures of Communist Party. Now Lenin -mixed; Sverdlov, Bukharin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Yagoda - jewish; Menzhinsky, Dzerzhinsky - polls, Molotov, Tomsky, Rykov - russians, Stalin - Georgian. I would say it's very jewish goverment. Funny they took russian last names. I am not nationalist. I d like go back to history and look whats happened there and why. Since everyone realized own valuable culture and want to be independent. Lets look at our history through this point of view. Since 1917 we had Russians, Georgian, Ukranian (Khrushchev)etc ruling the Russia. Can you imagine anything like that in USA? Speaking of USA terminology Stalin (georgian) and Khrushchev (ukranian) wasnt even russian citizens!!!! You cant be USA president if you are not born in USA. Isn't it most advanced democratic country )))? By the way jews got in goverment in USA only in 1950's. Now about Obama. Dear americans it s huge step for you, but lets look at russian history: Peter the Great brought from Africa black guy named Abram Petrovich Gannibal who became major-general and The Governor of Reval. At guess what year it took place - 1742 ))). City of Reval its now Tallinn, Estonia - Europe hehehe. Isn't it ironic? When Schwarzenegger run for Governor. It was huge deal alien (white and german - you are kidding) want to be Governor in democratic USA. I absolutely agrre with a guy saying to McDonald about bombing. USA not less violent then Russia. And most your believes are just myth or your believes. But back to Russians. During 2nd War 20 mln "russians" were killed and frankly i think ussian have to remind about that like jews all the time. Back to South Ossetia it was formed in 1920's when Georgian Stalin was in charge red army fighting with Georgia. Honestly I dont think anyone care to join Georgia to Russia, but Stalin. Another character Khrushchev gave to Ukraine Russian Crimea. Isn't it imaginable in USA? I think russians should stood up and start to do demonstration at american embassies to stop misrepresentation Russia. In last Newsweek USA edition Sept 8, 2008.page 11 in Article "Drill here? Why now?" I cite: "list of our enemies: Venezuela, Iran and Russia." Wow, is it official now? So USA in war with Russia? So now Russian live in USA is who? How about China and Tibet? Bush lickes Chinese asses they even dont to have wash it now. What about Iraq? UN said "no" USA went anyway. Lets face it all these country has oil and resources, which USA doesnt have. All these ships and fight jets not exactly green engined. And one day all these can just sit there useless. It a shame that USA doing for oil. Well once they did it with indians and mexicans. I am not saying that russian goverment is sugar pill, but its just too much - i just tired to hear that russian bad guys. it's not true. and we have great history. if someone know group or forum let me know. i would go for demonstration. i just tired discrimination. we have long history not speaking out or standing for themselves and i think it should be changed. Hello everyone, I really think that Russians should speak up. Lot of us living outside Russia and we can affect public opinion. I am kinda tired read or hear from paid journalist or politics officials that Russians this, Russians that. Its discriminating. Lets look what we have: Lenin, Sverdlov, Bukharin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Stalin, Rykov, Tomsky, Menzhinsky, Dzerzhinsky, Yagoda, Molotov – these are key leaders and figures of Communist Party. Now Lenin -mixed; Sverdlov, Bukharin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Yagoda – jewish; Menzhinsky, Dzerzhinsky – polls, Molotov, Tomsky, Rykov – russians, Stalin – Georgian. I would say it’s very jewish goverment. Funny they took russian last names. I am not nationalist. I d like go back to history and look whats happened there and why. Since everyone realized own valuable culture and want to be independent. Lets look at our history through this point of view. Since 1917 we had Russians, Georgian, Ukranian (Khrushchev)etc ruling the Russia. Can you imagine anything like that in USA? Speaking of USA terminology Stalin (georgian) and Khrushchev (ukranian) wasnt even russian citizens!!!! You cant be USA president if you are not born in USA. Isn’t it most advanced democratic country )))? By the way jews got in goverment in USA only in 1950’s. Now about Obama. Dear americans it s huge step for you, but lets look at russian history: Peter the Great brought from Africa black guy named Abram Petrovich Gannibal who became major-general and The Governor of Reval. At guess what year it took place – 1742 ))). City of Reval its now Tallinn, Estonia – Europe hehehe. Isn’t it ironic? When Schwarzenegger run for Governor. It was huge deal alien (white and german – you are kidding) want to be Governor in democratic USA. I absolutely agrre with a guy saying to McDonald about bombing. USA not less violent then Russia. And most your believes are just myth or your believes. But back to Russians. During 2nd War 20 mln “russians” were killed and frankly i think ussian have to remind about that like jews all the time. Back to South Ossetia it was formed in 1920’s when Georgian Stalin was in charge red army fighting with Georgia. Honestly I dont think anyone care to join Georgia to Russia, but Stalin. Another character Khrushchev gave to Ukraine Russian Crimea. Isn’t it imaginable in USA? I think russians should stood up and start to do demonstration at american embassies to stop misrepresentation Russia. In last Newsweek USA edition Sept 8, 2008.page 11 in Article “Drill here? Why now?” I cite: “list of our enemies: Venezuela, Iran and Russia.” Wow, is it official now? So USA in war with Russia? So now Russian live in USA is who? How about China and Tibet? Bush lickes Chinese asses they even dont to have wash it now. What about Iraq? UN said “no” USA went anyway. Lets face it all these country has oil and resources, which USA doesnt have. All these ships and fight jets not exactly green engined. And one day all these can just sit there useless. It a shame that USA doing for oil. Well once they did it with indians and mexicans. I am not saying that russian goverment is sugar pill, but its just too much – i just tired to hear that russian bad guys. it’s not true. and we have great history. if someone know group or forum let me know. i would go for demonstration. i just tired discrimination. we have long history not speaking out or standing for themselves and i think it should be changed.

]]> By: Maconald http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-5/#comment-1504674 Maconald Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:21:58 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1504674 Red Cross is enable to enter South Ossetia by 20-Aug. Your post claiming Red Cross releasing fatality numbers is dated 17-Aug. Is there any misunderstanding here? http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/georgia-briefing-200808 Red Cross is enable to enter South Ossetia by 20-Aug. Your post claiming Red Cross releasing fatality numbers is dated 17-Aug. Is there any misunderstanding here?

http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/georgia-briefing-200808

]]> By: RBG http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/10/south-ossetia-georgia-russia-and-the-us-presidential-election/comment-page-5/#comment-1504079 RBG Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:19:26 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48131#comment-1504079 Russia-vs-Georgia – new website. There is a voting and a lot of comments about war in South Osetia http://www.russia-vs-georgia.com/ Russia-vs-Georgia – new website.
There is a voting and a lot of comments about war in South Osetia

http://www.russia-vs-georgia.com/

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