Look at this add and read. I cannot read mandarin and judge yourself. I am neither interested in telling lies or propaganda like communist is bent on doing.

The so called dialogue has been going on since 1979 without any result. Chinese have been using it just to fool the Tibetan and world.

http://www.rfa.org/tibetan/multimedia/employment-agency-ad-in-lhasa-05062008105002.html

Millions? And the western media DOES pay a lot of attention, however, there have been far bigger slaughters in the world to pay attention to. Nazis, Stalin, and most of all….MAO, all killed far more people than the Japs did in China. Before anyone in China can expect any sympathy on for the Japanese invasion, they have to confront the more recent (yet somehow conveniently forgettable) slaughter that was Mao’s rise to power.

Do you have a source of your “News”? or you may stop spreading the lies.

Why don’t you sub it to CNN & BBC, they will be more than happy to spread you lies to a much wider audience.

People here is trying to carry a sincere dialogue to understand each other, nobody has time to waste on your lies.

-We need free speech to educate the prejudice westerners only if they are willing to listen, otherwise it’s pointless. It’s like singing to cows
-We need free speech to get our voices heard by western medias,
-We need free speech to practice patriotism to our country in time of crisis (i.e. westerners sabotaging the torch relays) without being called names such as brained-washed CCP machines/goons/thugs/yellow perils.

YES, WE NEED FREE SPEECH from people who only allow free speech to people who are pro-double standard systems ~democratics!!!!!

I think I see your viewpoints. Thank you for sharing them with me.

I am for Tibet just because they have something to say and are physically suppressed or legally prohibtted from saying it. Somebody thinks they have rights to prohibit others from saying what others would like to. And everybody admits it. It’s awful. Nobody has any rights to silence anybody.

You wrote, “As you know, China itself does not have free speech and religion, yet most people have came to accept that”. This I cannot admit. This is not the case. I sound arrogant, just wishing I am not, by asking: Do you know the meaning of not having free speech and religion? That means force everybody to lie, to say what they don’t really think. It’s real hypocracy, corrupting everybody. Even if you say Chinese accept that, I will never believe it. I never believe Chinese people accept that their beloved country does not have free speech. My hope is on your saying not all people accept the situation.

Lacking of free speech unstabilizes your society and give pains to many people. The Tibetan incident is just an example of this. I believe this warns Chinese people that you need free speech and religion. All these things happened to us, Japanese, several decades ago. Our fathers and mothers suffered terribly between around 1930 and 1945.

This is it. And this is not a thread for free speech, but for the torch relaly in Japan. Incidentally, Japanese were totally frustrated with the conducts and words by Japanese policemen in Nagano. They don’t have fear at all of any arrest and imprisonment for saying so. They can say whatever they would like to in Japan. We can thus have a clue to our own reality. This is a free speech. As you say Chinese netizens may be for this, but I doubt if they know what they are for. If you are giving up free speech for any cause, I must say you’re going against yourself and your kind. I believe in free speech, the ultimate value in our society, as it will pave the way for not telling a lie but be honest to each other. I will stop here.

First of all, thanks for the links on Uyghur info. As a Chinese I am personally against splitist activities but it’s always good to explore viewpoints from those who disagree with you.

I do not want to write too much on the tibet issue as this thread is more about japan, but I am curious to your reasoning here behind your position to support Tibet. As you know, China itself does not have free speech and religion, yet most people have came to accept that. So you will achieve little in trying to convince the ordinary Chinese that Tibetans are suffocating under free speech and religion because most will tell you that they are okay with it.

Second, from the ordinary Chinese’s point of view there is little or no benefit in giving more special rights to minority groups. If you have been to China before, you will surely hear from many Hans that they already think the government is playing favorites against Hans for the minorities.

IMO, Free Tibet movement’s us vs them mentality worsens this problem because it fuels nationalistic sentiments from both sides. The Free Tibet movement also divides and puts people who otherwise share similar goals to be against each other. Take freedom of speech for example, if there is Freedom of speech in China then Tibetans AND Chinese could both benefit, but if you only argue for free of speech for Tibetans, you will appear one sided and thus your cause will be lost. Chinese Netizens were largely for Free speech, yet because of the whole Free Tibet movement now many Chinese netizens support government’s crackdown on free speech. I am obviously against Tibet independence, but I do share some fundamental goals with those of the Tibetans. It’s a pity that the Free Tibet movement could not exploit the commonality between Hans and Tibetans, instead the movement is becoming East vs West, Chinese vs Tibetans, China vs. Everyone else. In such an environment, even when I do understand Tibetans’ pain I will side against them in order to defend myself and my kind.

I would like to answer to your figurative questions, explaining why people are calling free speech for Tibetans.

There is an important difference.

I believe United States as well as Japan is a country where nobody can arrest and sentence to any penalties the native Americans and the African ones just for their own sake, or any person who stands by them for doing so.

Nobody can unilaterally declare anybody else to be ILLEGAL in Japan and U.S. This sounds hypocrite, but this is a critically important prinicple for our free, happy living. So that IS stipulated by an objective law, not according to temporary policy of a government, nor in accordance with a ruler’s way of thinking. If you are illegal, you know, you have to be eliminated from your society. I have a question. Do you really believe somebody just saying what they think DESERVES to be declared illegal and to be removed?

There have been lots of pains and fights in order to acquire this important principle of free speech here and there. Without them, I doubt we would be able to make it our own.

We are not fighting for Tibetans in general, but for a free Tibet, that is, to establish a state of things where the Tibetans can say anything they like without a fear of being legally accused of what they are saying.

I always remember that when Reuter reporters visited a monastery in Lhasa after the incidence, that the monks suddenly came up and told them that they just need a free happy life there. What happened to them? This tells you what China is being like.

For your reference on this topic,

http://www.uyghurcongress.org/En/news.asp?mid=-2139923529

Perhaps, what they would like to say is reflected by this

http://www.uyghurcongress.org/En/news.asp?ItemID=1209231116&rcid=803688565&pcid=1110134820&cid=803688565&mid=-2139923529

No affence, but in the way you are saying, all the 56 enthic groups in China should be set free, because they have some unsatisfaction toward the government. Han should be set free from the government especially, because they suffer the most.
Martin Luther King didn’t try to set all the african-american free and build another independant country, instead, he worked all his life to help creating a pleasant environment living in US together with white people.

China is far less strong and powerful from the US, that’s why people always try to split this country in parts, using all kinds of excuses.
In the riot of Tibet, as all the infromation I’v got (and not all from CCTV of course), I believe this was planned by some violent people from “tibet youth congress”, they beat people in the street, and burnt houses down door by door. Innocent civillian, both tibetan and Han, were killed in the chaos. Who are the victims? I suggest you to think over more carefully before you jump to any judgement. Your medias are not so trustable also, see the following website if you don’t believe me.
http://www.anti-cnn.coom

We may have many problems awaiting to be solved, and our people may have many flaws, but after all, I look forward to your understanding and respect to my people. It sucks when somebody don’t even know me, and just assume me as a “brainwashed idiot” just because my Chinese identity. That is racial discrimination.