Obviously you have not heard or refuse to hear…

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In March 1996, the Dalai Lama decreed that the worship of Dorje Shugden was ‘evil’. In what is believed to have been part of an internal power struggle in his fiefdom-in-exile in Dharamsala, northern India, the Dalai Lama ordered all worshippers of Dorje Shugden to leave his temple on 21 March 1996. A week later, on 30 March 1996, the Assembly of Tibetan People’s Deputies (the parliament in exile) passed a resolution banning the worship of Dorje Shugden by Tibetan government employees, and the Private Office of His Holiness the Dalai Lama issued a formal decree for everyone to stop practising the Dorje Shugden prayer. The New Internationalist reported that the Lama’s office wrote to every monastery in northern India and Tibet demanding that they ‘ensure total implementation of this decree by each and everyone… If there is anyone who continues to worship [Dorje Shugden], make a list of their names, house name, birth place… Keep the original and send us a copy of the list.’”

The above is not from any Chinese sources.

Oh, and the CIA bit; he waged guerella war until 1972 and then we(Americans) abandoned him(he personally draws about 200k a year). That was when he saw that he had to reinvent himself.

That does not matter though. Truth of the matter is, no matter how many times he and the exiled Tibetans reinvent themselves, they are not important. This thread is about a boycott of Olympics for Tibet. It seems to be a nice boycott no? Apparantly no one came and no one saw the games…oh wait…;)
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As far as FLG is concerned; try misleading their followers about false medical promises and leading people to refuse medical treatment. That maybe is religious exemption; for me and most Chinese that is fraud with deadly consequences.

Also, that still does not change the reality of the armed invasion of Tibet by the PRC and continued occupation of that territory, no matter how many euphemisms or alternative histories the CCP can invent. There are plenty of examples of politically motivated historical revisionism that comes from the CCP — everything from the Cultural Revolution to Tibet — so much that they should just put them out in fantastic comic books and make an additional profit since the new museum of Tibetan history being built in Beijing will most likely turn no profit from tourism.

Regarding the FLG, they may be nutty people (some at least) but the concern shown by the CCP over their growing social power in the PRC is real reason they were denounced.

You are funny to suggest Dalai Llama has no foreign powers behind him even after CIA abandoned him(a sad day for you I am sure ;) ). He is a Western made religious freedom fighter who, ironically, does not offer religious freedom to his own followers.

I wonder when you are going to bring up FLG…Do you really understand why they are banned? Chances are, you don’t. Just like Dalai Lama, the messaged given to people outside China are quite different than the message Li gives to his own followers.

. . . The sensitivity of Religion comes from the fact that foreign powers use religion to push their political ideas.

Is the Catholic Church a “foreign power” then or are the Church of Christ missionaries secret Republicans? I do not buy this reasoning since, as seen with the persecution of the Falun Gong or Dalai Lama (today), the real concern is political power and control from within China and not the external threat of a foreign-instigated religion, unless you want to consider Santa Claus a surrogate for a foreign power.

While the world recognizes the problems in Tibet, one of the reasons why CCP prevents Tibet’s freedom is because abundant gases & natural resources buried underground.

CCP claims equal opportunity to the minor ethnic groups on the surface, but in reality they limit the opportunity for basic education and political participation, enhancing inequality between ethnic groups. The independence movement and demand for basic human rights in these areas will deepen as China will be experiencing post-olympic economic valley effect.

There’s also huge economic gap between the cities and the suburban areas as annual household income in 07 for city dwellers was $2019 per family, while it was only $606 in suburban areas.
People with money are getting richer & richer, but those poor are getting poorer. The 10% wealthy class occupies 45% of the whole city economy. This economic inequality was the major factor for civilian protests which recorded 74,000 cases in 04, 87,000 cases in 05, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Recently, Chinese organized crime member was captured in S. Korea for bank account related phone scamming. This man confessed that it was common practice in China to cut off body parts in criminal circles to impose fear and for revenge. His family member was also confined as hostage by the organization to secure his mouth. This poor man couldn’t cooperate to S. Korean interrogation for fear of his son…

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UN’s Delivering on the Global Partnership for Achieving the MDGs

A new UN report finds significant progress in providing debt relief to the world’s poorest countries, but not in fulfilling trade and development aid commitments. Donors will need to increase their development assistance by $18 billion a year between now and 2010 if they are to meet their previously agreed pledges. The report, Delivering on the Global Partnership for Achieving the Millennium Development Goals, was prepared by the MDG Gap Task Force, created by S. Korean-born UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to track international commitments on aid, trade and debt, and to follow progress on access to essential medicines and technology.

Stand Up Against Poverty
From October 17 to 19, people all around the world will be invited to Stand Up and Take Action, to be a part of the growing global movement determined to stamp out poverty and inequality. Last year, more than 43 million people all over the world stood up and spoke out sending a clear and powerful message to governments: Keep your promises to end poverty and achieve the Millennium Development Goals. (http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/)

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“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

There is much fear in you K ;)

When a country whose security relies on foreign troops stationed on their soil lay claims on someone else’s territory, it is laughable.

-> The ratio for America’s religious freedom vs political influence is 98: 2, china is 5:95.

Grabbing your numbers out of thin air again?

-> America is the country founded upon the spirit of puritan…

Do you know what is the spirit of the Puritan?

If you do, then you should know it is maybe good for Christians; not so good for other religions ;)

Some insist that they have religious freedom just because china has some churches (regulated by CCP). And they attack America saying that American politicians also regulate religion. Comparing Chinese situation of religious freedom to that of America is simply nonsense. Why?
America is the country founded upon the spirit of puritan, the very strict disciplinary sect of protestant. Even though America has been criticized by its military dominance in the world and its arrogance, they still believe the value of righteousness, human rights & freedom. Even though they fought military warfare for their own interest, they brought better living condition to many nations as consequence. The ratio for America’s religious freedom vs political influence is 98: 2, china is 5:95.

I’m not one of the supporters of America, but I give them credit at least.
Does china has such value & attitude towards its own people and to the world?

The answer is clear. China is run by communists whose mentality is totally different from that of democratic nations. We shouldn’t take this lightly. We should keep watching china under careful scrutiny.
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“and to my chinese freinds,we tibetans do not want total independence because we know now that CCP will not even think about “freeing Tibet”. instead his holiness the Dalai lama and us tibetans are looking forward to being a TRUE autonomous region of China,one where tibetans are given all their basic rights(freedom of religion,freedom of speech etc).but this cannot happen in CCP controlled China. so we urge tibet supporters and chinese peoples to join the “democracy for China” movement.there are many groups that fight for democracy for china or are against the CCP.support their movement and China will become a better nation.

many of my Chinese freinds here keep saying that China has many ethnic groups etc etc,but did you know that these ethnic groups also have their own religion and cultures.and many many religions have a significant leader figure either living or non living. the CCP controls religion in China by limiting what is taught and preached in religious houses. Many Many Chinese christians suffer in China because theyre not allowed to believe what they want. Did you also know that the second coming of Jesus is banned from being preached in China because the CCP wants to be the only true leader of China. in the same way, his holiness is also a threat to the CCP because his holiness is a leader and a teacher,not just some monk.”

CCP’s territorial & military ambition still continues. S. Korea’s southernmost island Yiyodo was secretly recorded as Chinese territory by CCP for 8 yrs even after S. Korea & china signed agreement. S. Korean government recently found it and made CCP to correct it, but CCP revised the clause with ambiguous tone. Why does CCP care for this little rock? Because it has good military advantage for its location. Any missile installed in this location can cover very much the whole inland of china. Do you see clearly where CCP is headed for?

China’s military ambition causes threat not only to its own people but to the whole world.
This is the main reason why the world should keep pressing china to become democratic and to ensure human rights & freedom.
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This area was illegally assigned to China by japan while Korea lost its control of foreign affairs. When N & S. Korea reunites this area is very likely to be returned to Korea. China prepared itself for this scenario by claiming its allegiance to Korean ancient kingdom, Koguryo. The article by David Scofield explains this.

“Many believe that China’s recent remapping of its ethnic frontiers – its recent inclusion of the ancient (BCE57-CE668) kingdom of Koguryo into the annals of Chinese, not Korean, history – is nothing more than an isolated attempt by zealous Chinese researchers to make history conform to their beliefs about China’s centrality and omnipresence in the greater region, its borders knowing no limits in the minds of these historians. That’s a plausible explanation, except for one disturbing fact: there is substantial evidence that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has abruptly changed its view of China’s territorial borders before, slightly more than 60 years ago to be exact, and the area was Taiwan. This time it’s Koguryo, but Taiwan was a precedent.”
From http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/FH19Dg01.html

This history absorption project was nation-wide campaign started in 02 and caused huge fury in S. Korea until now. CCP claimed that all the history of foreign nation which occurred in the territory of china is Chinese history. Can you believe this? Is Byzantine Turkish just because Turks occupy the territory now? This propaganda under Chinese nationalism also brought opposition from Tibet.
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Chinese living in china don’t know the truth of their own government because of media control. CCP makes people think that they’re living in a better days and causes “Chinese nationalism” among their people. Chinese are so whitewashed they don’t see the reality clearly.
The reason why the human rights & freedom issues are so important in china is because of 3 major facts. China is still pretty much Communist politically and china has vast territory & population. Now it gains economic advantage as well. So if china’s CCP takes its stance towards military & territory expansion, we can pretty much expect the 3rd World War.
This is not just a vague imagination. We can see the signs here and there. The biggest threat is that CCP’s nuclear ambition is growing.

http://www.wisconsinproject.org/countries/china/nuc-amb.html

you wish!

What I mean is that your example only shows lack of enforcement. If you use your example of a priest getting away with endorsing someone as proof that the limitations of freedom of religion doesn’t exist in America, than all I need to end the conversation is to show one unmolested house church in China; of which there are many.

Suppose if the priests of major catholic churches start to openingly endorse someone like, say Lewis Farrakhan for president, I think you will see some IRS action. Likewise, if heaven forbid a masque send money to a fund that gives money to say a hospital that is run by Hamas; they can be in real trouble even if they did so without prior knowledge.

Many Christians in America think China as the ancient Roman Empire in terms of the Christian struggles. This is not correct. In regulations, the Chinese government does not require the worship of CCP or any other figure head to be legal. It is not a sin to be regulated by a secular government, unlike the requirement to worship the Roman Emperor as a god in Roman times.

The sensitivity of Religion comes from the fact that foreign powers use religion to push their political ideas. So you have to ask yourself…are you more interested in spreading Christianity or spreading political ideas? If the former, then the environment is safe and people usually get along fine…even in sensitive areas like Xinjiang where you can bet most Foreign English teachers are missionaries. Do you really think Chinese government does not know? If the latter, then those that have come with deceit and what ever treatment they get they deserve. This brings back to the example of missionaries trying to sneak Bible into China; tell me “Elgin”, what real purpose does this achive besides the potential to make headlines? The Bible is freely found in China. It also doesn’t help it and laughable when some of the missionaries come home and say they were risking their safty to bring the Word to the Chinese where in reality, they are only risking an unscheduled plane trip home.

I respect missionaries who sacrifice a part of their lives to really spreading the Word and offere real services to the people they chose to serve; but I hold in great distain those who mix politics with religion and taint the Word of God.

I’ve been active in Baptist, Church of Christ, and Bible Churches…The miissionary I speak of I met in one of these; and no, I am not going to be more specific.

As for the house churches, they are mostly associated with teachings of 倪柝聲(witness nee). I am not impressed with how they do things but again, they exist and seem to be doing fine.