Furthermore, suicide bombing is supported my the majority of Gazans. The whole of Arabia looks positively at the cowardly tactics of Hezbollah & Hamas.

On the Arab side it is NOT NOT NOT a few extremists but an issue of MAINSTREAM SUPPORT for those who PURPOSELY TARGET CIVILIANS.

It is no accident that the children of Arab Palestinians can name suicide bombers as American teens name movie stars. It is no lie that the children of Nablus traded suicide bomber cards (I’ve seen them!). The indoctrination is on tv (see my blog for latest excerpt from Pal TV, wingless.aoriginality.com). It is in the mainstream, it is everywhere, from the schools to the homes to the television sets. The Cult of Death is NOT NOT NOT the realm of “extremists” but is part of the mainstream culture…

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B. Smith said:
Let us say “no” to the men who make the rockets and the bombs, who smile and hand us the gun with orders to kill; let us say “yes” to our common bond, let us say “yes” to the common God who implores us to seek peace and justice, and to love our fellow brothers and sisters.
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I do NOT disagree with what you say in principle but it stops there, it’s *principle* and has NOTHING to do with the reality of an oft unprincipled world.

The fact is that the Koran is hardly a text that, as you say: “implores us to seek peace and justice, and to love our fellow brothers and sisters.” – On the contrary, it is chock full of hatred, antagonism, and outright intolerance. It calls believers to slay, to kill, to maim, to DISMEMBER. Again, I am not talking of a few isolated passages but whole sections, much of the Quran / Koran reads like a manual for intolerance & hatred. This is very different from the Old (Torah) & New Testaments. These books do contain violence but the vast majority is that of man on man or G*d punishing man, you do not have passage after passage of ORDERS FROM G*D TO SLAY THE UNBELIEVERS IN GRAPHIC AND GROTESQUE WAYS in any book but the Koran.

Sura 5:33: The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter.

SURA 9:5: …slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.

SURA 2:39: But they who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein.

(my note: Peoples of the Fire, aka burn them!)

SURA 2:191: And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

SURA 2:194: And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil).

SURA 2:254: …The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers

SURA 4:89: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them

SURA 4:91: If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.

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B. Smith said:

On the other hand, hate sells more bullets….
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Yes, but bullets are often the only way to fight deeply ingrained hatred, especially when the “hater” believes his feelings are justified, or absolutely ordained & commanded by G*d!

That is exactly the enemy Israel is fighting, it is exactly the enemy Britain & the USA are fighting.

There can be no negotiations with those whose stated aim is the total annihlation of you and yours. Besides the obvious perils of rewarding terrorist tactics with negotiations, there is the simple fact of practicality. Negotiating with a Pan-Islamist / Caliphate mindset is a waste of time. i.e.: What are you going to negotiate on?! Are you going to accept a compromise of them just killing 75% of your people?! Do you really believe you are going to convince them that they misheard or misinterpreted the word of the Almighty G*d? NO NO and NO… That is what the Obama Messiah crowd do not seem to understand… Common sense, history & current events are proof positive that one cannot negotiate with this type of mindset…

Don’t get me wrong, I am all for peace but there are times when war is far more noble then burying ones head in the sand. The world was just and correct in fighting Hitler, I would challenge those in the anti-war crowd to challenge this.

We have seen what the “hear no evil, see no evil” approach gets us, and it’s not pretty. Look at what happened in Rwanda, look at what is happening in the Congo (Darfur). Look at what happened with the Bill Clinton approach to Al-Qaeda: they attacked, then they attacked again, and again, gaining supporters, confidence & abilities which culminated on 9/11.

Peace? YES! But Peace is a state of being. Peace is not found on a piece of paper (Arafat proved that, Israel had his signature, but it stopped there), nor is it found in wishful thinking.

Peace means that you and yours are safe from attack. It means you are no longer targetted. Peace means nobody is plotting & planning attacks against you.
Peace, can be achieved through, and often requires – war.

Most people want to live and love and raise their families and don’t want any trouble. But the times are stormy, there are forces at work, there are men on all sides who want to control power. They exploit our fears, stoke our resentment, fuel our anger.

Let us say “no” to the men who make the rockets and the bombs, who smile and hand us the gun with orders to kill; let us say “yes” to our common bond, let us say “yes” to the common God who implores us to seek peace and justice, and to love our fellow brothers and sisters.

On the other hand, hate sells more bullets….

Most Arabs arrived during Ottoman times. The Ottomans moved Jews from Israel in their Surgun movements. THey also treated Jews as Dhimmi, forcing upon them the Jizya (which is higher than the Zakat) and denying them rights such that they will feel ashamed (Koran, Sura 9: “so that they (the non Muslims) will feel subdued”). The rise of Islam and Arabification, and the general homogenous-ization of the Middle East was affected by the Islamist Ottomans.

In 1918 the British partitioned Palestine, giving 70% to the Arab Palestinians (it is Trans-Jordan, today it’s Jordan) and promising the rest to the Palestinian Jews and the diaspora of exiled Jews (in the Balfour Declaration).

This is no secret, Arafat (an Egyptian) knew this and he challenged King Husseins rule. He was right to do so, Jordan was carved out of Palestine for the Palestinian Arabs. 3-4% of Jordan is Hashemite, they rule as reward for helping Britain in the war against the Ottomans. WHO DO THEY RULE? 95% “Palestinian” ARabs and their descendants.

In 1948 the Brits went back on their word, instead of giving the Jews the leftover 30%, they would get only about 17% of historic Palestine. The Jews happily accepted while the Arabs rejected.

In the 48 war, all the arabs attacked Israel. In that war Jordan illegally occupied Judea/Samaria (The West Bank) and Egypt occupied Gaza – taking it from the world body who had offered it to the Arabs (who refused).

In 67 the Arabs tried ending Israel again. They failed.
And in 73 yet again.

In 2000 Ehud Barake offered ARafat 100% of Gaza (Which they have now anyway), 97% of Judea (the “West Bank”), control over East Jerusalem as a capital for their new nation, 3-5% land in Israel proper.

Arafat ended the negotiations right there for he saw this offer as a sign of weakness. He left the negotiations immediately and began planning the second intifadah with Marwan Bargouti (who has admitted this).

Clinton said of this (he was at the talks in 2000): I am a colosal failure, and you (Yasser Arafat) are the one that made me so.

Despite getting all that they ever claimed they wanted, the Palestinians didn’t demand their leader accept. Instead they joined the second intifadah which was the beginning of the end for them. Before that, things were good. Quality of life, gdp, literacy were slowly rising. Arabs visited ISrael, the roadblocks began to comedown.

The Arabs, alas, are their own worse enemies. Their own leaders kill and persecute them daily (In Black September some say King Hussein killed more Arabs in one month than Israel did in 50 years). The only ARabs in the MidEast with rights to voting, running for office, speech, association, sexuality, religion and self determination are Israeli Arabs. If that is what it is to be a second class citizen then I can only wish all non Israeli Arabs to aspire be second class citizens for it does not get much better then that (it’s as first class as I know!).

The sad fact is that today, 83% of “Palestine” is controlled by ARABS! Jordan + Gaza + areas of Judea = the vast majority of Palestine.

The Palestinians already have 2 homelands. They have Jordan and the Islamic Republic of Gaza (Aka Hamas-istan).

In 60 years, the Jews, the worlds scapegoat and beaten stick have risen from the ashes to create the most pluralistic, freest nation in the Middle East. It is not perfect but it is far from the greatest issue in the MidEast today. When the Arabs OPEN THEIR EYES and realize their leaders use Israel as Hitler used the Jews (a convenient scapegoat to draw attention away from the real issues) they will start their forward journey.

It is trully sad that the Jews cousins, the Arabs are so close in proximity but worlds apart in terms of technological and human (moral legal) advancement.

The key here is INTROSPECTION. Get your house in order, then (and only then) should you look at your neighbours for the source of your woes.

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