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	<title>Comments on: China: All shook up by the torch relay</title>
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		<title>By: MuLan</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/30/china-all-shook-up-by-the-torch-relay/comment-page-3/#comment-1503893</link>
		<dc:creator>MuLan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correct a typo

should be &quot;.. .with OUT bus explosions . ..</description>
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<p>should be &#8220;.. .with OUT bus explosions . ..</p>
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		<title>By: MuLan</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/30/china-all-shook-up-by-the-torch-relay/comment-page-3/#comment-1503891</link>
		<dc:creator>MuLan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine a free Tibet
Enjoying democracy
Imagine the whole nation
Living happily daily

Then immediately after liberation,
USA will march in and demand payment of BIG debts owed by Dalai for the luxury financial support he got while protesting China overseas.  Then USA demands drilling of oil, setting up navy/army defense bases for USA benefits.


Imagine the religious
Worshiping as they wish 
Imagine all the people
Practicing their own culture
This freedom will soon be exterminated when USA sends in Christian priest and nuns to preach the religion of Christ.  Tibetan Chinese will be christians in a few years time.

What a world it would be
Finding freedom’s key
One world come true
One dream come true
Oh yeah, just like the dream of Native North and South American Indians&#039; dreams have been squashed by Europeans.


You may think I’m a schemer
But I’m only a dreamer
I may not reach heaven
But I sure don’t want hell
As soon as you leave China, Hell will be where you are going. . . 

Imagine a democratic China
Respecting human rights
Imagine Chinese people
Celebrating free speech
Yeah, I can imagine all ethnicities get along in ONE CHINA with bus explosions and insults toward each other.


Imagine China and Tibet
Living neighborly in harmony
Imagine if we can say
We are brothers and sisters
 
But if you leave China, it&#039;s like you are saying goodbye and cutting the tie to the siblingship forever.  You are abandoning your family.

What a world it would be
What a future to see
One world come true
One dream come true
when you insist to leave China, you will see One HELL come true, and One NIGHTMARE come true


You may think I know it all
But I’m only a poet on call
I right the wrongs that people do
And write the rights we pursue 
Better make good judgements, or you will regret for generations to come

Imagine there’s no fighting
Nothing to kill for
Imagine there’s no wanting
Nothing to die for
There will be Bloodshed when USA tries to turn you into  Christians and Iraqis

Imagine a world in which
We forget our schemes
Imagine a world in which
We share our dreams
The world except China wants to keep you people in the dark by believing only in religion and nothing else. 


You can then say
The world is truly one
One world come true
One dream come true
When Tibetan start to appreciate the progress CHina has brought for you, then One world/One dream will be reality

Copyright: Tsoltim N. Shakabpa - 2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine a free Tibet<br />
Enjoying democracy<br />
Imagine the whole nation<br />
Living happily daily</p>
<p>Then immediately after liberation,<br />
USA will march in and demand payment of BIG debts owed by Dalai for the luxury financial support he got while protesting China overseas.  Then USA demands drilling of oil, setting up navy/army defense bases for USA benefits.</p>
<p>Imagine the religious<br />
Worshiping as they wish<br />
Imagine all the people<br />
Practicing their own culture<br />
This freedom will soon be exterminated when USA sends in Christian priest and nuns to preach the religion of Christ.  Tibetan Chinese will be christians in a few years time.</p>
<p>What a world it would be<br />
Finding freedom’s key<br />
One world come true<br />
One dream come true<br />
Oh yeah, just like the dream of Native North and South American Indians&#8217; dreams have been squashed by Europeans.</p>
<p>You may think I’m a schemer<br />
But I’m only a dreamer<br />
I may not reach heaven<br />
But I sure don’t want hell<br />
As soon as you leave China, Hell will be where you are going. . . </p>
<p>Imagine a democratic China<br />
Respecting human rights<br />
Imagine Chinese people<br />
Celebrating free speech<br />
Yeah, I can imagine all ethnicities get along in ONE CHINA with bus explosions and insults toward each other.</p>
<p>Imagine China and Tibet<br />
Living neighborly in harmony<br />
Imagine if we can say<br />
We are brothers and sisters</p>
<p>But if you leave China, it&#8217;s like you are saying goodbye and cutting the tie to the siblingship forever.  You are abandoning your family.</p>
<p>What a world it would be<br />
What a future to see<br />
One world come true<br />
One dream come true<br />
when you insist to leave China, you will see One HELL come true, and One NIGHTMARE come true</p>
<p>You may think I know it all<br />
But I’m only a poet on call<br />
I right the wrongs that people do<br />
And write the rights we pursue<br />
Better make good judgements, or you will regret for generations to come</p>
<p>Imagine there’s no fighting<br />
Nothing to kill for<br />
Imagine there’s no wanting<br />
Nothing to die for<br />
There will be Bloodshed when USA tries to turn you into  Christians and Iraqis</p>
<p>Imagine a world in which<br />
We forget our schemes<br />
Imagine a world in which<br />
We share our dreams<br />
The world except China wants to keep you people in the dark by believing only in religion and nothing else. </p>
<p>You can then say<br />
The world is truly one<br />
One world come true<br />
One dream come true<br />
When Tibetan start to appreciate the progress CHina has brought for you, then One world/One dream will be reality</p>
<p>Copyright: Tsoltim N. Shakabpa &#8211; 2008</p>
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		<title>By: Tsongi</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/30/china-all-shook-up-by-the-torch-relay/comment-page-3/#comment-1503769</link>
		<dc:creator>Tsongi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China is truly The People&#039;s Republic of Terrorism
God said so
Men realize it
And the devil admits it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China is truly The People&#8217;s Republic of Terrorism<br />
God said so<br />
Men realize it<br />
And the devil admits it</p>
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		<title>By: Tsongi</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/30/china-all-shook-up-by-the-torch-relay/comment-page-3/#comment-1503768</link>
		<dc:creator>Tsongi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMAGINE
By Tsoltim N. Shakabpa

Imagine a free Tibet
Enjoying democracy
Imagine the whole nation 
Living happily daily

Imagine the religious
Worshiping as they wish
Imagine all the people
Practicing their own culture

What a world it would be
Finding freedom&#039;s key
One world come true
One dream come true

You may think I&#039;m a schemer
But I&#039;m only a dreamer
I may not reach heaven
But I sure don&#039;t want hell

Imagine a democratic China
Respecting human rights
Imagine Chinese people
Celebrating free speech

Imagine China and Tibet
Living neighborly in harmony
Imagine if we can say
We are brothers and sisters

What a world it would be
What a future to see
One world come true
One dream come true

You may think I know it all
But I&#039;m only a poet on call
I right the wrongs that people do
And write the rights we pursue  

Imagine there&#039;s no fighting
Nothing to kill for
Imagine there&#039;s no wanting
Nothing to die for

Imagine a world in which
We forget our schemes
Imagine a world in which
We share our dreams

You can then say
The world is truly one
One world come true
One dream come true


Copyright: Tsoltim N. Shakabpa - 2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMAGINE<br />
By Tsoltim N. Shakabpa</p>
<p>Imagine a free Tibet<br />
Enjoying democracy<br />
Imagine the whole nation<br />
Living happily daily</p>
<p>Imagine the religious<br />
Worshiping as they wish<br />
Imagine all the people<br />
Practicing their own culture</p>
<p>What a world it would be<br />
Finding freedom&#8217;s key<br />
One world come true<br />
One dream come true</p>
<p>You may think I&#8217;m a schemer<br />
But I&#8217;m only a dreamer<br />
I may not reach heaven<br />
But I sure don&#8217;t want hell</p>
<p>Imagine a democratic China<br />
Respecting human rights<br />
Imagine Chinese people<br />
Celebrating free speech</p>
<p>Imagine China and Tibet<br />
Living neighborly in harmony<br />
Imagine if we can say<br />
We are brothers and sisters</p>
<p>What a world it would be<br />
What a future to see<br />
One world come true<br />
One dream come true</p>
<p>You may think I know it all<br />
But I&#8217;m only a poet on call<br />
I right the wrongs that people do<br />
And write the rights we pursue  </p>
<p>Imagine there&#8217;s no fighting<br />
Nothing to kill for<br />
Imagine there&#8217;s no wanting<br />
Nothing to die for</p>
<p>Imagine a world in which<br />
We forget our schemes<br />
Imagine a world in which<br />
We share our dreams</p>
<p>You can then say<br />
The world is truly one<br />
One world come true<br />
One dream come true</p>
<p>Copyright: Tsoltim N. Shakabpa &#8211; 2008</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course, most people shall temporary stop paying attention to it. But now, everybody are paying attention  because it&#039;s in the final, climax destination.
They may be making jokes about it. But not anymore, with terrorist attacks and protestors, the sense of pride and appreciation towards the police, security staff snd voluteers are seriously observed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course, most people shall temporary stop paying attention to it. But now, everybody are paying attention  because it&#8217;s in the final, climax destination.<br />
They may be making jokes about it. But not anymore, with terrorist attacks and protestors, the sense of pride and appreciation towards the police, security staff snd voluteers are seriously observed.</p>
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		<title>By: so_dame_lame</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/30/china-all-shook-up-by-the-torch-relay/comment-page-3/#comment-1496363</link>
		<dc:creator>so_dame_lame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ali baba

I am more than happy to answer your questions if they were real questions. 

The &quot;question&quot; that you asked me is a rhetorical question anyway. It is kind of stupid to ask me for a direct response when you know damn well what the implied answer  you were trying for.    

If you are really obliging me to give you a direct answer, then I have to say frankly that I really don&#039;t know what you are. Nor do I know what you motives are.

But from the comments that you have posted, you appeared to be a Falun Goner in almost all aspect. 

Then again, I could be wrong. That&#039;s the main reason I asked that if you are not a Falun goner, then what&#039;s you main reason for bitching and moaning. It is better to hear it from the horse&#039;s mouth rather than keep guessing myself. 

So, ali baba, if you are not a Falun Goner, what is you reason for bitching and moaning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ali baba</p>
<p>I am more than happy to answer your questions if they were real questions. </p>
<p>The &#8220;question&#8221; that you asked me is a rhetorical question anyway. It is kind of stupid to ask me for a direct response when you know damn well what the implied answer  you were trying for.    </p>
<p>If you are really obliging me to give you a direct answer, then I have to say frankly that I really don&#8217;t know what you are. Nor do I know what you motives are.</p>
<p>But from the comments that you have posted, you appeared to be a Falun Goner in almost all aspect. </p>
<p>Then again, I could be wrong. That&#8217;s the main reason I asked that if you are not a Falun goner, then what&#8217;s you main reason for bitching and moaning. It is better to hear it from the horse&#8217;s mouth rather than keep guessing myself. </p>
<p>So, ali baba, if you are not a Falun Goner, what is you reason for bitching and moaning?</p>
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		<title>By: subjectivelistener</title>
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		<dc:creator>subjectivelistener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, do you agree with Karze&#039;s PRT claim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, do you agree with Karze&#8217;s PRT claim?</p>
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		<title>By: ali baba</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/30/china-all-shook-up-by-the-torch-relay/comment-page-2/#comment-1495180</link>
		<dc:creator>ali baba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To so_damn_lame

Please answer my question,as I have answer yous,

I read and translate posts from Strong Nation Forum at http://www.people.com.cn,nearly everyday,does it make me a CCP too ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To so_damn_lame</p>
<p>Please answer my question,as I have answer yous,</p>
<p>I read and translate posts from Strong Nation Forum at <a href="http://www.people.com.cn,nearly" rel="nofollow">http://www.people.com.cn,nearly</a> everyday,does it make me a CCP too ?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/30/china-all-shook-up-by-the-torch-relay/comment-page-2/#comment-1495175</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 08:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s over 20 minutes of scratchy audio (what&#039;s left).  I&#039;m pretty sure you don&#039;t want to bother.  But if I run out of options for help, I might just take you up on that.

We went to see the torch today in Tianjin, but they wouldn&#039;t let us get close.

http://chinahopelive.net/2008/08/01/the-sacred-flame-comes-to-tianjin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s over 20 minutes of scratchy audio (what&#8217;s left).  I&#8217;m pretty sure you don&#8217;t want to bother.  But if I run out of options for help, I might just take you up on that.</p>
<p>We went to see the torch today in Tianjin, but they wouldn&#8217;t let us get close.</p>
<p><a href="http://chinahopelive.net/2008/08/01/the-sacred-flame-comes-to-tianjin" rel="nofollow">http://chinahopelive.net/2008/08/01/the-sacred-flame-comes-to-tianjin</a></p>
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		<title>By: Howard</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/30/china-all-shook-up-by-the-torch-relay/comment-page-2/#comment-1495161</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 06:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Karze: 

   Welcome to the people&#039;s republic of &quot;terrorism&quot;!

   I live in a city in Southern China, and there are about 60,000 foreigners living and working in this city, some are working for multi-national companys, and the other are working in Chinese companys.

   I don&#039;t feel any terrorism in China, but as my colleagues&#039; saying, in Iraq, Afghanstan. And i believe people all felt terrorism in New York on 9/11,2001.

   People in China are busy doing business with different countries, to make their lives better. But there is one country in this world which are fighting terrorism through invading other countries for decades... Who is the united states of terrorism? hehe...

   Better staying in China, it&#039;s safer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Karze: </p>
<p>   Welcome to the people&#8217;s republic of &#8220;terrorism&#8221;!</p>
<p>   I live in a city in Southern China, and there are about 60,000 foreigners living and working in this city, some are working for multi-national companys, and the other are working in Chinese companys.</p>
<p>   I don&#8217;t feel any terrorism in China, but as my colleagues&#8217; saying, in Iraq, Afghanstan. And i believe people all felt terrorism in New York on 9/11,2001.</p>
<p>   People in China are busy doing business with different countries, to make their lives better. But there is one country in this world which are fighting terrorism through invading other countries for decades&#8230; Who is the united states of terrorism? hehe&#8230;</p>
<p>   Better staying in China, it&#8217;s safer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Spelunker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spelunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Joel:
I applaud your efforts to put local peasants on your video.  My favorite was the bike repair man.
Of course I also appreciated the &quot;Sexy Beijing&quot; series of interviews conducted by 苏菲, especially when she went around the capital on March 8 asking women on the street about the meaning of &quot;san-ba&quot;.

I will be happy to help you transcribe the naughty stuff from that one lady in Tianjin.  You simply post it on Fool&#039;s Mountain and I&#039;ll give you an honest and accurate translation.
The teachers at your school don&#039;t like the Olympics video because you didn&#039;t interview the local communist party secretary&#039;s wife, the director of Tianjin municipal foreign affairs office, the head librarian from Nankai University, and perhaps a random violinist from the Tianjin Conservatory of Music.  
Cheers,
Spelunker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Joel:<br />
I applaud your efforts to put local peasants on your video.  My favorite was the bike repair man.<br />
Of course I also appreciated the &#8220;Sexy Beijing&#8221; series of interviews conducted by 苏菲, especially when she went around the capital on March 8 asking women on the street about the meaning of &#8220;san-ba&#8221;.</p>
<p>I will be happy to help you transcribe the naughty stuff from that one lady in Tianjin.  You simply post it on Fool&#8217;s Mountain and I&#8217;ll give you an honest and accurate translation.<br />
The teachers at your school don&#8217;t like the Olympics video because you didn&#8217;t interview the local communist party secretary&#8217;s wife, the director of Tianjin municipal foreign affairs office, the head librarian from Nankai University, and perhaps a random violinist from the Tianjin Conservatory of Music.<br />
Cheers,<br />
Spelunker</p>
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		<title>By: so_damn_lame</title>
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		<dc:creator>so_damn_lame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ali baba

I apologize if you not a Falun Goner. 

But you sure of heck act and talk like one.

For the Falun Goners, they bitch and moan, and quite often fabricate stuff completely out of thin air to legitimize their own warped and twisted cause. 

So, if you are not a Falun Goner, what is you reason for bitch and moaning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ali baba</p>
<p>I apologize if you not a Falun Goner. </p>
<p>But you sure of heck act and talk like one.</p>
<p>For the Falun Goners, they bitch and moan, and quite often fabricate stuff completely out of thin air to legitimize their own warped and twisted cause. </p>
<p>So, if you are not a Falun Goner, what is you reason for bitch and moaning?</p>
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		<title>By: ali baba</title>
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		<dc:creator>ali baba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote:&quot;That is, unless you are a Falun Goner like CarryAnne and our buddy ali baba up there.&quot;Unquoted 




To: so_damn_lame (1) I am no Falun Gon.I agree with a lot of their arguments,but not all of them.
                            (2) I read and translate posts from Strong Nation Forum at www.people.com.cn,nearly everyday,does it make me a CCP too ?
                            (3) I strongly believe that only  仁義 道德   can help CHINA. Also   走向共和

Following are a few of the  posts from www.people.com.cn


  	  张艺谋的《满城尽带谎金甲》，已经表现出非常变态、畸形的审美取向，中国居然还让他当奥运的艺术总导！      (  笔铭非   08-08-01 12:05:34 ) 0字 ( 0/126/8 )

Zhang yi-mou&#039;s &quot;A city full of gold armour&quot;  had made it very clear that his views and ideals on beauty and art are twisted and deformed,why China still hire him to be the chief artistic director is beyond me! 	 
# 	一群戏子 把好好的中国男人搞垮了     (  玉米爱大米  08-08-01 12:56:19 ) 97字 ( 0/6/0 )

A bunch of clowns,completely destroy China&#039;s manhood.
	 
# 	二十一世紀中國最缺乏的就是人材。挖空心思在拼湊形式， 形式不足用色綵彌補。 哪有功伕攷慮內涵。更何況与中華傳統斷絕多年     (  何布同  08-08-01 12:13:36 ) 0字 ( 0/6/0 )

On this 21 century,China is extremely short of talents. Using up all the wits, just to stack up various shapes and forms;when shapes and forms have run out,simply use colors to patch up.Moral and culture is out of his realm.For too many years,he had cut himself out of Chung Hua tradition.

	 
# 	除了变态，他还懂得如何取悦洋人。     (  油盐不进的四季豆  08-08-01 12:10:49 ) 0字 ( 0/7/0 )

Beside twisted mind,at least he still knows how to kiss foreginer&#039;s ass.
	 
# 	这届奥运，也许是我最厌恶的一届。这象个在崛起的大国吗？没有一点举重若轻的感觉     (  笔铭非  08-08-01 12:07:54 ) 0字 ( 0/21/1 )

This olympic really disgusts me.Probably the most disgusted.Does it look anything like being the rise of a great nation?Not a single bit of easy going feeling.
	 
# 	为了些洋人来狂欢，弄得举国不安     (  笔铭非  08-08-01 12:08:34 ) 0字 ( 0/5/1 )
Just because of some foreginers come over here to have a wild party,now the whole nation is disrupted and uneasy.
 
# 	就算出点小乱子，又怕啥？汶川大地震，山摇地动，咱们都没怕     (  笔铭非  08-08-01 12:09:54 ) 0字 ( 0/4/1 )
What is that the government really afraid of? A bit of hiccup here and there? What about Wen Chuen Big earth quake,no one showed any fear back then.

	 

	 
# 	都是同样变态,所以,选对人了     (  阿耨多罗三居士  08-08-01 12:07:17 ) 0字 ( 0/8/0 ) 

They are all of the same twisted mind,that&#039;s why,the correct one was picked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote:&#8221;That is, unless you are a Falun Goner like CarryAnne and our buddy ali baba up there.&#8221;Unquoted </p>
<p>To: so_damn_lame (1) I am no Falun Gon.I agree with a lot of their arguments,but not all of them.<br />
                            (2) I read and translate posts from Strong Nation Forum at <a href="http://www.people.com.cn,nearly" rel="nofollow">http://www.people.com.cn,nearly</a> everyday,does it make me a CCP too ?<br />
                            (3) I strongly believe that only  仁義 道德   can help CHINA. Also   走向共和</p>
<p>Following are a few of the  posts from <a href="http://www.people.com.cn" rel="nofollow">http://www.people.com.cn</a></p>
<p>  	  张艺谋的《满城尽带谎金甲》，已经表现出非常变态、畸形的审美取向，中国居然还让他当奥运的艺术总导！      (  笔铭非   08-08-01 12:05:34 ) 0字 ( 0/126/8 )</p>
<p>Zhang yi-mou&#8217;s &#8220;A city full of gold armour&#8221;  had made it very clear that his views and ideals on beauty and art are twisted and deformed,why China still hire him to be the chief artistic director is beyond me!<br />
# 	一群戏子 把好好的中国男人搞垮了     (  玉米爱大米  08-08-01 12:56:19 ) 97字 ( 0/6/0 )</p>
<p>A bunch of clowns,completely destroy China&#8217;s manhood.</p>
<p># 	二十一世紀中國最缺乏的就是人材。挖空心思在拼湊形式， 形式不足用色綵彌補。 哪有功伕攷慮內涵。更何況与中華傳統斷絕多年     (  何布同  08-08-01 12:13:36 ) 0字 ( 0/6/0 )</p>
<p>On this 21 century,China is extremely short of talents. Using up all the wits, just to stack up various shapes and forms;when shapes and forms have run out,simply use colors to patch up.Moral and culture is out of his realm.For too many years,he had cut himself out of Chung Hua tradition.</p>
<p># 	除了变态，他还懂得如何取悦洋人。     (  油盐不进的四季豆  08-08-01 12:10:49 ) 0字 ( 0/7/0 )</p>
<p>Beside twisted mind,at least he still knows how to kiss foreginer&#8217;s ass.</p>
<p># 	这届奥运，也许是我最厌恶的一届。这象个在崛起的大国吗？没有一点举重若轻的感觉     (  笔铭非  08-08-01 12:07:54 ) 0字 ( 0/21/1 )</p>
<p>This olympic really disgusts me.Probably the most disgusted.Does it look anything like being the rise of a great nation?Not a single bit of easy going feeling.</p>
<p># 	为了些洋人来狂欢，弄得举国不安     (  笔铭非  08-08-01 12:08:34 ) 0字 ( 0/5/1 )<br />
Just because of some foreginers come over here to have a wild party,now the whole nation is disrupted and uneasy.</p>
<p># 	就算出点小乱子，又怕啥？汶川大地震，山摇地动，咱们都没怕     (  笔铭非  08-08-01 12:09:54 ) 0字 ( 0/4/1 )<br />
What is that the government really afraid of? A bit of hiccup here and there? What about Wen Chuen Big earth quake,no one showed any fear back then.</p>
<p># 	都是同样变态,所以,选对人了     (  阿耨多罗三居士  08-08-01 12:07:17 ) 0字 ( 0/8/0 ) </p>
<p>They are all of the same twisted mind,that&#8217;s why,the correct one was picked.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/30/china-all-shook-up-by-the-torch-relay/comment-page-2/#comment-1494682</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Spelunker &amp; John
Of course a lot of the answers are &quot;what they believe should be said to foreigners.&quot;  That&#039;s a huge part of what the Olympics means to them: making a certain impression on foreigners.  Given that, I don&#039;t think we have to assume a substantial discrepancy between &quot;what they really think&quot; and &quot;what they believe should be said to foreigners.&quot;

That said, I actually agree with your general point.  A language student asking his local acquaintances cheesy questions for a happy Olympics video isn&#039;t necessarily going to break much ground beyond what&#039;s already printed in the People&#039;s Daily.  But I wasn&#039;t out to dig up dirt; I was giving our neighbours a chance to say what they wanted to the foreign community in Tianjin (that video goes with the cover story for August&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jinmagazine.com.cn/magazine/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JIN expat magazine&lt;/a&gt;).  

And just for the record:
- A lot of people I talked to off camera had negative things to say.  One lady&#039;s stuff was so negative and sensitive that I&#039;ve actually had trouble getting anyone to help me transcribe it.  Overall, comments about the Olympics were positive, but it&#039;s not hard at all to find people willing to complain about it.
- The teachers at our school don&#039;t like the video.  They said I should have interviewed &quot;people with more culture,&quot; which I took to mean &quot;people that make China look better to foreigners.&quot;  They had the opposite problem with it from Spelunker.  For them, the video wasn&#039;t puffy enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Spelunker &amp; John<br />
Of course a lot of the answers are &#8220;what they believe should be said to foreigners.&#8221;  That&#8217;s a huge part of what the Olympics means to them: making a certain impression on foreigners.  Given that, I don&#8217;t think we have to assume a substantial discrepancy between &#8220;what they really think&#8221; and &#8220;what they believe should be said to foreigners.&#8221;</p>
<p>That said, I actually agree with your general point.  A language student asking his local acquaintances cheesy questions for a happy Olympics video isn&#8217;t necessarily going to break much ground beyond what&#8217;s already printed in the People&#8217;s Daily.  But I wasn&#8217;t out to dig up dirt; I was giving our neighbours a chance to say what they wanted to the foreign community in Tianjin (that video goes with the cover story for August&#8217;s <a href="http://www.jinmagazine.com.cn/magazine/" rel="nofollow">JIN expat magazine</a>).  </p>
<p>And just for the record:<br />
- A lot of people I talked to off camera had negative things to say.  One lady&#8217;s stuff was so negative and sensitive that I&#8217;ve actually had trouble getting anyone to help me transcribe it.  Overall, comments about the Olympics were positive, but it&#8217;s not hard at all to find people willing to complain about it.<br />
- The teachers at our school don&#8217;t like the video.  They said I should have interviewed &#8220;people with more culture,&#8221; which I took to mean &#8220;people that make China look better to foreigners.&#8221;  They had the opposite problem with it from Spelunker.  For them, the video wasn&#8217;t puffy enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Spelunker</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/30/china-all-shook-up-by-the-torch-relay/comment-page-2/#comment-1494517</link>
		<dc:creator>Spelunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a problem with Joel, but I&#039;m simply not as interested in a 老外 interviewing 老百姓 with questions like 奥运会对中国人有什么意义？(“What do the Olympics means to Chinese people?”) 
Chinese responses to a serious foreigner&#039;s questions are generally not as candid as those in reply to Chinese reporters.  They are usually only trying to say what they believe should be said to foreigners.  That&#039;s why I think Guan Jun&#039;s article is a more valuable contribution to GVO and may be one reason that Joel&#039;s video was placed among the &quot;recent links&quot; instead.
If I was conducting Chinese interviews in Tianjin or Shenyang then I would ask more specific questions about topics I find amusing such as the rules forbidding &quot;Go China&quot; banners at Olympic arenas (Will it be strictly enforced at Shenyang&#039;s soccer stadium as well?) and of course the 八个不要问 &quot;eight questions not to ask foreigners&quot; campaign currently underway in Beijing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with Joel, but I&#8217;m simply not as interested in a 老外 interviewing 老百姓 with questions like 奥运会对中国人有什么意义？(“What do the Olympics means to Chinese people?”)<br />
Chinese responses to a serious foreigner&#8217;s questions are generally not as candid as those in reply to Chinese reporters.  They are usually only trying to say what they believe should be said to foreigners.  That&#8217;s why I think Guan Jun&#8217;s article is a more valuable contribution to GVO and may be one reason that Joel&#8217;s video was placed among the &#8220;recent links&#8221; instead.<br />
If I was conducting Chinese interviews in Tianjin or Shenyang then I would ask more specific questions about topics I find amusing such as the rules forbidding &#8220;Go China&#8221; banners at Olympic arenas (Will it be strictly enforced at Shenyang&#8217;s soccer stadium as well?) and of course the 八个不要问 &#8220;eight questions not to ask foreigners&#8221; campaign currently underway in Beijing.</p>
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