See Global Voices special coverage page on the South Ossetia crisis.
Here is LJ user pepsikolka's account (RUS) of what it felt like when the Russian planes were bombing Poti, her native city (more posts by this blogger have been translated here):
How it all was.
We worried much because of Ossetia, condemned the war and argued, and all of us, everyone who works [for our company], all those who surround me - no one has ever said that it was good that [Georgia] had entered Ossetia, everyone was sorry and upset.
In the evening, on the way back from work, some colleagues were saying that they were taking the children out of the city, what if they start bombing Poti, since it is, after all, a strategically important city, and I protested, saying that this will never happen, that if Russians do decide to help Ossetia (it wasn't yet clear at that point), they'll help the Ossetian people and that would be it.
Around midnight I heard some roaring, ran up to the window and saw shaft of fire, explosions at the port and heard a deafening noise. I didn't even have the time to get scared, I just knew that if a cistern with oil at the terminal gets hit, there'll be fire and an explosion, so I grabbed the phone, called Tengo, Vika answered, screaming - Samira, the port is being bombed. Mama with Alina and our niece were running aimlessly around the apartment, the explosions continued, and we ran downstairs. There were people in the street, they were crying and everyone looked terribly alarmed.
I don't really understand, but some explosions and gunfire sounds continued. Someone was running and screaming that [we should all] leave, as we are close to the port, and we all ran. Planes were flying, there were some lights, and it seemed as if they were being shot at from the ground, I don't know, there was roaring in the sky and one could see the light of either missiles or I don't know what.
We took shelter [inside one building], there were screams all around, women and children were crying.
There was no phone connection, and before that they had turned TV off.
We didn't understand anything about what happened.
Clearly, no one was expecting this.
We went to my sister, to the area that's far off from the port, Mos'ka was sobbing, very frightened, she was born in 1994 and didn't know how we were running in 1992, during the storming of the city of Poti by the Georgian army [and pushing out supporters of Zviad Gamsakhurdia], and her sister Katerina was being born, and we were asking the evacuating Russian army for help. Military doctors did end up delivering Kat'ka at the hospital.
But that was a long time ago.
Now Mos'ka was crying, and so were other children in the courtyard.
They were not bombing anymore, but people were still afraid to enter the buildings.
We began moving towards our house. Next to every building, there were crowds of people who were afraid to go up to their apartments.
A woman nearby was talking on the phone, and suddenly she gave out a heartrending scream, people grew loud, and I felt fear at a subconscious level. I told my sister not to speak Russian. [The woman] was in a state of temporary insanity, mama asked what happened in Georgian, they said that Senaki was bombed, there were the mobilized [men] there, and [the woman's] brother was killed.
We ran home, started calling [family and friends].
It turned out that a bomb hit our terminal, my colleague, a friend, who was working a night shift, got injured with shrapnel, broken ribs, his lungs and head were hurt, too. The reservoirs were not damaged, only the foam station, and a substation at the port. At the port, seven people were killed, I guess, and some were injured. The guy who worked for the Odessa-Poti ferry agent company was killed. They also brought the killed ones from Senaki, the reservists were let go from there, another of our colleagues was injured by the bomb.
People were so frightened that no one was discussing politics, everyone tried to get closer to one another, some people were crossing themselves and whispering prayers.
I was thinking only about one thing, that we should all stick together.
In the morning, we were running away again, because one of the bombs hadn't exploded and they brought in sappers to disarm it.
I was looking out of the window and saw people with bags who were running away, driving away in cars to villages, to Adzharia. My friend Lenka has rented a room in Kobuleti and is staying there with her family.
The city is empty, most stores are closed.
Tengo didn't leave anywhere, we run to see each other from time to time.
Poti hasn't been bombed anymore, we heard some gunshots yesterday, but don't know what it was. I can't even imagine what it's like for those poor people in Tskhinvali.
No one needs this damn war.
I'm not a politician and I don't have politicians in my circle who think that this is how it should be. I do not distinguish between Ossetians, Georgians and Russians. My friend's grandmother is Ossetian, we are Russian, but we have Georgian relatives, son-in-law is a Ukrainian, who the hell cares, the main thing is for this to be over as soon as possible and that no one else dies.
Those of you who write that here, you Georgians are getting what you deserve.
Deserve what? What for? Are we guilty of anything?
Are Georgians some monsters, don't they have the same blood running in their veins as anyone else? Old people are crying and it's unbearable to watch it. And no one has ever told me that all this is because of you, Russians. Not a single person, not once. I admit that there are people who may say this. But I haven't encountered them. Some people in LJ say that if you, the Kuznetsovs, are Russians, why don't you escape to Russia? When people were running away in the 1990s, we stayed, because there was uncertainty both here and there. My mama had chosen the uncertainty here. Because she was born and grew up here, we were all born here, sometime in the 1930s my grandmother, a child then, was put on a train and told that there was no hunger in Georgia, that there was [corn] there. It is our country now, we hold Georgian passports and we are the ordinary Georgian citizens. That's why I feel like tearing myself in two, when I stand on Georgian soil and the Russian planes are flying over me, and I can't imagine that these two countries are fighting against each other.
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[...] “It turned out that a bomb hit our terminal, my colleague, a friend, who was working a night shift, got injured with shrapnel, broken ribs, his lungs and head were hurt, too. The reservoirs were not damaged, only the foam station, and a substation at the port. At the port, seven people were killed, I guess, and some were injured. The guy who worked for the Odessa-Poti ferry agent company was killed. They also brought the killed ones from Senaki, the reservists were let go from there, another of our colleagues was injured by the bomb. People were so frightened that no one was discussing politics, everyone tried to get closer to one another, some people were crossing themselves and whispering prayers. I was thinking only about one thing, that we should all stick together.” [...]
People! If you are really aiming to THINK - try to do it by yourself!
1) Figure it out - Georgia ATTACKED South Osetia with HEAVY ARTILLERY and TANKS 07/08/2008 and (in one night) KILLED about 2000 citizens, DESTROYED Tshinvaly (the capital of S.Osetia) and several smaller towns.
2) Mere than 2/3 of osetians are RUSSIANS! And S Osetia is NOT a part of Georgia from 1991 yr. (and its never been a part of Georgia before 1920)!!! NOBODY in Russia wants to gain Georgia “back to the USSR” (I meant in borders of Russia). Georgians wanted to be separated and NOBODY tried to keep them in 1991!
3) EVERY georgian neighbour is ready to declare WAR to Georgian criminal state if it`ll try to repeat S.Osetian scenario. Enough to eat every false your newspaper prints! Just ASK any caucasian about this problem if you are REALLY trying to understand whats happening there! Osetia and Abkhasia don`t want to come back to Georgian borders (ind they will NEVER back).
4) About “Georgian” agression… DO YOU know that “georian” troops consist of international mercenaries? (of cource not I guess…) So ASK GEORGIANS about it - theirs Saakashvilly tried to moboloze, arm and throw to WAR last night`s CIVILIANS! (they even DIDN`t KNOW about theirs destination and aim) So when thew loocked at this foul “turn” against theirs neighbours - they DESERt by themselves! Most of georgians doesnt want this war! Because it concerns all caucasian brothers nations!
5) All this act of Saakashvily is only a cause to fire up situation in Caucasus! This way USA can realize its politics of “struggle against russian treat”… A bullshit that helps to spend your money! :)) And MOST OF YOU ARE STILL EATING THIS!!!
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If you are really trying to THINK - look at USA economics!
a) at USDollar EMISSION value (all the data from 2005 classified as secret) - they just filled up all the world with $USDollars = uncovered paper money!
b) at USA trade balance from 1985 (EXPORT-IMPORT)
c) at USA DEBT (including not only external government debt but also “future obligations” (social for example) - and you will see - EXPANCES of US government always needs a “COVER” (overconsumption is take a place).
So EVERY action, every politics is aiming to GAIN A MONEY! Yours or smb. else’s!
If you are still not interesting in TRUTH - so keep your eyes “WIDE SHUT”… and I pity you…
Ivan (from North Caucasus).
Ivan, your propaganda has little value. Ukraine may jump into it… on Georgia’s side. Putin is trying the rebuild the old “Soviet Empire”. WW3 began Friday. Russia will lose.
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Dear Romana, it is good that not everyone is so quick as yourself and the Georgian government to declare war. Who are you to say that Putin is trying to rebuild the Soviet Union? Your obvious lack of any real information is plain dangerous. Let’s just fight for a resolution of this problem in the most peaceful way possible because despite your convictions, there will be no winners in a third world war.
Ivan
Have you noticed that majority of former socialist countries condemned “Russian imperialist agression”?
Romana is right Ukraine, Czek republic, Hungary, Poland, may jump into fry= but not on Russian side.
I am trying to locate Nino Kuprava, who lives in Poti. If anyone has any information on Nino please post. My family and I are very worried about her safety. Thank you. Brooks Marshall (California, USA)
Romana: where are you from? Maybe from the moon???
I was born in Caucasus and I live in Russia and have MANY friends in Ukraine. So specially for you I can assure you that MOST of ukranians are FOR PUTIN and most of them is trying to get in to Russia! They are ready to create a “live schead” just to let our ships come back to Sevastopol. 85% of South-East of Ukraine are russians or relatives! Who talks nonsense about Georgian-Ukrainian alliance? I never heared the Bull Shit of that kind))) Ukrainians just trying to observe the properties of no-helping to any combatant! thats it! Nothing more!
Of course actual ukrainian president is aiming to NATO too… BUT the people of Ukraine is AGAINST it - otherwise the NATO flag was already streaming above ukainian borders )) forget it, my friend! as a bad dream… )))
Better look why DO NOT any western TV shows OSETIANS INTERVIEW??? Why??? Can you answer me?
Maybe because they dont want to show you a REAL story???
just think about it…
and one more thing: read encyclopedia to determine what kind of relations was between Russia and Georgia from 1800 year.
Wikipedia describes it pretty good:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Georgia_(country)#The_18th_century_and_Russian_annexation
Romana: where are you from? Maybe from the moon???
I was born in Caucasus and I live in Russia and have MANY friends in Ukraine. So specially for you I can assure you that MOST of ukranians are FOR PUTIN and most of them is trying to get in to Russia! They are ready to create a “live schead” just to let our ships come back to Sevastopol. 85% of South-East of Ukraine are russians or relatives! Who talks nonsense about Georgian-Ukrainian alliance? I never heared the Bull Shit of that kind))) Ukrainians just trying to observe the properties of no-helping to any combatant! thats it! Nothing more!
Of course actual ukrainian president is aiming to NATO too… BUT the people of Ukraine is AGAINST it - otherwise the NATO flag was already streaming above ukainian borders )) forget it, my friend! as a bad dream… )))
Better look why DO NOT any western TV shows OSETIANS INTERVIEW??? Why??? Can you answer me?
Maybe because they dont want to show you a REAL story???
just think about it…
and one more thing: read enciclopedia to determine what kind of relations was between Russia and Georgia from 1800 year.
Wikipedia describes it pretty good
[...] Hun var der Les hva hun sier. [...]
I have read through many foreign clauses, and almost all of them were negative in relation to actions of Russia. Ivan correctly speaks all of you about that occurs in S Ossetia. Georgia is an aggressor.
You still likely did not see the staff as Saakishvally escapes from the plane in the city of Gori, you would die of laughter, it the typical coward! We’ll kill u SUKAshvilly, be afraid, haha!
To Russia, with Love:
I hope someone smuggles a nuke to Georgia and they sneak it into moscow (is it still named that? they seem change it every time another dictator comes to power there). Nah, burnin’ is too good for ‘em. I say drown them in their own oil, THEN set it afire. Russia has always been a braggart, cowardly nation of weak slaves (slavs) who have to be told what to do or they are not happy and have no idea what to sdo on their own. Try taking on a nation of comparable size and see what happens, you weak, weak minded drunkards.
Strange! I’m reading her othe posts? try to translate them! And you’ll understand that nothing happened there in Poti.
No tanks, and no russian bombs.
This post is just ine of them.
Here is her blog http://pepsikolka.livejournal.com/
People are playing domino on the streets.
Rusiian are thr peacekeepers
Try to read theese articles and comments.
Strange! I’m reading her othe posts? try to translate them! And you’ll understand that nothing happened there in Poti.
No tanks, and no russian bombs.
This post is just ine of them.
Here is her blog http://pepsikolka.livejournal.com/
People are playing domino on the streets.
Rusiian are thr peacekeepers
Try to read theese articles and comments.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/09/georgia.russia1
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/11/georgia.russia3
mark
you are just stupid americanian ass and nothing more.
your “great” nation never win any war. Even in WW2 your country waited for Pearl Harbour to join this battle. But before that you traded some raw matherials to Hitler… You can only fight at enemi`s territory where you are pretty “brave”.
The most work of destroying Hitlers empire was made by Russians!
The same it was many times before - Napoleons empire was crashed after pretending for our country.
Tchingiz-khan - we won them after centuries of occupation.
And be sure! Nobody can beat us! Never! But WE NEVER FIGHT ANY COUNTRY FIRST! You are so stupid to decline flat facts - so I see no reason to talk to you at all.
For the beginning - try to explain what do you want as an aim? WW3 will make you happy? Do you want to wear anti-radiation ammunition every time as you`re going outside your personal bunker??? Or you want one-polar pro-american world? If so than prepare your ass to be f%cked by americans every day! Americans becomes slaves in their own state! And be shure you will.
I hope someday you will understand HOW is UsA manipulated by several people just to set the “World order” and control over money.
But it can do NOTHING without timid wagging of EU-countries (because they are fully-dependent on USA and always aiming to separate Russians resources).
This is a war for resources “blessed” by our “friend” USA: “Are you still not democratic??? So we are flying to help you!” - this is a fairy tail for so stupid people as mark….
I having been watching on the CNN and have been praying for you and your peoples safety! I hope this comes to an end fast!!!!!
First I’m terribly sorry for all the death, pain and destruction.
Second, Saakishvally is a sick man and a fool to launch a surprise attack in the middle of the night on a sleeping civilian population. But this must explain why he gets along so well with George Bush and John McSame.
Third, Mark above must be a Zionist-Israeli first American. Too many people in America are apathetic, drunk on consuming in the consumer culture, but very few want war, excepting those who have a Greater Israel as the utmost priority. In many ways, America has been hijacked and doesn’t exist anymore. I appologize for the Banking/Oil/Military cartel that in many ways brought this suffering upon you. Georgian selected leaders that got mixed up with evil, wrong people.
Iran may be next. Numerous warships are now heading there.
America’s broke and this might be the end game.
Thank all of you in the area effected for your information. it is so important. I live in rural New Mexico, United States. We have no real information about what is happening there to all of you. But we care to know more. so please keep posting stories about yourselves and what you think is important to tell people like me.
I do not take sides in war. I only wish it to stop. It is too deadly for families and loved ones. We are thinking of you and your pain in all of this. we wish you all the best of luck and safety. We do not understand the reasons why this is happening as your country is so far away. But as human beings with family we are fearful for all of you and are with you in spirit through these fearful times. I hate this for all of you.
To read your stories makes a person see the fear. I wish there was something i could do. it is a helpless feeling to only be able to know something and yet not be able to effect it. We Pray for all of you. you are in our thoughts always.
There are new photos from Osetia… very cruel photos… be carefull to see it…. ((
http://tskhinvali.org/photogallery.html
Photos show HOW georgians do their business … This is a real GENOCIDE of Osetians.
just look and try to say something against it…
Is any georgian town destroyed like Tshinvali (the capital of S.Osetia) ????
American hackers cracked this site so wait for restoring or try to find more photos from OSETIA by yourself
[...] Kuznetsova, a resident of [Poti], whose other posts have been featured on Global Voices here and here - wrote this (RUS) about her recent experience at the Russian-language social networking portal, [...]
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=yrmSgErH5WU
One more LIE about Gori…
Russia-vs-Georgia – website about war in South Osetia. A lot of comments.
http://www.russia-vs-georgia.com/
First I would like to say that all of this killing is senseless. I would like to offer my heartfelt condolences to all of the people over in Georgia right now. For the record the Bush administration told the Georgian government NOT to provoke Russia (probably the only intelligent thing they have done in 8 years) because they would have little ability to protect them. The US did not want this to happen, and even discouraged it. Everyone knows the US backed Georgian president Saakashvili because he was pro Western without properly understanding the diplomatic situation. He was obviously not prepared to deal with Russia and western governments at the same time.
As for being critical of America during WWII (Ivan) did you forget about the Non-Aggression pact and agreement to carve up Eastern Europe between Nazi Germany and the USSR during WWII? Russia was guilty of cooperating with Nazi Germany until Germany violated the pact. Please stop dwelling on the past, almost every country has skeletons in their closet.
To set the record straight I would like to let everyone know that not all Americans are taking Georgia’s side. Saakashvili started this against the advice of the US. There are things both sides could have done differently. For example the Georgian government needs to stop provoking one of the worlds largest military powers. Russia is trying to punish Georgia by attacking areas outside of South Osetia such as Poti. What Russia doesnt realize is they are crippling supply lines to Georgia and hurting the economy which is punishing the people of Georgia and not the government. And last but not least the US needs to stay out of everyone else’s business. We have to accept that we do not need to be part of every decision made globally.
Ivan:
Georgia’s demarche into South Ossetia was not wise. Bear in mind, South Ossetia is Georgian territory. It was demarche against secessionist group controlling part of Georgian territory. By the way 57 ossetians are confirmed dead, not 2000. You should listen less to Genshtab propaganda and more to independent media sources. The statement about protecting your citizens is also fraud because Ossetian “Russian citizens” received their passports in fraudulent way. I am sure you, Ivan, know it pretty well. Who would be next “Russian citizens”? Poles? Ukrainians? Estonians?
But what happened afterwards in Georgia and continues happening, I mean Russian occupation of Georgia, is lot more dramatic with hundreds Georgians dead and tens of thousands Georgians displaced. Russians are still in Georgian mainland maintaining checkpoints.
This is called occupation, Ivan. And your country is Occupier not Liberator.
I am glad Georgia cut ties with your country. There should be no ties with occupiers. Just like USSR cut ties with Germany in 1941.
ike,
ha-ha… look closer… you can find more info about georgian territory in wikipedia. South Ossetia is not a part of Georgia and never were… Even in USSR it was just a sovereign republic in georgian borders.
Steve:
non-aggressive pact doesn`t mean that USSR helped nazi. its a bull shit. It was just stupid attempt to keep peace. (Of cource you know that most of european countries tried to keep themselves in peace).You can`t deny the fact that USSR most of all countries in the world suffered from Germany and most of all made an important contribution to victory…
anyway too many people (even in USA) now understand that it was a big mistake of Saakashvily