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	<title>Comments on: China: Seismologist Claims Sichuan Earthquake Was Predicted</title>
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		<title>By: RC Tucker</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/15/china-seismologist-claimed-sichuan-earthquake-was-predicted/comment-page-3/#comment-1536245</link>
		<dc:creator>RC Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe there one day will be a way to foresee major earthquakes so we have a chance to move people out of harms way -- much like hurricane tracking/alert systems.  But if more structures/buildings were built to be quake proof the number of human lives spared would be remarkable.  After all, we cannot expect no civilization in earthquake prone zones ~~ natural disasters happen and will happen.  It is our job to be as prepared as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there one day will be a way to foresee major earthquakes so we have a chance to move people out of harms way &#8212; much like hurricane tracking/alert systems.  But if more structures/buildings were built to be quake proof the number of human lives spared would be remarkable.  After all, we cannot expect no civilization in earthquake prone zones ~~ natural disasters happen and will happen.  It is our job to be as prepared as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr S.N Pandey</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/15/china-seismologist-claimed-sichuan-earthquake-was-predicted/comment-page-3/#comment-1529149</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr S.N Pandey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China could reach Moon. It could as well reach Mars. It is a pity that the space based system could not reach wenchuan? Misplaced confidence in the system is responsible the scenario.
May like to see my paper: Ground Test of China&#039;s Space Based Infrastructure: Wenchuan Earthquake on:
http://www.c3sindia.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China could reach Moon. It could as well reach Mars. It is a pity that the space based system could not reach wenchuan? Misplaced confidence in the system is responsible the scenario.<br />
May like to see my paper: Ground Test of China&#8217;s Space Based Infrastructure: Wenchuan Earthquake on:<br />
<a href="http://www.c3sindia.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.c3sindia.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/15/china-seismologist-claimed-sichuan-earthquake-was-predicted/comment-page-3/#comment-1528824</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 05:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;. . . i found that &lt;b&gt;some blog hoster claiming&lt;/b&gt; that they have been fooled by Li Shihui with his fake story, one said he has logged on the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS)’s website and found there is no staff nor scientist called ‘Li Shihui’.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Posting hearsay anecdotes and gossip??  I also found some blog hoster that claimed you had brain damage from drinking too much bad milk.  I immediately dismissed that as a rumor but then made me wonder . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>. . . i found that <b>some blog hoster claiming</b> that they have been fooled by Li Shihui with his fake story, one said he has logged on the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS)’s website and found there is no staff nor scientist called ‘Li Shihui’.</p></blockquote>
<p>Posting hearsay anecdotes and gossip??  I also found some blog hoster that claimed you had brain damage from drinking too much bad milk.  I immediately dismissed that as a rumor but then made me wonder . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Dr S.N Pandey</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/15/china-seismologist-claimed-sichuan-earthquake-was-predicted/comment-page-3/#comment-1527652</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr S.N Pandey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is intersting.People have poured their mind on the issue of prediction of earthquake. What I do not understand that the PRC has quite elaborate space infrastructure in place. How it is that Formosa 3 could get imagery and the Chinese system did not have dependable inouts fdrom its space based infrstructure either related to precusors to the quake or subesequent stages of disasater management. It means either the chinese space based infrastucure lacks sophistication or there was human failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is intersting.People have poured their mind on the issue of prediction of earthquake. What I do not understand that the PRC has quite elaborate space infrastructure in place. How it is that Formosa 3 could get imagery and the Chinese system did not have dependable inouts fdrom its space based infrstructure either related to precusors to the quake or subesequent stages of disasater management. It means either the chinese space based infrastucure lacks sophistication or there was human failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Ming</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/15/china-seismologist-claimed-sichuan-earthquake-was-predicted/comment-page-3/#comment-1506978</link>
		<dc:creator>Ming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I logged on http://www.enggeo.org/pic-keg/pages/ryzc.htm ,and saw no people called Li shihui .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I logged on <a href="http://www.enggeo.org/pic-keg/pages/ryzc.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.enggeo.org/pic-keg/pages/ryzc.htm</a> ,and saw no people called Li shihui .</p>
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		<title>By: R. Ashok Kumar</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Ashok Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/15/china-seismologist-claimed-sichuan-earthquake-was-predicted/
I had predicted a major earthquake between the 13th to 20th of May 2008 a whole hydrological year in advance. I had predicted the longitude band 100-120 a week in advance. This would have been useful to proactive earthquake disaster monitoring and action authorities immensely. I base my prediction on the fact that Indian dams are causing worldwide earthquakes because of the peculiar characteristics of the Indian monsoon. See 
http://earthquakescausedbydams.blogspot.com/ and http://predictingquakes.blogspot.com/
The latter tells the story of the ability of the method in warning such authorities of the calamity. Yes, the disaster in Wenchuan could have been prevented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/15/china-seismologist-claimed-sichuan-earthquake-was-predicted/" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/15/china-seismologist-claimed-sichuan-earthquake-was-predicted/</a><br />
I had predicted a major earthquake between the 13th to 20th of May 2008 a whole hydrological year in advance. I had predicted the longitude band 100-120 a week in advance. This would have been useful to proactive earthquake disaster monitoring and action authorities immensely. I base my prediction on the fact that Indian dams are causing worldwide earthquakes because of the peculiar characteristics of the Indian monsoon. See<br />
<a href="http://earthquakescausedbydams.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://earthquakescausedbydams.blogspot.com/</a> and <a href="http://predictingquakes.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://predictingquakes.blogspot.com/</a><br />
The latter tells the story of the ability of the method in warning such authorities of the calamity. Yes, the disaster in Wenchuan could have been prevented.</p>
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		<title>By: chan</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/15/china-seismologist-claimed-sichuan-earthquake-was-predicted/comment-page-2/#comment-1473684</link>
		<dc:creator>chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abstracted From Wiki, &quot;Since 1994, Zhonghao Shou, a retired Chinese chemist living in New York, has made dozens of earthquake predictions based on cloud patterns in satellite images, and claims to have a 70% accuracy. Stress and friction in the ground can vaporize water long before the earthquake happens, according to Shou, and clouds formed through these mechanisms are distinctively shaped. He has identified five different types of earthquake cloud, including &quot;line-shaped&quot;, &quot;feather-shaped&quot;, and &quot;lantern shaped&quot; clouds. He claims that an earthquake will take place within 103 days of the appearance of one of these clouds, and that the average time is 30 days. On December 25, 2003, one day before the Bam earthquake, he predicted an earthquake of mag. 5.5+ within 60 days over a fault line in Iran. Due to this correct prediction, in May 2004, he was invited to a workshop by the UN and the Iranian Space&quot;  
Hope one day earth quake can be coorectly and accurrately predicted to prevent loss of lifes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abstracted From Wiki, &#8220;Since 1994, Zhonghao Shou, a retired Chinese chemist living in New York, has made dozens of earthquake predictions based on cloud patterns in satellite images, and claims to have a 70% accuracy. Stress and friction in the ground can vaporize water long before the earthquake happens, according to Shou, and clouds formed through these mechanisms are distinctively shaped. He has identified five different types of earthquake cloud, including &#8220;line-shaped&#8221;, &#8220;feather-shaped&#8221;, and &#8220;lantern shaped&#8221; clouds. He claims that an earthquake will take place within 103 days of the appearance of one of these clouds, and that the average time is 30 days. On December 25, 2003, one day before the Bam earthquake, he predicted an earthquake of mag. 5.5+ within 60 days over a fault line in Iran. Due to this correct prediction, in May 2004, he was invited to a workshop by the UN and the Iranian Space&#8221;<br />
Hope one day earth quake can be coorectly and accurrately predicted to prevent loss of lifes</p>
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		<title>By: hillary</title>
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		<dc:creator>hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its so sad to hear that all those children died in the schools. i saw the newspaper and none of the kindergartners survived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its so sad to hear that all those children died in the schools. i saw the newspaper and none of the kindergartners survived.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 00:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so delighted with this site - my first time here and having a blast with all these wonderful articles.

Living in Southern California - this is of great interest to me. I wish we could predict these.

The standards of building here and the retrofitting still leave a lot to be desired and I hope we have nothing to test in anytime soon. Retrofitting is taking far too long after our Northridge quake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so delighted with this site &#8211; my first time here and having a blast with all these wonderful articles.</p>
<p>Living in Southern California &#8211; this is of great interest to me. I wish we could predict these.</p>
<p>The standards of building here and the retrofitting still leave a lot to be desired and I hope we have nothing to test in anytime soon. Retrofitting is taking far too long after our Northridge quake.</p>
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		<title>By: my_mother</title>
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		<dc:creator>my_mother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 22:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meng Zhang:

I was wondering when this stuff was going to make it in to wikipedia. Fake or not, it made it in there several days ago in the &quot;Earthquake Prediction&quot; section. Check under the &quot;Earthquake prediction in China&quot; subsection. Just thought you might be interested in it. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_prediction

Anyhow, I appreciate your honesty in your response to my query above. 

The reason I posted the query above is that drought is not a unique earthquake precursor. That is, drought can occur through a multiplicity of reasons.  So there isn&#039;t a straight forward (one-to-one) correspondence between drought and earthquake. 

That kind of makes it a bit hard to use drought as a reliable earth quake predictor. So, I was kind of curious as what other variables / parameters besides drought were used. I don&#039;t have access to those articles, but I was hoping may be you or one of reader might. 

Also, whenever people make strong claims about anything when the evidence or detail is kind skimpy , we have to look at it with a certain degree of skepticism. 

At the same time, I am not arguing that the claim that the 5.12 earthquake was predicted well in advance is complete false. It is just that it&#039;s an unsubstantiated claim. It should remain so until there is evidence showing otherwise.   

So, I kind of share the same sentiment as Li above ---&quot;有本事现在把余震的时间和级别预测出来让大家看看.&quot; 

Again, thank you for your honesty.

Best
Kain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meng Zhang:</p>
<p>I was wondering when this stuff was going to make it in to wikipedia. Fake or not, it made it in there several days ago in the &#8220;Earthquake Prediction&#8221; section. Check under the &#8220;Earthquake prediction in China&#8221; subsection. Just thought you might be interested in it. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_prediction" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_prediction</a></p>
<p>Anyhow, I appreciate your honesty in your response to my query above. </p>
<p>The reason I posted the query above is that drought is not a unique earthquake precursor. That is, drought can occur through a multiplicity of reasons.  So there isn&#8217;t a straight forward (one-to-one) correspondence between drought and earthquake. </p>
<p>That kind of makes it a bit hard to use drought as a reliable earth quake predictor. So, I was kind of curious as what other variables / parameters besides drought were used. I don&#8217;t have access to those articles, but I was hoping may be you or one of reader might. </p>
<p>Also, whenever people make strong claims about anything when the evidence or detail is kind skimpy , we have to look at it with a certain degree of skepticism. </p>
<p>At the same time, I am not arguing that the claim that the 5.12 earthquake was predicted well in advance is complete false. It is just that it&#8217;s an unsubstantiated claim. It should remain so until there is evidence showing otherwise.   </p>
<p>So, I kind of share the same sentiment as Li above &#8212;&#8221;有本事现在把余震的时间和级别预测出来让大家看看.&#8221; </p>
<p>Again, thank you for your honesty.</p>
<p>Best<br />
Kain</p>
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		<title>By: fake</title>
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		<dc:creator>fake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 16:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve searched internet for the original web page and copies of Li Shihui&#039;s story, they seemed all have been banned. however, i found that some blog hoster claiming that they have been fooled by Li Shihui with his fake story, one said he has logged on the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS)&#039;s website and found there is no staff nor scientist called &#039;Li Shihui&#039;. There had been examples of people faking stories like &#039;earthquake predicted&#039; after the disaster in order to make themself famous or just for fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve searched internet for the original web page and copies of Li Shihui&#8217;s story, they seemed all have been banned. however, i found that some blog hoster claiming that they have been fooled by Li Shihui with his fake story, one said he has logged on the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS)&#8217;s website and found there is no staff nor scientist called &#8216;Li Shihui&#8217;. There had been examples of people faking stories like &#8216;earthquake predicted&#8217; after the disaster in order to make themself famous or just for fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Knights</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 14:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all learned from our mistakes.  This earthquake is a tragedy, we hope this will be a good lesson learned.  Hence earth-quake proof standards will apply to all buildings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all learned from our mistakes.  This earthquake is a tragedy, we hope this will be a good lesson learned.  Hence earth-quake proof standards will apply to all buildings.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 18:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So, what is the most effective way to deal with earth quake? Simple, make sure all the houses to be earth quake proof. That will prevent the disaster more effectively.&lt;/i&gt;

Agreed, and of course, not only houses but schools and other public buildings.  The images of students being pulled out of the rubble of collapsed schools is heart-wrenching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So, what is the most effective way to deal with earth quake? Simple, make sure all the houses to be earth quake proof. That will prevent the disaster more effectively.</i></p>
<p>Agreed, and of course, not only houses but schools and other public buildings.  The images of students being pulled out of the rubble of collapsed schools is heart-wrenching.</p>
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		<title>By: subjectivelistener</title>
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		<dc:creator>subjectivelistener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 14:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most effective way to counter Earthquake is not through prediction. Personally, I doubt that it is so easy to predict. I heard they use statistics to do it. It implies it is irregular and only PROBABILITY can be predicted. With many years working experience in dealing with statistics, I fully doubt that it is &gt;50% predictable.

So, what is the most effective way to deal with earth quake? Simple, make sure all the houses to be earth quake proof. That will prevent the disaster more effectively.

In manufacturing, we believe in preventive actions instead of check or inspection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most effective way to counter Earthquake is not through prediction. Personally, I doubt that it is so easy to predict. I heard they use statistics to do it. It implies it is irregular and only PROBABILITY can be predicted. With many years working experience in dealing with statistics, I fully doubt that it is &gt;50% predictable.</p>
<p>So, what is the most effective way to deal with earth quake? Simple, make sure all the houses to be earth quake proof. That will prevent the disaster more effectively.</p>
<p>In manufacturing, we believe in preventive actions instead of check or inspection.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 12:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wanglius,

It is a gamble either way whether or not to take precautions.  In the Qinglong case, the first precaution was to educate citizens on staying safe in an earthquake and looking for natural signs of an impending quake, a low cost measure.  When seismology readings and unusual natural phenomena like well water turning muddy and animals moving bizarrely suggested that a quake was imminent, then tents were set up about two days before the quake.  Only 60% of residents moved into the tents, so the safety tips themselves, such as keeping doors and windows open for easy escape, seemed to have helped.  In fact, that is how a visiting doctor from Qinglong managed to survive the collapse of a house in Tangshan where he was staying.  Thirty years ago, even in a large city like Tangshan, people probably could have left their doors open and felt safe, but nowadays, that is an option only for villages.

I recall reading that all the doors but one were locked in one school which collapsed with high casualties during the recent earthquake.  I&#039;d guess the doors were chained and weren&#039;t the kind of that are locked on the outside but able to be opened from the inside.  Fires are a more likely risk than earthquakes, and chaining doors in buildings where there are people inside is unsafe anywhere anytime.  

The key thing is for citizens to have access to information and make their own choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wanglius,</p>
<p>It is a gamble either way whether or not to take precautions.  In the Qinglong case, the first precaution was to educate citizens on staying safe in an earthquake and looking for natural signs of an impending quake, a low cost measure.  When seismology readings and unusual natural phenomena like well water turning muddy and animals moving bizarrely suggested that a quake was imminent, then tents were set up about two days before the quake.  Only 60% of residents moved into the tents, so the safety tips themselves, such as keeping doors and windows open for easy escape, seemed to have helped.  In fact, that is how a visiting doctor from Qinglong managed to survive the collapse of a house in Tangshan where he was staying.  Thirty years ago, even in a large city like Tangshan, people probably could have left their doors open and felt safe, but nowadays, that is an option only for villages.</p>
<p>I recall reading that all the doors but one were locked in one school which collapsed with high casualties during the recent earthquake.  I&#8217;d guess the doors were chained and weren&#8217;t the kind of that are locked on the outside but able to be opened from the inside.  Fires are a more likely risk than earthquakes, and chaining doors in buildings where there are people inside is unsafe anywhere anytime.  </p>
<p>The key thing is for citizens to have access to information and make their own choices.</p>
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