Comments on: Georgia: War with Russia? http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/ The world is talking. Are you listening? Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:04:52 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Global Voices Online » Caucasus: 2008 Blog Review http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-3/#comment-1541499 Global Voices Online » Caucasus: 2008 Blog Review Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:29:35 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1541499 [...] Georgia in particular, on the front pages of every newspaper in the world. Although bloggers had speculated in May that war with Russia might break out over the breakaway region of Abkhazia, few expected fighting to occur in another disputed territory [...] [...] Georgia in particular, on the front pages of every newspaper in the world. Although bloggers had speculated in May that war with Russia might break out over the breakaway region of Abkhazia, few expected fighting to occur in another disputed territory [...]

]]> By: David Dzidzikashvili http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-1507879 David Dzidzikashvili Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:22:57 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1507879 The Georgian government did not start the war and did not fire the first shot! The Georgian government has been saying since beginning of August 2008 that the situation in South Ossetia is escalating and the Russian “peacekeepers” are staging provocations together with illegal armed forces of South Ossetian separatist regime. They started killing Georgian police officers and firing artillery shells at the Georgian villages located in South Ossetia, but the world was preoccupied with getting ready for the opening ceremony of Beijing 2008 Olympics. When the Georgian government officials told the Europeans in Brussels that we were at the brink of war, the Europeans politely warned the Georgians not to use the word “war” in the city of Brussels, because they do not like the word “war.” It seems that old Europe is getting older each day and with the age, because numerous warnings and cries by the Georgian officials fell on the deaf ears of old Europe. Never mind the fact that it took Hitler conquering Poland and Czechoslovakia, before the Western Europe realized this was a war. And what about the Americans? The American society is in the midst of elections, the Democrats want to see Europe take more responsibility for security in Caucasus region, the Republicans are divided and worried about gay marriage and abortion rights… The friends of Georgia in new Europe are trying everything to force the old Europe take harsher approach towards Russia, but Europe is dependent on Russian natural gas and oil. Giving up on a young democracy does not seem plausible for the Europeans, but the old Europe is scared of the new Russian bear. The new Russia is controlled by a xenophobic psychopath who has decided to break all the rules of the game, in order to change those rules. And the question comes: how can you stop a bully? Everyone can keep condemning the Russian government, but that paper will wind up in Putin’s toilet again… The only way to stop a bully is bully up against the bully – simple rule of life. With the recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the Russian government has proven the world that they will violate international laws whenever they feel like it and they will use aggression in the name of peace as they did in Prague 1968. If the world would not stand up for Georgia, who will be the next prey of the hungry Russian bear? Maybe Ukraine? Or Moldova? Or who knows… The Russian government is as unpredictable as the weather in England… The Georgian people are united and stand united, we have survived the onslaught by Mongols, Persians, Arabs, Turk-Seljuks throughout the history and we have still survived and we are not scared of the Russian bear either. Just last question to Mr. Putin. Mr. Putin, if you are so concerned about the freedom of small minorities, why not recognize the independence of Chechnya? Then Daghestan? Then Ingushetia? And then all the other autonomous republics where the citizens do not even speak Russian? Think about that at first and then lets discuss the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, after 300,000 Georgian refugees return to their own homes. And to my fellow Abkhazian and South Ossetian brothers and sisters. Yes, there will be dancing and celebration in Sokhumi and Tskinvali, Yes you will be smiling and waving flags - Georgian flags of course…. The Georgian government did not start the war and did not fire the first shot!

The Georgian government has been saying since beginning of August 2008 that the situation in South Ossetia is escalating and the Russian “peacekeepers” are staging provocations together with illegal armed forces of South Ossetian separatist regime. They started killing Georgian police officers and firing artillery shells at the Georgian villages located in South Ossetia, but the world was preoccupied with getting ready for the opening ceremony of Beijing 2008 Olympics.

When the Georgian government officials told the Europeans in Brussels that we were at the brink of war, the Europeans politely warned the Georgians not to use the word “war” in the city of Brussels, because they do not like the word “war.” It seems that old Europe is getting older each day and with the age, because numerous warnings and cries by the Georgian officials fell on the deaf ears of old Europe. Never mind the fact that it took Hitler conquering Poland and Czechoslovakia, before the Western Europe realized this was a war.

And what about the Americans? The American society is in the midst of elections, the Democrats want to see Europe take more responsibility for security in Caucasus region, the Republicans are divided and worried about gay marriage and abortion rights… The friends of Georgia in new Europe are trying everything to force the old Europe take harsher approach towards Russia, but Europe is dependent on Russian natural gas and oil.

Giving up on a young democracy does not seem plausible for the Europeans, but the old Europe is scared of the new Russian bear. The new Russia is controlled by a xenophobic psychopath who has decided to break all the rules of the game, in order to change those rules. And the question comes: how can you stop a bully? Everyone can keep condemning the Russian government, but that paper will wind up in Putin’s toilet again… The only way to stop a bully is bully up against the bully – simple rule of life.

With the recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the Russian government has proven the world that they will violate international laws whenever they feel like it and they will use aggression in the name of peace as they did in Prague 1968. If the world would not stand up for Georgia, who will be the next prey of the hungry Russian bear? Maybe Ukraine? Or Moldova? Or who knows… The Russian government is as unpredictable as the weather in England…

The Georgian people are united and stand united, we have survived the onslaught by Mongols, Persians, Arabs, Turk-Seljuks throughout the history and we have still survived and we are not scared of the Russian bear either.

Just last question to Mr. Putin. Mr. Putin, if you are so concerned about the freedom of small minorities, why not recognize the independence of Chechnya? Then Daghestan? Then Ingushetia? And then all the other autonomous republics where the citizens do not even speak Russian? Think about that at first and then lets discuss the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, after 300,000 Georgian refugees return to their own homes.

And to my fellow Abkhazian and South Ossetian brothers and sisters. Yes, there will be dancing and celebration in Sokhumi and Tskinvali, Yes you will be smiling and waving flags – Georgian flags of course….

]]> By: Rob http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-1504830 Rob Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:30:57 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1504830 If South Ossetia can become independent then so can Chechnya.They are the same situation. Putin - the real leader - should spend money on decreasing Russain poverty not military conquest. If South Ossetia can become independent then so can Chechnya.They are the same situation. Putin – the real leader – should spend money on decreasing Russain poverty not military conquest.

]]> By: Snegovique http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-1500193 Snegovique Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:33:07 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1500193 Dear friends. Please do save yourselves from calling or meaning someone a fascist. Here in Russia I watch the unseemly situation of one-sided interpretation of conflict. I suppose the same problem is in the West countries too. It's our own average citizen's fault. We are not enough emphatical to demand the opposite information. We all are sure Hitler, BinLaden are the bad guys, but who of us know their ideas. These examples seem as simple. But Saddam, Milosevich, NorthKoren leader, Akhmadinejad, don't you consider them new evil incarnation. Remember we didn't learn their opinions or ideas or points of view without someones interpretation. Where's the freedom of speech? As about Russian-Georgian conflict it seems for me as any subject of global politics must manage adhering to the rules equal for all. When it wouldn't take place it might cause the priority of power. Thus I am by Russian side in this case (not in any), because the law was not broken. More to say russians have no possibilities not to exercise their right to use the force and ignore georgian abuse of sovereignty. Dear friends. Please do save yourselves from calling or meaning someone a fascist. Here in Russia I watch the unseemly situation of one-sided interpretation of conflict. I suppose the same problem is in the West countries too. It’s our own average citizen’s fault. We are not enough emphatical to demand the opposite information. We all are sure Hitler, BinLaden are the bad guys, but who of us know their ideas. These examples seem as simple. But Saddam, Milosevich, NorthKoren leader, Akhmadinejad, don’t you consider them new evil incarnation. Remember we didn’t learn their opinions or ideas or points of view without someones interpretation. Where’s the freedom of speech? As about Russian-Georgian conflict it seems for me as any subject of global politics must manage adhering to the rules equal for all. When it wouldn’t take place it might cause the priority of power. Thus I am by Russian side in this case (not in any), because the law was not broken. More to say russians have no possibilities not to exercise their right to use the force and ignore georgian abuse of sovereignty.

]]> By: Bapi http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-1499947 Bapi Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:43:11 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1499947 If Iraq - Iran can be penalized so that they do not become strong against Isreal. Russia too has the right to consolidate its position in its nieghbourhood and seek guartee to its security from nato forces so close to it. Lets not forget that this is what U.S.A. tried to do when Cuba went for stragetic partner with U.S.S.R. . The world really needs Russia to become more secure and strong. If Iraq – Iran can be penalized so that they do not become strong against Isreal. Russia too has the right to consolidate its position in its nieghbourhood and seek guartee to its security from nato forces so close to it. Lets not forget that this is what U.S.A. tried to do when Cuba went for stragetic partner with U.S.S.R. . The world really needs Russia to become more secure and strong.

]]> By: ChrisJ http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-1499913 ChrisJ Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:08:29 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1499913 Dmitry, I know for a fact that the reason Georgia went into Ossetia was due to separatists who kept firing on Georgia. provocation my friend. Plus Russia wants to control the region meaning no NATO. Not to mention the oil pipelines that Russia owns and the one it does not that runs from the Caspian sea to the Mediterranean sea. Plus Russia wants to send this war as a warning to Israel for having built a factory to upgrade the georgian military. Dmitry, I know for a fact that the reason Georgia went into Ossetia was due to separatists who kept firing on Georgia. provocation my friend. Plus Russia wants to control the region meaning no NATO. Not to mention the oil pipelines that Russia owns and the one it does not that runs from the Caspian sea to the Mediterranean sea.

Plus Russia wants to send this war as a warning to Israel for having built a factory to upgrade the georgian military.

]]> By: Katya http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-1499686 Katya Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:19:53 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1499686 All you people, who said that Russia is guilty are SO wrong. You, sit in front of your computers somewhere in the place where you hardly hear anything about the war! I'm russian, and it's clear for everybody here that the USA gave some directions to Georgia to attack South Osetia. And georgian government is totally stupid if they think that they can fight Russia. All you people, who said that Russia is guilty are SO wrong. You, sit in front of your computers somewhere in the place where you hardly hear anything about the war! I’m russian, and it’s clear for everybody here that the USA gave some directions to Georgia to attack South Osetia. And georgian government is totally stupid if they think that they can fight Russia.

]]> By: Seliverstaff http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-1499136 Seliverstaff Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:23:33 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1499136 Sorry, this may be not on the theme... but I am really interested in saying the truth... People, listen please. I have a poor English, but it is my duty to tell the truth. Nowadays American and world press say that Russia attacked poor Georgia. That is not true. My old friend lives there and he approves the info from Russian TV. Georgians attacked Osetia, maybe it's a plan of CIA, currently it is not known. Georgian artillery degan to strike the Russian MP base in Osetia when the Olympic games just began.There where only few Russians, but they managed to stay alive and to confront Georgians during operation of taking Chinvali. All videos, which are translated as a Russian attack on Tbilisi-are fake. That is Georgian aircraft attacking Chinvali. Only on that night 1500 Osetians where dead... Awfull. It is proved, that Georgian army killed wounded Russian MP's and Osetian kids/women. Kisten for Osetians themselvs-tyey are grateful to Russian soldiers, who protected them. Look where they wanna go-it is Russia. Obviousely Russian side has the true in this argue. If you protect Saakashvili-you are a fascist. That means you protect Hitler-because Saakashvili initianed genocide of Osetians. All other news are US fake. Sorry, this may be not on the theme… but I am really interested in saying the truth…
People, listen please. I have a poor English, but it is my duty to tell the truth. Nowadays American and world press say that Russia attacked poor Georgia. That is not true. My old friend lives there and he approves the info from Russian TV. Georgians attacked Osetia, maybe it’s a plan of CIA, currently it is not known. Georgian artillery degan to strike the Russian MP base in Osetia when the Olympic games just began.There where only few Russians, but they managed to stay alive and to confront Georgians during operation of taking Chinvali. All videos, which are translated as a Russian attack on Tbilisi-are fake. That is Georgian aircraft attacking Chinvali. Only on that night 1500 Osetians where dead… Awfull. It is proved, that Georgian army killed wounded Russian MP’s and Osetian kids/women. Kisten for Osetians themselvs-tyey are grateful to Russian soldiers, who protected them. Look where they wanna go-it is Russia. Obviousely Russian side has the true in this argue. If you protect Saakashvili-you are a fascist. That means you protect Hitler-because Saakashvili initianed genocide of Osetians. All other news are US fake.

]]> By: Maxx http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-1498971 Maxx Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:45:47 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1498971 I Russian. And at us in the country bears do not walk the streets also not all drink vodka since morning and till the evening. Moreover not all country hates America and Americans and we do not want war. I understand your indignation after all your opinion on a situation is formed by news and the TV. However having seen sites BBC and CNN, and also articles with descriptions of occurring events in a zone Georgian - the Osset conflict I have come to a conclusion that at the situation description many facts are considerably deformed by your correspondents and leaders of news, and many is rather considerable, practically on 180 degrees. Russia is shown practically as an aggressor attacked on poor and defenceless Georgia which only put things in order in the province, pacifying as is told on your site of "separatists". While Russia has acted with the help to fraternal people to reflect attack of aggressors and to prevent occupation of Ossetia by the Georgian armies. That further would lead to civil war in region, and Georgia inspired with success certainly would continue the party of other unrecognized republic of Abkhazia in aggression. That does not speak that Russia is interested in the peace, and all forces are directed on that not to allow Georgia to grasp independent (let and not recognised) republic that in itself is a crime against humanity. The main news on site BBC at present is the information on an attack of the Russian air forces on Gori, also it is mentioned victims among the peace population of Georgia. However about more than 2000!!! The killed Ossetins why that the information is extremely poor. About that that Georgia the first has launched war having attacked at night a peace city also is ignored, are silent also fighters of special groups of Georgia which shower with pomegranates of women and children of buildings escaping in cellars from aggressors. Certainly the truth do not write and in Russian-speaking editions, there too muddle the information, demonizing Saakashvilis and show a situation from foreshortenings favourable that the public opinion of citizens of Russia developed against Georgia and the USA supporting it. Simply understand that at each medal two parties and it is impossible to judge on a situation leaning against news presented English-speaking to mass media I Russian. And at us in the country bears do not walk the streets also not all drink vodka since morning and till the evening. Moreover not all country hates America and Americans and we do not want war. I understand your indignation after all your opinion on a situation is formed by news and the TV. However having seen sites BBC and CNN, and also articles with descriptions of occurring events in a zone Georgian – the Osset conflict I have come to a conclusion that at the situation description many facts are considerably deformed by your correspondents and leaders of news, and many is rather considerable, practically on 180 degrees. Russia is shown practically as an aggressor attacked on poor and defenceless Georgia which only put things in order in the province, pacifying as is told on your site of “separatists”. While Russia has acted with the help to fraternal people to reflect attack of aggressors and to prevent occupation of Ossetia by the Georgian armies. That further would lead to civil war in region, and Georgia inspired with success certainly would continue the party of other unrecognized republic of Abkhazia in aggression. That does not speak that Russia is interested in the peace, and all forces are directed on that not to allow Georgia to grasp independent (let and not recognised) republic that in itself is a crime against humanity. The main news on site BBC at present is the information on an attack of the Russian air forces on Gori, also it is mentioned victims among the peace population of Georgia. However about more than 2000!!! The killed Ossetins why that the information is extremely poor. About that that Georgia the first has launched war having attacked at night a peace city also is ignored, are silent also fighters of special groups of Georgia which shower with pomegranates of women and children of buildings escaping in cellars from aggressors. Certainly the truth do not write and in Russian-speaking editions, there too muddle the information, demonizing Saakashvilis and show a situation from foreshortenings favourable that the public opinion of citizens of Russia developed against Georgia and the USA supporting it. Simply understand that at each medal two parties and it is impossible to judge on a situation leaning against news presented English-speaking to mass media

]]> By: Dmitry http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-1498693 Dmitry Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:15:59 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1498693 People of the world. You deceive! World mass media conduct propagation of a false information. 07.08.2008 at 22:00 Georgia has attacked South Ossetia. At 3:30 08.08.2008 tanks of the Georgian armies have entered into city Tskhinvali. Artillery bombardment all the day long proceeded, fights with use of tanks and heavy combat material, both against ossetic armies, and against peace inhabitants were conducted. 1400 civil people already were lost. The Russian peacemakers have arrived to South Ossetia in the evening 08.08.2008 for settlement of the conflict and prompting of the world in republic and protection of the Russian citizens living on territory of South Ossetia. Defendind of Osetia is the duty of peacemakers. Because Georgia started the war and broke peace. Now Tskhinvali is lying in ruins... Many children are dead... Do you want to support Georgia and kill civil people? People of the world. You deceive! World mass media conduct propagation of a false information.

07.08.2008 at 22:00 Georgia has attacked South Ossetia. At 3:30 08.08.2008 tanks of the Georgian armies have entered into city Tskhinvali.

Artillery bombardment all the day long proceeded, fights with use of tanks and heavy combat material, both against ossetic armies, and against peace inhabitants were conducted. 1400 civil people already were lost.

The Russian peacemakers have arrived to South Ossetia in the evening 08.08.2008 for settlement of the conflict and prompting of the world in republic and protection of the Russian citizens living on territory of South Ossetia. Defendind of Osetia is the duty of peacemakers. Because Georgia started the war and broke peace.

Now Tskhinvali is lying in ruins… Many children are dead… Do you want to support Georgia and kill civil people?

]]> By: dnc http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-1498370 dnc Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:49:33 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1498370 During the night of Aug. 8, Georgia at the beginning of the massive bombardment of South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali, as well as the nearby settlements. As a result, innocent civilians have been killed over 1000 people including women, children and the elderly. Among the 12 Russian peacekeepers killed more than 50 wounded. People should know the truth! During the night of Aug. 8, Georgia at the beginning of the massive bombardment of South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali, as well as the nearby settlements. As a result, innocent civilians have been killed over 1000 people including women, children and the elderly. Among the 12 Russian peacekeepers killed more than 50 wounded. People should know the truth!

]]> By: Asd http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-1/#comment-1498144 Asd Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:26:08 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1498144 Russia is most agressive country in the world, formely soviet union started the WW2 by supporting the Hitler, now russia suports all the enemies of democratic world, adn trying to destabilize global situation :EEEE Russia is most agressive country in the world, formely soviet union started the WW2 by supporting the Hitler, now russia suports all the enemies of democratic world, adn trying to destabilize global situation :EEEE

]]> By: martyr http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-1/#comment-1498121 martyr Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:38:55 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1498121 Saakashvilly tells that US gave him money to help to kill all enemies in Osetia and god blessed him. http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/8302/25123985me0.png Saakashvilly tells that US gave him money to help to kill all enemies in Osetia and god blessed him.
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]]> By: Ron http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-1/#comment-1463441 Ron Fri, 30 May 2008 01:48:25 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1463441 Why Kosovo? And not Abkhazia? Let the Abkhazians have their own state. If they want. No double standards. By allowing Kosovo to break away illegaly the West has changed the rules. The West should now also support Abkhazia. And Tibet... And Kurdistan... And the Tamils... And... Why Kosovo? And not Abkhazia? Let the Abkhazians have their own state. If they want.

No double standards. By allowing Kosovo to break away illegaly the West has changed the rules. The West should now also support Abkhazia.

And Tibet…

And Kurdistan…

And the Tamils…

And…

]]> By: Armenia & the South Caucasus | The Caucasian Knot » Blog Archive » Georgia Votes for New Parliament http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/comment-page-1/#comment-1457872 Armenia & the South Caucasus | The Caucasian Knot » Blog Archive » Georgia Votes for New Parliament Wed, 21 May 2008 09:25:28 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/07/georgia-war-with-russia/#comment-1457872 [...] in the blogosphere with even TOL Georgia seemingly quiet — for now, at least. Of course, recent concerns in Abkhazia obviously overshadow a parliamentary vote although you might think they would also demand more [...] [...] in the blogosphere with even TOL Georgia seemingly quiet — for now, at least. Of course, recent concerns in Abkhazia obviously overshadow a parliamentary vote although you might think they would also demand more [...]

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