Comments on: Georgia: South Ossetia Update http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/ The world is talking. Are you listening? Tue, 29 May 2012 17:49:45 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Global Voices Online » Caucasus: 2008 Blog Review http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-14/#comment-1541460 Global Voices Online » Caucasus: 2008 Blog Review Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:51:19 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1541460 [...] that war with Russia might break out over the Georgian breakaway region of Abkhazia, few expected fighting to occur in another disputed territory at the beginning of [...] [...] that war with Russia might break out over the Georgian breakaway region of Abkhazia, few expected fighting to occur in another disputed territory at the beginning of [...]

]]> By: van den Ende John http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-14/#comment-1517809 van den Ende John Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:08:08 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1517809 Russia did not invade Georgie but send her soldiers to protect innocent people who where brutally killed by Georgie military.But The president of Georgie with the help of USA military equipment thought that he could do this and that Europa or USA would help him. The USA gave him the good public relation expertise to Get on all major news canals in the world and tell his untruthful stories. I believe that he should be put on international court in den Hague on go to jail for be responsible of killing more than thousand innocent civilians. I have great respect for the action that Russia took to protect civilians. When you look good to the president of Georgie than you can see that he is lying. Russia did not invade Georgie but send her soldiers to protect innocent people who where brutally killed by Georgie military.But The president of Georgie with the help of USA military equipment thought that he could do this and that Europa or USA would help him. The USA gave him the good public relation expertise to Get on all major news canals in the world and tell his untruthful stories. I believe that he should be put on international court in den Hague on go to jail for be responsible of killing more than thousand innocent civilians. I have great respect for the action that Russia took to protect civilians. When you look good to the president of Georgie than you can see that he is lying.

]]> By: Yuriy http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-14/#comment-1511646 Yuriy Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:01:10 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1511646 >SO militia repeatedly attacked Georgian villages in SO >before the conflict broke out. The Russian peacekeepers did > nothing. May be SO "militia repeatedly attacked Georgian villages" but nobody can say the number of deaths from Georgia. Russians know that Georgia also attacked SO villages before the conflict broke out... But SO did not enter tank in Tbilisi and did not shoot to the civilians houses with crying "yoohoo". >Russia invaded Georgia My dear, if Russia wanted to invadr Georgia, russian tanks would by in Tbilisi... Have you seen russian tanks in Tbilisi? Have you see Russian bombers, bombing Tbilisi? (remember, how USA bombed Iraq, when USA invaded in Iraq?). It was not the invasion... It was demilitarization. Much more soft, than USA did in Iraq. >Georgia has every right to enter its own territory, This is a great mistake. Georgia has NO RIGHT TO BE IN SO because of UN mandate of 1992. >SO militia repeatedly attacked Georgian villages in SO
>before the conflict broke out. The Russian peacekeepers did
> nothing.
May be SO “militia repeatedly attacked Georgian villages” but nobody can say the number of deaths from Georgia. Russians know that Georgia also attacked SO villages before the conflict broke out… But SO did not enter tank in Tbilisi and did not shoot to the civilians houses with crying “yoohoo”.

>Russia invaded Georgia
My dear, if Russia wanted to invadr Georgia, russian tanks would by in Tbilisi… Have you seen russian tanks in Tbilisi? Have you see Russian bombers, bombing Tbilisi? (remember, how USA bombed Iraq, when USA invaded in Iraq?). It was not the invasion… It was demilitarization. Much more soft, than USA did in Iraq.

>Georgia has every right to enter its own territory,
This is a great mistake. Georgia has NO RIGHT TO BE IN SO because of UN mandate of 1992.

]]> By: juls http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-14/#comment-1511603 juls Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:10:38 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1511603 Rumwold, It’s you who are abusing people here. Aren’t you tired of repeating yourself all over again? We are tired of you here for sure! If you feel people who are on Russian side are abusing you, YOU should go away! Don’t talk on behalf of majority because if you look at the public opinion (World’s opinion) you found out that you are actually a minority! So stop talking on behalf of the World here because the World is not with you on this. Look at the pools: 79% are supporting Russia, and only 21% (mostly people like you) are on aggressor’s side. To me you are the biggest abuser here: you talk on people threatening them with denunciation, you tell the lies here, and you are playing with the words trying to twist the truth! You can’t confuse anybody! You said “every country on earth” says that SO and A is a part of Georgia? Well, Russia just recognized their independence. So there is no “every country ion earth” anymore! Soon there will be more countries following Russia. Or, pardon me, the only counties on earth are what?.. USA and UK? Yap, the rest of the geography simply doesn’t exist for you. You probably think that every country on earth recognized the Kosovo’s independence as well. It’s you who are abusing people here. World has been changed. There is no absolute rule or the law anymore, Kosovo is a best example of it! SO and A will never be a part of Georgia, or you have to kill them all. Russia did a very heroic thing! Russia will always protect these nations from the genocide and it kills you to accept this fact. In your mind these people must die so Georgia will retain the borders established by Stalin in late 1940’s. You are saying that SO attacked Georgian villages and Russian peacekeepers did nothing about this? Are you out of your mind? Whose lies are you repeating? There were BOTH: Russian and Georgian peacekeepers in SO. Both!!! If something like this ever happened the Georgian peacekeepers should be the first to stop it. SO couldn’t ever protect itself, they didn’t even had a normal army, only militia! Russia “invaded” Georgia because Georgia was an aggressor who needed to be stopped. The shocking videos that everybody saw were not just “selective videos” – they are an evidence of what really happened, and it clearly showed that Georgia was conducting the genocide. You know, we have “selective” photos of the WWII concentration camps, and much less videos from these camps, does it mean it can be misinterpreted into the “correction institutes”? This is the term that Baltic countries (Latvia, Estonia) produced to justify the genocide. But I guess it’s ok with you. You are extremely cynical, dark and twisted! Playing with the words, substituting one for another, say black is white and otherwise - that is the biggest abuse for people, who are in pain like people in SO, or people like us, who feel their pain, especially the pain for their killed kids! Rumwold,

It’s you who are abusing people here.
Aren’t you tired of repeating yourself all over again? We are tired of you here for sure! If you feel people who are on Russian side are abusing you, YOU should go away! Don’t talk on behalf of majority because if you look at the public opinion (World’s opinion) you found out that you are actually a minority! So stop talking on behalf of the World here because the World is not with you on this. Look at the pools: 79% are supporting Russia, and only 21% (mostly people like you) are on aggressor’s side. To me you are the biggest abuser here: you talk on people threatening them with denunciation, you tell the lies here, and you are playing with the words trying to twist the truth! You can’t confuse anybody!
You said “every country on earth” says that SO and A is a part of Georgia? Well, Russia just recognized their independence. So there is no “every country ion earth” anymore! Soon there will be more countries following Russia. Or, pardon me, the only counties on earth are what?.. USA and UK? Yap, the rest of the geography simply doesn’t exist for you. You probably think that every country on earth recognized the Kosovo’s independence as well. It’s you who are abusing people here.
World has been changed. There is no absolute rule or the law anymore, Kosovo is a best example of it! SO and A will never be a part of Georgia, or you have to kill them all. Russia did a very heroic thing! Russia will always protect these nations from the genocide and it kills you to accept this fact. In your mind these people must die so Georgia will retain the borders established by Stalin in late 1940’s.
You are saying that SO attacked Georgian villages and Russian peacekeepers did nothing about this? Are you out of your mind? Whose lies are you repeating? There were BOTH: Russian and Georgian peacekeepers in SO. Both!!! If something like this ever happened the Georgian peacekeepers should be the first to stop it. SO couldn’t ever protect itself, they didn’t even had a normal army, only militia!
Russia “invaded” Georgia because Georgia was an aggressor who needed to be stopped. The shocking videos that everybody saw were not just “selective videos” – they are an evidence of what really happened, and it clearly showed that Georgia was conducting the genocide. You know, we have “selective” photos of the WWII concentration camps, and much less videos from these camps, does it mean it can be misinterpreted into the “correction institutes”? This is the term that Baltic countries (Latvia, Estonia) produced to justify the genocide. But I guess it’s ok with you. You are extremely cynical, dark and twisted! Playing with the words, substituting one for another, say black is white and otherwise – that is the biggest abuse for people, who are in pain like people in SO, or people like us, who feel their pain, especially the pain for their killed kids!

]]> By: Rumwold Leigh http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-14/#comment-1511471 Rumwold Leigh Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:07:26 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1511471 Once again the Russian apologisats abuse everybody else, this being their only argument. SO and A are part of Georgia, so says every country on earth. Who says otherwise? Self-appointed terrorist groups, who do not represent SO and A any more than the IRA represents Catholics in Northern Ireland, who repeatedly say "you are not acting in our name!" SO militia repeatedly attacked Georgian villages in SO before the conflict broke out. The Russian peacekeepers did nothing. When Georgia tried to recover its own territory, without setting one foot inside Russia, Russia invaded Georgia, and is still there IN DIRECT CONTRAVENTION of the ceasefire agreement it signed. If Russia is acting correctly, why doesn't it abide by the ceasefire agreement? If it is protecting civilians, why does it kill Georgian civilians well outside the conflict zone and refuse to leave Georgia? Anyone can produce selective videos and selective photos. Show them to the doctors in SO hospitals (both Ossetian and Georgian), who say they have seen about 100 wounded. We have all seen selective videos before, for example in Dubrovnik. Yes, it is true, the US encouraged Georgia to go into its territory for months before it did, and Georgia did use cluster bombs. So did Russia, which was also moving troops into position to invade Georgia for months before it did. The US and Russisa have fought a proxy war, just as the Fascists and Communists did in Spain in 1936. This does not alter the fact that Russia invaded Georgia while Georgia did not invade Russia. It also does not alter the fact that Russia is only there as a peacekeeper, not to support one side in the conflict against another. Georgia has every right to enter its own territory, Russia has no right to enter Georgia or support SO against Georgia, and no amount of words will alter that. Once again the Russian apologisats abuse everybody else, this being their only argument.

SO and A are part of Georgia, so says every country on earth. Who says otherwise? Self-appointed terrorist groups, who do not represent SO and A any more than the IRA represents Catholics in Northern Ireland, who repeatedly say “you are not acting in our name!”

SO militia repeatedly attacked Georgian villages in SO before the conflict broke out. The Russian peacekeepers did nothing. When Georgia tried to recover its own territory, without setting one foot inside Russia, Russia invaded Georgia, and is still there IN DIRECT CONTRAVENTION of the ceasefire agreement it signed. If Russia is acting correctly, why doesn’t it abide by the ceasefire agreement? If it is protecting civilians, why does it kill Georgian civilians well outside the conflict zone and refuse to leave Georgia?

Anyone can produce selective videos and selective photos. Show them to the doctors in SO hospitals (both Ossetian and Georgian), who say they have seen about 100 wounded. We have all seen selective videos before, for example in Dubrovnik.

Yes, it is true, the US encouraged Georgia to go into its territory for months before it did, and Georgia did use cluster bombs. So did Russia, which was also moving troops into position to invade Georgia for months before it did. The US and Russisa have fought a proxy war, just as the Fascists and Communists did in Spain in 1936. This does not alter the fact that Russia invaded Georgia while Georgia did not invade Russia. It also does not alter the fact that Russia is only there as a peacekeeper, not to support one side in the conflict against another. Georgia has every right to enter its own territory, Russia has no right to enter Georgia or support SO against Georgia, and no amount of words will alter that.

]]> By: Anton http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-14/#comment-1511445 Anton Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:07:51 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1511445 I’m addressing to everyone who can compare facts adequately and does not follow the tastes of the liars saying that black is white, kindly is malicious, and protection of the world population is «aggression against little Georgia». We are revolted by the lie which the Georgian authorities broadcast worldwide by means of mass-media that believe in any fable about «brutal Russians». Here are some questions that arise from the situation analysis: 1) WHO STARTED THE WAR? Could that be Russians who at the moment ran to about 150 people and who did not have any heavy armour and artillery? They were resisted by the multiplely superior forces of Georgia armed with tanks, grenade cup discharges and artillery. 2) WHO HAS SUFFERED? During the first days of the conflict more than 2 thousand civilians of South Ossetia were lost. Residential areas were shelled precisely, the unique pieces of architecture which are under protection of UNESCO are destroyed. And there were 70 Russian soldiers, who literally covered old people, women and kids with their bodies. Georgian negative profit is not known till now. Anyway, quantity of the civilians who have suffered during bombardment of military base in Gori is incommensurably less than thousands of perished Ossetians. If these figures were at least a little comparable, the authorities of Georgia would not fail to puff them up till fantastic sizes and to trumpet about them all over the world. 3) WHO FIGHTED AGAINST WHOM? From the aforesaid it is obvious that Georgians were annihilating civilians, and Russian were protecting the Ossetians. 4) WHAT DOES GEORGIA DO IT FOR? The official position of Georgia is that South Ossetia is the Georgian territory, and those who do not admit that are criminals-separatists. However, the referendum which has passed in South Ossetia has shown that 99 \% of its population support independence from Georgia. Thus, 99 \% of the population of South Ossetia must be regarded as separatists. Does that mean the whole nation may be annihilated? 5) WHY DID RUSSIA BOMB GORI? The reason was the same as the USA had when they bombed military facilities in Yugoslavia. Russia was destroying the military base supplying military criminals with the weapon, the criminals who were crushing with tanks grandmothers with their grandkids, the criminals who were shooting from sniper rifles at ambulance cars, leaving seriously injured Russians and the Ossetians to die painfully near the killed drivers, the criminals who had been shooting at FOX NEWS correspondents on the territory of Gori. 6) WHO IS MICHAEL SAAKASHVILI? He is a person who can see and hear better than his bodyguards who till now do not understand why he suddenly started looking around and then ran with shouts “leave” and fall to the ground. He is a person who behaves very easy online and permits himself to put a good half of his red tie into his mouth. It would be ridiculous, if it was not so terrible. This person recognizes tanks in outskirts of Tbilisi as Russian materiel and cries out «Russians coming!!!» And this is only one of the examples of scandalous misinformation at once spread by western mass-media. It is easy to understand the indignation of «Russia Online» operator who saw his own shots of Tskhinvali destroyed by Georgians with a mark «consequences of bombardments in Gori». You do not believe? “You tube” is at your service! And last question – is SUCH Georgia worth the American support? Worth participating in the genocide by delegating 180 military advisers? Making an ass of oneself when transferring the unchecked data? Does America need cowardly and, what is the most awful, inadequate allies? Why Kosovo is independent, the Yugoslavian leaders appear at court one after another, but in Georgia and South Ossetia there is the opposite situation? We do not hope to get answers to these questions. We believe that sane people, including Americans, would think once again about who needs the events in South Ossetia and why. For what sake have to perish thousands of civilians who do not wish to see the criminal hypocritically appealing to mercy and justice as their ruler? Let everyone get one’s bitters! I’m addressing to everyone who can compare facts adequately and does not follow the tastes of the liars saying that black is white, kindly is malicious, and protection of the world population is «aggression against little Georgia». We are revolted by the lie which the Georgian authorities broadcast worldwide by means of mass-media that believe in any fable about «brutal Russians». Here are some questions that arise from the situation analysis:
1) WHO STARTED THE WAR? Could that be Russians who at the moment ran to about 150 people and who did not have any heavy armour and artillery? They were resisted by the multiplely superior forces of Georgia armed with tanks, grenade cup discharges and artillery.
2) WHO HAS SUFFERED? During the first days of the conflict more than 2 thousand civilians of South Ossetia were lost. Residential areas were shelled precisely, the unique pieces of architecture which are under protection of UNESCO are destroyed. And there were 70 Russian soldiers, who literally covered old people, women and kids with their bodies. Georgian negative profit is not known till now. Anyway, quantity of the civilians who have suffered during bombardment of military base in Gori is incommensurably less than thousands of perished Ossetians. If these figures were at least a little comparable, the authorities of Georgia would not fail to puff them up till fantastic sizes and to trumpet about them all over the world.
3) WHO FIGHTED AGAINST WHOM? From the aforesaid it is obvious that Georgians were annihilating civilians, and Russian were protecting the Ossetians.
4) WHAT DOES GEORGIA DO IT FOR? The official position of Georgia is that South Ossetia is the Georgian territory, and those who do not admit that are criminals-separatists. However, the referendum which has passed in South Ossetia has shown that 99 \% of its population support independence from Georgia. Thus, 99 \% of the population of South Ossetia must be regarded as separatists. Does that mean the whole nation may be annihilated?
5) WHY DID RUSSIA BOMB GORI? The reason was the same as the USA had when they bombed military facilities in Yugoslavia. Russia was destroying the military base supplying military criminals with the weapon, the criminals who were crushing with tanks grandmothers with their grandkids, the criminals who were shooting from sniper rifles at ambulance cars, leaving seriously injured Russians and the Ossetians to die painfully near the killed drivers, the criminals who had been shooting at FOX NEWS correspondents on the territory of Gori.
6) WHO IS MICHAEL SAAKASHVILI? He is a person who can see and hear better than his bodyguards who till now do not understand why he suddenly started looking around and then ran with shouts “leave” and fall to the ground. He is a person who behaves very easy online and permits himself to put a good half of his red tie into his mouth. It would be ridiculous, if it was not so terrible. This person recognizes tanks in outskirts of Tbilisi as Russian materiel and cries out «Russians coming!!!» And this is only one of the examples of scandalous misinformation at once spread by western mass-media. It is easy to understand the indignation of «Russia Online» operator who saw his own shots of Tskhinvali destroyed by Georgians with a mark «consequences of bombardments in Gori». You do not believe? “You tube” is at your service!
And last question – is SUCH Georgia worth the American support? Worth participating in the genocide by delegating 180 military advisers? Making an ass of oneself when transferring the unchecked data? Does America need cowardly and, what is the most awful, inadequate allies? Why Kosovo is independent, the Yugoslavian leaders appear at court one after another, but in Georgia and South Ossetia there is the opposite situation?
We do not hope to get answers to these questions. We believe that sane people, including Americans, would think once again about who needs the events in South Ossetia and why. For what sake have to perish thousands of civilians who do not wish to see the criminal hypocritically appealing to mercy and justice as their ruler?
Let everyone get one’s bitters!

]]> By: Yuriy http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-14/#comment-1511442 Yuriy Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:50:20 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1511442 >he fact is Infrastructure of Tshkenvaly remain intact is has been never destroyed My be you didn't see photos? See Infrastructure of Tshkenvaly: http://osinform.ru/foto/ http://osgenocide.ru/genocid/fotos/170-podbitaja-gruzinskaja-tekhnika-na.html >he fact is Infrastructure of Tshkenvaly remain intact is has been never destroyed
My be you didn’t see photos? See Infrastructure of Tshkenvaly:
http://osinform.ru/foto/
http://osgenocide.ru/genocid/fotos/170-podbitaja-gruzinskaja-tekhnika-na.html

]]> By: Yuriy http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-14/#comment-1511440 Yuriy Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:48:06 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1511440 Do you know, that after Georgian attack on Tshkenvaly there was now water and electricity for a week in all town? And in Gory and in Tbilisi water and electricity was. >Why don’t you put an eye on what HRW is doing now? Really? In Russia we head, how one of HRW said, that Georgia used cluster bombs... Don't you hear it? Do you know, that after Georgian attack on Tshkenvaly there was now water and electricity for a week in all town? And in Gory and in Tbilisi water and electricity was.

>Why don’t you put an eye on what HRW is doing now?
Really? In Russia we head, how one of HRW said, that Georgia used cluster bombs… Don’t you hear it?

]]> By: Yuriy http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-14/#comment-1511436 Yuriy Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:45:20 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1511436 >Presumably, Russia will now recognise NORTH OSSETIA as >independent, under the same “right of >self-determination?” Same, as Kosovo... >Or Dagestan, Ingushetia, the Ural Republic, Chechnya, >etcetera, etcetera, etcetera? I live in Ural... I was in Ingushetia villages myself... Everybody loves Russians. You was in Ingushetia yourself? >Presumably, Russia will now recognise NORTH OSSETIA as
>independent, under the same “right of
>self-determination?”
Same, as Kosovo…

>Or Dagestan, Ingushetia, the Ural Republic, Chechnya,
>etcetera, etcetera, etcetera?
I live in Ural… I was in Ingushetia villages myself… Everybody loves Russians. You was in Ingushetia yourself?

]]> By: Yuriy http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-14/#comment-1511433 Yuriy Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:43:34 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1511433 >This is funny that the lie of “2000-death” is still >spreading around. My dear... It is written by CNN too... But, if you don't believe, you can see first part of list of SO people, who was killed by Georgians. It is here: http://www.osetinfo.ru/main/25 First 311 names. And ways, how Georgians killed this people. You can go in SO and prove it. Google can help you to translate this page. >Russia use cluster bomb to threaten civilians too far from SO too. European commission said, that cluster bombs used near Rock tunnel. Rock tunnel is the only way for Russian troops in SO. So Georgians used cluster bomb, when Russians went through Rock tunnel. Russian couldn't bomb itself. >They include Ossetians as well as Georgians. In 1992 UN said that on SO can't be Georgian troops. Don't you remember phrase of Georgians in 1992? Georgia for Georgians! And they killed ossetians in 1992. So UN entered in SO Russian peacekeepers. Russian peacekeepers divided ethnic Georgians and ethnic ossetians. >Georgia did not “invade” SO, it is part of Georgia, you cannot invade your own country. I repeat, that UN in 1992 said that georgians troops can't be in SO. Do you think UN judgment was illegal? SO was part of Georgia only juridically. Not factually. So now factual state of SO become juridical. >Georgia has 4.6 million people, even if 2,000 did die, >more than that die of natural causes every day. Read link, that I gave. Translate it. All that people was killed by georgian troops. It is prooved facts... >Georgian ones have TRIED to stop SO and A people >attacking Georgians, Russians NEVER have. Really? I often hear about Georgians troops, that attacked SO villages before 7 august... I think really, both side (SO and Georgia) attacked villages of other side. Don't idealize Georgia. But SO and Russians never shoot in civilians building from tank in towns. But Georgians shooted and cry 'yooohooo'... You can see it in video. >This is funny that the lie of “2000-death” is still
>spreading around.
My dear… It is written by CNN too… But, if you don’t believe, you can see first part of list of SO people, who was killed by Georgians. It is here: http://www.osetinfo.ru/main/25

First 311 names. And ways, how Georgians killed this people. You can go in SO and prove it.

Google can help you to translate this page.

>Russia use cluster bomb to threaten civilians too far from SO too.
European commission said, that cluster bombs used near Rock tunnel. Rock tunnel is the only way for Russian troops in SO. So Georgians used cluster bomb, when Russians went through Rock tunnel. Russian couldn’t bomb itself.

>They include Ossetians as well as Georgians.
In 1992 UN said that on SO can’t be Georgian troops. Don’t you remember phrase of Georgians in 1992? Georgia for Georgians! And they killed ossetians in 1992. So UN entered in SO Russian peacekeepers. Russian peacekeepers divided ethnic Georgians and ethnic ossetians.

>Georgia did not “invade” SO, it is part of Georgia, you cannot invade your own country.
I repeat, that UN in 1992 said that georgians troops can’t be in SO. Do you think UN judgment was illegal? SO was part of Georgia only juridically. Not factually. So now factual state of SO become juridical.

>Georgia has 4.6 million people, even if 2,000 did die,
>more than that die of natural causes every day.
Read link, that I gave. Translate it. All that people was killed by georgian troops. It is prooved facts…

>Georgian ones have TRIED to stop SO and A people
>attacking Georgians, Russians NEVER have.
Really? I often hear about Georgians troops, that attacked SO villages before 7 august… I think really, both side (SO and Georgia) attacked villages of other side. Don’t idealize Georgia. But SO and Russians never shoot in civilians building from tank in towns. But Georgians shooted and cry ‘yooohooo’… You can see it in video.

]]> By: Maconald http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-13/#comment-1510951 Maconald Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:41:22 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1510951 Juls is able to accept propaganda as fact. Simple. There is no reason to accept whatever said by govt. Look at the humanitarian NGO like HRW. The fact is Infrastructure of Tshkenvaly remain intact is has been never destroyed (BTW, Russia is a god and can built destroyed infrastructure in a week). The major humanitarian crisis in SO is the ethical Georgia villiage, which is razed by Russian or SO troop. Why don't you put an eye on what HRW is doing now? Juls is able to accept propaganda as fact. Simple.

There is no reason to accept whatever said by govt. Look at the humanitarian NGO like HRW. The fact is Infrastructure of Tshkenvaly remain intact is has been never destroyed (BTW, Russia is a god and can built destroyed infrastructure in a week). The major humanitarian crisis in SO is the ethical Georgia villiage, which is razed by Russian or SO troop. Why don’t you put an eye on what HRW is doing now?

]]> By: juls http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-13/#comment-1510886 juls Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:47:15 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1510886 Maconald Joke or Jerk is YOU! All your cynical comments about Russia, about civilian deths are absolute lies. You probably just sleep and dream about cold war, about Russia as an enemy so that you can justify your fears and your disability to accept the truth. Russia prevented the ethical cleansing of SO population. Georgia started the genocide of SO people. And I hope that Sakashvilly will pay for that. I am not sure what meaning the person like you put in word “humanitarian”, but as we speak, Russia helps SO to restore schools, hospitals and all the infrastructure of Tshkenvaly after it was destroyed by Georgia. To me this is very humanitarian. In my eyes Russia is a hero! Maconald Joke or Jerk is YOU! All your cynical comments about Russia, about civilian deths are absolute lies. You probably just sleep and dream about cold war, about Russia as an enemy so that you can justify your fears and your disability to accept the truth.
Russia prevented the ethical cleansing of SO population. Georgia started the genocide of SO people. And I hope that Sakashvilly will pay for that.
I am not sure what meaning the person like you put in word “humanitarian”, but as we speak, Russia helps SO to restore schools, hospitals and all the infrastructure of Tshkenvaly after it was destroyed by Georgia. To me this is very humanitarian. In my eyes Russia is a hero!

]]> By: Rumwold Leigh http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-13/#comment-1510875 Rumwold Leigh Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:20:34 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1510875 Yuriy, I do not believe a word the Georgian government says, ever. I get my information from people involved. There are no such things as "citizens of SO". They are Georgian citizens, some of whom were given Russian passports. There are more people outside SO than in it who have permanent homes there, but were driven out by previous waves of conflict. They include Ossetians as well as Georgians. Were they included in the referendum, or asked their opinion on whether Georgia should recover its territory? Georgia did not "invade" SO, it is part of Georgia, you cannot invade your own country. What is the source of your casualty figures, and how can you demonstrate that any one of the dead was killed by whoever you say did it? Georgia has 4.6 million people, even if 2,000 did die, more than that die of natural causes every day. The peacekeepers, Russian and Georgian, were there under a CIS mandate, not a UN one. Georgian ones have TRIED to stop SO and A people attacking Georgians, Russians NEVER have. Georgian peacekeepers have NEVER funded, trained or encouraged the Georgian Army, and why would they?Russia HAS done these things for the separatists, and never stopped their attacks on Georgians. both A and SO also have LEGITIMATE authorities, loyal to Tbilisi. Yes, the US has been involved in training Georgian troops. Georgia asked for US support and was given it. As an independent sovereign state, recognised by every country on earth, it has the right to make alliances with whomever it wants. Russia has no right to tell it who it can make alliances with, but refuses to accept this, which is why it provoked all the separatist conflicts, and propped them up this long, in the first place. Presumably, Russia will now recognise NORTH OSSETIA as independent, under the same "right of self-determination?" Or Dagestan, Ingushetia, the Ural Republic, Chechnya, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera? Oh sorry, I forgot. "Self-determination" means "being absorbed into Russia in any way possible", it will never be allowed to apply to people within Russia, as Georgia was once, hence the Russian attitude. Yuriy, I do not believe a word the Georgian government says, ever. I get my information from people involved.

There are no such things as “citizens of SO”. They are Georgian citizens, some of whom were given Russian passports. There are more people outside SO than in it who have permanent homes there, but were driven out by previous waves of conflict. They include Ossetians as well as Georgians. Were they included in the referendum, or asked their opinion on whether Georgia should recover its territory?

Georgia did not “invade” SO, it is part of Georgia, you cannot invade your own country. What is the source of your casualty figures, and how can you demonstrate that any one of the dead was killed by whoever you say did it? Georgia has 4.6 million people, even if 2,000 did die, more than that die of natural causes every day.

The peacekeepers, Russian and Georgian, were there under a CIS mandate, not a UN one. Georgian ones have TRIED to stop SO and A people attacking Georgians, Russians NEVER have. Georgian peacekeepers have NEVER funded, trained or encouraged the Georgian Army, and why would they?Russia HAS done these things for the separatists, and never stopped their attacks on Georgians. both A and SO also have LEGITIMATE authorities, loyal to Tbilisi.

Yes, the US has been involved in training Georgian troops. Georgia asked for US support and was given it. As an independent sovereign state, recognised by every country on earth, it has the right to make alliances with whomever it wants. Russia has no right to tell it who it can make alliances with, but refuses to accept this, which is why it provoked all the separatist conflicts, and propped them up this long, in the first place.

Presumably, Russia will now recognise NORTH OSSETIA as independent, under the same “right of self-determination?” Or Dagestan, Ingushetia, the Ural Republic, Chechnya, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera? Oh sorry, I forgot. “Self-determination” means “being absorbed into Russia in any way possible”, it will never be allowed to apply to people within Russia, as Georgia was once, hence the Russian attitude.

]]> By: Maconald http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-13/#comment-1510846 Maconald Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:09:25 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1510846 This is funny that the lie of "2000-death" is still spreading around. Even Russia propaganda tune it down to 130-140. People believe lies to justify their "Georgia must be crushed" propaganda. Russia use cluster bomb to threaten civilians too far from SO too. Russia is protecting the SO militia who has committed ethical cleansing. That why SO can hold a referendum with 90%+ support: ethical cleansing. Those who support Georgia now having house is burnt. That is the reality of referendum. Humanitarian Russia? Joke. This is funny that the lie of “2000-death” is still spreading around. Even Russia propaganda tune it down to 130-140. People believe lies to justify their “Georgia must be crushed” propaganda.

Russia use cluster bomb to threaten civilians too far from SO too.

Russia is protecting the SO militia who has committed ethical cleansing. That why SO can hold a referendum with 90%+ support: ethical cleansing. Those who support Georgia now having house is burnt. That is the reality of referendum.

Humanitarian Russia? Joke.

]]> By: Yuriy http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/08/08/georgia-south-ossetia-update/comment-page-13/#comment-1510842 Yuriy Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:06:22 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=48027#comment-1510842 >As the SO government evacuated Tskhinvali in preparation >for its own attack days before Georgia went in Do you know the population of Tshinvali? It is about 100 000. In what country they were evacuated? There was no 100 000 SO citizens on Nord Ossetia... But after Georgian invasion about 30 000 citizens of SO entered in Nord Ossetia. It is a fact. So don't believe "evacuation", because it need very much time to evacuate so much people through little Rock Tunnel. And I repeat you again, that by the official Geogrgia told that 129 Georgian civilians and military were killed and 748 wounded. Do you believe Georgia? Ask this question, please: Do you believe information about deaths from Georgian government? >Please demonstrate which were killed by Georgians, which > by Ossetians and which by Russians, and how you know >this. Russians killed georgians... There was 129 georgians killed... So Russians killed 129 Georgians.... Georgians killed citizens of SO. See video: http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=148401&cid=1&doc_type=news&doc_id=206315 There was 2100 killed SO citizens. It is understandable? >Russia makes NO ATTEMPT whatever to stop SO troops >attacking Georgians - on the contrary, it has always >trained them, armed them and bankrolled their regime. You don't know history... There was Russian peacekeepers with UN mandate... And there was Georgian peacekeepers with UN mandate too.... So, if you said that somebody attacked georgian villages and Russians peacekeepers did not anything... But Georgians peacekeepers did not anything too to prevent attacks... As for training... You can see in video how Georgian troops, trained by USA shooting in civilian building from tank.... So USA teach Georgian troops to shoot civilian building from tank... Right I am? >Georgia did not invade anywhere Georgia invade in SO... Georgia tell as about it on its official sites... I want to ask you again: Do you believe information from Georgians or not? >As the SO government evacuated Tskhinvali in preparation
>for its own attack days before Georgia went in
Do you know the population of Tshinvali? It is about 100 000. In what country they were evacuated? There was no 100 000 SO citizens on Nord Ossetia… But after Georgian invasion about 30 000 citizens of SO entered in Nord Ossetia. It is a fact. So don’t believe “evacuation”, because it need very much time to evacuate so much people through little Rock Tunnel.
And I repeat you again, that by the official Geogrgia told that 129 Georgian civilians and military were killed and 748 wounded.
Do you believe Georgia? Ask this question, please: Do you believe information about deaths from Georgian government?

>Please demonstrate which were killed by Georgians, which
> by Ossetians and which by Russians, and how you know >this.
Russians killed georgians… There was 129 georgians killed… So Russians killed 129 Georgians….
Georgians killed citizens of SO. See video: http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=148401&cid=1&doc_type=news&doc_id=206315
There was 2100 killed SO citizens. It is understandable?

>Russia makes NO ATTEMPT whatever to stop SO troops
>attacking Georgians – on the contrary, it has always
>trained them, armed them and bankrolled their regime.
You don’t know history… There was Russian peacekeepers with UN mandate… And there was Georgian peacekeepers with UN mandate too…. So, if you said that somebody attacked georgian villages and Russians peacekeepers did not anything… But Georgians peacekeepers did not anything too to prevent attacks… As for training… You can see in video how Georgian troops, trained by USA shooting in civilian building from tank…. So USA teach Georgian troops to shoot civilian building from tank… Right I am?

>Georgia did not invade anywhere
Georgia invade in SO… Georgia tell as about it on its official sites… I want to ask you again: Do you believe information from Georgians or not?

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