Yawn… See comment 97 above.

means ”I was wrong again but have no way out except to throw shit at you”

Mike, why dont you do yourself a favour, actually more than one favour. Why dont you:
(a) Avoid writing about football
(b) Avoid deny genocide at Srebrenica
(c) Avoid denying genocide in Chechnya
(4) Stop producing spurious pro-Kremlin propoganda(e.g. Mike claimed one of the reasons for death at Dubrovka was traffic caused by ‘phenomenal economic growth’ which led to delays in getting ambulances to hospitals. I thought myself that not informing the doctors and nurses outside beforehand about what was going to happen was to blame, but not Mike -it was the Kremlin’s economic success)

Anyway if you do the above things, you’ll never get into any trouble:-)

OJ is innocent and the UN once had a resolution stating Zionism to be a form of racism. Using your displayed “logic,” no one should question whther OJ is a murderer and that Zionism is a form of racism when that UN resolution was in effect. Propaganda aside, valid points have been raised about Srebrenica.

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“db”

You’re the one with a negative reputation issue. This perhaps explains why you mask your identity. My references to Craig and Kennan aren’t inaccurate. If you’re such an authority, you’d be able to verify this and further substantiate your contention.

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Troll Ger:

You’re a liar of the highest order. This includes clearly gross misrepresenations of what I’ve said.

You’ve “proven” nothing against me because your claims are lies. You disingenuously rehash other issues which have been soundly addressed on my part.

At this juncture, there’s no valid need for me to reply to your ongoing deceit.

Continued manner on your part further serves to reveal your warped state.

Like db just did, I refer you and interested readers to comment no 86 above. I contradicted all your points, and not only that you actually stole part of my comment to answer a question about the Russian squad over at Russia Blog. You’re a bandit of the highest order, and for someone who’s trying to have a go at my knowledge, you have no problem using that same knowledge to make you appear as though you know what you’re talking about. Proper soccer fans of any level would know that your article was rubbish and worst of all commited a major and totally unnecessary faux pas by miscaptioning a team photo. Wrong is wrong Mike, like it or not. I contradicted all your points, which included
(1) The nonsensical Peter the Great reference -Russia needed a good coach and got a foreigner. That does not make the Rossisskii Futbolnii Soyuz great innovators or anything like Pyotr Velikii.
(2) ‘Mens’ football. Its just ‘football’, only a clown like you who hasnt a clue would call it ‘mens’ football. Its not like tennis. Men are the default team and always have been. You werent being respectful, you were simply being WRONG, as is usual.
(3) The hilarious photo mistake -you couldnt even rob a photo from ESPN properly
(4) A ‘sluggish’ start -Russia were WHIPPED, TWICE by Spain. That is not sluggish. That is creamed, spanked, beaten out the gate, hammered, walloped etc, but it is not a sluggish start. Calling that performance sluggish was typical of the propoganda sprouted by you about Russia. Total shite.
(5) Look up the UEFA website. The term is ‘quarter-final’. I dont care how Americans term it; its wrong.

”RB and American Chronicle (where it was simul-posted) confirmed its great reception.”

Please post direct links to praise your articles received. Do you mean praise like you got for the Vlasov article, or praise for Alexandra and Andrew Waller?:-)
(who by the way are Mike’s sockpuppets)

”…and one can refute them simply by referring back to the original article.

I think this has been repeatedly established in this thread.”

Marko – you have to remember Mike doesnt actually care what anyone else thinks – this is of no relevance to him whatsoever – and so his antics and use of sockpuppets are to please him, not to actually prove to other readers that he is right. If the latter were the case he’d have given up long ago trying to defend Serb butchers, because that is a hopeless position. He calls me a cyber troll; his actual problem is that the spankings I’ve dished out to him, especially about Chechnya, leave him no other way to defend himself except by calling names.

Of course, there have been innumerable crimes carried out in human history, and my articles only mention a very small proportion of them, so one would think that Averko could very easily pick some historic crimes to accuse me of not having mentioned ? But no, most of the things he accuses me of ignoring, I have actually condemned.

In fact, even after I post a link, in this very thread, to an article I wrote condemning Turkish genocide-denial, he still accuses me of not having mentioned it. Either Averko is simply stupid, or he really thinks he can get away with telling blatant lies about people.

As it happens, I have never condemned Russian officials for denying the Chechen genocide, or Serbian officials for denying the Chetnik genocide. I don’t find it particularly outrageous that individual Russian, Serbian or Turkish officials might not recognise the historic genocides of which their nations were guilty.

What I do find outrageous is that a private individual, with no constraints of office, with no regime or party looking over his shoulder, would actually take the time to write articles denying the Srebrenica genocide – blaming the victims, denying the crime, apologising for the perpetrators – after this genocide has already been legally established to have taken place by two different international courts.

Only a very sick, evil individual would engage in such an enterprise.

Srebrenica deniers – like all genocide deniers, whether Serb or Croat, Russian or Turkish, British or American – are scum.

You already said exactly that (comment 69 above), I already answered (comment 72):

Given your reputation, no one here is going to take your word for anything. Could you please post the exact quote?

… I also noted Gordon Craig’s reference.

See above.

Oce again, your cite of one stated instance doesn’t appear to cover the whole period relating to the issue.

Could you please define precisely what you mean by “the whole period relating to the issue”?

Legally it was genocide and it was experienced as genocide. The question is no longer whether genocide was perpetrated, instead the question is, why do some people consistently deny genocide using arguments that have already been resolved? And implicit in that, cui bono?

Regarding your Google approach to history, Kennan acknowledges the Soviet offer to assist Czechoslovakia on page 94 of his memoirs that cover 1925-1950 (Little, Brown & Company, Boston, 1967) You’re aware of what he was doing in the 1930s? I also noted Gordon Craig’s reference.

Oce again, your cite of one stated instance doesn’t appear to cover the whole period relating to the issue.

Hoare is boring to debate with because his expressed knowledge and analysis is idiotic. Take for example his most recent blog post where he suggestively likens WW II Serb Chetnik actions to those of the Croat Ustasha. Any honest historian with knowledge on this topic knows that this is a crock. Offhand, has Hoare expressed outrage at the Croat support for the Ustasha supporting musician known as “Thompson?”

Regarding his last post, note this excerpt:

“So simply preferring to use a term other than ‘genocide’ to describe what happened to the Chechens in the 1940s does not make one a ‘genocide denier.”

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Likewise, when one earnestly questions the number killed at Srebrenica vis-à-vis how they were killed (whether by summary execution, collateral damage or as armed combatants) inclusive of ethnic background, one shouldn’t be hypocritically called a “genocide denier.” Once again, Hoare doesn’t go out of his way saying that about Turkish officials. His Turkocentric sympathies are clear cut.

There’s ample reason to doubt Hoare’s contentions. Bosnian Muslim nationalists lied about Bosnian Civil War rapes in the tens of thousands and greatly trumped up casualty figures. This was done in a clear effort on their part to get international support to their side which was losing a civil war.

So much for Hoare’s nonsense.

Spammer Mike: the above is just the usual hot air and crap from you. You dont and have never invited honest and open debate. The minute you’re questioned, you’re shouting troll. You need to grow up Mike. When Marko obviously SPANKED you here, you ran back to your mad friends at LAR and sending nasty emails. You’re the one with no balls. Beaten in debate, you resorted to dirty tactics as usual and were beaten as usual.

”Your idiotic points about the mentioned picture, Pavlyuchenko and the photo were addressed at the involved venue. Quarterfinal is fine in the American usage of the word.”

In a word, NO Mike. Wrong is wrong. You got the picture wrong, quarter-final wrong and Pavlyuchenko wrong, courtesy of EPSN, that fountain of football knowledge you visit for nourishment. Give it a rest you old crank. If you had even a basic bit of decency you’d admit the picture mess-up, but you havent the balls to. You’re stuck at age 12, lying continuously in a futile attempt to look good.

”Besides Andrew Young, there’re others more expert on football (soccer) than yourself. You haven’t contradicted the points raised by me in that piece you attempt to refute. Hence, your displayed ignorance on the subject.”

As for the first point, well there are 6 billion football fans in the world so that claim is quite likely to be true. I cant make any comment on Andy, its just a cheap Averko tactic to cause trouble. As for the second claim, you havent a clue and this was graphically illustrated in my comment above
of june 21st. Just to recap, you:

(1) Couldnt even rob a picture from ESPN properly, wrongly labelling it from Euro 2008
(2) Claimed that the hiring of Hiddink was like Peter the Great going abroad, ignoring the fact that there was nobody left in Russia qualified to do the job who hadnt actually fucked it up already. It was a desperate move that did work for the Russians, but its costing them $3m a year, so it would better have worked. An inspirational move? No. The whole world would like Hiddink as coach. Russia just followed a trend, years after everyone else.
(3) Actually plagiarised parts of my June 21st comment to answer a comment at Russia Blog, trying to pass yourself as knowledgable. Pathetic stuff. Any time you need more help, you could just email and I’ll give it to you:-)
(4) Dont know the difference between Manezh Square and Red Square in Moscow, clearly proving you’ve never been to either.

I could go on but the thread isnt about football, so to sum up, you havent a clue and were found out and are now flailing around like a madman. Stop Mike, for your own health. To be honest this whole football incident makes me wonder do you know anything about any subjects you write about. If you’re willing to chance something like that with Europeans, you’ll chance anything I’d say.

”RB and American Chronicle (where it was simul-posted) confirmed its great reception.”

Actually there was one comment from someone at Russia Blog correcting you over the photo just like I did. Any more? A ‘great reception’? I dont think so!!

”Football is played by many women. I was being respectful. Something which you appear to lack.”

You werent being respectful, you were simply being wrong. Nobody calls soccer ‘mens’ football. Its just football, or women’s football. There is no sexism in this at all, its just the way it is. Only someone with no knowledge would call it ‘mens football’.

”This partly had to do with the article announcing information that was of great interest to others.”

Unless I’m mistaken I actually said well done to you for announcing the game, the only thing you got right.

Now, as for genocide, i think its quite clear above that me and Marko have called the deportations genocidal acts. I dont actually know where you’ve pulled that comment from, but be under no illusions; I do NOT agree with you. You’re the type of idiot who called the First Chechen War justified. You just havent a clue and are heartless to boot. Shame on you.

“Based on Marko Attila Hoare’s blog post on the subject, you can be considered a genocide denier for accepting Doss’ view about the Chechen and Crimean Tatar deportations (one that I don’t disagree with).”

Yet again, Averko is writing nonsense. In my article on Armenian genocide, linked to above, I wrote:

“Let us be clear about this: genocide deniers are not simply those who prefer to use a term other than ‘genocide’ – such as ’systematic mass-murder’ or ‘extermination’ – when describing what happened to the Armenians, or to the Rwandan Tutsis in 1994, or to the Srebrenica Muslims in 1995. Rather, a true genocide-denier is one who, in the course of denying that a genocide occurred, seeks to whitewash the crime, minimise its magnitude and the tragedy of the victims, and usually also to shift the blame away from the perpetrators and on to the victims themselves.”

So simply preferring to use a term other than ‘genocide’ to describe what happened to the Chechens in the 1940s does not make one a ‘genocide denier’. To be a denier, you have to apologise, minimise, whitewash, blame the victims, etc.

One of several reasons why Averko is very boring to debate with, is that he attacks people without bothering to read what they have written, so his accusations are invariably groundless, and one can refute them simply by referring back to the original article.

I think this has been repeatedly established in this thread.

This “genocide denier” label is bogus in its selective application. I don’t see Bosnian Muslim nationalist propagandists using it on Turkish officials.

As for the referenced Greek attorney, I’d like to hear from him direct. On morality issues, how about the Ustasha Croat sympathizing musician “Thompson.”

“What aboutism” in that Global Voices seems to have a politically selective way of covering issues.