Following the fear-mongering perpetuated this week by (actually pro-surveillance) American senator Sam Brownback that China will be spying on attendees of the Olympics in their hotel rooms, anti-CNN.com has localized the story by looking at how the BBC covered it in the current anti-CNN front-page exposé post, ‘British Brain-washing Channel [sic] (BBC) Lies again!'
通过搜索，我们发现这张图片至少6次被BBC作为”当前“新闻配图引用过，而相关新闻的时间跨度长达8年！
So following the one above, the anti-CNN.com community was able to dig up:
★★故事二★★
发生时间：2006年10月25日【06.10.25 BBC】异议人士李建平网上撰文被判监禁
【链接】http://news.bbc.co.uk/chinese/simp/hi/newsid_6080000/newsid_6084400/6084460.stm
★★故事三★★
发生时间：2006年7月23日【06.7.23 BBC】中国建立“互联网黑名单”
【链接】http://news.bbc.co.uk/chinese/simp/hi/newsid_5200000/newsid_5207600/5207640.stm
★★故事四★★
发生时间：2002年09月23日
【02.09.23 BBC】The cost of China's web censors 中国网络检查的成本
【英文链接】http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2264508.stm
★★故事五★★
发生时间：2001年07月20日
【01.7.20 BBC】China acts on net ‘addicts' 中国对网络'痴迷者'展开行动
【链接】http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/asia-pacific/1448423.stm
★★故事六★★
发生时间：2000年08月26日
【00.08.26 BBC】China tackles cyber squatters 中国打击“域名抢注”行为
【英文链接】http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/897413.stm
And one user was even able to find another case, also from the year 2000:
是故事的终结篇吗？也许不是
故事七
发生时间：2000年8月21日
【00.8.21 BBC】Jiang backs China's net growth 江泽民支持中国网络发展
Story seven
August 21, 2000
Jiang backs China's net growth
A few cherrypickings of the first of four pages and growing of comments on this thread:
实在服了西方媒体记者的”敬业精神”.
这张照片怎么看怎么象是两个武警在学上网.
This really makes a joke of western media journalists' “professionalism”
Is it me or does this photo just look like two wujing learning how to use the internet
。。。。现在都液晶显示器了，还用这么老的显示器做新闻图片，他们是不是认为我们这8年就没发展啊，造假也太没水准了吧
We use LCD screens now, how could a photo with such an old monitor be called news? Do they think we haven't been developing here these past eight years? They can't even make fake news properly!
西方民主的所谓新闻自由，难道不负任何责任吗？不负责任就叫自由呀？哦，西方就是要让中国不负责任呀，不负责任以后，他们就有机会了
So in Western democracy's so-called press freedom, is being irresponsible the way to be responsible? Irresponsibility is just freedom? Sure, the West just wants China to be irresponsible, so that when it is, then they'll have their chance
Update:
see BBC Recycles Same Photo Over Eight Years, EastSouthWestNorth
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The photo doesn’t change the content of the stories. I don’t see how this demonstrates bias anymore than would the same picture of a flower being used in different articles on gardening.
I’m sure than given China’s wonderfully free foreign press allowances, the BBC could have easily taken many photos of the Internet Police.
Is this really all the anti-CNN crowd can come up with?
Every thing on Chinadaily and Xinhue are totally cooked and dressed by Communist China.
China accusing BB is like Hitler giver lecture on morality and peace to Nelson Mendela.
Smith said: “The photo doesn’t change the content of the stories. I don’t see how this demonstrates bias anymore than would the same picture of a flower being used in different articles on gardening.”
Are you sure the photo doesnt change the content of the stories? Clearly you choose to believe the article content.
How about those that first time saw the picture? It is easier to get them believe it, right?
It is always said Picture says a thousand worlds. Clearly to me, this is a credibility issue.
It is simply ignorance of how stock photography is used in media. For some, it might even be intentional ignorance for the sake of finding fault. It is silly, especially when you have Chinese news sources blatantly photoshopping together the pictures they use.
Chinese edit President’s photo, it is not good, but it do no harm to anyone, I do not care.
But BBC are attacking another country using a fake photo
that has nothing to do with olympics, what a freedom and
democracy? joke
Sorry, zya, you’re wrong. It hurts the people seeing the photoshops and being deceived by them…just as much as you believe that using stock photography misleads people. The difference is that stock photography itself is not fake, but a photoshopped image is. Either anti-CNN should learn how stock photography is used in media and shutup…or they should avoid being hypocrites, acknowledge, and apologize when Chinese news media use stock photography or, worse, false photoshopped images.
If you want to criticize, accept criticism yourself.
Yo Kai,
Why should Anti-CNN apologize for anything that the Chinese Media does?
It is kind of fallacious to link Anti-CNN with the Chinese Media. It is the responsibility of the Chinese media to own up to whatever iffy stuff they did — not Anti-CNN’s. Given that Anti-CNN doesn’t represent the Chinese Media, they don’t have to apologize for anything.
sigh….i guess the ppl in the western world just dont get the one most important thing, chinese ppl know all the things too!
u think chinese ppl dont know china’s not democratic? u think chinese ppl dont get the fact that the internet is monitored and controlled? we r not fools for heavens sake. and so we know it better than anyone else that WHAT BBC IS DOING IS NOTHING BETTER.
we, chinese ppl r the ones who should care about it, more than you do! it affects our daily life NOT URS! we all know how the government controlls the internet and we r all unhappy about it. STILL THAT DOESN’T GIVE BBC THE RIGHT TO DO IT TOO!
wat BBC is doing with fake photos to attack china doesn’t make BBC look any better than communist party to chinese ppl, only worse.
During the tibet riot time the western media was hated by the chinese, but since then we know better, now these media like BBC r just jokes to chinese ppl.
just stop making us despise u more, thank you very much.
The use of a stock pictures is common media practice when current photos are not available.
It probably would be extremely difficult for a foreign journalist or photographer to actually get permission to take pictures of the monitors in front of PSB computer monitors doing their monitorial work during the Olympics.
The possibility also exists that the original photo could have simply been borrowed from a random Chinese website on the Internet. I have used that trick before for military photos of China border areas, but for my own personal use (not to accompany a related news article).
@ so_damn_lame:
Yes, you’re right that anti-CNN does not represent the Chinese media. Of course, I think it just slightly amusing that many Chinese are so willing to take Cafferty’s comments about the government as personal insults (so why not identify with the media this time?). Whatever, my point is that anti-CNN, in all their feverish nit-picking-for-the-defense-of-China’s-honor, should be embarrassed when it is pointed out that Chinese media does the same or worse. This is the same as “the West” acknowledging that they, in the past as a society, have committed many of the same crimes that they accuse the Chinese. Surely, anti-CNN is reasonable enough to admit that it is morally indefensible to pretend their own $#!t doesn’t stink, right? The tables are turned in this situation and it is an opportunity for anti-CNN to show that they’re, well, adults.
Of course, I shouldn’t hold such false hope. Stupidity aggregates and mobs tend to charge forth blindly. This is true of the Chinese as it is true for Westerners.
@ charlotte:
The BBC did not use fake photos to attack China. They used stock photography to represent a concept relevant to their news reporting. Stock photography is all about relevance. Photoshopped images is all about deception. Judging by the way you type, you appear to have had significant Western education or influence. Surely, by now, you understand such a simple thing as “stock photography” right?
Whoever use stock pictures as evidence for fake news and for support of their hidden agenda, be them Communist media or BBC, SHAME ON THEM!!!
Those who want to make propoganda will always use this tricks to attract eyeballs, but when people know the truth, it will only make the credibility lower and lower…
After the biased media attacks in March on Tibet roits, now I think most Chinese are giving only a 60% or even lower credibility to those media reports…
Very sad for BBC and alike… The editor-in-chief should have been more careful with these suspicious reports, to stop some biased journalists ruining the media’s reputation in ordinary Chinese people.
Sometimes between 30-July and 1-August,the great China fire wall has opened a small window,Chinese netizens are given access to BBC(mandarin),www.rfa.org/mandarin,wikipedia,etc.
Followings are some of the posts on Strong Nation Forum at http://www.people.com.cn,a CCP official web site.
反动 :translate (1)senile-minded (2)reactionary.For readers not familiar with CCP terminology,反动 was used extensively in the past on anyone or anything the CCP disliked.Once 反动 was applied,heavy penalty usually followed,sometimes death penalty.
On this occasion my prefered choice is senile-minded.
对于反动网站或不反动网站,其实没有根本的界限.只要报道属实.反之,若不属实,任你的谎言说得再好,人民也当你放屁. ( 官人我还要6次 08-08-01 21:58:38 ) 0字 ( 0/168/0 )
About senile-minded or not senile-minded web sites,there isn’t any basic line of division.All we want is those reportings are factual.On the contrary,if the reportings are non-factual,no matter how beautiful your lies are,folks will just treat them like farts.
. 解网天也塌不下来。 ( 天下公平 08-08-01 21:54:22 ) 0字 ( 0/21/1 )
The sky will not fall down once the internet is opened.
# 反动的就是新鲜一阵。只要真正把工作落实，老百姓明白了也能体谅，那些就逐渐失去市场了。 ( 晨风露 08-08-01 21:57:35 ) 0字 ( 0/8/0 )
Senile-minded thing’s freshness is only momentarily.As long as we do our jobs well,ordinary folks understand,and appreciate,they will lose their appeals.
. 老夫强烈建议，封闭反动网站，这不是在乱我大清朝纲吗？ ( 绿林好人 08-08-01 21:47:22 ) 0字 ( 0/70/1 )
I strongly propose,block out all those senile-minded web sites,it is disrupting our Manchu Dynasty’s imperial rule!
看BBC或上BBC中文网，真是一种美的享受啊，人家也没那些无聊的寿桃 ( 我这块牛粪最大4k 08-08-01 21:46:37 ) 0字 ( 0/140/1 )
Look at BBC or BBC(mandarin),really enjoy it’s beauty,at least they don’t have those boring female bodies.
# 大牛粪已经彻底做了资产阶级的俘虏,哈哈 ( 傀儡的主人o 08-08-01 21:49:13 ) 0字 ( 0/10/0 )
Big cow excrement has absolutely become the prisoner-of-war of the capitalists,HAHA.
老夫断言，奥运后那些反动网站统统要封闭！当然了，上反动网站的网友不定要腔毙！ ( 绿林好人 08-08-01 21:44:18 ) 0字 ( 0/68/1 )
I swear,after olympic,all those senile-minded web sites will be blocked off! Of course,those who have visited seniled-minded web sites may be executed by firing squads!
1. 罗格帮大陆同胞推开了封闭的大门.国人看到不一样的声音. ( 一襟晚照 08-08-01 21:42:02 ) 0字 ( 0/51/0 )
Rogue(IOC chairman) helps mainland folks open the closed door,lets us citizens see and listen to different voices.
为何人们觉得FD网站说真话,CCTV说假话？ ( 马虎PK2 08-08-01 21:41:44 ) 0字 ( 0/95/3 )
Why people think foreign web sites are telling the truth,CCTV telling lies?
# 假话说上千百变也就成了真话。 ( 东南剑侠傲神州 08-08-01 21:48:36 ) 59字 ( 0/5/0 )
Lies if been repeated ten of thousands of times will become the truth.
. 其实早就应当解封，那些网站都有电台做支撑，封网根本就无效，一个短波收音机就啥都听了，封人家网岂不是掩耳盗铃？ ( 依旧桃 08-08-01 21:36:55 ) 0字 ( 0/32/1 )
The fact is it should have been done long time ago,those web sites are all supported by short wave radio stations,it is basically useless to block the net,just a short wave radio one can listen to whatever you desire,to block others net is just like wearing ear-muff while stealing ringing bells ?
# 甚么“根本无效”？封些总少些嘛！再说现在听话匣子的人也少了。 ( 山妖 08-08-01 21:49:20 ) 0字 ( 0/0/0 )
What “basically useless” ?To block a bit is better than no block at all!Afterall not many people still listen to short wave anymore.
必必西太反动了，居然开了个中文网页，而且能查到以前的新闻！！让人看不下去，把咱们惹火了，还封了它！！！ ( 五讲四美三热爱 08-08-01 21:36:13 ) 18字 ( 0/66/1 )
BBC is really too much,even open a mandarin web page,and all the previous news are there to be seen!I can’t take it anymore,once it upset us(read government),it will be blocked again!!!
# 你申办时候承诺要言论自由的. ( 一襟晚照 08-08-01 21:38:13 ) 0字 ( 0/8/0 )
In your application for the olympic you did promise freedom of speech.
alibaba, maybe you should start a website and post translations of Chinese citizen’s different reactions and opinions about these issues, similar to what Kennedy does here at GVO. There are unfortunately still many Western people who don’t realize that many Chinese are not brainwashed robots who fully believe anything the CCP government tells them. The reality, as charlotte noted above, is that many Chinese are often skeptical of their government-controlled media but even if they are, they’re still human and are liable to become defensive whenever they feel threatened. It is a human reaction, even if it is not a mature or rational one. More importantly, it is not a reaction that only the Chinese have.
Intellectual dissent very much exists in Chinese society regardless of what the CCP government tries to promote or enforce. I think many Western people would feel better knowing that, but do not simply because of the language barrier.
To kai,
I totally agree with you,kai.I have cut n paste many articles in my USB drive,many of them are of top academic values.It takes up a lot of time,and heart,to do a good translation.
By the way,can you read mandarin too?
238. 自从奥运火炬在国外遇阻后，海外网站就一直不好上了。 ( 余le25 08-08-01 21:35:37 ) 0字 ( 0/20/2 )
Ever since the olympic torch relay had troubles overseas,the foreign web sites were usually blocked.
# 用代理服务器看看 ( 60.20.43 08-08-01 21:51:37 ) 0字 ( 0/3/0 )
Try virtual server and have a look
239. 反动网站不是洪水猛兽嘛，上面那些反动信息，老夫拿来也是要分析一下的，不过受习惯影响，也总是反着来理解． ( 绿林好人 08-08-01 21:35:24 ) 0字 ( 0/20/0 )
Senile-minded web sites are no flood or wild beasts,all those reactionary messages,I usually analyze them first,but due to old habit,I end up reaching the conclusion at the opposite end of whatever they say.
强烈反对将自由亚洲电台的网站放出啦，矜持了这么多年，这下可全完了。。。哈哈哈哈哈哈。。。 ( 自卑的一美元 08-08-01 21:32:08 ) 0字 ( 0/98/2 )
Strongly oppose the release of Radio Free Asia’s web site,so many years of pretending,it is all gone and finished….HAHAHAHAHAHA…
# 真放开了，惊叹 ( 零部件1 08-08-01 21:44:01 ) 0字 ( 0/6/1 )
Is it for real,what a supprise
258. 北京奥运与全球互联网 中华民族复兴的助推剂 ( 黄晨灏 08-08-01 21:32:01 ) 1769字 ( 0/13/0 )
Beijing olympic and global internet,Chung Hua nation revival’s helping force
. 休渔的时间结束了 大家出海吧 ( 道德人生 08-08-01 21:31:55 ) 14字 ( 0/13/0 )
The fishing embargo has ended,lets all go to the sea
262. 大家不用代理能进反动网站了？ ( 庄生&精卫 08-08-01 21:31:48 ) 0字 ( 0/54/3 )
Is it true we can enter senile-minded web sites without using virtual server?
# 谈不上反动(因为这些网站中也有夸奖我朝的文章),最多算异化吧 ( 老灰猫 08-08-01 21:34:38 ) 0字 ( 0/8/0 )
There is nothing reactionary about(those web sites also have articles praising our dynasty),at most it’s a bit exotic.
# 是啊，昨天就能进了，是不是你被和谐了？？ ( 打了一针强心剂来上网 08-08-01 21:32:45 ) 0字 ( 0/0/0 )
Yes,can enter since yesterday,are you being harmonized?
BBC今晚是这样说的：国际媒体向罗格反应，他很生气，才会有今天万网齐开的局面 ( 我这块牛粪最大4k 08-08-01 21:26:51 ) 0字 ( 0/72/1 )
BBC announced tonight:International media reveal to Rogue(IOC chairman),he was very angry,resulting in today’s open internet.
大哥，有人把自由亚洲之类的网站都放出来了，太可怕了！咱们一定要保护不明真相的群众，可不能中了它们的毒呀！ ( 五讲四美三热爱 08-08-01 21:21:19 ) 9字 ( 0/93/2 )
Big Brother,someone has released web sites such as Radio Free Asia,it is terrible! We must protect those mass who never know what is the truth,cannot let them be poisoned by Radio Free Asia !
# 全方也不怕。真金难道还怕火来炼吗？只要立足人民，真诚为人民解决好遇到的各种困难，有人民支持，全方也是不怕的 ( 晨风露 08-08-01 21:27:23 ) 0字 ( 0/2/0 )
Complete open of the internet,is nothing to be scared of.Has real gold ever afraid of fire? As long as we are on the people’s side,truly and honestly solve all those problems faced by them,with the people’s support,complete open of internet is nothing to be afraid of.
. 听说自由亚洲电台网站解封了, 刚试了一下,果然可以上了, 感觉太阳从西边出来了啊 ( 广州家伙 08-08-01 21:06:59 ) 0字 ( 0/265/1 )
I have heard Radio Free Asia was unblocked,just now I give it a try,indeed,I have succeeded to do so,feeling the sun have risen from the West,YA…..
# 文哥网也解封了？哈哈哈。。。。。。。。。。 ( 好兵衰客 08-08-01 21:09:41 ) 0字 ( 0/29/0 )
Even web site on Cultural Revolution has been unblocked? HAHAHA……….
开放反动网站，说明了中国领导人的自信。小左再也蒙蔽不了国人了。 ( 把大小非赶出A股 08-08-01 21:05:33 ) 0字 ( 0/98/3 )
The open up of the seniled-minded web sites,has clearly shown the self confidence of the Chinese leaders.Those little leftists can no longer keep us in the dark.
# 你是说有人不自信?哈哈哈 ( 龙哥0167 08-08-01 21:09:36 ) 0字 ( 0/3/0
Are you saying someone is lack of self confidence?
# 你不用代理能进什么敏感网站？擦鞋也要摆事实。 ( 【庄生】 08-08-01 21:08:47 ) 0字 ( 0/8/1 )
Without virtual server how can you go to any sensitive web sites?To lick boots you still need to present facts.
# 天啊，你太孤陋寡闻了，国家专门开放了三个反动网站。 ( 把大小非赶出A股 08-08-01 21:14:52 ) 0字 ( 0/23/0 )
Oh my heaven,you really are too isolated and ignorant,the state has specially opened up 3 seniled-minded web sites.
国际特赦组织的网站也解禁了，看来羊大人是厉害啊，羊大人的批评得罪不起(删？我有说错吗？为什么国人的批评可以无视而羊人的批评就这么快改正了？) ( 普通百姓有话要说 08-08-01 21:03:32 ) 0字 ( 0/55/0 )
Amnesty International’s web site was also unblocked,looks like foregin daddy is all mighty,foreign daddy’s criticism no one dare to disobey(delete? Have I said anything wrong?Why our own folk’s criticism can be ignored,whereas foreigner’s criticism is fast being taken up and things got rectified real fast?)
同一个世界，同一个梦想，为什么不对中华民族也开放一下封锁了的网络呢？ ( 鲁迅二代 08-08-01 20:56:57 ) 0字 ( 0/34/0 )
Same world,Same dream,why can’t Chung Hua nation has a opened internet?
这么多外国媒体挑剔北京，这是好事有则改之无则加勉，若没人挑剔说明没人当回事。中国媒体也应与时俱进，少些大惊小怪。 ( smxking 08-08-01 20:40:59 ) 0字 ( 0/38/3 )
So many foreign media picking on Beijing,it is a good thing,if really there is something wrong,we will rectify it,if nothing wrong,we are still happy,if no one ever pick on you,just shows that you are worthless to be even looked at.It is time for Chinese media to advance with time,instead of pussy-foot around.
# 舆论监督难道也要搞崇洋媚外吗？为什么国人的批评可以无视而羊人的批评就立马改正了呢？ ( 普通百姓有话要说 08-08-01 20:47:03 ) 0字 ( 0/19/2 )
Is media supervision from foreigners more valuable and important than supervision from our own self?
Why is it that our own folk’s criticism can be ignored,whereas foreigner’s criticisms are being rectified on the spot?
# 你说得对,情况确实如此. ( 廉彤 08-08-01 20:50:21 ) 0字 ( 0/0/0 )
What you said is correct,situation is in fact agrees wtih tou have said.
维基百科里面为什么其他都能搜索，陆4就不行？一搜索就被屏蔽？行得正难道还怕人说？ ( 普通百姓有话要说 08-08-01 16:41:11 ) 0字 ( 0/29/2 )
why is it that anything can be searched in Wikipedia,but not 4-June?Why 4-June still been blocked?If you did not do anything wrong,why so scared of others talking?
I really like alibaba’s translation comments, a lot. But Kai’s idea makes a lot of sense to me as well, especially if translations were well-tagged, that would make a really amazing database for anyone (non-Chinese-reading) interested in any specific topic. I know that if something like that existed, I’d use it a lot for reference on specific keywords.
Thanks Jk,and kai.
JK,this is the first time ever on internet I receive such a heart-felt comment.Thanks again buddy.
But compare to those fearless bloggers on http://www.kdnet.com,www.people.com.cn,and Tianya.cn,my effort pales into nothingness.We all know that those bloggers often look death in the eyes.
238. 自从奥运火炬在国外遇阻后，海外网站就一直不好上了。 ( 余le25 08-08-01 21:35:37 ) 0字 ( 0/20/2 )
Ever since the olympic torch relay had troubles overseas,the foreign web sites were usually blocked.
# 用代理服务器看看 ( 60.20.43 08-08-01 21:51:37 ) 0字 ( 0/3/0 )
Try virtual server and have a look
239. 反动网站不是洪水猛兽嘛，上面那些反动信息，老夫拿来也是要分析一下的，不过受习惯影响，也总是反着来理解． ( 绿林好人 08-08-01 21:35:24 ) 0字 ( 0/20/0 )
Senile-minded web sites are no flood or wild beasts,all those reactionary messages,I usually analyze them first,but due to old habit,I end up reaching the conclusion at the opposite end of whatever they say.
强烈反对将自由亚洲电台的网站放出啦，矜持了这么多年，这下可全完了。。。哈哈哈哈哈哈。。。 ( 自卑的一美元 08-08-01 21:32:08 ) 0字 ( 0/98/2 )
Strongly oppose the release of Radio Free Asia’s web site,so many years of pretending,it is all gone and finished….HAHAHAHAHAHA…
# 真放开了，惊叹 ( 零部件1 08-08-01 21:44:01 ) 0字 ( 0/6/1 )
Is it for real,what a supprise
258. 北京奥运与全球互联网 中华民族复兴的助推剂 ( 黄晨灏 08-08-01 21:32:01 ) 1769字 ( 0/13/0 )
Beijing olympic and global internet,Chung Hua nation revival helping forces
. 休渔的时间结束了 大家出海吧 ( 道德人生 08-08-01 21:31:55 ) 14字 ( 0/13/0 )
The fishing embargo has ended,lets all go to the sea
262. 大家不用代理能进反动网站了？ ( 庄生&精卫 08-08-01 21:31:48 ) 0字 ( 0/54/3 )
Is it true we can enter senile-minded web sites without using virtual server?
# 谈不上反动(因为这些网站中也有夸奖我朝的文章),最多算异化吧 ( 老灰猫 08-08-01 21:34:38 ) 0字 ( 0/8/0 )
There is nothing reactionary about(those web sites also have articles praising our dynasty),at most it’s a bit exotic.
# 是啊，昨天就能进了，是不是你被和谐了？？ ( 打了一针强心剂来上网 08-08-01 21:32:45 ) 0字 ( 0/0/0 )
Yes,can enter since yesterday,are you being harmonized?
BBC今晚是这样说的：国际媒体向罗格反应，他很生气，才会有今天万网齐开的局面 ( 我这块牛粪最大4k 08-08-01 21:26:51 ) 0字 ( 0/72/1 )
BBC announced tonight:International media reveal to Rogue(IOC chairman),he was very angry,resulting in today’s open internet.
大哥，有人把自由亚洲之类的网站都放出来了，太可怕了！咱们一定要保护不明真相的群众，可不能中了它们的毒呀！ ( 五讲四美三热爱 08-08-01 21:21:19 ) 9字 ( 0/93/2 )
Big Brother,someone has released web sites such as Radio Free Asia,it is terrible! We must protect those mass who never know what is the truth,cannot let them be poisoned by Radio Free Asia !
# 全方也不怕。真金难道还怕火来炼吗？只要立足人民，真诚为人民解决好遇到的各种困难，有人民支持，全方也是不怕的 ( 晨风露 08-08-01 21:27:23 ) 0字 ( 0/2/0 )
Complete open of the internet,is nothing to be scared of.Has real gold ever afraid of fire? As long as we are on the people’s side,truly and honestly solve all those problems faced by them,with the people’s support,complete open of internet is nothing to be afraid of.
. 听说自由亚洲电台网站解封了, 刚试了一下,果然可以上了, 感觉太阳从西边出来了啊 ( 广州家伙 08-08-01 21:06:59 ) 0字 ( 0/265/1 )
I have heard Radio Free Asia was unblocked,just now I give it a try,indeed,I have succeeded to do so,feeling the sun have risen from the West,YA…..
# 文哥网也解封了？哈哈哈。。。。。。。。。。 ( 好兵衰客 08-08-01 21:09:41 ) 0字 ( 0/29/0 )
Even web site on Cultural Revolution has been unblocked? HAHAHA……….
开放反动网站，说明了中国领导人的自信。小左再也蒙蔽不了国人了。 ( 把大小非赶出A股 08-08-01 21:05:33 ) 0字 ( 0/98/3 )
The open up of the seniled-minded web sites,has clearly shown the self confidence of the Chinese leaders.Those little leftists can no longer keep us in the dark.
# 你是说有人不自信?哈哈哈 ( 龙哥0167 08-08-01 21:09:36 ) 0字 ( 0/3/0
Are you saying someone is lack of self confidence?
# 你不用代理能进什么敏感网站？擦鞋也要摆事实。 ( 【庄生】 08-08-01 21:08:47 ) 0字 ( 0/8/1 )
Without virtual server how can you go to any sensitive web sites?To lick boots you still need to present facts.
# 天啊，你太孤陋寡闻了，国家专门开放了三个反动网站。 ( 把大小非赶出A股 08-08-01 21:14:52 ) 0字 ( 0/23/0 )
Oh my heaven,you really are too isolated and ignorant,the state has specially opened up 3 seniled-minded web sites.
国际特赦组织的网站也解禁了，看来羊大人是厉害啊，羊大人的批评得罪不起(删？我有说错吗？为什么国人的批评可以无视而羊人的批评就这么快改正了？) ( 普通百姓有话要说 08-08-01 21:03:32 ) 0字 ( 0/55/0 )
Amnesty International’s web site was also unblocked,looks like foregin daddy is all mighty,foreign daddy’s criticism no one dare to disobey(delete? Have I said anything wrong?Why our own folk’s criticism can be ignored,whereas foreigner’s criticism is fast being taken up and things got rectified real fast?)
同一个世界，同一个梦想，为什么不对中华民族也开放一下封锁了的网络呢？ ( 鲁迅二代 08-08-01 20:56:57 ) 0字 ( 0/34/0 )
Same world,Same dream,why can’t Chung Hua nation has a opened internet?
这么多外国媒体挑剔北京，这是好事有则改之无则加勉，若没人挑剔说明没人当回事。中国媒体也应与时俱进，少些大惊小怪。 ( smxking 08-08-01 20:40:59 ) 0字 ( 0/38/3 )
So many foreign media picking on Beijing,it is a good thing,if really there is something wrong,we will rectify it,if nothing wrong,we are still happy,if no one ever pick on you,just shows that you are worthless to be even looked at.It is time for Chinese media to advance with time,instead of pussy-foot around.
# 舆论监督难道也要搞崇洋媚外吗？为什么国人的批评可以无视而羊人的批评就立马改正了呢？ ( 普通百姓有话要说 08-08-01 20:47:03 ) 0字 ( 0/19/2 )
Is media supervision from foreigners more valuable and important than supervision from our own self?
Why is it that our own folk’s criticism can be ignored,whereas foreigner’s criticisms are being rectified on the spot?
# 你说得对,情况确实如此. ( 廉彤 08-08-01 20:50:21 ) 0字 ( 0/0/0 )
What you said is correct,situation is in fact agrees wtih you have said.
维基百科里面为什么其他都能搜索，陆4就不行？一搜索就被屏蔽？行得正难道还怕人说？ ( 普通百姓有话要说 08-08-01 16:41:11 ) 0字 ( 0/29/2 )
why is it that anything can be searched in Wikipedia,but not 4-June?Why 4-June still been blocked?If you did not do anything wrong,why so scared of others talking?
More from http://www.people.com
238. 自从奥运火炬在国外遇阻后，海外网站就一直不好上了。 ( 余le25 08-08-01 21:35:37 ) 0字 ( 0/20/2 )
Ever since the olympic torch relay had troubles overseas,the foreign web sites were usually blocked.
# 用代理服务器看看 ( 60.20.43 08-08-01 21:51:37 ) 0字 ( 0/3/0 )
Try virtual server and have a look
239. 反动网站不是洪水猛兽嘛，上面那些反动信息，老夫拿来也是要分析一下的，不过受习惯影响，也总是反着来理解． ( 绿林好人 08-08-01 21:35:24 ) 0字 ( 0/20/0 )
Senile-minded web sites are no flood or wild beasts,all those reactionary messages,I usually analyze them first,but due to old habit,I end up reaching the conclusion at the opposite end of whatever they say.
强烈反对将自由亚洲电台的网站放出啦，矜持了这么多年，这下可全完了。。。哈哈哈哈哈哈。。。 ( 自卑的一美元 08-08-01 21:32:08 ) 0字 ( 0/98/2 )
Strongly oppose the release of Radio Free Asia’s web site,so many years of pretending,it is all gone and finished….HAHAHAHAHAHA…
# 真放开了，惊叹 ( 零部件1 08-08-01 21:44:01 ) 0字 ( 0/6/1 )
Is it for real,what a supprise
258. 北京奥运与全球互联网 中华民族复兴的助推剂 ( 黄晨灏 08-08-01 21:32:01 ) 1769字 ( 0/13/0 )
Beijing olympic and global internet,Chung Hua nation revival helping force
. 休渔的时间结束了 大家出海吧 ( 道德人生 08-08-01 21:31:55 ) 14字 ( 0/13/0 )
The fishing embargo has ended,lets all go to the sea
262. 大家不用代理能进反动网站了？ ( 庄生&精卫 08-08-01 21:31:48 ) 0字 ( 0/54/3 )
Is it true we can enter senile-minded web sites without using virtual server?
# 谈不上反动(因为这些网站中也有夸奖我朝的文章),最多算异化吧 ( 老灰猫 08-08-01 21:34:38 ) 0字 ( 0/8/0 )
There is nothing reactionary about(those web sites also have articles praising our dynasty),at most it’s a bit exotic.
# 是啊，昨天就能进了，是不是你被和谐了？？ ( 打了一针强心剂来上网 08-08-01 21:32:45 ) 0字 ( 0/0/0 )
Yes,can enter since yesterday,are you being harmonized?
BBC今晚是这样说的：国际媒体向罗格反应，他很生气，才会有今天万网齐开的局面 ( 我这块牛粪最大4k 08-08-01 21:26:51 ) 0字 ( 0/72/1 )
BBC announced tonight:International media reveal to Rogue(IOC chairman),he was very angry,resulting in today’s open internet.
大哥，有人把自由亚洲之类的网站都放出来了，太可怕了！咱们一定要保护不明真相的群众，可不能中了它们的毒呀！ ( 五讲四美三热爱 08-08-01 21:21:19 ) 9字 ( 0/93/2 )
Big Brother,someone has released web sites such as Radio Free Asia,it is terrible! We must protect those mass who never know what is the truth,cannot let them be poisoned by Radio Free Asia !
# 全方也不怕。真金难道还怕火来炼吗？只要立足人民，真诚为人民解决好遇到的各种困难，有人民支持，全方也是不怕的 ( 晨风露 08-08-01 21:27:23 ) 0字 ( 0/2/0 )
Complete open of the internet,is nothing to be scared of.Has real gold ever afraid of fire? As long as we are on the people’s side,truly and honestly solve all those problems faced by them,with the people’s support,complete open of internet is nothing to be afraid of.
. 听说自由亚洲电台网站解封了, 刚试了一下,果然可以上了, 感觉太阳从西边出来了啊 ( 广州家伙 08-08-01 21:06:59 ) 0字 ( 0/265/1 )
I have heard Radio Free Asia was unblocked,just now I give it a try,indeed,I have succeeded to do so,feeling the sun have risen from the West,YA…..
# 文哥网也解封了？哈哈哈。。。。。。。。。。 ( 好兵衰客 08-08-01 21:09:41 ) 0字 ( 0/29/0 )
Even web site on Cultural Revolution has been unblocked? HAHAHA……….
开放反动网站，说明了中国领导人的自信。小左再也蒙蔽不了国人了。 ( 把大小非赶出A股 08-08-01 21:05:33 ) 0字 ( 0/98/3 )
The open up of the seniled-minded web sites,has clearly shown the self confidence of the Chinese leaders.Those little leftists can no longer keep us in the dark.
# 你是说有人不自信?哈哈哈 ( 龙哥0167 08-08-01 21:09:36 ) 0字 ( 0/3/0
Are you saying someone is lack of self confidence?
# 你不用代理能进什么敏感网站？擦鞋也要摆事实。 ( 【庄生】 08-08-01 21:08:47 ) 0字 ( 0/8/1 )
Without virtual server how can you go to any sensitive web sites?To lick boots you still need to present facts.
# 天啊，你太孤陋寡闻了，国家专门开放了三个反动网站。 ( 把大小非赶出A股 08-08-01 21:14:52 ) 0字 ( 0/23/0 )
Oh my heaven,you really are too isolated and ignorant,the state has specially opened up 3 seniled-minded web sites.
国际特赦组织的网站也解禁了，看来羊大人是厉害啊，羊大人的批评得罪不起(删？我有说错吗？为什么国人的批评可以无视而羊人的批评就这么快改正了？) ( 普通百姓有话要说 08-08-01 21:03:32 ) 0字 ( 0/55/0 )
Amnesty International’s web site was also unblocked,looks like foregin daddy is all mighty,foreign daddy’s criticism no one dare to disobey(delete? Have I said anything wrong?Why our own folk’s criticism can be ignored,whereas foreigner’s criticism is fast being taken up and things got rectified real fast?)
同一个世界，同一个梦想，为什么不对中华民族也开放一下封锁了的网络呢？ ( 鲁迅二代 08-08-01 20:56:57 ) 0字 ( 0/34/0 )
Same world,Same dream,why can’t Chung Hua nation has a opened internet?
这么多外国媒体挑剔北京，这是好事有则改之无则加勉，若没人挑剔说明没人当回事。中国媒体也应与时俱进，少些大惊小怪。 ( smxking 08-08-01 20:40:59 ) 0字 ( 0/38/3 )
So many foreign media picking on Beijing,it is a good thing,if really there is something wrong,we will rectify it,if nothing wrong,we are still happy,if no one ever pick on you,just shows that you are worthless to be even looked at.It is time for Chinese media to advance with time,instead of pussy-foot around.
# 舆论监督难道也要搞崇洋媚外吗？为什么国人的批评可以无视而羊人的批评就立马改正了呢？ ( 普通百姓有话要说 08-08-01 20:47:03 ) 0字 ( 0/19/2 )
Is media supervision from foreigners more valuable and important than supervision from our own self?
Why is it that our own folk’s criticism can be ignored,whereas foreigner’s criticisms are being rectified on the spot?
# 你说得对,情况确实如此. ( 廉彤 08-08-01 20:50:21 ) 0字 ( 0/0/0 )
What you said is correct,situation is in fact agrees wtih tou have said.
维基百科里面为什么其他都能搜索，陆4就不行？一搜索就被屏蔽？行得正难道还怕人说？ ( 普通百姓有话要说 08-08-01 16:41:11 ) 0字 ( 0/29/2 )
why is it that anything can be searched in Wikipedia,but not 4-June?Why 4-June still been blocked?If you did not do anything wrong,why so scared of others talking?
Has something gone wrong with my connection?
Thanks JK,for your encouragement.
If any of you start a data base I will put all my translation there.I still have many more good articles to be translated,it takes a lot of time,and heart.
Sorry everyone for double postings,my internet connection went wrong thus causing such confusion.
Sorry Sorry Sorry
中共解封了下列网站
(博讯北京时间2008年8月02日
路透社
http://cn.reuters.com/ (博讯 boxun.com)
维基百科
http://zh.wikipedia.org/
自由亚洲电台
http://www.rfa.org/mandarin/
美国之音
http://www.voanews.com/chinese
华尔街日报
http://chinese.wsj.com/gb/index.asp
金融时报中文
http://www.ftchinese.com/sc/index.jsp
香港媒体：
明报新闻网
http://www.mingpaonews.com/
明报月刊
http://www.mingpaomonthly.com/cfm/main.cfm
亚洲时报
http://www.atchinese.com/
亚洲周刊
http://www.yzzk.com/cfm/main.cfm
南华早报
http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/SCMP/
南华早报中文
http://olympics.scmp.com/GCO_Simpchi_Index.aspx
苹果日报
http://www1.appledaily.atnext.com/template/apple/sec_main.cfm
台湾媒体：
联合新闻网
http://udn.com/NEWS/main.html
中国时报
http://news.chinatimes.com/mainpage.htm
自由时报
http://www.libertytimes.com.tw/index
Blocking websites in this age is like blocking your eyes to reality
@alibaba you might be able to set something up on Yeeyan.com, but if you really just wanted to get down to work and not worry about fancy coding or design, you could do like the GFW China blog (which I orz, btw) and blog on blogspot and make a category for every noun or verb you can think of, then every post can be cross-referenced n different ways.
Either way, I think you have a hugely useful hobby, alibaba! I just worry that all your effort will go to waste if restricted to comments sections.
Thanks JK.
My computer knowledge is very limited,but I will give it a go.
Thanks again.
I’m glad Kennedy chimed in to lend some support for alibaba. As I already said, I really do think you could create a really useful website (and a name for yourself) by faithfully and objectively collecting/translating the diverse opinions from the Chinese so they are accessible to Western audiences.
For one thing, there are many Westerners who simply have an incomplete impression of the different voices/opinions amongst the Chinese.
For another, even the Westerners who try their best to present a more accurate, fair, and balanced picture of China and the Chinese tend to see only the worst of the Chinese opinions, arguments, and noise.
Of course, the “wu mao dang” and “fenqing” doesn’t help but I think bringing to light the other voices would really help everyone have a better understanding of both the Chinese as people and of the situations that cause so much controversy and conflict.
alibaba, thanks for those, it was wonderful reading that without kingsoft :) more of these comments would go a very long way in building understanding. my greatest disappointment now that I’m leaving china is not to have been able to meet people irl like those posters. it definitely heavily influenced my view of the Chinese. it’s pretty normal not to trust outsiders, but a pity nonetheless. (saw them on the web though, which helps.)
To JK,
Please check on lamp-of-alladin (that is me) Yeeyan.com,a few of my post is there now.
Please free to send advice to me using my e-mail.
I might get an account on twitter soon.
@alibaba
signing up for a blogspot blog takes like 3 minutes at blogger.com, though you might need a gmail address if you don’t already have one. I have a request, could you included the title/topic of the thread or post you’re translating from? And maybe even the exact link, in case anyone wants to check it out for themselves (not just me, I hope).
@aladin
oh, cool, going to check it out right now
@alibaba
and see you on twitter! my first recruit!
To kai,
A picture says a thousand words.
Chinese “words” when put together nicely,like those in a classic Chinese poem,the volumn of information it carries is overwhelming.And is timeless.
That is why I like to translate songs and poems.
[...] Tip to John Kennedy and ZonaEuropa China, Internet, Olympics SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: “BBC Busted for Outdated [...]
To JK,
Alladinlamp is my twitter account.
@ ali baba:
Um, yes, a picture can say a thousand words.
…not sure what your point is though…
Kai,
Chinese “word” is also called pictogram,each word is really a “picture”.When many “picture” are put together,you have a “movie”.
There are good “movie”,and also bad “movie”.
A classic good poem is a good “movie”,and it shall become timeless,and stay in people’s heart for generations and generations.
Talk of a picture being worth a thousand words….
Came across this post on Blogdai. Not offering it as conclusive proof, but I have to say he makes a far more compelling case to say the picture of the Olympic torch on the Everest was probably fake
http://nepalnow.blogspot.com/2008/05/no-summit-for-china.html
why don’t you say that the reporters Olympics committee chairman angry with reporters ??
why don’t you say that Olympics committee chairman angry with reporters ??
BBC is nothing except Bias Broadcasting Centre on the news about China.
Some people may love their “inaccuracy”, “unprofessional” but “self-satisfied” work, however on the other side of world, their reputation was long destroied.
God knows what those journalists doing in China.
Abandon from outside, locked into a sealed room and searching for porn on the website every daies?
Oh, Of course, it is due to Chinese government.
BBC is nothing except Bias Broadcasting Centre on the news about China.
Some people may love their “inaccuracy”, “unprofessional” but “self-satisfied” work, however on the other side of world, their reputation was long destroied.
God knows what those journalists doing in China.
Abandon from outside, locked into a sealed room and searching for porn on the website every day?
Oh Of course, it is due to Chinese government.
certain foreign news media,like bbc, continue to practice put-ons and fabrication. while promoting themselves as being objective and un-biased.
Yes, unfortunately, the Western media does seem to think they’re more objective and unbiased than they actually are. Even so, I still get far better information and far less biased news reporting from them for the vast majority of issues than just about every Chinese alternative.
I do think it is tragic that many Chinese have lost their faith in Western media. On one hand, they cannot trust their own media and on the other hand, they feel obligated to hate Western media in order to prove that they love China. Yeah, that’s a tough situation. I guess it will be better for everyone to just insist on being ignorant, close-minded, and only condemn everything completely in the name of patriotism.
Can someone report link to Hecaitou’s blog post on this subject? Or do I need to start exchanging my money for 5 jiaos at the bank?
Yo Kai,
Sorry I didn’t response to your comment (#10) earlier. I just didn’t have the heart to interrupt the three way petting session you were having with ali baba and John Kennedy.
Just kidding! You know I am just ribbing you, right?
In actuality, I place a lot of value in the stuff you say. And that’s one of the reason I have to again point out that our respectful disagreement in things.
So, once more, I don’t think Anti-CNN have to be embarrassed about anything. I don’t think they had made any pretension that their shit don’t stink.
And by their shit, we know that we meant the iffy things that the Chinese media are guilty of and not Anti-CNN (since the latter does represent the former).
And should the iffyness that happens in the Chinese media prevent people from pointing out the shitty things that happen within BBC? Absolutely no!
The iffyness that people, organizations, governments, or countries do should rightly be exposed and rectified no matter where it rears its head. In that, I don’t see any hypocrisy in Anti-CNN pointing out all of the shitty things that happens not only in BBC but also the any western organization.
At the same time, I don’t see any hypocrisy in, let say, an ordinary American (like myself) saying that there are tons of things are less than desirable with the Chinese Government while the American government are water-boarding people in Gitmo and visiting death upon an untold number of “brown” people.
That is, if the genuine intend is to see all the iffy crap rectified and hopefully for the benefit of the people, organizations, governments, or countries, whose iffyness is being pointed out.
Unless those iffy stuff are pointed out for nothing more than just scoring “points” — to point out that the people, organization, governments, or countries in question are “not good enough” or why they “suck”. In this case, this kind of crap would reek of hypocrisy, and should rightly be told to take care of their own shit before pointing any fingers.
Last time, I checked I really don’t think Anti-CNN are out to score any points again BBC or the western media per se. I think they came right out and said it in their website that they are not again the west or western media, just the in accurate crap.
So, they don’t need to be embarrassed about anything.
@ so_dame_lame:
As I said above, you’re right that anti-CNN does not represent the Chinese media. You’re right, anti-CNN should not shy away from pointing out Western/foreign media mistakes just because Chinese media makes mistakes.
In that, I think it should be increasingly clear that the old hypocrisy argument/defense (that the Chinese are so inclined to use against Western/foreign criticism) is a pretty lousy one for precisely the reason you said: Just because our s#!t stinks doesn’t mean we can’t point out other people’s s#!t.
Just because we makes mistakes, doesn’t mean other people do not need to acknowledge and be humbled by their own. Just because others make mistakes doesn’t mean it is okay for us to do it too. Wrong is wrong.
You and I both know that anti-CNN can be a bastion of extremism, just like there are many extremists in the West as well. I know not everyone on anti-CNN is an idiot, but I can safely assume that a good many of them are. I think those people should be ashamed of their themselves, of their own double-standards, of their own rabid nationalism, of all their own narrow-minded idiocy that leads them to commit all the most disgusting fallacies in some pathetic effort to defend “China.” All they are doing, to me, is embarrassing me.
But yet, I understand how they feel. Nonetheless, that understanding doesn’t change the fact that they could be more intelligent, rational, and mature…you know, going easy with the nationalistic rhetoric and qualifying their superlative statements.
You said: “That is, if the genuine intend is to see all the iffy crap rectified and hopefully for the benefit of the people, organizations, governments, or countries, whose iffyness is being pointed out.”
I may disagree with you on this point with regards to anti-CNN because I do think a lot of people on there are not really about rectifying mistakes as they are about squelching any voice that appears to be critical of China or the Chinese government because, too often by extension, they equate any criticism of China as a personal affront.
For many, anti-CNN is guerrilla warfare, an attempt to “expose” those “liars” of Western media organizations, to prevent the domestic audience from being “misled” by the information they get from Western reporting, and yes, indeed to score points against the very people or organizations they feel have wrongly criticized China in the past.
Again, not EVERYONE on anti-CNN is this way, but a good many of them are, gnashing their teeth whenever the Western media does something they interpret as wrong and rejoicing whenever they can lambast it with a mob of fellow like-minded Chinese. It is fun. It is an excuse to leave your mind at the door in the interest of national solidarity.
I’ve read anti-CNN and I know they occasionally attempt to make emphatic appeals such as “We just want the truth!” Yeah…that sounds good, but does characterizing CNN as “the world’s leader of liars” or the BBC as “British Brain-washing Channel Lies Again!” really sound like “the truth?”
When our own CCTV and Xinhua or ChinaDaily are rife with propaganda and even feature blatantly photoshopped pictures (not just subjectively cropped pictures or relevant stock photography), how can anti-CNN call CNN “the world’s leader of liars?” How can anti-CNN (or anti-BBC) accuse the BBC of brainwashing?
The thing is, anti-CNN and anti-BBC, etc. are single-issue conflicts. Most of the people on their (read the forums) are not really there to hold CNN accountable to better reporting, they just want to criticize CNN for any reporting they consider inaccurate/wrong/unfair towards China ONLY. The truth is that CNN makes many mistakes, like any news organization run by falliable men. Does anti-CNN devote its energies to exposing every journalistic mistake? No, they just hop on anything relating to China.
Anti-CNN is not some noble, selfless effort to improve the state of Western journalism and media, it is just an immature, whining, childish effort to rally the masses to wholesale damn any perceived enemy they see.
I want to ask: Do any of us ever wonder if we Chinese put more effort into “correcting” anti-CNN than we do trying to improve our own media?
Yo Kai,
I just realize that your last name is Pan. Kai pan is an interesting name. It reminds me of a chinese dish that my mom’s friend orders all of the time. I think is called “Mu Gu Gai Pan”. I don’t know if it is a real chinese dish or something like chop suey, which sounds chinese but really is not.
Although I like ribbing people, but I won’t stood to the level of calling you “Gai Pan” or comparing you to chop suey. I have too much respect for you to do that.
Anyhow, I am sure that you are right about the fact that some people in Anti-CNN, particular a lot of people that comment in the forums, are just out to “even up” the score. But to paint everybody with the same brush is a bit fallacious.
I know on one hand you claimed that you know “not everyone on Anti-CNN is an idiot…” and also “Again, not EVERYONE on Anti-CNN is this way…” and then process to go about Anti-CNN this and Anti-CNN that. If you take the effort to not to make blanketing statements, then don’t.
If people do things that embarrass you, then single out those people for criticism — especially the people who are out to even up the score. But shit, to call Anti-CNN and bastion of extremism and then regurgitate the bullshit about cyber guerrilla warfare is SO DAMN LAME (for lack of better words) or, even worse, sliding towards intellectual laziness.
If only people just take a little bit of time and effort to think or even ask about where the people from the other side of the divide are coming from, they will find out that most Chinese people that goes to Anti-CNN or occasionally comes here are just freaking like me — People that normally don’t give a flying fuck about politics or anything that goes beyond making a quiet living and bitching about our boss.
I guess what pisses most of us off the most, and me especially, is not the fucking incessant Chinky bashing that came into so much fashion of late, but rather, it is the complete and utter lack of any opposing point of view in the media. I can tolerate all of the Chinky bashing crap, even the veiled and outright racist crap, as long as there is a contrary voice — a voice that speaks out for me.
God damn, everywhere you look, it looked liked that anything piece journalistic crap written that has any remote link to China must pay the obligatory homage to shit like Dufur, Falun gone, Xinjiang, Tibet, and any crap that they can scrap up. Oh, did I forget the human rights thing.
What’s even worse, you got people behaving like freaking chop suey — people who look and sound chinese, but… ahh, you get the point. (hey kai, make no mistake. This is not an invective aimed towards you).
Oh yeah, when we do begin to speaking for ourselves and find our voice, guess what kind of crap do we get from the stupid and intellectually lazy — guerrilla warfare, 50 cents, and you name it. What’s even worse, they are quiet shocked and indignant when those god damn chinky bastards are not taking it up the ass quietly anymore.
I am not saying that Anti-CNN is the voice for us, but certainly it is among one of a growing number of voices that are coming out. Had they over reacted a bit in certain situations?
Maybe just a tad. ;p This is the irony of the whole the politicizing the Olympics by the rights activists and what not. Sure, their attention grabbing stunts are getting a lot of media fan fare and in the process whipping up a whole frenzy of Chinky bashing. But dude, it is these very same tactics that are turning away an unprecedented number of Chinese, who in any ordinary circumstances are perfectly willing to engaging in thoughtful and constructive discussions on all sort of things.
And dude, how would you expect “we” chinese to put into more effort into “correcting” the iffy crap not only in our media but in other places when we are busy fending of all of the China bashing crap that crawls out of the wood work?
hey kai, for someone straddling both worlds, I thought that you would understand more of the psychology behind things and talk to both sides. Quite often, talking rather than shouting (attention gabbing stunts also) is much more effective in bring people toward a workable solution.
And maybe Anti-CNN should take heed also. But should they be ashame, embarrassed, or apologize? No! Maybe just tone things down a bit.
But hey, who am I anyway? I am just some lame schmo who got lost on his way to buy soy sauce. And maybe in process found a friend?
@ Kai,
I written you something, but may it was too long or something or maybe the spam filter got it.
@John Kennedy
Could you look into the where abouts of my last response to Kai.
@so_damn_lame
Sorry about that, you should see it now. Please don’t make fun of anybody’s names again.
@ so_damn_lame:
I had written a very long, well-written response to you and then I somehow reloaded the page and lost it all. I’m extremely aggravated right now but I’ll try to just summarize what I had written.
1. I think you’ve misunderstood my views on anti-CNN. I do not think they are wu mao dang (though I’m certain some frolic there) and I recognize they’re a voice of some Chinese people. I take issue with them because they embarrass me and the Chinese people who know better with their often immature rhetoric.
2. Wu mao dang does exist and the Chinese government does not really hide it. Propaganda and shaping the public’s opinion is a bona-fide initiative and concern of the Chinese government. Acknowledging this does not dismiss independent popular discontent amongst the Chinese against the West, Western personalities, journalism, or media.
3. There is ignorance, immaturity, and idiocy on both sides. For someone like me who surrounds himself with channels of information and opinion that tends to be moderate, balanced, and fair with regards to both China and the West, I actually don’t feel like there is a dearth of voices for China. At the same time, that is just unique to my situation in China. I fully acknowledge that the media environment and general population of the West is appreciably biased due to socialized long-standing preconceptions of China. At the same time, I’m forced to remember that that is also the case for the vast majority of the Chinese with regards to their views of the West. However, I still think moderating information is far easier to access in the West than in China.
4. If I understood your comments correctly, I fully understand your frustrations with foreign-born, possibly Western-washed Chinese who seem embarrassed by their own heritage and so casually buy into Western biases. I also fully agree that many activists tend to do attention-whoring stunts that are not constructively contributing to a solution for the very situation they are demonstrating (or terrorizing) agai