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Taiwan: Support for Tibet

For Tibetan independence movement, most Taiwanese support and sympathize Tibetans, and many people changed their twitter profile figure to the flag of Tibet which represents Tibetan independence movement.

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‘Free Tibet' (Photo courtesy of skydaughter.)

Many artists, writers, musicians, and social movement participants held ‘Bringing love to Tibet' to pray for Tibetans:

多年來,台灣年輕志工的身影,經常出現在全球各地需要協助的所在。如今,與台灣只隔著中國的西藏,受到暴力鎮壓,台灣年輕人感同身受,決心挺身聲援,用音樂、詩歌聲援西藏。

Young volunteers from Taiwan have worked overseas wherever help is needed. Now Tibet is violently oppressed by China, and these young Taiwanese identify ourselves with the Tibetans. We decided to support Tibetans, by our music and poems.

Compared to other countries, Tibetan independence movement has a very special meaning for Taiwan. Most of the discussions are based on empathy, because Taiwan and Tibet are both threatened and manipulated by China. Terry said,

我個人很畏懼這個國家(中國)過往的殘酷紀錄,我高中時爆發的天安門事件,根據現在許多的證據顯示,當年天安門事件的確出動了軍隊鎮壓,並且開槍殺死了許多人民,對於這樣一個雙手沾滿血腥的鄰居,我只用戒慎恐懼來形容。

I am afraid of this country (China) due to its past records of cruelty. When I was in high school, there was Tiananmen Square protests. A lot of evidence shows that there was military oppression in Tiananmen square, and many people were killed. Facing this neighbor with blood in its hand, I am afraid and alert.

我身邊有許多人說:我們有中文語言的優勢,我們不應該自絕跟這個鄰居做生意,讓自己經濟繁榮的機會。但如果這樣的經濟繁榮機會,最後卻讓自己陷入被鎮壓、同時無法擁有民主自由的現在,我會寧可選擇保守一點,日子苦一點無所謂,但我想要高興談論、自由呼吸自由存在。

Many people said that we should not put restrains on ourselves and give up the opportunity of prosperity by doing business with this neighbor since we have the niche of using the same language. However, if the opportunity of prosperity comes with oppression and loss of democracy and freedom, I will choose to be conservative. Living a poor life is all right, if I can speak, breath, and live happily and freely.

Some people reflected Taiwan's history and compared its own oppressed past with Tibetan independence movement. Judie said, Tibetans are in their 228 Massacre.

圖博人正在經歷他們的二二八,與外來統治者展開艱難的鬥爭。[…]他們的行動被統治者誤解、汙衊,無辜者的血繼續流,傷痕正在加深…….

Tibetans are experiencing their 228 Massacre, making a difficult stand against the foreign ruler.[…] Their independence movement is misunderstood and slandered. The blood from these innocent people keeps running and the hurt is deepened.

Many people criticized the mass media in Taiwan. Jas took blocking the news about Tibet for example and said, because the sources and gatekeepers are different, this independence movement is reported differently.

(中國)過去稱六四天安門為一小撮人,稱台獨為一小撮人,如今又同樣以一小撮人來指涉被迫害的西藏人。

(China) said there were only ‘a few' people joining Tiananmen Square protests and there are only ‘a few' people supporting the independence of Taiwan, and now they referred to the oppressed Tibetans as ‘a few' again.

Tucci in Germany compared the news about Tibet in Taiwan and Germany, and said the news is obviously less in Taiwan than in Germany.

一個國家動用軍警武力殺害抗議的人民,是對人權最赤裸的摧殘與蔑視;[…]我想這件事的歷史重要性不會在六四天安門之下,但很遺憾的是,國內的主要媒體的新聞處理淡很多,跟德國所有全國性的媒體統統頭版處理差別實在很大。

A country that uses its military to kill the protesters is depreciating and ruining human right.[…] I think this independence movement will be as important as Tiananmen Square protests. However, I am sorry to see the major media in Taiwan did not take it seriously, which is very different from how German media treats it.

Sindia in Beijing talked about the information blockage in China.

有人問我北京人對西藏事件的看法,在這種情形下,北京人連西藏發生了什麼事恐怕都不知道,知道的也就是一面倒的聲音,若干藏民暴徒挑起暴亂,傷害無辜漢族百姓,達賴在背後策動,目的是要搗亂奧運,爭取獨立。這就是所有來自中國媒體的新聞角度,在這種情形下,北京一般民眾,還能有什麼看法?

Some people asked me how people in Beijing view this Tibetan independence movement. Under this condition, most people in Beijing don't know what happens in Tibet. If some of them know, they only know that some Tibetans evoked violence and hurt innocent Han people, and Dalai Lama have orchestrated it to ruin the Olympic Games in Beijing and for their independence. This is what mass media in China said. In this condition, what do you think people in Beijing can comment?

Although China government blocks the information, due to the advance of technology, some people in China tries to use instant messanger and twitter to see people's comment about the protest in Tibet, even though they are confused or unhappy. A message in zola may show some people's opinions:

西藏現在需要的,是健康的發展和對藏文化的保護,以及西藏問題的和平解決,罈子裡這些喊打喊殺的兄弟,如果你們有一個真正的藏族朋友,也許你們就不會說那些話了。

What Tibet needs is healthy development, protecting their culture, and solving political issues peacefully. For whoever says we should kill and oppress, if you have Tibetan friends, you will not say so any more.

Annpo asked Chinese friends through twitter, and one of them who worked in Tibet said:

藏区的生活的确改善很大,起码比周边的国家都不错,这是应该看到的。但[…]生活好了,就会满足吗?[…]政府免费让他们读书,却用的是汉族课本。[…]藏族人对青藏铁路并不完全是支持的。而在拉萨日益繁华的时候,我那些老藏族的邻居却一个个都搬走了,这些难道还不够说明问题?

The life condition in Tibet does improve a lot. We can see life in Tibet is better now compared to its neighbors. However, […] can we satisfy people only by making their life better? […] The government provides free education, but the textbooks are Han's textbooks. […] Not all Tibetans support the Qinghai-Tibet Railway. When Lhasa becomes prosperous, my Tibetan friends keep moving out. Can't these observations explain the problem in Tibet?

There are other people caring about Tibet. Reiw in Hong Kong made a detail analysis and zola shared the summary of the news. Chao-Chen Lin, a reporter interviewing Dalai Lama and many Tibetans before, explained the problem of Tibet is due to the failure of conversation between Dalai Lama and Chinese government, and the development brought by China government that destroys their culture.

Acknowledgment: Annpo wrote this article, and I-Fan edited and translated it into English.

89 comments

  • not telling you

    以上含诋毁成分的说得简直就是p话连篇,请问编辑这些假话的人只是想为了反映自己有多可怜么?在不懂事实的人来说,他们也许都会相信这些,因为这些人都是无知的人。不要表面听到的就信以为真,必须要做到眼见为实ok!对于天安门暴乱事件来说,事实的原委并不是如那些胡乱的编辑者所说的那样,什么残杀他们,严重镇压他们,简直就是撒谎,说的也太夸张了吧..明摆着是那些无知的搞破坏分子想抹黑中国ok,我想请问大家,如果你家一直安静平和可突然有一天,你的亲戚来到你家里无理取闹要死要活的,你难道会坐视不理么,我看没有任何一个人会放着什么也不管吧!只是因为那些暴民过于张狂和蛮横,所以中国才采取一些法律上的规则去平息这一切而已,其余的夸张成分纯属伪造和虚假编辑,亲爱的中国同胞们,我们要团结阿 别再搞内讧了,这样只是正好如了部分始作俑者的意,中国可以说是最和平的国家了,当年多少邻国受过中国的恩惠,例如当年越南被别国侵略,中国可帮了他们不少吧,可到头来他们又回馈了中国什么,只是在中国需要他们帮助的时候,他们却把物价提高了。中国从来没有制造过任何的战争,中国之所以有今天的强大就因为人民团结,至于那些破坏分子只是不知道受了谁的恩惠才故意制造一连串的假象来诋毁中国,他们的行为真的好可耻,万人唾弃,他们会遭报应的。

  • truth

    我是一个西藏人,对于一些诋毁中国的看法我不大赞同!我觉得我们西藏人的生活不错的,中国大陆也对我们很照顾,一些不雅的videos 和photos ,大部分都是伪造的,都含有剪切成分,他们这么做的原因也只是为了让自己得到好处,我认为他们太自私了,同样都是中国同胞为什么偏偏要搞破裂呢?部分西藏人民对于这次奥运的搞破坏原因只有一个,他们收了某人的好处,为了不让中国好过,他们还特地收买了很多洋人一起乔装来破坏奥运会,我在西藏所听到的看到的甚至连我自己经历到的,某些虚伪的人们总在暗地里悄悄的计划着怎样去破坏和毁谤中国大陆!

  • Sue

    I don’t like some of the Taiwanese, the same as some of the Hongkong people. I don’t know why the government always want to get them united. Thoese people are not polite, they are over proud, opinionated, prejudice. They consider themselves more superior and more advantage.

    About 6 years ago, I got to know one supplier from Hongkong for printing, their facotry is located in China. At every dinner we had with the European clients, the Hongkong supplier would say badthings about China. If the badthing is right, then I could accept it. But all he said is nonsense. He said :”China will break very soon, in 1989, I was working in Huangpu(in Guangzhou) for a Japanese company, in June I saw many tanks, the soldiers killed the comman people.”
    Then I asked him if he had witnessed the soldiers killed the common people. He said I saw many tanks. He kept telling his imagined story to my European clients for 6 years, fortunately China still did not break. His naiveness remind me of one joke:

    One lady walked towards the lake with a fishing rod. One police came and took her fishing rod away, and said:”it is not allowed to fish here”. The lady said:”I did not fish here, how could you proove that I did fish?” The police said:”The proof is that you are equipped wit the tool to fish.” Then the lady shouted loudly:”the police is to rape me, help!” The police was angry and said:”I am not interested in you, why did you say that?” The lady said:”because you are equipped with the tool to rape me.”

    Keep imaginating and be CNN.

  • Sue

    The bible said don’t tell a lie, don’t make fake proof, don’t judge the others. But you did.I think we need to pray for you.

  • ifan

    My dear chinese friends,
    It’s very nice of you to point out there must be proof to say something. We all know there were Tibeten protesters, but how can you prove some of them were burning houses and killing people?
    This kind of conflict between different groups of people needs independent investigation, especially when your government asked all foreigners to leave when their military came to Tibet.
    You may hear a chinese proverb: neither adjust your shoe in a melon field,nor adjust your hat under a plum tree–because people may think you are stealing a melon or a plum.
    I understand your angry toward people who said there was military oppression, especially when there was no foreign reporter allowed to stay. If you want to fight for the honor of your country, I recommend you to urge your government to allow some distinguished figures to do independent investigation of this incident.

  • Sue

    Dear Ifan,

    If you are innocent, why not adjust your unconfortable shoes? If you don’t, it could reflect: 1,you care too much about what the other would say about you then you would be too tired to live. 2,you doubt yourself too. In China there is another saying: if you have this thinking you would doubt the same of the others.(心有之,反疑心)

    When the conflict happened, the government need to protect all the people from being hurt, including the foreigners. When you say the so-call independent investigation, I would like to show you one website which was set up by some Chinese students to expose how the western medie to make fake news: http://www.anti-cnn.com. What is the independent news for since it is not independent? Besides, you also could find how the rob of Tibet killed and burnt the common Chinese from this website anti-cnn.

    I would like to tell you more, in June of 1989, I kept watching the Hongkong TV-TBV and ATV for Tiananmen event. All Hongkon TV said bloody oppression by the militory, but NEVER a picture or episode could show and proove that, we could only hear the voice from the report and the Beijing streets. Everybody outside China said it is bloody oppression, but I never saw a picture of the bloody. Instead my husband and some of my friend told me that NO oppression occured in Tiananmen square, the tank and the soldiers were only to threaten the students, as my husband was one of the student and he was in grade one in university. Taiwan bought so many weapons from US, do you think it was already used to shoot our Chinese people? No, maybe it is just for show to keep the balance, maybe not yet.

    Regarding the Tainanmen event or the Tibet riot, if you did not witness or don’t have any proof, do you think you could judge it as a bloody oppression? No, you are not God.

    I believe every media would lead the readers or aundiences, to certain degree the media would wash the readers and audoiences brain. I don’t like the Chinese media, as they always tell the good news and keep the people from the bad news by closing the news, just in order to make the people to be satisfied with their lives. But the western media is more creative and imaginative, they lie and could creat something from nothing to arose unnecessary anger/fighting/riot on purpose by their imagination. The Chinese media don’t give us a full picture, but the western one also give us a part of the picture, and the fake one.

    The Chinsee government close the news which is bad to them, but they don’t lie as the western ones do. I would say that the Chinese one is stupid, but the western one is evil.

  • ifan

    Sue,
    I pity you, because you believe your government does not lie to you. If it can block the news, it can lie.
    I pity you, because you do not believe there is justice, and you do not believe there is investigation that can bring the truth to all of us.
    I pity you, because while so many people doubt what have happened in Tibet, what you can do is criticizing others instead of opening a window for communication.

  • Terry

    不必跟某些台湾的人争论西藏问题。
    做为中华民国的国民,民国宪法内容就是保持民国的领土完整(包括西藏)。所以跟这帮台独人士交锋,说根本没用。猪脑!
    美国经历911把美国人的爱国意识凝聚,堂堂民国国民却在西方挑拨中国内乱这么明摆着的事情党中分不清方向,自己也是汉族,无辜汉族被伤、被烧死得不到任何怜悯,台湾岛的媒体(包括中央社)却跟着西方鬼子的叫嚷声谴责大陆镇压。
    他妈的什么是镇压?军队在哪儿?拉萨那么多人可以用手机等各种方式传递出来“军队镇压”的照片和录像短片,放出来!
    多么可怜的无辜的拉萨市民(包括藏族市民)被伤到这种地步,竟然无人提及,还报道世界上去追求所谓的民主自由。这世界上有真正的民主和自由吗!
    想想死去的人、受伤的人,想想特殊的时候发生特殊的事,难道是寺庙的喇嘛憋屈到这几天才发泄,在看看之前几天印度境内的异动,你告诉全世界这是拉萨自己的行动?与外面无关?放屁!

    请求帮助,哪位高手把下面的内容翻译成英文?

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    一位西藏读书人在某讨论区的发言集,原文转录如下

    我是藏南波密的门巴族,现在在西南民族学院读书,境外的藏独分子妄想复辟,妄想回来当农奴主,做他的大梦吧,不要说共产党,就是我们也会拿起枪和他们干。大家要警惕,听我高中同学说,藏独用钱在波密扎木中学招募藏族高中生去境外读军校。这次拉萨暴动波密也有几个平时偷鸡摸狗地痞流氓去了拉萨,他们几个初中的时候经常打架,欺压同学。没想到小混混聚集在一起了,胆子还大了不少,估计是拿了钱干的。希望政府能去查一查,藏独真可笑,越是这些人渣跟着他们,他们越是臭名远扬。

    全国同胞们放心,现在藏独很少,只有黄教那些神经病里有些喇嘛喜欢用香火钱来哄骗农民,想我们这些上大学的,根本不想理他们。现在西藏生活这么好了,境外那几个神经病回来只有挨打,要他们真回来,我第一个回藏南搞死他们。

    境外那些藏独,都是当年逃过去的农奴主的后代,我们已经翻身当主人了,他们只能在境外当狗,客死他乡,肯定不平衡。旧西藏才是世界上侵犯人权最为严重的地方,我会开帖子另外说的。

    只是有个小小的要求,政府执法的时候要强硬点,达赖其实已经被藏青会架空,他根本没什么发言权。

    今天黄教的喇嘛向媒体哭诉“不自由”。大昭寺是黄教达赖祭法的地方,那些黄教喇嘛都信奉达赖,去那采访,不是神经病吗,肯定拥护达赖啊。去色拉寺、甘丹寺、哲蚌寺,还有更多的喇嘛,这些都是黄教的地盘。如果去小昭寺采访,肯定哭诉黄教暴徒怎么施暴的。

    我真觉得可笑,黄教喇嘛越闹,中央就对他越好,像我们这些不闹事的藏族人,中央政府就不在意。

    我是藏南门巴族,政府能不能武装我们,让我们以志愿军的形式越境去印度端掉藏独老巢,我有些同学在那边,熟悉路径。这帮农奴主的后代越来越嚣张了,要再不出来,他们又要回来奴役我们了!

    达赖最可笑,西藏又不是他黄教一家的,就是独立了,西藏也是内战不断。

    就是黄教也分达赖和班禅,黄教有两大活佛转世系统,不过我们门巴不信这个,我们是原始宗教,我说了就是独立了也是内战不断,黄教才多少人嘛?他们只能代表后藏,青宁的农户。

    你是不知道内情,那帮所谓的打人藏独相当于内地的地痞流氓,谁给钱就帮谁。至于那些打人的喇嘛是因为那几个寺庙都是黄教的信达赖,黄教内部信班禅的就没事。

    我知道汉人的心思,我在成都,前几天我坐公交车,因为我是西藏人,我坐的位置居然没人和我一起坐,那些人宁愿站着,也不坐我旁边,其实我们都是被藏青会连累的。

    达赖现在已经被藏青会架空,他管不了在国外出生长大的藏独二代,就算他想和中央政府谈,藏青会也不会让他谈。藏青会从小被洗脑,他们有时候潜回西藏看到到处都是汉字、汉人,藏民生活也越来越好,他们就绝望,因为他们被灌输这一切本来都是他们的,我们只不过是农奴,他们的奴役的商品而已。现实确是他们只能龟缩在印度的山区,像野骆驼一样偷生,老死。

    中央政府最好放弃和谈,我知道藏青会那批人是不会和中央政府和谈的,他们的胃口大的很,川西,甘南,青海,云南他们都想吃,真要这批农奴主的后代回来,西藏各族人民将暗无天日。西藏也会内战不断。不必太在乎外国人的感受,多关心点本国人的利益。

  • Sue

    ifan,

    See, you started to show your high position, just behaving like you are at so high position and we are not. You pity me? I pity you. You think you are right, so you pity the different? You judged again as you were God. Your window of communication was closed.

    I pity you, as you could not find the proof but I could.

    I pity you, because you said because I believe my government does not lie to me. I tell you what I believe, I believe the proof and the truth, instead of imaganation. I would not believe any government or media when I found the proof that they lie. Can you? No. But you only could do and think so “if it can block the news it can lie” by your imagination and judgement.

    I pity you, because you judged again that I do not believe there I justice. Again, you imagine again to do judgement. Did I say that or just you said that?

    I pity you, although finally you said only so many people doubt what had happened in Tibet instead of the previous so-called oppression, I still pity you. Because you thought what I said is criticing others instead of opening a window for communication. Please check all my talking, all is about what I heard and what I saw and what I thought. The window is big open for communication. If what I said was not right, please correct it with reasons and proofs instead of by judging.

    However, before you could say oppression, now you only could say doubt. Good step and good change.

    Finally, please read New Testament of the bible: Mattew 7 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged. and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.”

  • ifan

    Sue,
    You also believe what you heard as others, but you try to get your high position from the Bible. I want to ask you, why don’t you believe in justice, which is valued high in the Bible? When there is lots of proof that there was military oppression in Tienanmen, bloody oppression, you said you did not believe there was. For you, it seems everything is imagination, only what china government said is bible.
    I opened a window for communication by suggesting an independent investigation, and you closed it by saying everyone should believe what china government declare. How rude is it! I recommend you to consider my suggestion because making conflicts is no good to anyone.

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