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	<title>Comments on: Bahrain: Obsessed with a Turkish soap opera</title>
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		<title>By: targus</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/19/bahrain-obsessed-with-a-turkish-soap-opera/comment-page-1/#comment-1529977</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Globalist;
I think,main reason of airing these series is to introduce liberal and/or popular world that stands outside of Arabic region.
For a long time individualism and liberalism are just out of Arabic people&#039;s door.Millions of people were (and still are) governed by dictators or so called princes and  regime  pushed them to accept  a miserable way of life in poor conditions.
Although Turkey has not a mature democracy yet,there is far better conditions as liberal side and people commonly seized  what free/liberal country can offer them.These liberal way produced it&#039;s pop culture immediately.And now we see Arabs explore it.
Let&#039;s hope these kind of things will cause to commence an enlightening in Arabic world and knock down taboos which tie people in mentaly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Globalist;<br />
I think,main reason of airing these series is to introduce liberal and/or popular world that stands outside of Arabic region.<br />
For a long time individualism and liberalism are just out of Arabic people&#8217;s door.Millions of people were (and still are) governed by dictators or so called princes and  regime  pushed them to accept  a miserable way of life in poor conditions.<br />
Although Turkey has not a mature democracy yet,there is far better conditions as liberal side and people commonly seized  what free/liberal country can offer them.These liberal way produced it&#8217;s pop culture immediately.And now we see Arabs explore it.<br />
Let&#8217;s hope these kind of things will cause to commence an enlightening in Arabic world and knock down taboos which tie people in mentaly.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Arabeyes: Ramadan TV - for and against</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/19/bahrain-obsessed-with-a-turkish-soap-opera/comment-page-1/#comment-1510333</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Arabeyes: Ramadan TV - for and against</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] including those from Egypt, Syria and the Gulf, but there was nothing for those who follow Muhannad and Noor. It is obvious that many people have started to organise their schedules, time and activities for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Globalist</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/07/19/bahrain-obsessed-with-a-turkish-soap-opera/comment-page-1/#comment-1497693</link>
		<dc:creator>Globalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samer Al-Nimr:
Thanks for your comments as well. I understand now that you were criticizing the mere fact that this story had become so popular among the blogosphere (and, I assume, the Arab mainstream media). Since your criticism wasn&#039;t directed at regular folk enjoying a harmless soap opera, I apologize for assuming that it was.

My take on your key question would be that of course society gets to choose its own taboos, but society must not unreasonably limit individual liberties when doing so. I&#039;m not saying that Arabs need to accept alcohol consumption or extramarital sex, but how is society to control those who do want to take part in these activities? The simple answer is &quot;It can&#039;t and it shouldn&#039;t&quot;. (Of course, sources for alcohol can be limited by the government, but let&#039;s assume that they exist.) If a free individual chooses to drink or have extramarital sex (with another free individual), then that&#039;s their choice to do so. 

This underlying principle of respect for individual freedom is what makes a society &quot;enlightened&quot; and &quot;modern&quot;, not the mere acts that fall under such a freedom. Taboos are lifted once people discuss, rationalize and criticize their own taboos. I&#039;m not suggesting that bars and beer stores should start popping up next to mosques in the Arab/Muslim world. Of course, the sensitivities of the majority also need to be considered. But committees like &quot;Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice&quot; (or the shorter title: &quot;Moral Police&quot;) are unneeded and highly intrusive. 

So, I agree with you. A society is not &quot;enlightened&quot; or &quot;modern&quot; just because it has alcohol and extramarital sex. But because it respects an individual&#039;s freedom and the individual rights vis-a-vis the state. What the Arab/Muslim world needs isn&#039;t Western culture, but rampant liberalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samer Al-Nimr:<br />
Thanks for your comments as well. I understand now that you were criticizing the mere fact that this story had become so popular among the blogosphere (and, I assume, the Arab mainstream media). Since your criticism wasn&#8217;t directed at regular folk enjoying a harmless soap opera, I apologize for assuming that it was.</p>
<p>My take on your key question would be that of course society gets to choose its own taboos, but society must not unreasonably limit individual liberties when doing so. I&#8217;m not saying that Arabs need to accept alcohol consumption or extramarital sex, but how is society to control those who do want to take part in these activities? The simple answer is &#8220;It can&#8217;t and it shouldn&#8217;t&#8221;. (Of course, sources for alcohol can be limited by the government, but let&#8217;s assume that they exist.) If a free individual chooses to drink or have extramarital sex (with another free individual), then that&#8217;s their choice to do so. </p>
<p>This underlying principle of respect for individual freedom is what makes a society &#8220;enlightened&#8221; and &#8220;modern&#8221;, not the mere acts that fall under such a freedom. Taboos are lifted once people discuss, rationalize and criticize their own taboos. I&#8217;m not suggesting that bars and beer stores should start popping up next to mosques in the Arab/Muslim world. Of course, the sensitivities of the majority also need to be considered. But committees like &#8220;Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice&#8221; (or the shorter title: &#8220;Moral Police&#8221;) are unneeded and highly intrusive. </p>
<p>So, I agree with you. A society is not &#8220;enlightened&#8221; or &#8220;modern&#8221; just because it has alcohol and extramarital sex. But because it respects an individual&#8217;s freedom and the individual rights vis-a-vis the state. What the Arab/Muslim world needs isn&#8217;t Western culture, but rampant liberalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Samer Al-Nimr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samer Al-Nimr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments Globalist. While I agree with most of your comments, my constructive criticism is to bloggers from the Arab world (whom I consider mainly to compse the intellectual target audience I want to address). Interestingly, there was a debate about the Noor soap opera on Al Jazeerah network yesterday.
A key question that arises: Who determines what is a taboo and what is acceptable to another society (mainly our Arab and Muslim society)? Drinking alcohol and having children out of wedlock (although it does exist) is NOT part of our POP Culture. We should not encourage it either to appear &quot;enlightened&quot; and &quot;modern.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments Globalist. While I agree with most of your comments, my constructive criticism is to bloggers from the Arab world (whom I consider mainly to compse the intellectual target audience I want to address). Interestingly, there was a debate about the Noor soap opera on Al Jazeerah network yesterday.<br />
A key question that arises: Who determines what is a taboo and what is acceptable to another society (mainly our Arab and Muslim society)? Drinking alcohol and having children out of wedlock (although it does exist) is NOT part of our POP Culture. We should not encourage it either to appear &#8220;enlightened&#8221; and &#8220;modern.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Globalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Globalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick response to Samer Al-Nimr: I think that&#039;s an unfair criticism of Arab culture in general. The best comparison would be the United States. American public is fascinated with who Angelina Jolie adopts, who Britney Spears is dating, when the gals from Sex and the City will make their big screen debut, why Britney Spears cut off her hair, what book Oprah will recommend next, and more Britney news, etc, etc, and this happens ad nauseum. This isn&#039;t a surprise. Welcome to Pop Culture!

Despite this, America is still at the forefront of science, technology and academia. The American academia is flourishing and produces more than most countries in the world combined! 

The two subcultures (the highbrow and the lowbrow) can and must coexist. The scientist, the intellectual, coexist alongside the common man. There is room for both. Rather than criticizing the Bahraini layman for being fascinated with Muhannad and Noor, perhaps you should direct your criticism at the Arab academics, the Arab intellectuals, the Arab politicians, the Arab aristocrats for their complete and utter failure to guide culture. There ought to be more science, more discovery, more debates, but not at the cost of general entertainment and popular culture.

I personally think it&#039;s great that Bahrainis are enjoying a Turkish drama. It&#039;ll only go to improve the Arab culture in the future when some Arab cultures (like the Saudi Arabs, the Yemenis and the Syrians) are further exposed to liberal cultures (like the Turks, the Lebanese, and perhaps beyond?) and relax the stranglehold of the so-called &quot;religious authorities&quot;, the politicians, the so-called &quot;intellectuals&quot;, who have made too many things taboo for far too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick response to Samer Al-Nimr: I think that&#8217;s an unfair criticism of Arab culture in general. The best comparison would be the United States. American public is fascinated with who Angelina Jolie adopts, who Britney Spears is dating, when the gals from Sex and the City will make their big screen debut, why Britney Spears cut off her hair, what book Oprah will recommend next, and more Britney news, etc, etc, and this happens ad nauseum. This isn&#8217;t a surprise. Welcome to Pop Culture!</p>
<p>Despite this, America is still at the forefront of science, technology and academia. The American academia is flourishing and produces more than most countries in the world combined! </p>
<p>The two subcultures (the highbrow and the lowbrow) can and must coexist. The scientist, the intellectual, coexist alongside the common man. There is room for both. Rather than criticizing the Bahraini layman for being fascinated with Muhannad and Noor, perhaps you should direct your criticism at the Arab academics, the Arab intellectuals, the Arab politicians, the Arab aristocrats for their complete and utter failure to guide culture. There ought to be more science, more discovery, more debates, but not at the cost of general entertainment and popular culture.</p>
<p>I personally think it&#8217;s great that Bahrainis are enjoying a Turkish drama. It&#8217;ll only go to improve the Arab culture in the future when some Arab cultures (like the Saudi Arabs, the Yemenis and the Syrians) are further exposed to liberal cultures (like the Turks, the Lebanese, and perhaps beyond?) and relax the stranglehold of the so-called &#8220;religious authorities&#8221;, the politicians, the so-called &#8220;intellectuals&#8221;, who have made too many things taboo for far too long.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Arabeyes: Head Over Heels for Muhannad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Arabeyes: Head Over Heels for Muhannad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Huang Renxing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huang Renxing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been to Turkey and it is a fascinating place. Very beautiful with great and splendid mosques, especially the Blue Mosque.  Although my country is only 13% Moslem, (the rest Chinese and Indian) I find Islamic culture very interesting. It is a good thing, I think that the Islamic world is so diverse, such that a serial like Noor can be made in relatively liberal and Europeanised Turkey, and yet still have enough in common, that this soap opera can appeal so much to the Arab world. I hope that the world of Islam never loses this diversity and continues to develop and prosper. Humanity is so much richer for the art and culture of great Islamic empires like Arabia, Safavid Persia, Mughal India and the old Ottoman Empire.   

With love and respect from Singapore
Huang Renxing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been to Turkey and it is a fascinating place. Very beautiful with great and splendid mosques, especially the Blue Mosque.  Although my country is only 13% Moslem, (the rest Chinese and Indian) I find Islamic culture very interesting. It is a good thing, I think that the Islamic world is so diverse, such that a serial like Noor can be made in relatively liberal and Europeanised Turkey, and yet still have enough in common, that this soap opera can appeal so much to the Arab world. I hope that the world of Islam never loses this diversity and continues to develop and prosper. Humanity is so much richer for the art and culture of great Islamic empires like Arabia, Safavid Persia, Mughal India and the old Ottoman Empire.   </p>
<p>With love and respect from Singapore<br />
Huang Renxing</p>
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		<title>By: Arab Women Can Fancy Men? &#124; Unguided Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arab Women Can Fancy Men? &#124; Unguided Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] your preference, the former spelling is Turkish, the latter for you to correctly pronounce it), has become a hit in the Arab world, with reports of fights and even divorces occurring because of the obsession of many women with the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Samer Al-Nimr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samer Al-Nimr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just come back to Dubai from my two week vacation in Amman, Jordan where my parents live, I can attest that the soap opera Noor is a hot ticket item that is religiously followed by many in the Arab world. It is even a topic of discussion in the print and coffee gatherings. Some countries, Jordan included, have invited the star actors (Mohanad and Noor) for a visit. The bottom line is this: The Arabs have reached such a state of cultural deficit and emptiness that is disheartening. The attention to this story belies a bankrupt intellectual pursuit of Arabs whereas before they were the leaders in science and knowledge, now our intellectual pursuit is to whether Noor was correct in being angry with Mohanad because he hired his ex-wife. Wake up and arise ya Arab!?!?!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just come back to Dubai from my two week vacation in Amman, Jordan where my parents live, I can attest that the soap opera Noor is a hot ticket item that is religiously followed by many in the Arab world. It is even a topic of discussion in the print and coffee gatherings. Some countries, Jordan included, have invited the star actors (Mohanad and Noor) for a visit. The bottom line is this: The Arabs have reached such a state of cultural deficit and emptiness that is disheartening. The attention to this story belies a bankrupt intellectual pursuit of Arabs whereas before they were the leaders in science and knowledge, now our intellectual pursuit is to whether Noor was correct in being angry with Mohanad because he hired his ex-wife. Wake up and arise ya Arab!?!?!?!</p>
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