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	<title>Comments on: China:Seething Eve on Nankai Campus</title>
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		<title>By: lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people whose status enables them to own cars and also to think they can treat others without common decency are evil, yes. Any event that teaches such barbarians to think twice before disrespecting the common people is not an &#039;uncivilised action&#039; but social progess. Is putting students in hospital over a scratched paint job civilized? No ID card, generally unaffordable (but actally mediocre) car, or gang of thugs can be allowed to intimidate or disrespect the students or other common people. Even if in an extreme case the driver&#039;s brother had to be killed to send a message to their like it is always the act of opression that has broken the peace, the students would still be morally right. It must be clearly taught to these swine that nothing will be held more important than the dignity of the common people, especially their vanguard, the students. This is the inalienable birthright of all, and must always be guarded with unremittant vigilance and unbending solidarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people whose status enables them to own cars and also to think they can treat others without common decency are evil, yes. Any event that teaches such barbarians to think twice before disrespecting the common people is not an &#8216;uncivilised action&#8217; but social progess. Is putting students in hospital over a scratched paint job civilized? No ID card, generally unaffordable (but actally mediocre) car, or gang of thugs can be allowed to intimidate or disrespect the students or other common people. Even if in an extreme case the driver&#8217;s brother had to be killed to send a message to their like it is always the act of opression that has broken the peace, the students would still be morally right. It must be clearly taught to these swine that nothing will be held more important than the dignity of the common people, especially their vanguard, the students. This is the inalienable birthright of all, and must always be guarded with unremittant vigilance and unbending solidarity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jkr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jkr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When men are pure, laws are useless; when men are corrupt, laws are broken. - Benjamin Disraeli

I just wish these violence won&#039;t happen to anyone of us. God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When men are pure, laws are useless; when men are corrupt, laws are broken. &#8211; Benjamin Disraeli</p>
<p>I just wish these violence won&#8217;t happen to anyone of us. God bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean, some people think they are somebody when they own something.
Well, to be straight, I mean the upstarts, especially those who think money means power.

On the issue of illegality, I find what I worry: when laws again and again upset people, it loses its power and no rule could be respected, no spirit of contract could be fostered, while violence and &quot;mob&#039;s justice&quot; would substitute. But I presently don&#039;t think the substitution a 100% evil thing. 
Would there be order after disorder?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, some people think they are somebody when they own something.<br />
Well, to be straight, I mean the upstarts, especially those who think money means power.</p>
<p>On the issue of illegality, I find what I worry: when laws again and again upset people, it loses its power and no rule could be respected, no spirit of contract could be fostered, while violence and &#8220;mob&#8217;s justice&#8221; would substitute. But I presently don&#8217;t think the substitution a 100% evil thing.<br />
Would there be order after disorder?</p>
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		<title>By: Jkr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jkr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you think car owner in China are evil? It gives them the &quot;license to kill&quot;? I hold a knife, but doesn&#039;t it make me an evil? He is a solder with a gun, does it make him a satan? 

Back to the topic, I believe any form of voilence is evil. Showing your anger and opinion is your civil rights, but by destroying someone&#039;s car doesn&#039;t make it right. I merely see crime and uncivilize action, nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you think car owner in China are evil? It gives them the &#8220;license to kill&#8221;? I hold a knife, but doesn&#8217;t it make me an evil? He is a solder with a gun, does it make him a satan? </p>
<p>Back to the topic, I believe any form of voilence is evil. Showing your anger and opinion is your civil rights, but by destroying someone&#8217;s car doesn&#8217;t make it right. I merely see crime and uncivilize action, nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for all of your concern. I just want to add two similar events that happened in the city I live, Shenzhen.

1.Qian Jun钱军 beat an old man though it is his car that bumped the victim. He totured the old man so cruelly that incured flooded indignation later. A video clip recored the scene.

2.Pan Bobin潘博斌, a car owner whose car brushed a lady, hit the woman and yelled out shamelessly &quot;I am from the Labor Bureau!&quot; ,as if that gave him the right to hit an innocent.

They are all car owners. What does a car mean? License to kill? I thrilled at what a car, a vehicle, could imply in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for all of your concern. I just want to add two similar events that happened in the city I live, Shenzhen.</p>
<p>1.Qian Jun钱军 beat an old man though it is his car that bumped the victim. He totured the old man so cruelly that incured flooded indignation later. A video clip recored the scene.</p>
<p>2.Pan Bobin潘博斌, a car owner whose car brushed a lady, hit the woman and yelled out shamelessly &#8220;I am from the Labor Bureau!&#8221; ,as if that gave him the right to hit an innocent.</p>
<p>They are all car owners. What does a car mean? License to kill? I thrilled at what a car, a vehicle, could imply in China.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree on what Trust(9) posted above!

and kudos to those students. Bravo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree on what Trust(9) posted above!</p>
<p>and kudos to those students. Bravo!</p>
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		<title>By: bob bolt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob bolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I walk Nankai campus everyday. Drivers are abusive and unsafe. 

The students are angry for many reasons, and rightfully so. Justice should prevail...but will it?

bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I walk Nankai campus everyday. Drivers are abusive and unsafe. </p>
<p>The students are angry for many reasons, and rightfully so. Justice should prevail&#8230;but will it?</p>
<p>bob</p>
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		<title>By: Jkr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jkr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These guys drive nice car and study at university, but behave like a caveman.For me, this is the biggest international joke on X&#039;mas eve.

Does it have to do with party corruption? Influence of capitalism? &quot;conscience of a society, awaked&quot;? Or simply a channel to show your anger and another classic case of collective unconsciousness action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These guys drive nice car and study at university, but behave like a caveman.For me, this is the biggest international joke on X&#8217;mas eve.</p>
<p>Does it have to do with party corruption? Influence of capitalism? &#8220;conscience of a society, awaked&#8221;? Or simply a channel to show your anger and another classic case of collective unconsciousness action.</p>
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		<title>By: TRUST</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRUST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should say, all the parties we see in this event are not the root cause of this particular event; they are all only at the phenomenal level.

The deepest problem that induced the conflicts between status is the impotency and corruption in the community party&#039;s government.

Why the security system was daunted as the woman explicitly suggested her &quot;special background&quot;? 

I feel it&#039;s difficult to blame on the guards, go-ans, or policemen because they are also the suppresed ones: They are afraid of getting laid off if they dare keep justice.

Why did they, who are supposed to secure the society and ordinary people, fail to execute their duties? 

These on-site security keepers mostly came from ordinary families, and it costed them time and efforts to obtain such a &#039;decent&#039; job; how can we expect them to pull a tiger&#039;s hair while there could be no promise for their &quot;safety&quot;?

The actual problems are: Does the government support them? Do the people have the right to back up the officers? Are the politicians willing to support their action?

As long as the politicians have the pressure from people, as long as people can veto the legitimacy of the government, the system in the country can be established well and officers in this system can be on duty without fear.

Hence, natrually, when the system is not sound, people can only claim their rights, show their anger, and restore justice, all by themselves.

This is why the Xmas eve event happened, although this is also a little sad.

But when I saw the suppressed stood out to do what they ought to do, I felt cheered about China&#039;s future, because the students, conscience of a society, awaked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should say, all the parties we see in this event are not the root cause of this particular event; they are all only at the phenomenal level.</p>
<p>The deepest problem that induced the conflicts between status is the impotency and corruption in the community party&#8217;s government.</p>
<p>Why the security system was daunted as the woman explicitly suggested her &#8220;special background&#8221;? </p>
<p>I feel it&#8217;s difficult to blame on the guards, go-ans, or policemen because they are also the suppresed ones: They are afraid of getting laid off if they dare keep justice.</p>
<p>Why did they, who are supposed to secure the society and ordinary people, fail to execute their duties? </p>
<p>These on-site security keepers mostly came from ordinary families, and it costed them time and efforts to obtain such a &#8216;decent&#8217; job; how can we expect them to pull a tiger&#8217;s hair while there could be no promise for their &#8220;safety&#8221;?</p>
<p>The actual problems are: Does the government support them? Do the people have the right to back up the officers? Are the politicians willing to support their action?</p>
<p>As long as the politicians have the pressure from people, as long as people can veto the legitimacy of the government, the system in the country can be established well and officers in this system can be on duty without fear.</p>
<p>Hence, natrually, when the system is not sound, people can only claim their rights, show their anger, and restore justice, all by themselves.</p>
<p>This is why the Xmas eve event happened, although this is also a little sad.</p>
<p>But when I saw the suppressed stood out to do what they ought to do, I felt cheered about China&#8217;s future, because the students, conscience of a society, awaked.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Cartman</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. Cartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting reporting, thank you.

I think inflation-driven unrest is going to become a very big issue in China faster than anybody expects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting reporting, thank you.</p>
<p>I think inflation-driven unrest is going to become a very big issue in China faster than anybody expects.</p>
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		<title>By: Shanghaiist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shanghaiist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Harmonious China...&lt;/strong&gt;

What&#039;s happening around the nation as one year closes and another begins 2007 is definitely the year...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Harmonious China&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>What&#8217;s happening around the nation as one year closes and another begins 2007 is definitely the year&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: YEAH!</title>
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		<dc:creator>YEAH!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to Nankai daxue way back  in 2001, and I have to say this totally rocks. Any time regular people actually stand up for themselves in China, facing off against these arrogant new rich, who mostly have acquired their money through questionable means, I think this is absolutely wonderful. Gives me hope for a China that really is proud of itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to Nankai daxue way back  in 2001, and I have to say this totally rocks. Any time regular people actually stand up for themselves in China, facing off against these arrogant new rich, who mostly have acquired their money through questionable means, I think this is absolutely wonderful. Gives me hope for a China that really is proud of itself.</p>
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		<title>By: ChinaMann</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChinaMann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is my comments to the above questions:

1. In front of massive disorder of the students, she couldn&#039;t nothing but calming down the anger.
2. There shall be investigations over the chain of responsibilities around the incident if following legal procedures.

Per the root causes, the following parties in a sequence shall be investigated: Guard - Security Head in Nan Kai Uni - Traffic police - Gong An - Headmaster of University - Students finally. As those causual factors if counted properly could prevent from happenning of the car-smashing. Given legal investigation process to all parties other than just one or two of them, the students may inevitably be dealt with legal consequence for damaging action. Let&#039;s wait and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is my comments to the above questions:</p>
<p>1. In front of massive disorder of the students, she couldn&#8217;t nothing but calming down the anger.<br />
2. There shall be investigations over the chain of responsibilities around the incident if following legal procedures.</p>
<p>Per the root causes, the following parties in a sequence shall be investigated: Guard &#8211; Security Head in Nan Kai Uni &#8211; Traffic police &#8211; Gong An &#8211; Headmaster of University &#8211; Students finally. As those causual factors if counted properly could prevent from happenning of the car-smashing. Given legal investigation process to all parties other than just one or two of them, the students may inevitably be dealt with legal consequence for damaging action. Let&#8217;s wait and see.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Zhu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia Zhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 01:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just have two questions.
1. why the headmasters had the power to say that those students would not be punished? 

2.From legal perspective, those students did betray the laws since they had rolled over and whipped other people&#039;s possession, although there was a righteous  reason for the action. What if the one in the Buick sue to the court? who is going to be the final one responsible for the broken sedan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just have two questions.<br />
1. why the headmasters had the power to say that those students would not be punished? </p>
<p>2.From legal perspective, those students did betray the laws since they had rolled over and whipped other people&#8217;s possession, although there was a righteous  reason for the action. What if the one in the Buick sue to the court? who is going to be the final one responsible for the broken sedan?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 01:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much do you want to bet the school will end up paying for that car? I can just see the principal telling the students they will not be punished just to get them to calm down and disperse, then going to the car owner and apologizing and offering to compensate her (if the owner is well enough connected).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much do you want to bet the school will end up paying for that car? I can just see the principal telling the students they will not be punished just to get them to calm down and disperse, then going to the car owner and apologizing and offering to compensate her (if the owner is well enough connected).</p>
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