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	<title>Comments on: Morocco: The King of the Poor?</title>
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		<title>By: The Facts are</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/09/17/morocco-the-king-of-the-poor/comment-page-3/#comment-1495187</link>
		<dc:creator>The Facts are</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The recent events in Azrou and Ifni clearly show that he is The king of his interest and quickly changing into a despotic dictator like his father.  He is resorting to his daddy’s tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recent events in Azrou and Ifni clearly show that he is The king of his interest and quickly changing into a despotic dictator like his father.  He is resorting to his daddy’s tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: The Facts are</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/09/17/morocco-the-king-of-the-poor/comment-page-3/#comment-1486428</link>
		<dc:creator>The Facts are</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The king of the poor&quot; who are they kidding?!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The king of the poor&#8221; who are they kidding?!!</p>
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		<title>By: DESH IggY (chavez fan)</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/09/17/morocco-the-king-of-the-poor/comment-page-3/#comment-1475229</link>
		<dc:creator>DESH IggY (chavez fan)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im trying to use carefully crafted words to express the current political climate in morocco !But judging by the pro king M-V1 responses on this page  may i make a recommendation for people to ruminate on the articles written by&quot;TELQUEL&quot;. Knowledge is king.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im trying to use carefully crafted words to express the current political climate in morocco !But judging by the pro king M-V1 responses on this page  may i make a recommendation for people to ruminate on the articles written by&#8221;TELQUEL&#8221;. Knowledge is king&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: desh iggy</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/09/17/morocco-the-king-of-the-poor/comment-page-2/#comment-1473491</link>
		<dc:creator>desh iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May i take this opportunity to say a big thank you to Lounsbury, Khalil,&amp; Hisham but not necessarily in that order...They can &quot;See&quot; the big picture and are not blinded by ignorance.I have read with impartiality the pro king M-VI  views and they are full of flaws,errors and false propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May i take this opportunity to say a big thank you to Lounsbury, Khalil,&amp; Hisham but not necessarily in that order&#8230;They can &#8220;See&#8221; the big picture and are not blinded by ignorance.I have read with impartiality the pro king M-VI  views and they are full of flaws,errors and false propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: the Facts are</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/09/17/morocco-the-king-of-the-poor/comment-page-2/#comment-1455440</link>
		<dc:creator>the Facts are</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 11:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Khalil made the most important point in this whole debate. The question we have before us is how the Moroccan Monarchy amassed this vast fortune, especially in a country that has no oil, mineral resources, industry, financial services, etc…..
The truth is this robbery has beenn happening in separate eras.

After the independence, Mohammed V (and after that Hassan II) appropriated all the Moroccan assets established during Morocco&#039;s status as a French protectorate. Whereas, in most countries these assets were either nationalized or privatized. In Morocco on the other hand they become the personal property of the Sultan and his family. (Does the word ONA ring a bell?)

After this period, Morocco entered the so called period of “Globalization” ( or the era of “The king of the poor”).  Where in effect, all state owned services and utilities were privatized. Morocco moved from a state monopoly to a regime monopoly.
The truth is, the present situation is the reason why the Moroccan economy suffers from poor competitiveness, which is in return a major factor of Morocco&#039;s trade deficit and underdevelopment.
Al ikhwan al maghrib dialhoum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Khalil made the most important point in this whole debate. The question we have before us is how the Moroccan Monarchy amassed this vast fortune, especially in a country that has no oil, mineral resources, industry, financial services, etc…..<br />
The truth is this robbery has beenn happening in separate eras.</p>
<p>After the independence, Mohammed V (and after that Hassan II) appropriated all the Moroccan assets established during Morocco&#8217;s status as a French protectorate. Whereas, in most countries these assets were either nationalized or privatized. In Morocco on the other hand they become the personal property of the Sultan and his family. (Does the word ONA ring a bell?)</p>
<p>After this period, Morocco entered the so called period of “Globalization” ( or the era of “The king of the poor”).  Where in effect, all state owned services and utilities were privatized. Morocco moved from a state monopoly to a regime monopoly.<br />
The truth is, the present situation is the reason why the Moroccan economy suffers from poor competitiveness, which is in return a major factor of Morocco&#8217;s trade deficit and underdevelopment.<br />
Al ikhwan al maghrib dialhoum</p>
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		<title>By: the Facts are</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Facts are</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 11:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Khalil made to most important point in this whole debate. The question we have before us is how the Moroccan amassed this vast fortune, especially in a country that has no oil, mineral resources, industry, financial services, etc…..
The truth this robbery was done in separate eras.

After independence, Mohammed V (and after that Hassan II) appropriated all the Moroccan assets established during Morocco&#039;s status as a French protectorate. Whereas, in most countries these assets were either nationalized or privatized. In Morocco on the other hand they become the personal property of the Sultan and his family. (Does the word ONA ring a bell?)

After this period, Morocco entered the so called period of “Globalization” ( or the era of “The king of the poor”).  Where in effect, all state owned services and utilities were privatized. Morocco moved from a state monopoly to a regime monopoly.
The truth is, the present situation is the reason why the Moroccan economy suffers from poor competitiveness, which is in return a major factor of Morocco&#039;s trade deficit and underdevelopment.
Al ikhwan al maghrib dialhoum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Khalil made to most important point in this whole debate. The question we have before us is how the Moroccan amassed this vast fortune, especially in a country that has no oil, mineral resources, industry, financial services, etc…..<br />
The truth this robbery was done in separate eras.</p>
<p>After independence, Mohammed V (and after that Hassan II) appropriated all the Moroccan assets established during Morocco&#8217;s status as a French protectorate. Whereas, in most countries these assets were either nationalized or privatized. In Morocco on the other hand they become the personal property of the Sultan and his family. (Does the word ONA ring a bell?)</p>
<p>After this period, Morocco entered the so called period of “Globalization” ( or the era of “The king of the poor”).  Where in effect, all state owned services and utilities were privatized. Morocco moved from a state monopoly to a regime monopoly.<br />
The truth is, the present situation is the reason why the Moroccan economy suffers from poor competitiveness, which is in return a major factor of Morocco&#8217;s trade deficit and underdevelopment.<br />
Al ikhwan al maghrib dialhoum</p>
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		<title>By: khalil</title>
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		<dc:creator>khalil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im amazed of how stupid some of the comment are here supposedly from educated moroccans!!when mohamed 5 came from madagaskar&#039; . he had no money at all! so where all this whealth come from.... moroccan people of course</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im amazed of how stupid some of the comment are here supposedly from educated moroccans!!when mohamed 5 came from madagaskar&#8217; . he had no money at all! so where all this whealth come from&#8230;. moroccan people of course</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian York</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/09/17/morocco-the-king-of-the-poor/comment-page-2/#comment-1195695</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;if Jillian says “M6 owns Marjane. And he also has shares in Danone &amp; Maroc Telecom” then it must be true&lt;/i&gt;

Jillian didn&#039;t say that at all.  I only pointed out his wealth from business as compared to the Queen of England&#039;s.  Regardless, I do not take issue with money M6 makes from being a businessman, I take issue with how much he is purported to spend on a daily basis, and the fact that his spending creates a negative image for the Moroccan public and for Morocco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>if Jillian says “M6 owns Marjane. And he also has shares in Danone &#038; Maroc Telecom” then it must be true</i></p>
<p>Jillian didn&#8217;t say that at all.  I only pointed out his wealth from business as compared to the Queen of England&#8217;s.  Regardless, I do not take issue with money M6 makes from being a businessman, I take issue with how much he is purported to spend on a daily basis, and the fact that his spending creates a negative image for the Moroccan public and for Morocco.</p>
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		<title>By: bouba</title>
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		<dc:creator>bouba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a very &quot;interesting conversation&quot;.
Royal wealth has been piling up since the 17th C. and it is not just Mohamed 6 who owns that wealth. it is true he has his personal wealth but a lot of it is managed through other companies, trusts, etc
He does not stand as a manager of a business man managing &quot;Marjane or Danone&quot;, as some might think. Maybe  you do not see him in Marjane and ...because he does not manage them directly and does not own them directly either.
Forbs and other voices make things public for a lot of reasons. when people hear the king owns a certain company, they might shy off from any competition with it and they all go to do other things and this is just one way of making their profits perpetual. 
maybe a previous comment pointed the bad effect of all this on the morocan economy. that is right from the perspective of wanting morocco to catch up with world capital economy. 
if Jillian says &quot;M6 owns Marjane. And he also has shares in Danone &amp; Maroc Telecom&quot; then it must be true but we seek truth and  depth in other places like Spain for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a very &#8220;interesting conversation&#8221;.<br />
Royal wealth has been piling up since the 17th C. and it is not just Mohamed 6 who owns that wealth. it is true he has his personal wealth but a lot of it is managed through other companies, trusts, etc<br />
He does not stand as a manager of a business man managing &#8220;Marjane or Danone&#8221;, as some might think. Maybe  you do not see him in Marjane and &#8230;because he does not manage them directly and does not own them directly either.<br />
Forbs and other voices make things public for a lot of reasons. when people hear the king owns a certain company, they might shy off from any competition with it and they all go to do other things and this is just one way of making their profits perpetual.<br />
maybe a previous comment pointed the bad effect of all this on the morocan economy. that is right from the perspective of wanting morocco to catch up with world capital economy.<br />
if Jillian says &#8220;M6 owns Marjane. And he also has shares in Danone &amp; Maroc Telecom&#8221; then it must be true but we seek truth and  depth in other places like Spain for example.</p>
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		<title>By: ABDOU</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/09/17/morocco-the-king-of-the-poor/comment-page-2/#comment-1195588</link>
		<dc:creator>ABDOU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a law that prevent kings from being businessmen and having shares in companies and developing their wealth.I agree that they should stay away from taxpayers money, but what if they inherited some money?
Back to Bush, since he came to office,and because of his worldwide strategy, the oil prices climbed from $25 to more than $80 a barrel for the benefit of oil companies .
he is a smart guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a law that prevent kings from being businessmen and having shares in companies and developing their wealth.I agree that they should stay away from taxpayers money, but what if they inherited some money?<br />
Back to Bush, since he came to office,and because of his worldwide strategy, the oil prices climbed from $25 to more than $80 a barrel for the benefit of oil companies .<br />
he is a smart guy.</p>
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		<title>By: The Lounsbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Lounsbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a matter of data, I would take the Forbes &quot;net worth&quot; estimates with a large grain of salt. The wounded cries of patriots aside, the recent semi-transparency of the Moroccan monarchy no doubt distorts things (given the utter opaqueness of say the Emirates, and I do mean utter having worked there). 

But a bit of analysis. There is no question the Alaoui dynastic family has a great deal of wealth, held privately, and further the Royal Court gets massive subsidy from the State Budget for its operations.

Those are two separate questions, although legitimately interrelated. While some good degree of Palace Expenditure is doubtless justifiable on a transparent basis for reasons of State - diplo receptions, functioning of the Executive, etc. - I am sure some could and should be justifiably imputed on the Alouie dynasty&#039;s personal fortune. 

On the side of the King &quot;owning&quot; Marjane and other companies (via the lovely opacity of the ONA holding compnay), that is inexact. The King and immediate family indirectly have &lt;i&gt;controlling interests&lt;/i&gt; in ONA, which holds a number of companies (Marjane, etc). However, the Royals are not the &lt;b&gt;majority&lt;/b&gt; owners of ONA. Lots of others have a share of that pie. But, as noted, the Royals have both a legal (de jure via shareholding structure) and a de facto control of the company. 

Nothing wrong with that &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt;, private enterprise is a good thing.

However, when the King as Head of State &amp; Executive allows the Makhzen to put the machinery of State to work to favour contra law, regulation and National (versus personal) economic interest by trying to crush or thwart ONA competitors to preserve effective monopoly and thus earn extra profits (not just for the Royals, for the total shareholders of course, who are by extension free riding on the Makhzen exploitation of the situation), that&#039;s bad for the economy. It&#039;s bad for the average Moroccan who ends up paying higher prices for goods in ONA &quot;fiefdoms&quot; and its bad in that Moroccan (and foreign, I speak from experience) entrepreneurs and investors actively avoid trying to build businesses (and thus jobs) where they think ONA wants exclusivity or to be the Big Boy.

Ergo, the Makhzen spoils the free market game, which should be creating wealth, because the flunkies want to extract rents and play little games. You end up then with the average rate-payer and average Moroccan losing out, at the expense of some toadies for no particularly good reason.

Bad for the economy, really against the long term interests of the Monarchy, but does serve the short term interests of some toadies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a matter of data, I would take the Forbes &#8220;net worth&#8221; estimates with a large grain of salt. The wounded cries of patriots aside, the recent semi-transparency of the Moroccan monarchy no doubt distorts things (given the utter opaqueness of say the Emirates, and I do mean utter having worked there). </p>
<p>But a bit of analysis. There is no question the Alaoui dynastic family has a great deal of wealth, held privately, and further the Royal Court gets massive subsidy from the State Budget for its operations.</p>
<p>Those are two separate questions, although legitimately interrelated. While some good degree of Palace Expenditure is doubtless justifiable on a transparent basis for reasons of State &#8211; diplo receptions, functioning of the Executive, etc. &#8211; I am sure some could and should be justifiably imputed on the Alouie dynasty&#8217;s personal fortune. </p>
<p>On the side of the King &#8220;owning&#8221; Marjane and other companies (via the lovely opacity of the ONA holding compnay), that is inexact. The King and immediate family indirectly have <i>controlling interests</i> in ONA, which holds a number of companies (Marjane, etc). However, the Royals are not the <b>majority</b> owners of ONA. Lots of others have a share of that pie. But, as noted, the Royals have both a legal (de jure via shareholding structure) and a de facto control of the company. </p>
<p>Nothing wrong with that <i>per se</i>, private enterprise is a good thing.</p>
<p>However, when the King as Head of State &amp; Executive allows the Makhzen to put the machinery of State to work to favour contra law, regulation and National (versus personal) economic interest by trying to crush or thwart ONA competitors to preserve effective monopoly and thus earn extra profits (not just for the Royals, for the total shareholders of course, who are by extension free riding on the Makhzen exploitation of the situation), that&#8217;s bad for the economy. It&#8217;s bad for the average Moroccan who ends up paying higher prices for goods in ONA &#8220;fiefdoms&#8221; and its bad in that Moroccan (and foreign, I speak from experience) entrepreneurs and investors actively avoid trying to build businesses (and thus jobs) where they think ONA wants exclusivity or to be the Big Boy.</p>
<p>Ergo, the Makhzen spoils the free market game, which should be creating wealth, because the flunkies want to extract rents and play little games. You end up then with the average rate-payer and average Moroccan losing out, at the expense of some toadies for no particularly good reason.</p>
<p>Bad for the economy, really against the long term interests of the Monarchy, but does serve the short term interests of some toadies.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian York</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillian York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mehdi B - According to Forbes, the Queen of England&#039;s net worth is far less than M6&#039;s.  That doesn&#039;t surprise me in the least; she doesn&#039;t hold as many shares as he does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mehdi B &#8211; According to Forbes, the Queen of England&#8217;s net worth is far less than M6&#8217;s.  That doesn&#8217;t surprise me in the least; she doesn&#8217;t hold as many shares as he does.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian York</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillian York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abdou:  I don&#039;t believe that&#039;s what Gatita was implying.  The point is, Bush (and whomever else in the US government) was a businessman before becoming president, and although his wealth is absurd, he is not president for life.  And, any money he is making personally from Iraq is illegal blood money - I know that it&#039;s happening, but I also know it isn&#039;t right.

Suffice to say, this isn&#039;t an argument over what&#039;s going on, rather, it&#039;s an argument about what is or isn&#039;t right - and neither Bush or M6 are right in this, in my humble opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abdou:  I don&#8217;t believe that&#8217;s what Gatita was implying.  The point is, Bush (and whomever else in the US government) was a businessman before becoming president, and although his wealth is absurd, he is not president for life.  And, any money he is making personally from Iraq is illegal blood money &#8211; I know that it&#8217;s happening, but I also know it isn&#8217;t right.</p>
<p>Suffice to say, this isn&#8217;t an argument over what&#8217;s going on, rather, it&#8217;s an argument about what is or isn&#8217;t right &#8211; and neither Bush or M6 are right in this, in my humble opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: ABDOU</title>
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		<dc:creator>ABDOU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gatita:don&#039;t tell me Bush (also cheney,baker...) has  no shares in the oil firms in Tx, and he is in Iraq for the beauitiful eyes of the Iraqis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gatita:don&#8217;t tell me Bush (also cheney,baker&#8230;) has  no shares in the oil firms in Tx, and he is in Iraq for the beauitiful eyes of the Iraqis.</p>
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		<title>By: La Gatita Gringa</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Gatita Gringa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooops! I spoke incorrectly. M6 owns Marjane. And he also has shares in Danone &amp; Maroc Telecom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops! I spoke incorrectly. M6 owns Marjane. And he also has shares in Danone &amp; Maroc Telecom.</p>
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