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	<title>Comments on: Are languages free? Thoughts on the International Mother Language day</title>
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		<title>By: International Mother Language day &#124; Topics of the world</title>
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		<dc:creator>International Mother Language day &#124; Topics of the world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Voices online published &#8216;Are languages free?&#8217; an article from Bangladesh on the importance of mother languages, especially minority languages and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/02/21/are-languages-free-thoughts-on-the-international-mother-language-day/comment-page-1/#comment-1395619</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before responding I&#039;d like to mention that IMLD this year was also the formal beginning of the International Year of Languages. I have put up some webpages with links about it at http://donosborn.org/iyl/

Interesting article and comments. I think that comparisons between language and the natural environment are tempting. Both are &quot;free&quot; in the sense of our not associating any cost to their use or maintenance. When scarcity arises, the &quot;costs&quot; and solutions associated with each are different and the analogy fails. But it is true that relatively little economic analysis has been done of the value of a particular language, or of linguistic diversity (whether in general or in a particular setting).

In international development work in Africa, for instance, multilingual settings are often viewed as an inconvenience. Yet ignoring the mother tongues of intended development beneficiaries (or really, just leaving it up to chance and ad hoc translations when needed) has costs in terms of understanding, participation, and links with local knowledge.

In terms of education, teaching uniquely in a second language (L2) has costs to students in terms of understanding and to communities in terms of integration of the educational experience with the local culture (and in some ways, the level of involvement of parents who don&#039;t master the L2). Students who leave school early are in the situation of having sometimes truncated abilities in L1 (mother tongue) and partial abilities in L2, with incomplete mastery of subject matter.

Usually the costs of translations into diverse languages for development or education are deemed too high, but the cost of not using L1&#039;s more effectively is not estimated.

Obviously a lot more can be said on these topics, but the main point is that while cultural and aesthetic values of languages are extolled, there are also practical and economic values.

Thanks by the way for mentioning Bisharat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before responding I&#8217;d like to mention that IMLD this year was also the formal beginning of the International Year of Languages. I have put up some webpages with links about it at <a href="http://donosborn.org/iyl/" rel="nofollow">http://donosborn.org/iyl/</a></p>
<p>Interesting article and comments. I think that comparisons between language and the natural environment are tempting. Both are &#8220;free&#8221; in the sense of our not associating any cost to their use or maintenance. When scarcity arises, the &#8220;costs&#8221; and solutions associated with each are different and the analogy fails. But it is true that relatively little economic analysis has been done of the value of a particular language, or of linguistic diversity (whether in general or in a particular setting).</p>
<p>In international development work in Africa, for instance, multilingual settings are often viewed as an inconvenience. Yet ignoring the mother tongues of intended development beneficiaries (or really, just leaving it up to chance and ad hoc translations when needed) has costs in terms of understanding, participation, and links with local knowledge.</p>
<p>In terms of education, teaching uniquely in a second language (L2) has costs to students in terms of understanding and to communities in terms of integration of the educational experience with the local culture (and in some ways, the level of involvement of parents who don&#8217;t master the L2). Students who leave school early are in the situation of having sometimes truncated abilities in L1 (mother tongue) and partial abilities in L2, with incomplete mastery of subject matter.</p>
<p>Usually the costs of translations into diverse languages for development or education are deemed too high, but the cost of not using L1&#8217;s more effectively is not estimated.</p>
<p>Obviously a lot more can be said on these topics, but the main point is that while cultural and aesthetic values of languages are extolled, there are also practical and economic values.</p>
<p>Thanks by the way for mentioning Bisharat.</p>
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		<title>By: mankso</title>
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		<dc:creator>mankso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jens wrote:
&gt;But I think that a world language is something that we need to create, together, not something that I or anybody else can present as a finished project.

And developing is exactly what Esperanto has done and is still doing! It was not presented as a finished product. What was produced in 1887 was only a skeletal grammar plus about 960 roots. New words are constantly being added, and grammatical latencies still being discovered as it continues to spread around the world.

By the way, the European Day of Languages is scheduled for Sept. 26 this year, and Belgium&#039;s Journée du Bilinguisme for May 8. Are there any other such days coming up this year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jens wrote:<br />
&gt;But I think that a world language is something that we need to create, together, not something that I or anybody else can present as a finished project.</p>
<p>And developing is exactly what Esperanto has done and is still doing! It was not presented as a finished product. What was produced in 1887 was only a skeletal grammar plus about 960 roots. New words are constantly being added, and grammatical latencies still being discovered as it continues to spread around the world.</p>
<p>By the way, the European Day of Languages is scheduled for Sept. 26 this year, and Belgium&#8217;s Journée du Bilinguisme for May 8. Are there any other such days coming up this year?</p>
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		<title>By: Jens Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jens Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a nice article, and let me just add to what mankso wrote about Esperanto. I also think that having a neutral language, a sort of world pidgin, would be beneficial as it would allow people to communicate without being put at an advantage or disadvantage due to their mothe tongue. And this would mean that people would not feel pressure to give up on their own native language. 

If you are interested, I am working to develop a sort of world pidgin, called Neo Patwa. It is described at patwa.pbwiki.com. There is actually an article on Global Voices, here:
http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/09/20/blogging-in-neo-patwa/

But I think that a world language is something that we need to create, together, not something that I or anybody else can present as a finished project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a nice article, and let me just add to what mankso wrote about Esperanto. I also think that having a neutral language, a sort of world pidgin, would be beneficial as it would allow people to communicate without being put at an advantage or disadvantage due to their mothe tongue. And this would mean that people would not feel pressure to give up on their own native language. </p>
<p>If you are interested, I am working to develop a sort of world pidgin, called Neo Patwa. It is described at patwa.pbwiki.com. There is actually an article on Global Voices, here:<br />
<a href="http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/09/20/blogging-in-neo-patwa/" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/09/20/blogging-in-neo-patwa/</a></p>
<p>But I think that a world language is something that we need to create, together, not something that I or anybody else can present as a finished project.</p>
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		<title>By: Bea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad to see this post on International Language Day. I, too, posted on languages being under threat because I don&#039;t think enough people believe it. There are more than a few ways our languages can be threatened and not just by not speaking it. Check it out at http://www.remarkablesolutionsblog.com/foreign/2008/02/linguists-unite.html or http://internationmusing.blogspot.com/2008/02/next-universal-language.html.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad to see this post on International Language Day. I, too, posted on languages being under threat because I don&#8217;t think enough people believe it. There are more than a few ways our languages can be threatened and not just by not speaking it. Check it out at <a href="http://www.remarkablesolutionsblog.com/foreign/2008/02/linguists-unite.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.remarkablesolutionsblog.com/foreign/2008/02/linguists-unite.html</a> or <a href="http://internationmusing.blogspot.com/2008/02/next-universal-language.html." rel="nofollow">http://internationmusing.blogspot.com/2008/02/next-universal-language.html.</a></p>
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		<title>By: pocketcultures</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/02/21/are-languages-free-thoughts-on-the-international-mother-language-day/comment-page-1/#comment-1390530</link>
		<dc:creator>pocketcultures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks - very interesting article. 
I totally agree that learning additional languages to enable cross-cultural communication is important, even for native English speakers.  

We recently posted about this article from the IHT which had an interesting discussion of the use of English as a universal second language: 
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/09/asia/englede.php

The article points out that the English used for international communication is evolving into something different from the English spoken for example in the UK. 

As a native English speaker myself, I&#039;m not sure about getting a completely free ride - I am conscious that I change my language and accent when speaking to non-native speakers, in order to help communication. If I speak with my normal regional accent people rarely understand me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks &#8211; very interesting article.<br />
I totally agree that learning additional languages to enable cross-cultural communication is important, even for native English speakers.  </p>
<p>We recently posted about this article from the IHT which had an interesting discussion of the use of English as a universal second language:<br />
<a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/09/asia/englede.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/09/asia/englede.php</a></p>
<p>The article points out that the English used for international communication is evolving into something different from the English spoken for example in the UK. </p>
<p>As a native English speaker myself, I&#8217;m not sure about getting a completely free ride &#8211; I am conscious that I change my language and accent when speaking to non-native speakers, in order to help communication. If I speak with my normal regional accent people rarely understand me!</p>
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		<title>By: mankso</title>
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		<dc:creator>mankso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the snippets about languages from around the world. I too am a member of a very small ethnic minority whose language (Manx Gaelic) has been almost crushed out of existence. Mother tongues are indeed important, but you didn&#039;t mention the other side of the coin - the need for &#039;universal bilingualism&#039; with a common, non-ethnic, second language as well. English is not adequate for this role, as English-speakers get an undeserved totally free ride thereby.

Fortunately I am also a member of a second, non-territorial, linguistic community, namely that of Esperanto. Perhaps you should look into this too, especially since the 5th Asian Esperanto Congress just ended a few days ago in Bangalore?

Prague Manifesto: http://lingvo.org/xx/2/3
Update: http://www.uea.org/info/angle/an_ghisdatigo.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the snippets about languages from around the world. I too am a member of a very small ethnic minority whose language (Manx Gaelic) has been almost crushed out of existence. Mother tongues are indeed important, but you didn&#8217;t mention the other side of the coin &#8211; the need for &#8216;universal bilingualism&#8217; with a common, non-ethnic, second language as well. English is not adequate for this role, as English-speakers get an undeserved totally free ride thereby.</p>
<p>Fortunately I am also a member of a second, non-territorial, linguistic community, namely that of Esperanto. Perhaps you should look into this too, especially since the 5th Asian Esperanto Congress just ended a few days ago in Bangalore?</p>
<p>Prague Manifesto: <a href="http://lingvo.org/xx/2/3" rel="nofollow">http://lingvo.org/xx/2/3</a><br />
Update: <a href="http://www.uea.org/info/angle/an_ghisdatigo.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.uea.org/info/angle/an_ghisdatigo.html</a></p>
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