Comments on: Afghanistan: Violence in the Hazarajat, Protests in Kabul http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/28/afghanistan-violence-in-the-hazarajat-protests-in-kabul/ The world is talking. Are you listening? Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:19:23 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Global Voices in Italiano » Etnie, identità e conflitti: i commenti a due articoli di GVO sul Medio Oriente http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/28/afghanistan-violence-in-the-hazarajat-protests-in-kabul/comment-page-2/#comment-1497595 Global Voices in Italiano » Etnie, identità e conflitti: i commenti a due articoli di GVO sul Medio Oriente Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:01:38 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=47179#comment-1497595 [...] dare il via ai commenti, Shaman inizia con un paragone: Afgani e pakistani dicono che gli Hazara mongoli sono stranieri. Se è [...] [...] dare il via ai commenti, Shaman inizia con un paragone: Afgani e pakistani dicono che gli Hazara mongoli sono stranieri. Se è [...]

]]> By: Shaman http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/28/afghanistan-violence-in-the-hazarajat-protests-in-kabul/comment-page-2/#comment-1496239 Shaman Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:09:20 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=47179#comment-1496239 Dear brother Tolgha. Greetings. Thanks for your comment. It was full of knowledge. The only thing I liked about Mongol empire is that it was symbol of discipline and it never touched peoples beliefs. Great Khan was wise enough to listen to others and accept the truth. I wish he was here today. Best Regards Tolga. Powerful Shaman Dear brother Tolgha. Greetings. Thanks for your comment. It was full of knowledge. The only thing I liked about Mongol empire is that it was symbol of discipline and it never touched peoples beliefs. Great Khan was wise enough to listen to others and accept the truth. I wish he was here today.
Best Regards Tolga.
Powerful Shaman

]]> By: Tolgha http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/28/afghanistan-violence-in-the-hazarajat-protests-in-kabul/comment-page-1/#comment-1495615 Tolgha Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:27:59 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=47179#comment-1495615 ZALMAI let me define one more thing to you .Have you ever noticed that how politically incorrect you name ZALMAI is ,driven from ZALM which means CRUEL. How biased and naive are you in terms of the comparison of Hazaras with the illegal Mexican immigrants in US.You strictly need to go through the history pages again that where the Hazaras came from .As a matter of fact we are the people who build the largest land empire on the face of the earth and what motives we carried behind those wars were to defeat feudalism ,Aristocratism,Anarchisms,and that zeal resulted the Mongols to conquer the Central Asia and other parts of the world and what our ancestors conquered in 25 years ,the Romans took 400 years.Here I admit the fact that the past 200 years we Hazaras suffered alot and lost almost 65% of our people by those gruesome acts of genocide inflicted to us by Pashtons .But guess what today things are changed ,and our current generation has more educated people and intellectual heads percentage wise compared to others in our surroundings .which already give you people the indication of defeat with the new era's requisites . Regards. ZALMAI let me define one more thing to you .Have you ever noticed that how politically incorrect you name ZALMAI is ,driven from ZALM which means CRUEL.
How biased and naive are you in terms of the comparison of Hazaras with the illegal Mexican immigrants in US.You strictly need to go through the history pages again that where the Hazaras came from .As a matter of fact we are the people who build the largest land empire on the face of the earth and what motives we carried behind those wars were to defeat feudalism ,Aristocratism,Anarchisms,and that zeal resulted the Mongols to conquer the Central Asia and other parts of the world and what our ancestors conquered in 25 years ,the Romans took 400 years.Here I admit the fact that the past 200 years we Hazaras suffered alot and lost almost 65% of our people by those gruesome acts of genocide inflicted to us by Pashtons .But guess what today things are changed ,and our current generation has more educated people and intellectual heads percentage wise compared to others in our surroundings .which already give you people the indication of defeat with the new era’s requisites .
Regards.

]]> By: Tolgha http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/28/afghanistan-violence-in-the-hazarajat-protests-in-kabul/comment-page-1/#comment-1495612 Tolgha Sun, 03 Aug 2008 10:40:19 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=47179#comment-1495612 Zalmai you don't need to put anything for the International community rather than admitting the fact that what you guys are doing or had been doing through out the history. Everyone knows that Pashtuns are the trouble maker in form of Talibans,Kuchis,Waziristanis,Pakhtuns or Pashtuns ,you all are chips of the same block and the act of barbarism and cruelty is the symbol of your pride. The way I see president Karzai with a very little knowledge and his fake English accent ,honestly he makes me laugh since he talks stupid and acts stupid.I don't see much difference between him and a street hawker in terms of his mental approach towards international relations and handling the global politics.So called a president. Zalmai you don’t need to put anything for the International community rather than admitting the fact that what you guys are doing or had been doing through out the history. Everyone knows that Pashtuns are the trouble maker in form of Talibans,Kuchis,Waziristanis,Pakhtuns or Pashtuns ,you all are chips of the same block and the act of barbarism and cruelty is the symbol of your pride.
The way I see president Karzai with a very little knowledge and his fake English accent ,honestly he makes me laugh since he talks stupid and acts stupid.I don’t see much difference between him and a street hawker in terms of his mental approach towards international relations and handling the global politics.So called a president.

]]> By: Shaman http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/28/afghanistan-violence-in-the-hazarajat-protests-in-kabul/comment-page-1/#comment-1494900 Shaman Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:16:03 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=47179#comment-1494900 Zalmai enough is enough. Please be honest and tell me do you have the licence to kill Hazaras? Did you give them the lives they live? Do you think Islam allows killing human beings? Ask your Pashtuns and any one who kills Hazaras if he believes in Islam? If they did, they had started jihad against mistreating Pashtuns and others. Hazaras can help you. Just let them help you and you will see Afghanistan progress. Your comparison is also wrong. Mexicans who enter US without papers are not educatted. But today Hazaras have the highest education rate in both Afghanistana and Pakistan. Zalmai time will pass and let not the tomorrow be a regretful tomorrow for all of the enemies of Hazaras. We want PEACE and Eual Rights. We respect honourable humans. An honourable human being can not be unjust. Best Regards. Powerful Shaman. Zalmai enough is enough. Please be honest and tell me do you have the licence to kill Hazaras? Did you give them the lives they live? Do you think Islam allows killing human beings? Ask your Pashtuns and any one who kills Hazaras if he believes in Islam? If they did, they had started jihad against mistreating Pashtuns and others.
Hazaras can help you. Just let them help you and you will see Afghanistan progress.
Your comparison is also wrong. Mexicans who enter US without papers are not educatted. But today Hazaras have the highest education rate in both Afghanistana and Pakistan. Zalmai time will pass and let not the tomorrow be a regretful tomorrow for all of the enemies of Hazaras.
We want PEACE and Eual Rights. We respect honourable humans. An honourable human being can not be unjust.
Best Regards.
Powerful Shaman.

]]> By: ZALMAI http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/28/afghanistan-violence-in-the-hazarajat-protests-in-kabul/comment-page-1/#comment-1493976 ZALMAI Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:57:57 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=47179#comment-1493976 AND ALSO I WANT TO ASK THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY NOT TO LISTEN TO WHAT HAZARAS ARE SAYING ABOUT KUCHIS THEY ARE NOT TALIBAN. I ASK THE ISAF AND COALITION FORCES NOT TO FALL A PREY IN THIS LAND DISPUTE AND BE USED BY FACIEST HAZARAS WHO HAVE VARIOUS AGENDAS. AND ALSO I WANT TO ASK THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY NOT TO LISTEN TO WHAT HAZARAS ARE SAYING ABOUT KUCHIS THEY ARE NOT TALIBAN. I ASK THE ISAF AND COALITION FORCES NOT TO FALL A PREY IN THIS LAND DISPUTE AND BE USED BY FACIEST HAZARAS WHO HAVE VARIOUS AGENDAS.

]]> By: ZALMAI http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/28/afghanistan-violence-in-the-hazarajat-protests-in-kabul/comment-page-1/#comment-1493972 ZALMAI Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:51:11 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=47179#comment-1493972 IN RESPOSNE TO SHANAM'S COMMENTS ABOUT AMERICANS AND RED INDIANS. i HAVE TO SAY IT IS NOT A CORRECT ANALOGY. HAZARAS IN AFGHANISTAN ARE MORE LIKE ILLEGAL MEXICANS IN UNITED STATES, WHICH THE US GOVT. IS ACTIVELY PERSUING A POLICY OF DEPORTATION. THEY WANT TO GET RID OF THESE ILLEGAL AND MOSTLY ILLITERATE MAXICANS WHICH PUTS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE ECONOMY AND TAKING JOBS AWAY FROM ORDINARY AMERICANS. NO BODY WANTS ILLEGAL ALIANS AMONGST THEM. SPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE NOT NICE AND APPRECIATE THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO LIVE IN SOMEONE ELSE'S COUNTRY. THANK YOU IN RESPOSNE TO SHANAM’S COMMENTS ABOUT AMERICANS AND RED INDIANS. i HAVE TO SAY IT IS NOT A CORRECT ANALOGY. HAZARAS IN AFGHANISTAN ARE MORE LIKE ILLEGAL MEXICANS IN UNITED STATES, WHICH THE US GOVT. IS ACTIVELY PERSUING A POLICY OF DEPORTATION. THEY WANT TO GET RID OF THESE ILLEGAL AND MOSTLY ILLITERATE MAXICANS WHICH PUTS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE ECONOMY AND TAKING JOBS AWAY FROM ORDINARY AMERICANS. NO BODY WANTS ILLEGAL ALIANS AMONGST THEM. SPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE NOT NICE AND APPRECIATE THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO LIVE IN SOMEONE ELSE’S COUNTRY.
THANK YOU

]]> By: ZALMAI http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/28/afghanistan-violence-in-the-hazarajat-protests-in-kabul/comment-page-1/#comment-1493964 ZALMAI Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:39:37 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=47179#comment-1493964 Hazaras are as much Afghan as any other Afghans. But recently we have seen so much hatred from majority of Hazaras towards Pushtoons. It is very obvious and clear that most Hazaras hate pushtoons you can see that in their publications online. People have not forgotten the crimes that Hazaras have commited during Prof. Rabani's govt. Hazaras cut women's breasts, stuck nails in pushtoons' heads they have commited crimes that was unheard of before in the history of Afghanistan. These are the same people who commited these crimes. I am not judging all Hazaras there are good people in hazaras. Same way there are bad people in pashtoons, Tajeks and Uzbeks like Rasheed Dostum who killed 1000s of people and still terrorizing the people of Mazare Sharif. He is like a gangster Hazaras are as much Afghan as any other Afghans. But recently we have seen so much hatred from majority of Hazaras towards Pushtoons. It is very obvious and clear that most Hazaras hate pushtoons you can see that in their publications online. People have not forgotten the crimes that Hazaras have commited during Prof. Rabani’s govt. Hazaras cut women’s breasts, stuck nails in pushtoons’ heads they have commited crimes that was unheard of before in the history of Afghanistan. These are the same people who commited these crimes.
I am not judging all Hazaras there are good people in hazaras. Same way there are bad people in pashtoons, Tajeks and Uzbeks like Rasheed Dostum who killed 1000s of people and still terrorizing the people of Mazare Sharif. He is like a gangster

]]> By: Truth v. The Machine » Archives » Around the world http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/28/afghanistan-violence-in-the-hazarajat-protests-in-kabul/comment-page-1/#comment-1493381 Truth v. The Machine » Archives » Around the world Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:11:54 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=47179#comment-1493381 [...] Global Voices - But sometimes ethnic rivalries boil over into outright disputes. In Wardak province, just west and south of Kabul, the Hazara have a long-standing feud with the nomadic Kuchi over land rights. On Tuesday, July 8—the day after the horrific bombing at the Indian embassy in Kabul—a band of Kuchis moved into the Behsud district of Wardak and killed several Hazaras, taking at least four hostage and claiming the “right” to use their land. [...] [...] Global Voices – But sometimes ethnic rivalries boil over into outright disputes. In Wardak province, just west and south of Kabul, the Hazara have a long-standing feud with the nomadic Kuchi over land rights. On Tuesday, July 8—the day after the horrific bombing at the Indian embassy in Kabul—a band of Kuchis moved into the Behsud district of Wardak and killed several Hazaras, taking at least four hostage and claiming the “right” to use their land. [...]

]]> By: Peace Like A River » Cables, dispatches and memoranda http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/28/afghanistan-violence-in-the-hazarajat-protests-in-kabul/comment-page-1/#comment-1493249 Peace Like A River » Cables, dispatches and memoranda Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:47:35 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=47179#comment-1493249 [...] Global Voices - But sometimes ethnic rivalries boil over into outright disputes. In Wardak province, just west and south of Kabul, the Hazara have a long-standing feud with the nomadic Kuchi over land rights. On Tuesday, July 8—the day after the horrific bombing at the Indian embassy in Kabul—a band of Kuchis moved into the Behsud district of Wardak and killed several Hazaras, taking at least four hostage and claiming the “right” to use their land. [...] [...] Global Voices – But sometimes ethnic rivalries boil over into outright disputes. In Wardak province, just west and south of Kabul, the Hazara have a long-standing feud with the nomadic Kuchi over land rights. On Tuesday, July 8—the day after the horrific bombing at the Indian embassy in Kabul—a band of Kuchis moved into the Behsud district of Wardak and killed several Hazaras, taking at least four hostage and claiming the “right” to use their land. [...]

]]> By: Tolgha http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/28/afghanistan-violence-in-the-hazarajat-protests-in-kabul/comment-page-1/#comment-1493193 Tolgha Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:59:00 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=47179#comment-1493193 I would like to draw readers attention over this sensitive issue between Hazaras and Kuchis which could escalate to further blood shed if not stopped .Kuchis or Pashtuns or in other words Talibans ,they have been cruel and barbaric towards Hazaras for the past 200 years.History is the witness of all those crimes,evil acts and genocides that Pastuns have inflicted on Hazaras.Today it is believed that that the active UN bodies and G8 countries are concerned for safety, food,shelter ,peace and progress of Afghan nation.But this incident makes me feel like that Talibans were active in their evil deeds against the Hazaras before the foreign invasion and even today .In all probability President Karzai being a Pashtun and somehow a naive person is favoring the Kuchis and keep on ignoring this bone of contention which infact is being heard for the past few summers.This is absolute ANARCHY. A question arises here that what credibility do the Kuchis have to keep weapons like AK47 on them and Hazaras can not have weapons in their possession to defend their house and family.I guess ISAF needs to treat the Kuchis as equal to taliban since they are terrorizing innocent civilians and trespassing on their pastures and killing their children and looting their house holds . Regards. I would like to draw readers attention over this sensitive issue between Hazaras and Kuchis which could escalate to further blood shed if not stopped .Kuchis or Pashtuns or in other words Talibans ,they have been cruel and barbaric towards Hazaras for the past 200 years.History is the witness of all those crimes,evil acts and genocides that Pastuns have inflicted on Hazaras.Today it is believed that that the active UN bodies and G8 countries are concerned for safety, food,shelter ,peace and progress of Afghan nation.But this incident makes me feel like that Talibans were active in their evil deeds against the Hazaras before the foreign invasion and even today .In all probability President Karzai being a Pashtun and somehow a naive person is favoring the Kuchis and keep on ignoring this bone of contention which infact is being heard for the past few summers.This is absolute ANARCHY.
A question arises here that what credibility do the Kuchis have to keep weapons like AK47 on them and Hazaras can not have weapons in their possession to defend their house and family.I guess ISAF needs to treat the Kuchis as equal to taliban since they are terrorizing innocent civilians and trespassing on their pastures and killing their children and looting their house holds .
Regards.

]]> By: Shaman http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/28/afghanistan-violence-in-the-hazarajat-protests-in-kabul/comment-page-1/#comment-1492834 Shaman Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:35:17 +0000 http://globalvoicesonline.org/?p=47179#comment-1492834 They say (Afg & Pak) that Hazara Mongols are foreigners! If so, Americans are also foreign in USA. Because it was the land of RED INDIANS. It is a new era and People must mix and live a life of mixed community. Because those days are gone when one community lived on a specific part of the earth and they conquered another area killing the different races. Pashtuns should realize that what they do against Hazaras is wrong. Can't they learn some modern way of living? If they can't means they deserv a nuke dropped on them! But this is not we Hazaras want. We have a great sense of justice and we love peace. We love peaceful world. And this is strange that no one takes any action against Kuchis! Hazaras have handed over their weapons and Kuchis are beeing armed! What kind of justice is this???? One day I am sure some miracle would happen and the world would know that Hazaras were at the right side. I hope after this day the peace loving communities who have the power would help Hazaras to maintain peace in areas Hazaras live both in Afghanistan and Pakistan. About Hazaras in Afghanistan And Pakistan: 1. Peaceful Locally. Security. No foreign troops are harmed. 2. Education Loving Community 3. Cleanliness 4. Discipline 5. Trust Worthy (Men of Word) Best regards. And thanks to Rumi They say (Afg & Pak) that Hazara Mongols are foreigners! If so, Americans are also foreign in USA. Because it was the land of RED INDIANS. It is a new era and People must mix and live a life of mixed community. Because those days are gone when one community lived on a specific part of the earth and they conquered another area killing the different races.
Pashtuns should realize that what they do against Hazaras is wrong. Can’t they learn some modern way of living? If they can’t means they deserv a nuke dropped on them! But this is not we Hazaras want. We have a great sense of justice and we love peace. We love peaceful world. And this is strange that no one takes any action against Kuchis! Hazaras have handed over their weapons and Kuchis are beeing armed! What kind of justice is this???? One day I am sure some miracle would happen and the world would know that Hazaras were at the right side. I hope after this day the peace loving communities who have the power would help Hazaras to maintain peace in areas Hazaras live both in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
About Hazaras in Afghanistan And Pakistan:
1. Peaceful Locally. Security. No foreign troops are harmed.
2. Education Loving Community
3. Cleanliness
4. Discipline
5. Trust Worthy (Men of Word)

Best regards. And thanks to Rumi

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