Comments on: The Victimization of Egyptian Women and Children http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/ The world is talking. Are you listening? Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:57:46 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Global Voices بالعربية » النساء العربيات… قاصرات حتى يمتن http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-2/#comment-1579661 Global Voices بالعربية » النساء العربيات… قاصرات حتى يمتن Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:51:41 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1579661 [...] الرغم من التمتع بقوة داخلية تمكنهم من التعامل مع قيود وأغلال ثقافتهم [جميع الروابط بالإنكليزية]، بعض النساء العربيات يتم [...] [...] الرغم من التمتع بقوة داخلية تمكنهم من التعامل مع قيود وأغلال ثقافتهم [جميع الروابط بالإنكليزية]، بعض النساء العربيات يتم [...]

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Arab Women..Minors Until They Die http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-2/#comment-1579555 Global Voices Online » Arab Women..Minors Until They Die Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:55:41 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1579555 [...] blessed with inner strength that enables them to deal with the shackles of their culture, some Arab women are dealt with as minors who will never reap the fruits of adulthood. In addition [...] [...] blessed with inner strength that enables them to deal with the shackles of their culture, some Arab women are dealt with as minors who will never reap the fruits of adulthood. In addition [...]

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Egypt: Mother incriminated in a case of FGM http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-2/#comment-1530920 Global Voices Online » Egypt: Mother incriminated in a case of FGM Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:58:24 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1530920 [...] May 23, in a post titled The Victimization of Egyptian Women and Children, I quoted Fantasia - a girl who dreams of a better future for Egyptian women - who wrote about the [...] [...] May 23, in a post titled The Victimization of Egyptian Women and Children, I quoted Fantasia – a girl who dreams of a better future for Egyptian women – who wrote about the [...]

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Egypt: Mother incriminated in a case of FGM http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-2/#comment-1530921 Global Voices Online » Egypt: Mother incriminated in a case of FGM Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:58:23 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1530921 [...] May 23, in a post titled The Victimization of Egyptian Women and Children, I quoted Fantasia - a girl who dreams of a better future for Egyptian women - who wrote about the [...] [...] May 23, in a post titled The Victimization of Egyptian Women and Children, I quoted Fantasia – a girl who dreams of a better future for Egyptian women – who wrote about the [...]

]]> By: Fantasia http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-2/#comment-1467104 Fantasia Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:52:12 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1467104 Oh Hani, thank you so much. Your comments hadn't yet been published when I posted mine. I truly appreciate it. Oh Hani, thank you so much. Your comments hadn’t yet been published when I posted mine. I truly appreciate it.

]]> By: Fantasia http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-1/#comment-1466806 Fantasia Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:42:50 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1466806 I'd like to thank everybody for their encouragement. It is much needed, I gotta say. Thanks Lynn and Dina.. Grateful for giving me this wonderful moment while reading your comments. Next time depression strikes hard, I'll know where to turn. I’d like to thank everybody for their encouragement. It is much needed, I gotta say. Thanks Lynn and Dina.. Grateful for giving me this wonderful moment while reading your comments. Next time depression strikes hard, I’ll know where to turn.

]]> By: Fantasia http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-1/#comment-1466796 Fantasia Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:35:53 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1466796 I'm overwhelmed! Oh God! Thank you again dear Marwa for letting this article reach readers of Global Voices Online. And I wanna seize the chance to add a quick update. The Egyptian Parliament held another session to discuss those laws after undergoing amendments for the third time! Guess what happened! The MPs who belong to the Muslim Brotherhood kept cursing all those who agreed to the amended laws from the National Party, a big fight started and they had to take a break to calm people down.. Then while trying to resume the session, the respectful MPs resumed their quarrel with a twist.. for they started using their hands to hit those whom they wanted to shut up! It's all written in yesterday's newspapers and on the cover page of Al-Ahram. I still can't believe though! But, what.. that's not all. The leader of Al-Wafd liberal party (Mahmoud Abaza) joined the Muslim Brothers in objecting to raising the age of marriage for females to 18, saying that "it is a big mistake"!!What's this for God's sake? Can someone tell me what's going on? I’m overwhelmed! Oh God! Thank you again dear Marwa for letting this article reach readers of Global Voices Online. And I wanna seize the chance to add a quick update. The Egyptian Parliament held another session to discuss those laws after undergoing amendments for the third time! Guess what happened! The MPs who belong to the Muslim Brotherhood kept cursing all those who agreed to the amended laws from the National Party, a big fight started and they had to take a break to calm people down.. Then while trying to resume the session, the respectful MPs resumed their quarrel with a twist.. for they started using their hands to hit those whom they wanted to shut up! It’s all written in yesterday’s newspapers and on the cover page of Al-Ahram. I still can’t believe though!
But, what.. that’s not all. The leader of Al-Wafd liberal party (Mahmoud Abaza) joined the Muslim Brothers in objecting to raising the age of marriage for females to 18, saying that “it is a big mistake”!!What’s this for God’s sake? Can someone tell me what’s going on?

]]> By: Hani Michel http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-1/#comment-1466750 Hani Michel Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:47:42 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1466750 One can write a whole book about Fanta's activities and her points of view. Only two major points about women and children rights are mentioned in this article, Fanta has other activities against extremism, equality between men and women in testimony ,women work rights in Egypt, Honor Killings, Sexual harassment against women , forcing women to wear "Hijab", Masr El Gedeeda monthly Magazine. Congratulations all. The new laws to protect children in Egypt have been approved yesterday in the Egyptian Parliament. One can write a whole book about Fanta’s activities and her points of view.
Only two major points about women and children rights are mentioned in this article, Fanta has other activities against extremism, equality between men and women in testimony ,women work rights in Egypt, Honor Killings, Sexual harassment against women , forcing women to wear “Hijab”, Masr El Gedeeda monthly Magazine.

Congratulations all. The new laws to protect children in Egypt have been approved yesterday in the Egyptian Parliament.

]]> By: Lynn Sweeting http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-1/#comment-1466372 Lynn Sweeting Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:23:06 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1466372 Keep writing Fantasia, keep speaking out. One voice can change the world. Bright Blessings, Lynn Keep writing Fantasia, keep speaking out. One voice can change the world.
Bright Blessings,
Lynn

]]> By: Dina http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-1/#comment-1466173 Dina Tue, 03 Jun 2008 06:22:48 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1466173 Long live Fantasia! :) Reading things like this makes my blood boil, to know that there are still people out there with this overwhelming amount of utter retardation and self-created psychological imbalance. In my head, I cannot but yield to my inner devil and wish them all a very painful and immediate death. I can't have sympathy for anybody that sees it lawful to humiliate a child as such, or a woman. But when I think about it, I doubt their death would accomplish anything, as they've spread their diseased thoughts into the culture too far. All I can hope for is education, education, and some more education for all women everywhere, muslim or not, arab or not, so that they know what their real rights are as human beings, and not those they've come to believe in from a society run by sadistic males. Thank you for having the courage to speak out, Marwa. I love reading your posts. Long live Fantasia! :)

Reading things like this makes my blood boil, to know that there are still people out there with this overwhelming amount of utter retardation and self-created psychological imbalance. In my head, I cannot but yield to my inner devil and wish them all a very painful and immediate death. I can’t have sympathy for anybody that sees it lawful to humiliate a child as such, or a woman. But when I think about it, I doubt their death would accomplish anything, as they’ve spread their diseased thoughts into the culture too far. All I can hope for is education, education, and some more education for all women everywhere, muslim or not, arab or not, so that they know what their real rights are as human beings, and not those they’ve come to believe in from a society run by sadistic males.

Thank you for having the courage to speak out, Marwa. I love reading your posts.

]]> By: Andy http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-1/#comment-1460855 Andy Sun, 25 May 2008 17:23:59 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1460855 Yes Marwa, I mentioned the Copts to their shame and because we know that they are not in power, that's all. It would be great if Abdu would use his knowledge of Islam to prove that these things cannot be done in the name of Islam. And as for the Copts they should know that if a man must lay down his life for his wife as Christ laid down his life for the church then it shouldn't need saying that both parents should do the same for any of their children, in particular young girls. As you say, the thought that mothers take these children down back streets for FGM is horrific. But my point is that any crisis that goes unresolved waits for intervention, however, no one liked Bush and Blair sticking their noses into Iraq's problems so hats off to those locals who will do something or atleast lead the way? Yes Marwa, I mentioned the Copts to their shame and because we know that they are not in power, that’s all. It would be great if Abdu would use his knowledge of Islam to prove that these things cannot be done in the name of Islam. And as for the Copts they should know that if a man must lay down his life for his wife as Christ laid down his life for the church then it shouldn’t need saying that both parents should do the same for any of their children, in particular young girls.
As you say, the thought that mothers take these children down back streets for FGM is horrific. But my point is that any crisis that goes unresolved waits for intervention, however, no one liked Bush and Blair sticking their noses into Iraq’s problems so hats off to those locals who will do something or atleast lead the way?

]]> By: Marwa Rakha http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-1/#comment-1460850 Marwa Rakha Sun, 25 May 2008 16:25:04 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1460850 Abdu .. you are absolutely right! What hurts the most is that those mothers who were mutilated when they were little girls believe in this nonsense and, with their own hands, they drag their tiny daughters to those clinics!! Abdu .. you are absolutely right! What hurts the most is that those mothers who were mutilated when they were little girls believe in this nonsense and, with their own hands, they drag their tiny daughters to those clinics!!

]]> By: Marwa Rakha http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-1/#comment-1460848 Marwa Rakha Sun, 25 May 2008 16:23:09 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1460848 Andy, thank you so much for your comment .. thing is ... it is not about Muslims and Coptics ... it has moved from bieng a religious stance to a cultural norm!!! Everything that Fantasia wrote is applied equally by Muslims and Copts ... I guess this is one of their few areas of agreement! Andy, thank you so much for your comment .. thing is … it is not about Muslims and Coptics … it has moved from bieng a religious stance to a cultural norm!!! Everything that Fantasia wrote is applied equally by Muslims and Copts … I guess this is one of their few areas of agreement!

]]> By: Abdu http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-1/#comment-1460557 Abdu Sun, 25 May 2008 03:51:54 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1460557 I am a muslim man and I agree whole heartedly with Fantasia: Our "muslim brothers" do not follow the real Islamic doctrine and are not following the traditions and example of our beloved prophet (pbuh), for he never condoned or used repression, abuse or violence in any form whatsoever. FGM should be harshly dealt with and totally banned and has nothing to do with Islam. Women should stand up all over the muslim world and reclaim their real islamic rights and denounce publicly and openly any form of inequity and violence from their so called "muslim brothers" and from their legislators at large. To degrade our "Muslim Sisters" is one of the worst thing that could happen to our "Civilization", and the root cause of a decent, solid and prosperous society is a harmonious and respectful family environment where children could grow healthy in all aspect of social life. I sincerely pray for the well being of my muslim sisters and stand with them until this fight is finally won. Women are our biggest assets we should honor and help them; every man should make his wife a queen so she can in turn make him a real king. And let us have respect for our children so they can respect us in return. I am a muslim man and I agree whole heartedly with Fantasia: Our “muslim brothers” do not follow the real Islamic doctrine and are not following the traditions and example of our beloved prophet (pbuh), for he never condoned or used repression, abuse or violence in any form whatsoever.
FGM should be harshly dealt with and totally banned and has nothing to do with Islam. Women should stand up all over the muslim world and reclaim their real islamic rights and denounce publicly and openly any form of inequity and violence from their so called “muslim brothers” and from their legislators at large.
To degrade our “Muslim Sisters” is one of the worst thing that could happen to our “Civilization”, and the root cause of a decent, solid and prosperous society is a harmonious and respectful family environment where children could grow healthy in all aspect of social life.
I sincerely pray for the well being of my muslim sisters and stand with them until this fight is finally won. Women are our biggest assets we should honor and help them; every man should make his wife a queen so she can in turn make him a real king. And let us have respect for our children so they can respect us in return.

]]> By: Andy http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/comment-page-1/#comment-1460380 Andy Sat, 24 May 2008 22:24:33 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/23/the-victimization-of-egyptian-women-and-children/#comment-1460380 My word Marwa, what a battle for humanity! FGM is surely one of the sickest traditions on the planet and as you point out it is enshrined in the Male dominated cultures of N.E. Africa. Although I read the bit about the Muslim Brotherhood in government I wondered what the Coptic church had to say on the matter? even though Copts in Egypt are nearly as oppressed as women, you would think this would be reason enough to stand as one and be counted. I was always amused at pools when one noticed fat men in Speedos sitting with their black-veiled women! if only they were all covered! lol, however,different cultures are by definition in contradiction to each other, so why should I judge? The siedi women I have worked with were "all valuable citizens who actively worked to push their society in a positive direction" but many were, I'm told, abused in the manner you've quoted as children. I only hope that there will come a time when they will gain their freedom at birth before mutilation and humiliation and that social scares can be healed without an equal and opposite reaction against men. My word Marwa, what a battle for humanity! FGM is surely one of the sickest traditions on the planet and as you point out it is enshrined in the Male dominated cultures of N.E. Africa. Although I read the bit about the Muslim Brotherhood in government I wondered what the Coptic church had to say on the matter? even though Copts in Egypt are nearly as oppressed as women, you would think this would be reason enough to stand as one and be counted.
I was always amused at pools when one noticed fat men in Speedos sitting with their black-veiled women! if only they were all covered! lol, however,different cultures are by definition in contradiction to each other, so why should I judge?
The siedi women I have worked with were “all valuable citizens who actively worked to push their society in a positive direction” but many were, I’m told, abused in the manner you’ve quoted as children.
I only hope that there will come a time when they will gain their freedom at birth before mutilation and humiliation and that social scares can be healed without an equal and opposite reaction against men.

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