Comments on: China: Hu Jia's family become human “state secrets” http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/ The world is talking. Are you listening? Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:52:24 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Civic China » Kill One (or Two) as a Warning to A Hundred: The Hu / Zeng Experience http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/comment-page-2/#comment-1388026 Civic China » Kill One (or Two) as a Warning to A Hundred: The Hu / Zeng Experience Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:30:27 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/#comment-1388026 [...] developments and assessments While Hu Jia’s family become human “state secrets” and the Chinese government is busy Taping Over the Cracks, a consensus opinion has formed in the [...] [...] developments and assessments While Hu Jia’s family become human “state secrets” and the Chinese government is busy Taping Over the Cracks, a consensus opinion has formed in the [...]

]]> By: Civic China » Kill One (or Two) as a Warning to A Hundred: The Hu / Zeng Experience http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/comment-page-2/#comment-1387999 Civic China » Kill One (or Two) as a Warning to A Hundred: The Hu / Zeng Experience Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:01:25 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/#comment-1387999 [...] developments and assessments in the Hu / Zeng “case” While Hu Jia’s family become human “state secrets” and the Chinese government is busy Taping Over the Cracks, a consensus opinion has formed in the [...] [...] developments and assessments in the Hu / Zeng “case” While Hu Jia’s family become human “state secrets” and the Chinese government is busy Taping Over the Cracks, a consensus opinion has formed in the [...]

]]> By: Freedom’s Feeble Ring | Current World News http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-1379418 Freedom’s Feeble Ring | Current World News Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:33:54 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/#comment-1379418 [...] in many countries activists fought bravely against repressive regimes–bloggers in China, lawyers in Pakistan, monks in Burma–these were not victories, but rather symptoms of a [...] [...] in many countries activists fought bravely against repressive regimes–bloggers in China, lawyers in Pakistan, monks in Burma–these were not victories, but rather symptoms of a [...]

]]> By: Wu Di http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-1375484 Wu Di Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:44:47 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/#comment-1375484 ... and if you're wondering whether you can trust those blogs GV is linking to, I cannot make this decision for you. It depends largely on your own assessment. Don't make a leap of faith, slowly assess what they are saying and why they are saying it, and whether it makes sense and is rooted in reality or in wishful thinking, is agenda-driven or driven by a quest to reveal 'the Truth', and you can slowly build up trust towards some of those sources, while always remaining critical towards them. Anyway, that's what I do. … and if you’re wondering whether you can trust those blogs GV is linking to, I cannot make this decision for you. It depends largely on your own assessment.

Don’t make a leap of faith, slowly assess what they are saying and why they are saying it, and whether it makes sense and is rooted in reality or in wishful thinking, is agenda-driven or driven by a quest to reveal ‘the Truth’, and you can slowly build up trust towards some of those sources, while always remaining critical towards them.

Anyway, that’s what I do.

]]> By: Wu Di http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-1375480 Wu Di Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:39:49 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/#comment-1375480 bai guo, nihao! Sorry for misunderstanding your comment and wrongly accusing you. It's totally okay to ask whether GV can really "reflect the Chinese people's voices"! I would say it's impossible for just one source to provide completely balanced reporting. I think the original post links up to quite a few interesting sources that go beyond but also allude to the partyline. Since you're outside China, you may also want to check out http://www.1bao.org/ http://www.hujiajinyan.wordpress.com http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/ (particularly the many comments) If you want to know what those 99.99 percent of Chinese people are thinking who are not actively sharing their views online, you may need to ask them in person. But please keep in mind that the majority of Chinese may not have access to information or the time to come to an informed assessment on the issue. And that the mainstream media in China are very silent on all issues concerned with activism of any kind. bai guo, nihao!
Sorry for misunderstanding your comment and wrongly accusing you. It’s totally okay to ask whether GV can really “reflect the Chinese people’s voices”! I would say it’s impossible for just one source to provide completely balanced reporting.

I think the original post links up to quite a few interesting sources that go beyond but also allude to the partyline. Since you’re outside China, you may also want to check out
http://www.1bao.org/
http://www.hujiajinyan.wordpress.com
http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/ (particularly the many comments)

If you want to know what those 99.99 percent of Chinese people are thinking who are not actively sharing their views online, you may need to ask them in person. But please keep in mind that the majority of Chinese may not have access to information or the time to come to an informed assessment on the issue. And that the mainstream media in China are very silent on all issues concerned with activism of any kind.

]]> By: bai guo http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-1375292 bai guo Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:36:00 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/#comment-1375292 hi, wu di i'm not pointing to this piece of news about hu jia. i'm just questioning all the blogs here in GV, focusing on china, i'm interested in their sources. in addition, i'm not saying their sources are problematic, i'm just askining and that's part of the " trying to understand all the things here" hi, wu di
i’m not pointing to this piece of news about hu jia. i’m just questioning all the blogs here in GV, focusing on china, i’m interested in their sources.
in addition, i’m not saying their sources are problematic, i’m just askining and that’s part of the ” trying to understand all the things here”

]]> By: JL http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-1375243 JL Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:40:52 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/#comment-1375243 Ghost and Beijing girl in NY: what exactly do you think is stopping you getting the Chinese government's side of the story? It's actually pretty easy to find out what the Chinese government thinks about things: that's what Xinhua, CCTV, the China Daily etc. are for. Ghost and Beijing girl in NY: what exactly do you think is stopping you getting the Chinese government’s side of the story? It’s actually pretty easy to find out what the Chinese government thinks about things: that’s what Xinhua, CCTV, the China Daily etc. are for.

]]> By: Wu Di http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-1374132 Wu Di Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:00:15 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/#comment-1374132 @"beijing girl in new york": Saying that you need to see the two sides seems like a cop-out to me. The information you desire is available (both in English and Chinese), but you need to be interested in actually looking for it, and willing to spend the time and effort necessary to assess it. I don't think Global Voices aspires to be your all-encompassing source of information, but this doesn't mean that their reporting is not based on confirmed information. Spending one minute to criticize them for taking sides is the easy way out. It would take you much longer to arrive at an informed and (possibly) balanced assessment. Do you care enough to try? (From my perspective, it is quite telling that the Chinese government is *not* making any specific accusations at this time.) Or, how about you come to Beijing and see for yourself? @”beijing girl in new york”:

Saying that you need to see the two sides seems like a cop-out to me. The information you desire is available (both in English and Chinese), but you need to be interested in actually looking for it, and willing to spend the time and effort necessary to assess it.

I don’t think Global Voices aspires to be your all-encompassing source of information, but this doesn’t mean that their reporting is not based on confirmed information. Spending one minute to criticize them for taking sides is the easy way out. It would take you much longer to arrive at an informed and (possibly) balanced assessment. Do you care enough to try?

(From my perspective, it is quite telling that the Chinese government is *not* making any specific accusations at this time.)

Or, how about you come to Beijing and see for yourself?

]]> By: beijing girl in new york http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-1374047 beijing girl in new york Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:15:07 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/#comment-1374047 I agree with ghost. we need to see the two sides. besides, i want to question global voice's channel to get those information, can it really reflect the chinese people's voices? so far as i know, the information we gathered maybe only 0.01 percent of the whole china, or even less. and the funny thing is, we always stick to the 0.01 percent, and keep reporting those 0.01 percent, and seems that's the 100 percent of china. I agree with ghost. we need to see the two sides.
besides, i want to question global voice’s channel to get those information, can it really reflect the chinese people’s voices? so far as i know, the information we gathered maybe only 0.01 percent of the whole china, or even less. and the funny thing is, we always stick to the 0.01 percent, and keep reporting those 0.01 percent, and seems that’s the 100 percent of china.

]]> By: Susan Tomlinson http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-1373797 Susan Tomlinson Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:42:34 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/#comment-1373797 Respect that most basic of human rights - freedom of speech. Please release Hu Jia immediately. Respect that most basic of human rights – freedom of speech. Please release Hu Jia immediately.

]]> By: ghost http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-1373126 ghost Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:09:24 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/#comment-1373126 may be it has something we dont konow. in china,i have seen many critical articles，but those bloggers havent been locked. i want to get more informations about the two sides. after i know the reality,i can say somwthing. we can't be stired by the media. may be it has something we dont konow.
in china,i have seen many critical articles，but those bloggers havent been locked.
i want to get more informations about the two sides.
after i know the reality,i can say somwthing.
we can’t be stired by the media.

]]> By: mehitabel http://globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-1372904 mehitabel Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:13:45 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/01/30/china-hu-jias-state-secrets/#comment-1372904 Thank you for writing this. Hu is the one of most courageous people i have ever known. I do not think of him as an activist, but just another friend who is incredibly honest, kind, loyal and never afraid of speaking the truth. BTW, i thought their girl's name is Hu Qianci? Thank you for writing this. Hu is the one of most courageous people i have ever known. I do not think of him as an activist, but just another friend who is incredibly honest, kind, loyal and never afraid of speaking the truth.
BTW, i thought their girl’s name is Hu Qianci?

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