Yes we have a real problem with democratic issues but it’s not related to Muslims only, I think I don’t have to remind you about Russia and all Union Soviet nations, China, and North Korea, Africa and Latin America, I don’t think all of them are MUSLIMS !!!

This problem is caused by many society ideas, and life style.
it needs much more time to apply real democratic life. we are not perfect, we have many defects but at least we are doing our best to develop in balance way.

“Jews prayed allah for 2000 years to return to their home-land”

So you tell me that Israel now is a Jewish state???
I can’t get it, I mean you people until now are unable to determine whether Israel is a religious state or secular state.

And about the 2000 years, ya habibi, in 2000 years I’m sorry to tell you there were other people lived, they are Arabs and Palestinians.

it’s a 2000 years, you are not going to tell me that Jewish who were immigrated from 2000 years were able to have pure blood, it’s a Nazi thinking!!!!.

I mean come on, what the relation of African Jewish to MIDDLE EASTERN region???!!! he was immigrated too from 2000 year???!! wow, this is the 1st time I see white people turn to black just cause of sun!!!!.

anyway I would thank you for justifying the solution, now the Arab and Muslim can make their own story of suffer, and after 2000 year who knows, we can kick you out, and tell you: look it’s not us, it’s just a story from 2000 year has to be fixed.

so Indians has the right now to kick all the American from U.S.A, I mean they haven’t had 2000 year yet, but hay they were here before them, right?

Dear Tal, these stories worth nothing, what really matter now is: are we going to settle this in: either me or you, or you and me.

cause I can remind you of another sad story for both, Muslims and Jewish, Andalusia, Where Muslims, Christians, Jewish lived the most impressive time in history, under Arab rule.

700 year, and we were kicked out both, Muslims and Jews, like a rubbish, in 700 year, Muslims and Jewish were born in Spain, lived in Spain, and had kids in Spain have been kicked out, not just that, their culture were denied, and 1000 year of European history has been deleted until now.

Muslims has build Spain and made it the most advanced region in Europe, source of science, culture, and even human in Andalusia were treated much better than in Europe, the situation is similar to Arabs and Europeans now but in reverse, so where is Andalusia now?

Israel is going to face the same future if she kept denying the Palestinian right to live on their land which they lived for 2000 year as you said.

Arabs showed Israel many times they want peace, but a peace where all occupied lands must be released, and all Palestinian refugees must be able to go back and live peacefully in Israel/Palestine.

But Israel peace is like this: I killed your mother, raped your sister, destroyed your home, and kicked you out, but hay, let’s forget all about this, and live happily ever after, and believe me this will never happen.

“Show me that you are mature and respective nation, that I can live with you safely.”

We don’t hate for nothing, we hate for a reason, we are not a death wisher, reasons are very clear, fix them and peace is so easy to achieve.

You will be safe as mush as we are safe from you.

and really do u feel unsaftey from us????!! I think you should fear your government, that destroy whole nation for 2 soldiers, we should feel unsafe from you.

you should fear the extremism Jewish who hate Arabs and Muslims for nothing, who consider that Israel is safer when others are not safe, and they are againest any peace process, do I have to tell you who screwed the last peace process by killing Rabin.

you should fear your massive nuclear weapons which I don’t know why you made them, to nuke US !!!? wow, what a great solution for Israel safety.

Alloush is from Ali.
I’m an Arabic, from Syria.

Jean-François,
Thank you for reminding me about the moderate and progressive Palestinians. Maybe if they will be able to raise their voice, we will have hope here in the Mediterranean for peace.

Alloush Ia Habibi,

Jews prayed allah for 2000 years to return to their home-land, from which they were exiled by the Romans (You can check it out by looking at Jewish prayer books of the last 1000 years). In Israel (As it was called in the bible), there where allays Jews. Jerusalem was so crowded with them that they had to build new houses outside the wall. And this was before the Jews from the Zionist movement arrived. In Safed (صفد) there are traces of Jewish community from the 11th century. in the 16th century half of Safed population was Jewish. In 1834 (50 years before Zionism), Arab mob attacked the Jews in Safed, and after the great earthquake of 1837 in which 2000 Jews were killed, their Arab neighbors massacred them again.

Alloush, you said:
“It was started when you bombed and destroyed Arabic villages spreading terror of civilians all they have to defend them selves was rifles from WW1″

It started a little bit earlier. In 1921 the Arabs in Israel/Palestine mascaraed Jews in Jaffa (يَافَا) and Jerusalem, then again in 1929 in Hebron (الخليل). and again in the years 1936-39. And in 1948, after the UN Resolution 181 to build two states in Palestine/Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt (with British ammunition), Jordan (with British officers), Iraq and the local Arab pupation invaded Israel and tried to destroy her.

We were a nation of 600,000 people in the beginning of the war, against combined population of about 40 millions! and we survived.

Glubb Pasha (The British Arab legion commander)wrote that if we want to be fare, we have to blame booth sides. the Jews, where skillful and used diplomacy to get their land and accepted any offer, even if it was not fulfilling their dreams. The Arab leaders took the opposite course. They demanded their full programme and rejected any compromise, and therefore lost to the Jews parts of Palestine. (A soldier with the Arabs, p 46)

The problem was (and is still is) that Palestinians and our Arab neighbors, always think they can solve everything by power. Never looking for settlement, always for violence. and thus, they lose land, and lose a lot of life.

Alloush,
You ask to build a peaceful state, In which Palestinians and Jews can live together. I also wish for such a state. But I think the Arabs and the Palestinians have to prove their ability to be open democratic and tolerance for other cultures. Today, almost all the Arab countries are dictatorships. Syria is Electing Hafez with 99.8% of the votes. The same is true to Jordan and Egypt.Lebanon which is the only real Arab democratic state (maybe because it has a lot of un-Muslim elements in it), is being threaten by Hizbula and Syria.

If you really wants peace, please show me that Palestinians and Arabs, can solve problems without violence. Show me that you can live in a real democracy. Otherwise, every single provocation will lead again and again to Palestinians violence.Show me that you are mature and respective nation, that I can live with you safely.

Yours,
Tal

P.S.

What is the meaning of the name Alloush? I never heard such an Arabic name.
Are you a Palestinian?

@Tal. Agree with you. Very often what a westerner considers a reasonable compromise through negotiation is misconstrued as weakness by extremists and taken advantage of. furthermore, one has to seriously doubt Hamas of Hezbullah’s their honor and intentions when negociating–they desire peace, but the peace they desire has no room for Israel or Jews, unless they assume Dhimmi status like in medieval times. Moderate and progressive Palestinians need to stop listening to the propaganda and rhetoric and oppose it openly. They need to show other Palestinians that there is a peaceful future possible with Israel, and that this future cannot be brokered by Hamas, Hez and their ilk. Palestinians need to delegitimize extremist positions and their parties and marginalize them.
Meanwhile, every concession Israel makes to these organizations serves to bolster popular support and legitimize their claims. When will a moderate and progressive Palestinian party appear? One which I hope embodies the opinions and feeling most of their people have? Unfortunately for now, true peace-loving Palestinians have poor options and Israel rightly treats them with suspicion.

Oh dear, let me tell you when this has started, it was started when Jewish around the world not even related or visited middle east in 1000 year has decided to make their own nation on ِArabic land.

It was started when you bombed and destroyed Arabic villages spreading terror of civilians all they have to defend them selves was rifles from WW1, against your terrorist killing machine, causing a large scale of immigration of Palestinian to all over the world.

Look as an Arab and Muslim I can understand the suffer that Jewish had in Europe, not only from Nazi, we all know that Europeans hated Jewish over the history.

I can understand all of this, and I don’t have a problem to see Jewish coming to Palestine to start over, but start over in one nation that treat Muslims as mush as Jewish.

This map may could make you understand:
http://aqmme2.googlepages.com/a.jpg

When I said recognize your terrorism, is when you admit that you have no rights to build a Jewish state without Palestinian.

The solution is so clear, dissolve the racist organization of Zionism, stop occupation, and let all the Palestinian who was immigrated to back home to Palestine, then If you want to live with us, you are most welcome, you wont, you can always go back to your original home.

for me, I hope for peace, but in my memory as an Arab, when Israel mentioned I can only remember, sadness, and pain, it’s hard for me to forget what you have done to us.

I dont knew but for sure he is not a hero or a Freedom fighter.

You have written:

“putting a million and half citizens for over a year under full siege from, food, electricity, medicine, and all life basics just to force them to reject their elected government [which they elect for the 1st time of their history and they are punished for their choice], is not a terrorist action?!!!”

Let me remind us how this has all started. Israel, under Ariel Sharon, left the Gaza strip so that the Palestinians can live their life there, without Israeli occupation. Most Israelis supported this act and believed that once Israel will retreat from Gaza, the Palestinians will use their energy to recover themselves and prosper. But this did not happened. Instead the Hamas interpreted this as an Israeli weakness, and believed that if he will continue the fight, Israel will collapse and Hamas will have the whole land.

Hamas fired rockets at Israeli cities and villages. What do you expect from a state to do in such situation? When Britain’s citizens were bombard by the Germans in world-war II, the British army went after the Germans and bombard the Germans and starved them. In the first world-war, the British army starved the Germans to death. Three quarters of a million Germans died in starvation.

In 1933 the Germans elected the Nazis and therefore, brought upon Europe the worst war ever. 72 million people around the world were killed because the Germans elected an aggressive party. The Palestinians elected a radical party to power, and thus brought upon us a state of war.

Israel had left Gaza, and the Gaza regime started to fire at Israeli civilians, and so, Israel has the right, I think, to do what the British did when their citizens were bombard.

You also said:
“To refresh your memory you have
bombed Beirut, targeted civilians buildings, electricity, water, and even red cross posts, you’ve bombed civilians cars, destroyed bridges and buildings they are not even in the war zone!!!.”

I do agree that this reaction was much to much for what the Hizbula had done.The war started when the Hizbula attacked Israel and kidnapped 2 soldiers and killed eight, unprovoked. This is added to other incidents in which Hizbula used snipers to kill Israeli soldiers.

I do think Israel over reacted. She tried to say to the Lebanese, if you will not take care of Hizbula, I’ll take care of Lebanon. I think it was a stupid war that made much more damage then good. Hizbula only got stronger. Yes I agree, this was a stupid war. But Lebanon and Hizbula had their share. Hizbula also attacked civilians by rockets, and he started it by provoking Israel, for a long time.

Finaly, you said “once you recognize your terrorism, and decide to stop it, peace will be exist, otherwise, your existence will be questioned for ever.”

Well, please explain me how this should work? we got out of Lebanon, and were still attacked? We got out of Gaza, and the Hamas’ missiles followed us. How should we stop this violence dance? it seems that the only way to stop it, is to let the Arabs destroy Israel. I do not think, we will let you do it.

Really, I think that the way out of this violence, is that Arabs will recognize Israel right to live, and Israel will give the Palestinians a land in the 67 borders. What do you say?

So let me get this straight, putting a million and half citizens for over a year under full siege from, food, electricity, medicine, and all life basics just to force them to reject their elected government [which they elect for the 1st time of their history and they are punished for their choice], is not a terrorist action?!!!

you may forgot 2006 war?, tell me who considered that killing Lebanese Civilians is a perfect way to force the resistance to surrender?!!

To refresh your memory you have
bombed Beirut, targeted civilians buildings, electricity, water, and even red cross posts, you’ve bombed civilians cars, destroyed bridges and buildings they are not even in the war zone!!!.

you are right,
There are no terrorist Jews, their government is.

and since you are the only democratic people in middle east as your government say, and all your governments were elected by you, and you are the most advanced people in ther area, having the most powerfull army in the region…bla bla bla.

you know what, I don’t care. you want to name Muslims and Arabs as a terrorist, do it, the resistance will never stop, and we will support resistance today, tomorrow, and for ever.

once you recognize your terrorism, and decide to stop it, peace will be exist, otherwise, your existence will be questioned for ever.

Strange… I looked at Google news and found out that the INEMC is the only source for this story.

Form my experience, some of the stories are made up. The Palestinian media is very biased and uncritical, and will take every wounded or killed citizen to be a result of Israeli military actions.

You can see in the story that you sent me that they have declared him dead, while you know he is a live.
It is a fighting tool for them, and they do not care much about the truth.

I think this is something that made the west count more on Israeli reports then on Palestinian reports.

You may know this critical movie about Palestinians sources: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B1H-1opys

And even so, I am sure that there are Palestinians kids who were killed by Israeli military actions. Most of them are non-deliberately. But there may be some that was intended. I know that there were several cases when the Israeli court found out about deliberate killing of civilians, and they were sentenced. Also I know of a case in which a tank commander fired at what he thought to be a terrorist, but was later found out to be a Palestinian women. In this case the platoon commander was charged, and his military career was damaged.

All the soldiers that were found to kill civilians deliberately, were harshly criticized by the Israeli media.

Hope this shade some light,

Tal

Fortunately, he’s alive, but how do you explain that?

Can you remind me when a Jew citizen killed a Palestinian, and not while the Palestinian was committing a terror attack?

Those incidents are very rare, to the best of my knowledge, and they are always dealt harshly in the Israeli media. The terrorists attacks that I remember are Baruch Goldestain how killed 40 Palestinans in Hebron. Another one was Ami Popper, who killed 7 Palestinians 25 years ago . There was another one, as I remmeber in the middle of the second Intifada, which I can not remeber his name, and he killed 4 Palestinans, if I remember correctly.

All of the terrorists where dealt with despise as the worst kind of unhuman creatures, by the mainstream media. They were not hero, but all the other way. They where depict as villains.

Even Israeli soldiers who killed armed Palestinians in unethical manner, are dealt very harshly by the media. Now days, it was reviled that a soldier had killed a tied Palestinian fighter. The media sure depict this deed as unmoral, and something a soldier most not do.

I wish our opponents would have criticized their terrorists in the same way we do. I’m sure that if they would have done it, we could have much less violence by now.

All the best,
Tal

Tal,

Then why, when a Jewish person – civilian or military – commits a crime against a Palestinian, is that not referred to as terror?

Best,
Solana