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	<title>Comments on: China: Rules of Olympic engagement</title>
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		<title>By: mahathir_fan</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/10/28/china-rules-of-olympic-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-1201945</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin Lee, based on what I read about him was a British collaborator. He was treated very well by the British administration of Hong Kong. 

Today, he is considered a pro-democracy politician by the Western press despite not being a communist. But where was his &quot;pro-democracy&quot; stance when the British were in power? 

If he went to the US while the British were still colonizing Hong Kong and urge the US to intervene in the British colonization of Hong Kong - to press the British to release Hong Kong - to nullify the surrender agreements of the opium war etc. etc., then I would have no issue with him making today&#039;s statement. I would consider him a Chinese patriot.

But fact is, he was passive about releasing Britain&#039;s strangle hold of Hong Kong, but after Hong Kong was returned back to China he suddenly showed so much concern for democracy and human rights . I therefore question the legitimacy of his struggle.

A person who stands for democracy or human rights ought to have been struggling for them while the British were in power and while it is under China. He shouldn&#039;t be selective about who is his &quot;Master&quot; before launching his struggle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin Lee, based on what I read about him was a British collaborator. He was treated very well by the British administration of Hong Kong. </p>
<p>Today, he is considered a pro-democracy politician by the Western press despite not being a communist. But where was his &#8220;pro-democracy&#8221; stance when the British were in power? </p>
<p>If he went to the US while the British were still colonizing Hong Kong and urge the US to intervene in the British colonization of Hong Kong &#8211; to press the British to release Hong Kong &#8211; to nullify the surrender agreements of the opium war etc. etc., then I would have no issue with him making today&#8217;s statement. I would consider him a Chinese patriot.</p>
<p>But fact is, he was passive about releasing Britain&#8217;s strangle hold of Hong Kong, but after Hong Kong was returned back to China he suddenly showed so much concern for democracy and human rights . I therefore question the legitimacy of his struggle.</p>
<p>A person who stands for democracy or human rights ought to have been struggling for them while the British were in power and while it is under China. He shouldn&#8217;t be selective about who is his &#8220;Master&#8221; before launching his struggle.</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, it loses somthing in the translation, I&#039;m sure, but I think this is why many people laugh at people in China.

Has anyone said yet that Martin Lee has &quot;hurt the feelings of all the Chinese people&quot;?

They probably will.

Every country has its problems, and the US can certainly be pointed to as having many faults, but China stands out with the petty stupidity of the people and the system.

I think it all falls back to the fact that you can&#039;t talk about things.

If there is a riot over land rights in some province, it&#039;s not reported or debated as to who was right and who was wrong.

How many people did nor did not die in 1989? No, you can&#039;t even ask the question.

Is Hu Jintao a good leader? No discussion on that is allowed.

What is the criteria for blocking websites? Don&#039;t ask.

Some of the comments translated here are laughable

Patriotism? I thought that meant a love of and loyalty to one&#039;s country.

That does not mean I have to agree with the communist party and it&#039;s leaders.

Some examples of the laughable comments above

race traitor running dog
Send some agents to go “take Lee out
relinquishing sovereignty is wrong
A standard race traitor
harmonious society of the motherland.
His approach essentially that of a race traitor
disgrace for us Chinese;
scourge on the Chinese people
Hong Kong&#039;s patriots 

What a load of rubbish.

China has 1.2 billion people. How many are uneducated and being used as the cheap labour that is behind the country&#039;s current success?

Maybe someone should praise the Chinese space missions.

But they are 40 years late and have the advantage of modern technology.

And they were using Russian spacecraft anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, it loses somthing in the translation, I&#8217;m sure, but I think this is why many people laugh at people in China.</p>
<p>Has anyone said yet that Martin Lee has &#8220;hurt the feelings of all the Chinese people&#8221;?</p>
<p>They probably will.</p>
<p>Every country has its problems, and the US can certainly be pointed to as having many faults, but China stands out with the petty stupidity of the people and the system.</p>
<p>I think it all falls back to the fact that you can&#8217;t talk about things.</p>
<p>If there is a riot over land rights in some province, it&#8217;s not reported or debated as to who was right and who was wrong.</p>
<p>How many people did nor did not die in 1989? No, you can&#8217;t even ask the question.</p>
<p>Is Hu Jintao a good leader? No discussion on that is allowed.</p>
<p>What is the criteria for blocking websites? Don&#8217;t ask.</p>
<p>Some of the comments translated here are laughable</p>
<p>Patriotism? I thought that meant a love of and loyalty to one&#8217;s country.</p>
<p>That does not mean I have to agree with the communist party and it&#8217;s leaders.</p>
<p>Some examples of the laughable comments above</p>
<p>race traitor running dog<br />
Send some agents to go “take Lee out<br />
relinquishing sovereignty is wrong<br />
A standard race traitor<br />
harmonious society of the motherland.<br />
His approach essentially that of a race traitor<br />
disgrace for us Chinese;<br />
scourge on the Chinese people<br />
Hong Kong&#8217;s patriots </p>
<p>What a load of rubbish.</p>
<p>China has 1.2 billion people. How many are uneducated and being used as the cheap labour that is behind the country&#8217;s current success?</p>
<p>Maybe someone should praise the Chinese space missions.</p>
<p>But they are 40 years late and have the advantage of modern technology.</p>
<p>And they were using Russian spacecraft anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Martin Lee had done is causing more harm than good to the world as a whole up till present and ruining the Olympic spirit which in great extend is still treasured by most mainlander Chinese. Mainland Chinese are still thinking Olympic game is a good chance to bring understanding and mutual respects between countries and races. Martin Lee&#039;s brainless deed had caused shame on Hong Kongers to have such lawmaker!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Martin Lee had done is causing more harm than good to the world as a whole up till present and ruining the Olympic spirit which in great extend is still treasured by most mainlander Chinese. Mainland Chinese are still thinking Olympic game is a good chance to bring understanding and mutual respects between countries and races. Martin Lee&#8217;s brainless deed had caused shame on Hong Kongers to have such lawmaker!!</p>
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		<title>By: Frederikke Tømmergaard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frederikke Tømmergaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Charles Liu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Liu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 01:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you name one US politician that called for politicizing the Los Angeles Olympics in the 1980&#039;s, in light of the fact we trained Osma Bin Ladin and bank rolled his terrorist organization?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you name one US politician that called for politicizing the Los Angeles Olympics in the 1980&#8242;s, in light of the fact we trained Osma Bin Ladin and bank rolled his terrorist organization?</p>
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