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		<title>By: Global Voices in English &#187; Trinidad and Tobago: election landslide</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/06/trinidad-and-tobago-election-results/comment-page-2/#comment-1659687</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices in English &#187; Trinidad and Tobago: election landslide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 13:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] party, the People&#039;s National Movement (PNM), won a comfortable majority in the previous general election in 2007, after the opposition vote was split between the United National Congress (UNC) and the Congress of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Isaac Hunt</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/06/trinidad-and-tobago-election-results/comment-page-2/#comment-1658644</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaac Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 00:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, the results are coming in, and it looks like the coalition is infront</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, the results are coming in, and it looks like the coalition is infront</p>
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		<title>By: wachell murray</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/06/trinidad-and-tobago-election-results/comment-page-2/#comment-1645451</link>
		<dc:creator>wachell murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANY GOV. THAT INVEST IN Youth cannot be the Enemy , since the Youths are the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANY GOV. THAT INVEST IN Youth cannot be the Enemy , since the Youths are the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Amir D. Hall</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/06/trinidad-and-tobago-election-results/comment-page-2/#comment-1550922</link>
		<dc:creator>Amir D. Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like racism.</description>
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		<title>By: TnT Politics</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/06/trinidad-and-tobago-election-results/comment-page-2/#comment-1204852</link>
		<dc:creator>TnT Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Reason the PNM won was because of it&#039;s strong economic and social policies. It is clear that most of the COP votes came from UNC supporters.

On another note, the behaviour of Basdeo Panday after his loss was childish and infantile. Is the the attitude of a man who wants to lead our Country? God help us all if he was successful.

Great site by the way and keep up the good work!

http://tntpolitics.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Reason the PNM won was because of it&#8217;s strong economic and social policies. It is clear that most of the COP votes came from UNC supporters.</p>
<p>On another note, the behaviour of Basdeo Panday after his loss was childish and infantile. Is the the attitude of a man who wants to lead our Country? God help us all if he was successful.</p>
<p>Great site by the way and keep up the good work!</p>
<p><a href="http://tntpolitics.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://tntpolitics.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sorrel Blue</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/06/trinidad-and-tobago-election-results/comment-page-2/#comment-1203998</link>
		<dc:creator>Sorrel Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Taran, especially on the issue of the socio-economic as a divider. Sadly, it is very true in this country. But it is also true in many other countries, if not most. The racial issue—historical, yes—continues to seem a real divider in TT, nevertheless, and, in my opinion, one of the fundamental ones. Consider this: A wider alliance of the UNC-A that would have included the CoP would have most probably attracted most Indo-Trinbagonians. Ask anyone on the street and this is what you&#039;ll most likely hear. Not that I would ever defend a race-based political affiliation (ever), but this is what most people will tell us out there.

I also—partially—agree with Taran&#039;s exhortation for everyone to move on, as elections have passed. But it is still always productive to discuss these issues, even when—you&#039;re right once again, Taran—internet penetration in this country is roughy 12%. But there are still many people out there who are eager to hear different opinions (based on reason, of course) and analysis like these are always helpful to all of us who do have the privilege of the off-stream media for the understanding of what lies beneath the surface, and to foster more racional thought between us. One day, post PNM and UNC, hopefully, more people will have access to these important &quot;conversations!!&quot;

To answer your hypothetical question, by the way, I have no idea if more widespread access to the internet would have changed the outcome of the elections, but I tend to think not; too many things —namely attitudes that, yes, divide us—would need to change, first. It saddens me to admit that.

This is a great site, by the way. Congratulations!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Taran, especially on the issue of the socio-economic as a divider. Sadly, it is very true in this country. But it is also true in many other countries, if not most. The racial issue—historical, yes—continues to seem a real divider in TT, nevertheless, and, in my opinion, one of the fundamental ones. Consider this: A wider alliance of the UNC-A that would have included the CoP would have most probably attracted most Indo-Trinbagonians. Ask anyone on the street and this is what you&#8217;ll most likely hear. Not that I would ever defend a race-based political affiliation (ever), but this is what most people will tell us out there.</p>
<p>I also—partially—agree with Taran&#8217;s exhortation for everyone to move on, as elections have passed. But it is still always productive to discuss these issues, even when—you&#8217;re right once again, Taran—internet penetration in this country is roughy 12%. But there are still many people out there who are eager to hear different opinions (based on reason, of course) and analysis like these are always helpful to all of us who do have the privilege of the off-stream media for the understanding of what lies beneath the surface, and to foster more racional thought between us. One day, post PNM and UNC, hopefully, more people will have access to these important &#8220;conversations!!&#8221;</p>
<p>To answer your hypothetical question, by the way, I have no idea if more widespread access to the internet would have changed the outcome of the elections, but I tend to think not; too many things —namely attitudes that, yes, divide us—would need to change, first. It saddens me to admit that.</p>
<p>This is a great site, by the way. Congratulations!!</p>
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		<title>By: Karel - Caribbean Public Relations</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/06/trinidad-and-tobago-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-1203731</link>
		<dc:creator>Karel - Caribbean Public Relations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am particularly disheartened that the majority of the country continues to vote based on race and propaganda. I expected it, but hoped that sense would prevail. Sigh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am particularly disheartened that the majority of the country continues to vote based on race and propaganda. I expected it, but hoped that sense would prevail. Sigh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Taran Rampersad</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/06/trinidad-and-tobago-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-1203725</link>
		<dc:creator>Taran Rampersad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*update* I wrote:

&quot;The PNM focused on the poor - nevermind that many (including myself) believe that they keep the lower income folks.&quot;

When it should read:

&quot;The PNM focused on the poor - nevermind that many (including myself) believe that they keep the lower income folks at that level.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*update* I wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;The PNM focused on the poor &#8211; nevermind that many (including myself) believe that they keep the lower income folks.&#8221;</p>
<p>When it should read:</p>
<p>&#8220;The PNM focused on the poor &#8211; nevermind that many (including myself) believe that they keep the lower income folks at that level.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Taran Rampersad</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/06/trinidad-and-tobago-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-1203724</link>
		<dc:creator>Taran Rampersad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how all the analysis seems to go back to dividing the nation... The truth is that there is a socioeconomic divide rather than a racial one, and stressing that socioeconomic divide as opposed to race or religion will serve to better move the country forward. 

The PNM focused on the poor - nevermind that many (including myself) believe that they keep the lower income folks. The UNC attempts to do the same and has been failing for quite some time, blissfully continuing along and repeating the errors which make it such a weak party despite such vocal support.

To make that point colloquially, the nutsman is heard by all - but the nutsman is always the minority.

Enter the COP, which gave the disenfranchised a party to vote for. The UNC is blaming the COP for losing the election, and the PNM would have done the same thing.

The COP is too young, and (heaven forbid I agree with Robin Montano) failed because it targeted the middle-class which is a de facto minority - largely *because* of both the PNM and the UNC. 

But none of that matters. 2007 elections are over. Move along.

What is interesting is that the COP had a large amount of support on the internet (despite UNC showing, which is largely controlled by Nigel Mahabir) - the largest amount of support if I am correct - and when one considers that Trinidad and Tobago has about 12% internet penetration, the lowest in CARICOM (really)... something comes to light. 

It is hard to ignore that the technology usage and theoretical discussion of issues which happens outside of the media by those with access may be linked to COP support. There is no way to empirically measure this, but lets ask the question: If everyone in Trinidad and Tobago had internet access, would they have voted in the manner in which they did? 

The racial divides only exist because of the history, which dates past my own great-uncles (Simbhoonath and Rudranath) in the Democratic Labour Party (DLP). Back then the racial and cultural divides were more representative; today the only true divides are socioeconomic. 

And since we&#039;re traipsing through history - remember how the DLP ended. Panday would do well to remember his own success in the 1976 elections... and why he won. He seems doomed to repeat the mistakes his past competitors made.

Now - beyond all of this - the real question comes. When was the last time a true census was done in this country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how all the analysis seems to go back to dividing the nation&#8230; The truth is that there is a socioeconomic divide rather than a racial one, and stressing that socioeconomic divide as opposed to race or religion will serve to better move the country forward. </p>
<p>The PNM focused on the poor &#8211; nevermind that many (including myself) believe that they keep the lower income folks. The UNC attempts to do the same and has been failing for quite some time, blissfully continuing along and repeating the errors which make it such a weak party despite such vocal support.</p>
<p>To make that point colloquially, the nutsman is heard by all &#8211; but the nutsman is always the minority.</p>
<p>Enter the COP, which gave the disenfranchised a party to vote for. The UNC is blaming the COP for losing the election, and the PNM would have done the same thing.</p>
<p>The COP is too young, and (heaven forbid I agree with Robin Montano) failed because it targeted the middle-class which is a de facto minority &#8211; largely *because* of both the PNM and the UNC. </p>
<p>But none of that matters. 2007 elections are over. Move along.</p>
<p>What is interesting is that the COP had a large amount of support on the internet (despite UNC showing, which is largely controlled by Nigel Mahabir) &#8211; the largest amount of support if I am correct &#8211; and when one considers that Trinidad and Tobago has about 12% internet penetration, the lowest in CARICOM (really)&#8230; something comes to light. </p>
<p>It is hard to ignore that the technology usage and theoretical discussion of issues which happens outside of the media by those with access may be linked to COP support. There is no way to empirically measure this, but lets ask the question: If everyone in Trinidad and Tobago had internet access, would they have voted in the manner in which they did? </p>
<p>The racial divides only exist because of the history, which dates past my own great-uncles (Simbhoonath and Rudranath) in the Democratic Labour Party (DLP). Back then the racial and cultural divides were more representative; today the only true divides are socioeconomic. </p>
<p>And since we&#8217;re traipsing through history &#8211; remember how the DLP ended. Panday would do well to remember his own success in the 1976 elections&#8230; and why he won. He seems doomed to repeat the mistakes his past competitors made.</p>
<p>Now &#8211; beyond all of this &#8211; the real question comes. When was the last time a true census was done in this country?</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/06/trinidad-and-tobago-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-1203654</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - sorry off topic but just found your site and appreciate the in depth articles and posts on places that aren&#039;t always on the U.S. news radar.

I&#039;ve always followed Argentina and South America politics, and it&#039;s great to read local bits and pieces from around the world...

All the best - James...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; sorry off topic but just found your site and appreciate the in depth articles and posts on places that aren&#8217;t always on the U.S. news radar.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always followed Argentina and South America politics, and it&#8217;s great to read local bits and pieces from around the world&#8230;</p>
<p>All the best &#8211; James&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Laughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Laughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two interesting analyses that were posted too late to make it into this piece:

Trinidad Media Arts &amp; Culture suggests that the UNC/COP &quot;split&quot; reflects a caste/class divide among Trinidadian Hindus:

http://trinidadmediaartsculture.blogspot.com/2007/11/rip-cop-welcome-to-trinimad-after-pnm.html

And Jeremy Taylor argues that we&#039;ve reverted to the political situation of the early 1980s:

http://jeremy-taylor.blogspot.com/2007/11/back-to-square-one.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two interesting analyses that were posted too late to make it into this piece:</p>
<p>Trinidad Media Arts &#038; Culture suggests that the UNC/COP &#8220;split&#8221; reflects a caste/class divide among Trinidadian Hindus:</p>
<p><a href="http://trinidadmediaartsculture.blogspot.com/2007/11/rip-cop-welcome-to-trinimad-after-pnm.html" rel="nofollow">http://trinidadmediaartsculture.blogspot.com/2007/11/rip-cop-welcome-to-trinimad-after-pnm.html</a></p>
<p>And Jeremy Taylor argues that we&#8217;ve reverted to the political situation of the early 1980s:</p>
<p><a href="http://jeremy-taylor.blogspot.com/2007/11/back-to-square-one.html" rel="nofollow">http://jeremy-taylor.blogspot.com/2007/11/back-to-square-one.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sorrel Blue</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/06/trinidad-and-tobago-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-1203541</link>
		<dc:creator>Sorrel Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me for a typo on my last comment:  on the last paragraph, the line that reads &quot;there are, indeed, a large number...&quot; should read &quot;there IS, indeed, a large number...&quot;

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me for a typo on my last comment:  on the last paragraph, the line that reads &#8220;there are, indeed, a large number&#8230;&#8221; should read &#8220;there IS, indeed, a large number&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Sorrel Blue</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/06/trinidad-and-tobago-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-1203537</link>
		<dc:creator>Sorrel Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A party like the COP, that achieved more than 20% of the popular vote, clearly has sound support in our beautiful twin-island country. If the constitution were to be altered at all, it should be to revise that sort of glitch in a society that claims to be democratic. Sadly, any talk about constitutional reform comes from a clear agenda of the ruling party and its leader to get more power.

It is sad that Patrick Manning was, once again, left off the hook. No hospital in Tobago, and he builds himself a palace in Port of Spain (only ONE example.) Ironic that a wider alliance UNC/COP WOULD have certainly beaten his party, as both of them earned almost 100,000 more popular votes, combined, than the PNM. A clear indication that the PNM didn&#039;t really &quot;win&quot; by majority, but out of a split-vote. And, in spite of the &quot;win&quot;, they couldn&#039;t even get a total majority of seats.

What ultimately perspires of these election results is that there are, indeed, a LARGE number of citizens who want change. One can only hope 1212 will finally bring it, for the sake of democracy and real justice. And for this we will have to stop thinking &quot;race&quot; and start thinking &quot;reason.&quot;  Only THEN will we be the envy of the world....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A party like the COP, that achieved more than 20% of the popular vote, clearly has sound support in our beautiful twin-island country. If the constitution were to be altered at all, it should be to revise that sort of glitch in a society that claims to be democratic. Sadly, any talk about constitutional reform comes from a clear agenda of the ruling party and its leader to get more power.</p>
<p>It is sad that Patrick Manning was, once again, left off the hook. No hospital in Tobago, and he builds himself a palace in Port of Spain (only ONE example.) Ironic that a wider alliance UNC/COP WOULD have certainly beaten his party, as both of them earned almost 100,000 more popular votes, combined, than the PNM. A clear indication that the PNM didn&#8217;t really &#8220;win&#8221; by majority, but out of a split-vote. And, in spite of the &#8220;win&#8221;, they couldn&#8217;t even get a total majority of seats.</p>
<p>What ultimately perspires of these election results is that there are, indeed, a LARGE number of citizens who want change. One can only hope 1212 will finally bring it, for the sake of democracy and real justice. And for this we will have to stop thinking &#8220;race&#8221; and start thinking &#8220;reason.&#8221;  Only THEN will we be the envy of the world&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chookooloonks</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/11/06/trinidad-and-tobago-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-1203481</link>
		<dc:creator>Chookooloonks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I left Trinidad 8 months ago, I didn&#039;t know of a single person who supported Manning or anyone or anything related to him.  How is it possible then that PNM won so soundly?  Is it possible that I only knew the very few people who hated him?

I&#039;m so baffled by the outcome of this election.  And very, very disheartened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I left Trinidad 8 months ago, I didn&#8217;t know of a single person who supported Manning or anyone or anything related to him.  How is it possible then that PNM won so soundly?  Is it possible that I only knew the very few people who hated him?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so baffled by the outcome of this election.  And very, very disheartened.</p>
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		<title>By: Basdeo Panday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Basdeo Panday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 01:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for not mentioning me at all. Seems the PNM propaganda has gotten to the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for not mentioning me at all. Seems the PNM propaganda has gotten to the site.</p>
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