At least the Pontian Genocide was real, the Armenian one was real, the Holocaust was real- you’re just giving us fairytales with no corroborating evidence whatsoever- what happened, did Hellas supposedly get rid of those records?! And more to the point, would the UN and other organisations let Hellas of all countries get away with it?! Give us a break. I say to you two words:PROVE IT. Thus far you and your ilk have done nothing but dodge questions time and again giving us only half-baked stories, lies, slander and propaganda- and guess what, you’re fooling nobody.

And as for 2012- cut the nonsense; that is another myth your politicians are perpetuating: the whole thing about “regaining” Macedonia as stipulated under the Treaty of Bucharest is an urban legend to give you some small shred of hope and as a tool to delude you all. Much like this nonsense about Italy not supporting Hellas with the veto- I defy you to name one credible non-FYROManian news source that says as much; again they are are more lies concocted by your politicians because of the spectacular flop of not getting into NATO. Don’t you get it? Without Hellas’ Euros you’re finished- your country will disintegrate and believe me it would be a shame; for although you are all ignorant I do not hate you. If I were you I’d be going after your politicians who have fed you lies such as Hellas being an occupied region etc. and all these other disgusting perversions of history and fact and this idiotic uber-nationalistic stance which has done nothing but isolate you- think of it this way, if Albania of all countries can get into NATO then you really have to get it together and pronto.

I pity you and your simpleness- your intransigence and unwillingness to accept historical fact is either downright arrogant or incredibly stupid; which of the two is subject to interpretation.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves for spreading these lies- and at the very least we have facts to verify every single thing we have said- which really speaks volumes about each and every one of you. I believe Goebbels said it best:
“It depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”- I think the parallels with FYROM are more than obvious.

Who will pay for that???????????????????
Again Macedonians.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Europe will divide Macedonia again!!!!!!!!!!

Europe is the biggest whore in the history of the humanity. She closed her eyes when exodus was made under Macedonians in the civil war in Greece. She closed her eyes when few decades before that Macedonia was divided. Now she will erased what is left from Macedonia….

Everybody will pay for these sins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2012 is coming!

AND if you did not want a debate on here known how sensitive the issue is,,,then maybe you should have not wrote about it.

When Greeks have a passion they will react by writing back at it with solid answers of proof.

What is offensive about my post below, when all i am doing is replying to idiodicy explaination his posting about this co called Macedonian history that Greeks have been denying.

If it is offensive in tone, it is only reply to Jordan’s offensive toen based on false facts, about Greeks, and Greek history.

I think if anything, my post is less slanderous and offensive then those posted against myslef, and i believe the questions i have asked for Jordan to answer are appropriate to this discussion, as he believes my facts are the making of propaganda, and for yourself to deny me the opportunity to do so, shows biase.

This what forums are for, to try to dispell misinformation and argue (in civil terms) your point, based of fact.

I think if you do submit my original post, it demean this forum any less, i think no one will be offended.

Thank You.

Jordan,

Yet again you have not answered any of my questions:
i)Macedonians worshipping the Greek Gods
ii) King Phillip participating in the ancient Olympic Games when Macedon was no real threat to other Greek states
iii) A large scale of Macedonian history missing between the Classical era to Modern Times – let me guess, it was Greek villages who torched all the libraries that held all your history of that time….pleeeease.
You seem to confuse yourself whenever in history the reference of Macedonian King, Prince, people etc, is somehow different when history notes of a Spartan/ Athenian/ Thebian/ – King, Queen, Prince, People etc.
History acknowledges they were separate States but they were all Greek, which separated them from the rest.
Why would Alexander put his life and most importantly his Kingdom in jeopardy for “conquered” people, when in history its been noted he wanted to – AVENGE the Persians who have wronged the GREEKS in the past – Oh, that’s write, Aristotle who was his tutor in his teenage years must of brainwashed him. Jeez those Greek history teachers know how to rip pages from a book. lol.
Yes it is us Greeks who are brainwashed, even though most historic journals from around the world are consistent with Greek teachings – Did Greeks brainwash the whole world??
No-one is denying your ethnic existence, and we want your country to be prosperous, hence all the Greek investments, but the path your countryman have chosen is ignoring what is fact and what is nationalistic pride in a part of the world where many people have perished because of such malarky.
Pull your head, go to the table and compromise a solution with the Greeks. Greeks have nothing to lose, all key allies as much as some weren’t keen on Greece’s stance, still backed them and showed Skopjians who there preferred ally is after the NATO summit. The big boys aren’t prepared to fight your battles for you anymore (an Albanian tactic) or else your so called country will disintegrate and break up in time, once Greece decides to place an embargo on FYRM again, you’ll be thrown back in the Dark Ages (not far from where you are now), it would be like switching of a light, without Greece putting a finger on a trigger.

YES, I forgot about all the children that were taken by the Communist Slavs. My mom’s friend was one of them. She does not know how to speak Greek… She says she is Greek from Macedonia (THE REGION OF GREECE), then she was taken when she was 3 by the Slavs and taught the Slavic language. It happened to her husband because they had known each other from the orphanage. But her aunt from Macedonia, Greece finally found her in her 20’s.

These people do not understand that the ones that are Orthodox are truly Greeks from that era, and that is why they do not know their background.

I agree with you,,,the name Macedonia is not allowed to be used by anyone other than the Greek Territory. It was Greek, and it will remain Greek. Unless the Skopjeans decide that they want to be under Greece’s blanket and combine with our True Macedonia.

MPRAVO PAIDIA!!! I have to hand it to you all that are proud to be Greeks. I am tired of the Hostile acts of these Skopjeans from 1991 and they still continue like babies. Even the latest one during the NATO Summit with the SWASTIKA ON OUR GREEK FLAG…this act not only did it make Greeks all over the world angry but the Jewish Communities world-wide.

Kai to allo,,,,Mou legei auth edw oti epideis ton eipa ton IORDANI edw oti legei malakies,,,mou evgale ta duo comments. Ths legw kai egw,,,autos pws mporei na vazei thn Ellada kato kai ton Ellhnismo,,,,nomizeis oti den tha tou apantisoume…auta pou legei einai malakies,,,kai an den einai na mas diksei apo pou ta diavase se vivliografia tou. Ths eipa oti prepei na paei na vgalei ola ta dika tou kai ola ta psemata tou.

Moderator.

If you are not publishing the Greek side of this because of your discretion,,,then you must remove JORDANs Hate comments where he is bagering the Greeks for no reason at all……
We GREEKS ARE PROUD TO BE GREEK, FROM MACEDONIA TO CRETE, FROM CYPRUS TO KEFALONIA…..THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH,,,,BUT THE HOSTILE ACTS THAT THEY HAVE DONE IS UNACCEPTABLE,,,INCLUDING THE SWASTIKA ON THE GREEK FLAG.
JORDANs comments need to be FACTUAl AND LESS HOSTILE, AND ALSO TO PROVIDE US WITH BILIOGRAPHICAL REFERENCES TO WHERE HE FINDS ALL THIS JUNK,,,,INCLUDING THE SAYING OF BEWARE OF GREEKS EVEN WHEN THEY ARE COMING WITH GIFTS….

If you want cruelty then let’s talk about all those Hellenic children abducted in 1947 during the Hellenic Civil War by Yugoslav Partizans/Communists- these children are one root cause of all this “Macedonia” issue- they have been brainwashed much like those that were kidnapped by the Ottomans during their occupation of Hellas- where these children were killing their siblings, family, other relatives and their countrymen. These children were made into Janissaries (derived from Ottoman Turkish ينيچرى (yeniçeri) to fight their own countrymen; case closed. Even our “friends” the Americans denounced this practice in 1950 when President Truman called for the repatriation of these children; not forgetting 1944 when Presdient Roosevelt and the State Department actively opposed a so-called “Macedonian” built on Bulgarian aggression to Hellas.

Finally, the name of this country should never, ever, have the word “Macedonia” in it- it is an affront to history and all the sciences which have proven that these people have nothing to do with the Hellenic peoples of that region past and present. It is an affront to the sacred Hellenic nature of Macedonia and an insult to the millions of true Macedonians all over the world. You should take Vardarska, Vardar Banovina or even Khrushevo Republic because your country is on the brink of collapse- if Hellas and their allies in the EU veto your ascension there it’s over (and by the way smart-guys; to enter NATO you need a unanimous concensus; trying to appeal to 25 of 26 nations won’t work because you lack the crucial vote; and it is very bad etiquette to try to accomplish this behind the back of a member which has been involved in for 56 or so years; looks like Gruveski and all his clown-cabinet are in damage control.) After your disgusting act of vandalism to the Hellenic flag and other acts of aggression, after irridentist maps ijn textbooks and all manner of brainwashing etc. including the map that clown Gruevski but on Delcev’s grave clearly showing Hellas all the way to Halkidiki, after you claim that Macedonia belongs to you, after you steal Ancient Hellenic culture as your own, as you claim that a Bulgarian dialect of a language is Ancient Macedonian, you make yourselves look more and more ridiculous. In fact I daresay the only reasons for why people are antagonistic to Hellas on this issue is because of jealousy and to spite us, not forgetting the big one:financially speaking too because the US would love nothing more than to capitalise on instability in the Balkans when it comes to natural gas/oil, other commodities and political influence.

I wonder, when Kosovo is up and running and FYROM is teetering on the brink of destruction which “nation” will the Americans support; seems to me like the US has shot itself in the foot by championing Kosovo and FYROM not realising that the Ethnic Albanians of FYROM want to inevitably join Kosovo and then Albania. Whoops!

Do you realy think that you can convince educated European heads of state that this name game that FYROM is playing should not be considered? Europe is about culture people, not arrogance, intransigence and historical revisionism by a Titoistic neighbor. Read about history, don’t try to steal it. Hellas has taken a very resolute stance….be careful…do not think you can cross the lines of diplomacy with these crass displays. It will backfire on you spectacularly as it already has. The US can’t support you on this (they couldn’t do anything for you at the summit as it is and Bushovski your friend had to cover his ineptitude after his pummelling by the Hellas and Russia by going on a bender!)

To be Macedonian is to be Hellenic.

Αυτός τε γαρ Έλλην ειμί γένος τωρχαίον.
I am myself a Greek by ancient descent.
Alexander I of Macedonia,in Herodotus’ book Kalliopi,IX,45.

Thank you for understanding how fragile this issue is for all of us.

If it wasn’t for help you received in the past from USA, EU etc you wouldn’t be in the same state as you are today.

Reading the above comments concludes that the Greeks are the biggest European fanatics whose main aim is to destroy a tiny country like Macedonia. It’s a shame you can’t do the same to the Turks in Cyprus.. The Greeks will come up with use any means to cover up the cruel things done by the Greeks over the past century, as they have done to my family and ancestors. They were Macedonians then and always will be!

We the Macedonians don’t want anything that is yours apart from keeping what is currently ours.

Never once have they given credible evidence and have thus had to resort to either insults or laughable personal anecdotes regarding individuals who are as deluded as them- give us some scholarly approved evidence and then there will be a dicussion; otherwise give it up- nobody’s buying your lies. The Communist-led brainwashing is quite simply amazing. I can reduce any of their arguments to nothing by reductio ad absurdium- they claim they are Macedonian because they have been for thousands of years- then I can claim to be Colonel Sanders because I feel at one with a piece of Kentucky Fried Chicken- nobody’s going to believe that now are they- though maybe the chicken part is more believable than their claims. You can pretty much do this with all their claims- try it; it’s quite amusing to see them moan about their “Macedonian” heritage when they cannot even explain what the symbols mean; what the name of the area means and why Hellenism and not Slavism was spread all over the world.

Bah- my muscular 160+ IQ brain hurts from this FYROManian stupidity.

Best,
Moderator