Comments on: Macedonia: Bloggers Emphasize Need for Open Communication with Greece

By: john

john — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:57:58 +0000

I can’t believe this is supposed to be an anti-nationalist blog yet it links to nationalist crap abou the supposed ancient provenance of Modern Macedonians and thei

By: ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΑΣ

ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΑΣ — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:44:56 +0000

HELLO AGAIN
now that you all really know that alexander the great was greek lets talk more deep
1)you say you are talking macedonian i say you are talking bulgarian
2)you wanna call your self macedonian ok i dont have a problem with that, but you are a macedonian who speaks bulgarian ok np and with that.
3) you are talking about some people in greece who speak bulgarian and call theme self macedonians and no greeks ok np with that
4)my father aND HIS PARENTS AND ME ALITTLE KNOW TO SPEAK TOO I LEAVE NEXT ARISTOTELIS SCHOOL WHERE ALEXANDER DO HIS LESSONS (1KM DISTANCE ONLY) AND I SAY SO WHAT BECAUSE THEY TALK THIS LANGUAGE AND NOT THE GREEK MAKES THEM NOT GREEKS? AND EVEN SO WHAT? BECAUSE THEY WHERE BORN HERE MEANS THEY ARE GREEKS? AND BECAUSE THEY SPOKE THIS LANGUAGE AND WANNA CALL THEM SELF MACEDONIANS THEY WILL TRY TO CHANGE ALEXANDERS HISTORY

I SAY WANNA BE MACEWDONIAN?
LEAVE LIKE MACEDONIAN
ΔΕΝ ΕΙΜΑΙ ΛΙΓΟΤΕΡΟ ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ ΑΠΟ ΕΣΑΣ *ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ*
I AM NOT LESS GREEK THAN YOU (ALEXANDER SPEECH TO ATHENIANS)
SPEAK MACEDONIAN WRITE MACEDONIAN LIKE OUR GRAND GRAND FATHERS DO AND STOP SPEAK BULGARIAN
MACEDONIANS WRITES AND SPEAK GREEK

ME AND THE HALF PEOPLE IN NORTH GREECE WE HAVE THE SAME BLOOD WITH YOU PEOPLE FROM FYROM WE ARE THE SAME I EVEN SAY FOR FUN TO MY FATHER (IMAS PARE) YOUR COUNTRY JUST WANNA HARM GREECE THEY ARE SAYING LIES TO YOU
YOU ARE GREEK TOO

TRY TO FIND THE TRUTH OPEN YOUR EYES DONT EAT WHAT EVER THEY WANNA GIVE YOU PIECE BY PIECE YOU WILL FIND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR

AND WHEN YOU WILL NEED TRULY HELP GREECE WILL HELP YOU
NOT THE TURKS (BECAUSE YOU TRY TO FIND HELP FROM TURKEY)
sorry if make you tired and sorry for my not good english
i wrote those and i believe those from my heart

a man from north greece 24 years old

By: ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΑΣ

ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΑΣ — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:26:20 +0000

HELLO
im from the north region of GREECE MACEDONIA

im writing about alexander the great iwanna know first if he was greek or not
about what happened in this place of earth before 50 or 100 or at 6 ad i will post in a while now for this he was greek or not?

I have some questions
1)alexander speaks and write greeks the same with spartans and athenians im seeing with my eyes the ancient stones (dont tell me that we make the stones in this years)
2)they worship the same gods like spartans and athenians
3)alexander was calling him self greek
4)there are many historical documents that says macedonians are greeks as many as for spartans and athenians(dont tell me about dimosthenis of athens)dimosthenis was saying macedonians are barbarians)
(historical people from fyrom think and say)(aaa the greeks were saying barbarians all non greek people so macedonians are not greek people) — I WANNA SAY FOR THIS THAT DIMOSTHENIS ALSO WAS CALLING THE SPARTANS ARE THEY NOT GREEK TOO? HE CALL ALL THE ENEMIES OF ATHENS LIKE THAT :/
5)they had the same traditions with others city states and even if they did not from city to city in our days they have differnet, why they couldnt have too
6)phillip bring aristotelis to teach his kid, omg if i would be father i would bring a german to teach me :/
7)alexander wants to revenge persians for the attack of greek citys or not?
8)alexanders hero was or not achilles?

i can ask many many things so now you all answer me if i am wrong
dont tell me about your grand father and your grand mothers and about tito or comunism or or or or
answer me he was greek or he was not greek!!!!

By: Alexandros

Alexandros — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:33:54 +0000

The lion symbol goes back to the 3rd century BC, I suppose the guy next to the lion in the mosaic, Dionysius, is an ancestor of the Slavs? Interesting, seeing as Slavs inhabited the region 6AD. Or are you going to claim next that it was the “ancient macedonians” that weren’t Hellenic and really you guys (not even the Bulgar-Slavs), then the Hellenes came along and occupied all of Northern Greece – silly me I should have known. Why did your president Kiro Gligorov say: “We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century … we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians”??

Using something (symbols) over and over again doesn’t make it yours, psychologically you may begin to believe so, the reality is otherwise. You may know how the story goes, if you repeat a lie over and over the people will believe it. Having a Communist past doesn’t help either. We know the story of Tito wanting to invade Greece and renaming Vardarska to the people’s republic of macedonia in the 40s.

I don’t know why we invest in FYROM when you’re out to take what’s ours even the entire northern part of our country, that’s all. There are other countries in the Balkans that have a source of cheap labor. Why is it every week there is something new from gruev attacking Greece? Did you know he’s already planned to use Albania’s sea-port in preparation for a Greek embargo? Why would he plan that, there are no provocations from Greece just mountains out of mole hills by FYROM government and your media. Anyway, enjoy your holidays in Greece: “During the month of August, the number of Macedonian tourists headed to Greece for the holidays increased significantly, reaching 100000″.

By: Bule

Bule — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:09:53 +0000

Alexandros are you familiar with the basic human rights of identity and dignity? You think that you can shut us down on this? So what if Greece has over 1 bilion dolars of invesment in Macedonia. It would be waste to loose all of that money now would it?

By saing another nation symbols, it would be nice if you can prove the link with the lion cult and the sun. Macedonians had the traditional lion hunt, something similar with the today aristocratic foks hunt in UK.

By: Alexandros

Alexandros — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:09:32 +0000

Boban, are you familiar with UN law? You are allowed to call yourself whatever you want as long as no one is provoked or offended by it. Do people in FYROM really believe that they can claim parts of another country and not get any reaction? It even goes as far as adopting another nations symbols and history as their own. FYROM has picked a fight and we will fight it. The Balkan peninsula was always Hellenic, Skopje has Greek origins (Skopion meaning a lookout), but do you see us claiming everything? It’s always difficult for a FYROMian to back something up with facts, and when they do it’s been invented by another FYROMian. Your nation is confused and clinging to nationalistic propaganda as a cure for depression. You have no right to “Macedonia”. You have less than 40% of the Ottoman region, it has Hellenic origins, you have no claim to “Alexander the Great” or other Hellenic heroes.

Not even your president agrees with the prime minister. Nationalism is how the PM grips to power, what happened to solving un-employment? Here’s one for you, how many people in FYROM are employed by Greeks? Are you familiar with what “sunk cost fallacy” is? Basically, you can’t stop now because you’ve gone this far. It’s embarassing to admit you’ve been misled by Tito as a child but the sooner you get over it the better for FYROM. Also, don’t ask me why Greece is the biggest investor in FYROM, I guess we’re too nice. We have 1 billion dollars invested in there, geeez.

By: Boban MK

Boban MK — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:59:11 +0000

Well Someone mention it to go and visit the tomb of Philip ? Thanks on the invitation but you are the only one from Greece who sent an invitation. But your government does not allow to MACEDONIANS to visit the tomb. My cousin two years back from now, have wanted to visit that place, Pella … but he was told that these places were closed, they are not for visiting. But nowadays the situation is different. Now we can’t get trough the border (that is from 1999).

Someone else mentioned that the problem was the name of the airport ALEXANDER THE GREAT. Hmmmmmm …. what is the problem here ? There are more airports in the world that are named with the same name. Or you have the only right of that name. SORRY I FORGOT. YOU HAVE THE ONLY RIGHT OF EVERYTHING, EVEN TO NAME A OTHER STATE WITH OTHER NAME. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE UN LAW ???? THAT EVERY STATE HAS THE RIGHT TO NAME ITSELF WHATEVER SHE WANTS ???? Your minister DORA, have told that WE (GREECE) WILL NEVER GOING TO INTERFERE IN THE DECISIONS OF UN ABOUT THE NAME WICH NIMIC WIL GIVE. BUT YOU INTERFERE. YOU DONT LIKE ANY OF THE LAST DECISINOS OF NIMIC. So that is a LIE.
I don understand you people. Are you sick with amnesia ??? Or is the situation worse. The time is coming when you will be alone in the politick with us, or the “PROBLEM WITH US”. The MEGALI IDEA started from you 100 years before, will crush sooner or later.

And for the end, THAT GUY with the PHD ????? Mrs. PHD, the Slavs yes arrived in 6-th c. AD. So what. Are you GREEKS SLAVS ???? YOU are telling that you are not. You destroy SLAV culture in GREECE, but you still having SLAV church. SO WHY NOT CHANGE IT ??? It will be a full house. There is no man on BALKANS who hasn’t have SLAV blood in him. ONLY THE GREEKS CLAME THAT THEY ARE THE PURE PEOPLE. So you are telling us that NO TURKISH MAN HAVE PLAYED WITH YOUR GRANDMOTHERS ???????? OOOo im sorry again, they were telling on the Turkish soldiers that they are GREEKS, AND DON’T PLAY WITH MUSLIMS .. Yaya !!!
Well i don’t know. I am smelling that you have problem with us, BECAWSE WE DON’T. You HAVE PROBLEMS WITH TURKEY, WE DON’T. YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH USA, we don’t. YOU HAVE PROBLEMS IN THE COUNCIL OF THE EUROPIEAN MINORITIES, WE DON’T ….. You from that council have a ORDER TO ACCEPT THE MINORITIES IN GREECE, AND PENALTIES ARE COUNTED, we don’t have that kind of problem, BUT YOU HELLENS (BECAWSE GREECE DON’T EGSIST TILL THE ARRIVING OF THE ROMANS, you have that kind of problems.

SEE YA !!! Boban from MACEDONIA, and OUR NAME IS MACEDONIA

By: KOKO

KOKO — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:35:58 +0000

”
May 16th, 2008 at 2:36 am Brian:
4
I have my Phd in Classical Studies at Oxford University and as an academic I can tell you that Alexander was Greek and I’m sorry to tell you but the Slavs did not appear in the Balkans until AD when Constantinople was busy with the Arabs. To concentrate on the Arabic threat it was Imperial strategy for Constantinople to Christianize your ancestors, the Slavs, so as to eliminate their threat. If the Slavs had appeared in Europe earlier than this time than the Romans would have definitely noticed and dealt with it, but they did not.
As for your theory that Greeks originate from the Ethiopians, there is not scientific data that suggests this. The study from which this theory originates is biased and has no supporting evidence and for that reason it was rejected by the scientific community.

Veritas Omni Vincit = Truth Conquers All
”

This is on the slavic migrations.
http://www.continuitas.com/interdisciplinary.pdf

It is rather interesting.

By: fullmarkup

fullmarkup — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:40:45 +0000

Well spoken Hellenic Headbreaker. People seem to miss the point to this discussion and only bring up false claims obviously bashed into their heads since youth. The fact that they can pick and choose bits and pieces of history that benefit them and put it on a forum such as this clearly confirms that we are dealing with a people who are reaching. Face the facts, the histoy wich you claim yours is so out of reach that you can only push it further away. Greece has direct connections to this history thru history itself. Alexander the Great was very proud of his lineage, Hercules on Phillips side and Achilles on Olympias side. I guess the only way you could claim our history is if you also claim the 1000 years before Alexander the Great. Kind of hard to do since you didn’t show up in the area until 6 AD.

By: Hellenic Headbreaker

Hellenic Headbreaker — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:20:00 +0000

People don’t waste your time or energy on these FYROManian dropkicks-history has slapped them in the face so many times it isn’t funny and severe retardation has kicked in. They are screaming to have a history of their own yet it is most irksome that they chose to steal mine and Hellas’. Especially this
“Peter Givens” clown,I tore him a new one and will happily do it again-come on Petradaki mou, I’m waiting to give you another factual beat-down Hellas style. Furthermore, what nonsense have you been reading? Manolis Glezos was sentenced to death in absentia by the occupying Nazis for taking the flag down and was subsequently imprisoned by them, and then by the Italians and Greek-Nazi collaborators-you conveniently negelct to mention that. You only refer to after the war and his troubles due to his political views; you obviously have a problem telling the truth.

Needless to say the Arnaiz-Villena paper you seem to worship was thoroughly debunked-nice try clown, reputed genealogists Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Alberto Piazza and Neil Risch, illustrated the scientific limitations of Arnaiz-Villena’s methodology. They stated that “Using results from the analysis of a single marker, particularly one likely to have undergone selection, for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is unreliable and unacceptable practice in population genetics.”, making specific allusion to the findings on Greeks (among others) as “anomalous results, which contradict history, geography, anthropology and all prior population-genetic studies of these groups.” But then Psuedo-macedonism and Afrocentrism go hand in hand seeing as they both need to spin lies to give their adherents some semblance of importance/purpose in life.

Furthermore, cut the crocodile tears, your Communist bratchko buddies got a free ride; in Korea they were made to sign a waiver denouncing their Communism in exchange for rice (they were starving hence why rice was so appealing) and were summarily slaughtered-I defy you to even compare the two because that’d prove beyond doubt what an imbecile you are-I have firsthand evidence of this from people I know serving during the Korean War in the peace-keeping forces who can attest to this. So what do you have to say for yourself now?!

Oh and Boban- fool, read some history for once. “Graecus” which is the origin of the term “Greek” comes from this: Essentially Graecus was a son of Thessalus, while the poet Virgil notes that Latinus is Graecus’s brother. The Hellenic tribe Graecians according to legend took their name after Graecus. They were one of the first Hellenic tribes to colonize Italy, and ultimately that area that came to be known as Magna Graecia, having taken the name from him. The Latins used this term in reference to all Hellenic people due to the fact that the first Hellenes they came into contact with were the Graecians, hence the name Greeks. Hmm I’m guessing you must be feeling really stupid right about now-but then no surprise there bucko, your mind has been tainted by garbage.

Anyhow, no matter, as the idiom goes, “you can practically beat the door down and a deaf person still won’t hear you”-they are better served fighting for their survival now that their 3rd world banana republic is in the middle of an “election” and the Albanians are baying for their blood. Good, clean, wholesome family fun for all and confirmation that they do not ever belong in Europe in any guise-though perhaps I will relent only a fraction if they were called the Vardar Republic or anything to that effect; it isn’t nice to steal identities, were you to do that over the internet you’d be clapped in irons.

As an Hellene, it is awkward to say this but what the hell; I will be celebrating when this artificial state is given a further veto by the EU-Gruevski’s idiotic remark about Thessaloniki being their’s took the cake, as did the disgusting actions of the mob in Australia where at a “peaceful protest” they were carring baners with hateful, racist undertones and burning Hellenic flags and chanting “Die Greeks die”; very neighbourly and ample evidende to suggest Hellas was right to block you from NATO. Then it’s only a matter of time when the Albanians will ultimately carve the country up like a plump Thanksgiving Turkey; speaking of which ol’ Uncle Sam (the US) won’t even bail their favourite Balkanite stooges as that procession of clowns will be gone come November; haha Dubya has done it again with his superb foreign policy-the world spits on him and the US and they think it’s raining.

The moral of the story is: Don’t mess with Hellas, we own the Balkans and will invariably reach economic prominence if indications of that petroleum deposit in the northern Aegean (Thasos, to be precise) are anything to go by and so on and so forth. For too long we have had to endure the slings and arrows of outrageous betrayal, anti-Hellenism and a generally ungrateful world who is only enlightened by virtue of us-you’re welcome guys; but now we’re going to be kicking asses-the US has already been slapped by us when it came to Afghanistan, Iraq and the NATO veto, they hold no sway over us and will never do so again as they fade into irrelevance. Likewise anyone else who messes with us. But here’s the thing people-and get it through your heads, never have we been the aggressor, never have we started any conflict, we are a benign and humane people but when push comes to shove we fight tooth and nail-Leonidas might have had 300 to fight the Persians, but 22 million or so Hellenes will fight the world to preserve its rightful historical legacy and win.

Time’s ticking FYROMistan-your countdown to annihilation has begun, so grab a Coke, sit down and shut up!

By: Pavlos from Thessaloniki

Pavlos from Thessaloniki — Thu, 29 May 2008 17:39:31 +0000

To all the fake “macedonians” from FYROM that have absolutely nothing to do with ANYTHING related to ancient macedonia:

Please come to visit the tomp of Philip, in Vergina, Alexander’s the Great father. Write the perscription in ANCIENT GREEK, written on his tomb: “Tomb of Philip the II the MACEDON, king of the G R E E K S”!

Really, why don’t you people from FYROM come to visit it??? It is just located outside the city of Veroia, just 80 kms from Thessaloniki. PLEASE COME… just to see how YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING RELATED TO ANCIENT MACEDONIA!! You are SLAVS, you speak SLAV (Bulgarian mostly…), and SLAV you will remain.

An answer to the history stealers that refer crazy things, even in here. Greece was consisted of city states like Athens, Sparta or MACEDONIA, but also was connected with the common idea of ONE NATION. THE HELLENES (Greeks). Macedonians were Greeks as much the Athenians, the Spartans or the Corinthians.

You can say lies and things that come out of your imagination, so easily that really make the whole world get sick. You have absolutely NOTHING to do with ANYTHING RELATED TO ANCIENT MACEDONIA OR ALEXANDER THE GREAT.

Accept your only one and true idenity, and stop manipulating history by claiming things that are sound even more crazy that they really are. YOU ARE SLAVS, YOU SPEAK SLAV – NO RELATION TO ANCIENT MACEDONIA AT ALL !

History cannot change so easily only because a small unimportant nation wants to “create” history for it’s own purposes, or to save itself. Accept your SLAV identity, before the ALBANIANS break you apart. (Which will happen soon…)

NO MORE HISTORY STEALERS FROM FYROM. Greece will be telling the whole world WHO YOU REALLY ARE. Even if you want to forget it and “try to create” some other identity for your people.

PLEASE COME TO SEE PHILIP’S TOMB IN VERGINA, JUST TO SEE WHO YOU REALLY ARE, AND WHO REALLY MACEDONIANS ARE (No relation between these two things…)!!

By: alex

alex — Thu, 29 May 2008 06:00:23 +0000

What are you smoking? Never heard of the battles with the Persians? Greece was composed of city-states that were
mostly minding their own affairs except for things like th e olympic games and defence against outsiders. Much like the EU except for the Commision and the common defense(nonexitstent in the EU)

By: Boban

Boban — Wed, 28 May 2008 13:15:35 +0000

I will refer on the comments about the opinion that MACEDONIANS are GREEKS. How come GREEKS never were in the HISTORY till the arrival of the ROMANS ??? Furder, till the arrival of the Romans, or till the arrival of the MACEDONIANS in HELADA, the Greeks were calling themselves HELENS (Thebans, Athenians, Spartans …..) There were no GREEKS. The ROMANS are the first who used the word GRAECI (MAGNA GRAECIA, was named the southern part of Italy because it was bigger than the Balkan part, and because it was never in the rang of a STATE).

SO, now who is making FALSE HISTORY ?????

By: schizomorph

schizomorph — Thu, 22 May 2008 23:47:42 +0000

I accept your macedonian roots, but you are also of slavic origin. That makes you a slavomacedonian. What’s wrong with that? Is it a shame to be slav?

My guess is that the problem with the term Slavomacedonia is internal in fyrom. It is because of the relatively large albanian population who are not slavomacedonian. If fyrom valled itself slavomacedonia, the albanian population would have one more reason to want to be seperated and fyrom risks loosing part of it’s territory. (second cosovo?)

I don’t believe in coincidences. I’m sure there is a masterplan at work for maximising the use of the breaking up of yugoslavia. I’m sure think tanks somewhere(I wonder where?;) has an agenda for the balkans. Quite possibly many think tanks.

I blame the neo-conservative disaster capitalists on one hand and the russian businessmen/mafia/government complex on the other for what’s happening. I think the people of both fyrom and greek public (and politicians)are purpusfully being manipulated. And I also think that when they shape the balkans the way they want it, they’l build many pipelines, military bases and missile defence systems to protect them.

The middle east is the source but there are dangers in transporting oil by sea – both environmental and strategic – and the balkans are on the way to europe(one large market) the same way afganistan is on the way to asia(another large market). The masterplan is to secure the source with strong military presence and also secure the delivery of the goods(oil) to the market. Crude oil is on 132 dollard a barrel as we speak I bet this will sound cheap in a month’s time :(

Who benefits from this? NOT the greeks public, NOT the skopjian public and actually, not even the american public!

By: hans

hans — Wed, 21 May 2008 10:26:21 +0000

First, I have seen a number of credible reports of FYR-Macedonian harassment of greek truck drivers when asked if they know what country they just entered and answer “FYROM”(the UN and mutually accepted name, by the way). Reports of mob attacking fyrom truck drivers are bogus as best-greece has an extremely free press that had no problem even reporting navy movements when the country was on the brink of war with Turkey.
Second, the whole problem with the name is not Alexander[who was obviously greek- and you do not need DNA studies for that, just ask the jews what they celebrate on Hanuka-answer, their victory against the greeks(Alexander's successors), not the Macedonians. ]
It is simply that roughly 1/4 of the greek population calls themselves Macedonian, just like Cretans or Peloponsians
and they believe they have and want to have nothing to do with slav macedonians.
So the logical thing to do is qualify the name, replace fyrom with something like “slav macedonia”,”slavoalbanian macedonia”, “nongreek Macedonia” or something along these lines, get an agreement and get done with the whole silly story. The only conceivable reason for refusal to consider such a reasonable proposal is that either fyrom harbors irredentist dreams or that it denies the right of greek macedonians call themselves macedonian.
Third, if there are minorities in EU countries and they feel they are being mistreated, then THEY should complain. Italy, Greece, Israel, Sweden or Mexico have no business complaining about the treatment of Italian-Americans, Greek-Americans, Jewish-Americans, Swedish-Americans or Mexican Americans. Based on election results, there is no credible
slavomacedonian minority in greece. Claiming a “macedonian” minority is stupid, because as said, 1/4 of the population including the prime minister calls themselves macedonian,
and they do not feel like a minority.
Fourth, questioning the relation of any nation with its past
is not going to sit well with them. In this case you do not have to do with the US, but with a country/nation that has preserved at least its language. It is very hard to accept the theory that modern and anceint greeks are unrelated, yet they speak the same language. Why would the numerous occupiers adopt that language?