Comments on: Israel: Sudanese Refugees - like Darfur, as Auschwitz http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/ The world is talking. Are you listening? Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:14:08 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Global Voices Online » Israel: Modern Day Exodus, on African Refugees and their Right for Medical Care http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-2/#comment-1440205 Global Voices Online » Israel: Modern Day Exodus, on African Refugees and their Right for Medical Care Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:48:13 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1440205 [...] GVO article on African refugees in Israel - Israel-Sudanese Refugees: Like Darfur, as Auschwitz Posted by Gilad Lotan Share [...] [...] GVO article on African refugees in Israel – Israel-Sudanese Refugees: Like Darfur, as Auschwitz Posted by Gilad Lotan Share [...]

]]> By: Nobody http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-2/#comment-1193338 Nobody Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:08:23 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1193338 If they are refugees with no home, Israel cannot send them back to a country that may very well kill them. If Israel does, then we as Jews and Israelis have learned nothing. But, if we help them, we have learned everything. ---------- you see jeniffer .. technically speaking we dont have to talk so much about these refugees .. because there are other considerations .. one of them is that we have only one country .. another one we dont have ... and this country is a pariah state shunned by the west and at war with this bloody muslim civilization ... i am thrilled to hear that you can go to canada to see your family .. but many of us who live here have no second passport .. many of us dont know where to go if something happens to this country like for example if israel loses its jewish majority .. and surprisingly i have very little trust in these arabs/muslims to stay here if anything like this happens .. i dont know what you have learned but my holocaust lesson was a simple one and it's that if you dont have a second passport other people can simply wipe you out of existence ... have some mercy on us, you and other boddhisattvas who got second passport .. we have nowhere to go if shit happens ... and there is another lesson of the holocaust .. and it is that your people come first ... you cannot care for other people if comes at the expense of your own ... have some mercy on your compatriots who are watching this mess and just shaking their heads in disbelieve ... i know it's not part of your sense of humanity but maybe just for the sake of that bloody holocaust If they are refugees with no home, Israel cannot send them back to a country that may very well kill them. If Israel does, then we as Jews and Israelis have learned nothing. But, if we help them, we have learned everything.

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you see jeniffer .. technically speaking we dont have to talk so much about these refugees .. because there are other considerations .. one of them is that we have only one country .. another one we dont have …

and this country is a pariah state shunned by the west and at war with this bloody muslim civilization …

i am thrilled to hear that you can go to canada to see your family .. but many of us who live here have no second passport .. many of us dont know where to go if something happens to this country like for example if israel loses its jewish majority .. and surprisingly i have very little trust in these arabs/muslims to stay here if anything like this happens ..

i dont know what you have learned but my holocaust lesson was a simple one and it’s that if you dont have a second passport other people can simply wipe you out of existence … have some mercy on us, you and other boddhisattvas who got second passport .. we have nowhere to go if shit happens …

and there is another lesson of the holocaust .. and it is that your people come first … you cannot care for other people if comes at the expense of your own … have some mercy on your compatriots who are watching this mess and just shaking their heads in disbelieve … i know it’s not part of your sense of humanity but maybe just for the sake of that bloody holocaust

]]> By: Nobody http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-2/#comment-1193333 Nobody Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:03:45 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1193333 to call the conflict in Darfur simply an ethic conflict is wrong. It is genocide. The Sudanese government has sent Janjaweed Milita groups that have burned down entire villages, raped and massacred hundreds of thousands of people, and displaced hundreds of thousands more. A child is a child is a child. A person is a person is a person. The overwhelming majority of Darfurians are victims of genocide. They did not ask to be slaughtered nor did they threaten to do the same to others. ----------- the sudanese government has sent the janjaweed only after it has lost the war !!! when the sudanese army was routed by the darfurians the governemnt turned to the local arab militias ... these people may look miserable but you should better not to ask the arabs what was going on when the arabs were on the receiving end of this rebellion to call the conflict in Darfur simply an ethic conflict is wrong. It is genocide. The Sudanese government has sent Janjaweed Milita groups that have burned down entire villages, raped and massacred hundreds of thousands of people, and displaced hundreds of thousands more. A child is a child is a child. A person is a person is a person. The overwhelming majority of Darfurians are victims of genocide. They did not ask to be slaughtered nor did they threaten to do the same to others.

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the sudanese government has sent the janjaweed only after it has lost the war !!! when the sudanese army was routed by the darfurians the governemnt turned to the local arab militias … these people may look miserable but you should better not to ask the arabs what was going on when the arabs were on the receiving end of this rebellion

]]> By: Nobody http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-2/#comment-1193331 Nobody Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:54:29 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1193331 1) Darfurians are not safe in Khartuom. Sudanese refugees who are not from Darfur are not safe in Khartuom. That is why they are refugees. Many of them have actual UN papers saying that they are official refugees; others had their papers taken from them by Egyptian authorities who are racist and indiscriminately detain people who are black Africans and not Arab. If you spoke to someone who ran across a border with a wife and three small children under the age of 10, with Egyptians firing at them, not knowing what would happen after he crossed the border, you’d realize he didn’t do it for economic gain but out of desperation. He thought he and his family would be killed in Egypt or sent back to Sudan, which would have the same result. ----------- jeniffer you simply shock me with your naivety ... what kind of stories do you expect from somebody who is looking for asylum ??? that this person tell you that he is safe in khartoom and came to israel just because he heard that salaries in israel are better ??? being a refugee has become a culture in our days ... and story telling has become a part of this culture .... i also met people from the third world looking for asylum in europe... 99% of their stories are fake ... you dont learn anything by helping refugees from muslim countries ... the rate of infiltration will soon be in thousands ...and dont be surprised to see these people in two-three years on al-jazeera accusing israelis of racism and discrimination ... it's extremely difficult to integrate african refugees ... these people will fail to integrate and will blame us in their failure ... given that they are muslims dont be surprised to see them later joining our islamic movement or some other hostile israeli arab movement ... the story telling will end the very moment these people know that they are not going to be deported 1) Darfurians are not safe in Khartuom. Sudanese refugees who are not from Darfur are not safe in Khartuom. That is why they are refugees. Many of them have actual UN papers saying that they are official refugees; others had their papers taken from them by Egyptian authorities who are racist and indiscriminately detain people who are black Africans and not Arab. If you spoke to someone who ran across a border with a wife and three small children under the age of 10, with Egyptians firing at them, not knowing what would happen after he crossed the border, you’d realize he didn’t do it for economic gain but out of desperation. He thought he and his family would be killed in Egypt or sent back to Sudan, which would have the same result.

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you simply shock me with your naivety … what kind of stories do you expect from somebody who is looking for asylum ??? that this person tell you that he is safe in khartoom and came to israel just because he heard that salaries in israel are better ???

being a refugee has become a culture in our days … and story telling has become a part of this culture …. i also met people from the third world looking for asylum in europe… 99% of their stories are fake …

you dont learn anything by helping refugees from muslim countries … the rate of infiltration will soon be in thousands …and dont be surprised to see these people in two-three years on al-jazeera accusing israelis of racism and discrimination … it’s extremely difficult to integrate african refugees … these people will fail to integrate and will blame us in their failure … given that they are muslims dont be surprised to see them later joining our islamic movement or some other hostile israeli arab movement … the story telling will end the very moment these people know that they are not going to be deported

]]> By: sarah http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-2/#comment-1193171 sarah Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:18:41 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1193171 Just wanted to refer you guys to this article. It interviews some refugees that fled to Israel. http://www.jewishexponent.com/article/13790/ Something to keep in mind is that many of the refugees who crossed the border into Israel are not from Darfur, but other African countries. According to the article, only 10-12% of the migrants are from Darfur. One of the bloggers on this site said Israel was placing these refugees in "detention camps" where they can't be seen. If you've looked at a map in the last 30 some years, you'll see that Israel is pretty small. To be taking in 50 refugees / day, the Jewish Agency and Israeli government will put them where there's space, in the southern desert region. According to Emanuel, a 16-year-old refugee from Darfur living in Israel, he stays in an aliyah village outside of Sderot. Emanuel gets a bed, three meals a day, and goes to swimming pools, etc. These are luxuries some poor Israelis don't even have. That hardly sounds like a detention camp. Just wanted to refer you guys to this article. It interviews some refugees that fled to Israel. http://www.jewishexponent.com/article/13790/

Something to keep in mind is that many of the refugees who crossed the border into Israel are not from Darfur, but other African countries. According to the article, only 10-12% of the migrants are from Darfur.

One of the bloggers on this site said Israel was placing these refugees in “detention camps” where they can’t be seen. If you’ve looked at a map in the last 30 some years, you’ll see that Israel is pretty small. To be taking in 50 refugees / day, the Jewish Agency and Israeli government will put them where there’s space, in the southern desert region.

According to Emanuel, a 16-year-old refugee from Darfur living in Israel, he stays in an aliyah village outside of Sderot. Emanuel gets a bed, three meals a day, and goes to swimming pools, etc. These are luxuries some poor Israelis don’t even have. That hardly sounds like a detention camp.

]]> By: Gilad Lotan http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-2/#comment-1193020 Gilad Lotan Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:28:09 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1193020 On August 3rd the Knesset voted against banishing the refugees. This vote was passed by a majority of 63. But over the past weekend, 50 refugees were sent back to Egypt. So those who came early can stay, whereas the refugees trying to enter Israel now (around 50 per day) are sent back. AP: "Israel said Sunday it will no longer allow refugees from Darfur to stay after they sneak across the border from Egypt, drawing criticism from those who say the Jewish state is morally obliged to offer sanctuary to people fleeing mass murder. Israel has been grappling for months over how to deal with the swelling numbers of Africans, including some from Darfur, who have been crossing the porous desert border. The number of migrants has shot up to as many as 50 a day, according to the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, apparently as word of job opportunities in Israel has spread. The rise has led to concerns that the country could face a flood of African refugees if it doesn't take a harsher stand on asylum seekers. But Israel has not turned back refugees from Darfur until now, and last month Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said a limited number would even be allowed to remain in Israel. On Sunday, a government spokesman said some 500 Darfurians already in Israel would be allowed to stay, but all new asylum seekers would be sent back to Egypt, with no exception." On August 3rd the Knesset voted against banishing the refugees. This vote was passed by a majority of 63. But over the past weekend, 50 refugees were sent back to Egypt. So those who came early can stay, whereas the refugees trying to enter Israel now (around 50 per day) are sent back.

AP: “Israel said Sunday it will no longer allow refugees from Darfur to stay after they sneak across the border from Egypt, drawing criticism from those who say the Jewish state is morally obliged to offer sanctuary to people fleeing mass murder.

Israel has been grappling for months over how to deal with the swelling numbers of Africans, including some from Darfur, who have been crossing the porous desert border.

The number of migrants has shot up to as many as 50 a day, according to the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, apparently as word of job opportunities in Israel has spread. The rise has led to concerns that the country could face a flood of African refugees if it doesn’t take a harsher stand on asylum seekers.

But Israel has not turned back refugees from Darfur until now, and last month Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said a limited number would even be allowed to remain in Israel.

On Sunday, a government spokesman said some 500 Darfurians already in Israel would be allowed to stay, but all new asylum seekers would be sent back to Egypt, with no exception.”

]]> By: Jennifer http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-2/#comment-1192712 Jennifer Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:23:51 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1192712 I also have a blog that I've been keeping since March about experiences with Sudanese refugees. I haven't updated for a couple of months because I am in Canada visiting my family... http://www.hillel.dreamhosters.com/blog/?cat=7 I also have a blog that I’ve been keeping since March about experiences with Sudanese refugees. I haven’t updated for a couple of months because I am in Canada visiting my family…
http://www.hillel.dreamhosters.com/blog/?cat=7

]]> By: Jennifer http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-2/#comment-1192711 Jennifer Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:22:06 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1192711 This is a response to Nobody: I live in Beer Sheva. I have been volunteering with 7 refugees on Kibbutz Sde Boker since last March. I have also been very involved in helping students at Ben Gurion University organize awareness campaigns as well as helping the refugees who were dropped off onto the streets by the IDF. Therefore, I have spoken to many refugees and been witness to their personal stories. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. 1) Darfurians are not safe in Khartuom. Sudanese refugees who are not from Darfur are not safe in Khartuom. That is why they are refugees. Many of them have actual UN papers saying that they are official refugees; others had their papers taken from them by Egyptian authorities who are racist and indiscriminately detain people who are black Africans and not Arab. If you spoke to someone who ran across a border with a wife and three small children under the age of 10, with Egyptians firing at them, not knowing what would happen after he crossed the border, you'd realize he didn't do it for economic gain but out of desperation. He thought he and his family would be killed in Egypt or sent back to Sudan, which would have the same result. 2) to call the conflict in Darfur simply an ethic conflict is wrong. It is genocide. The Sudanese government has sent Janjaweed Milita groups that have burned down entire villages, raped and massacred hundreds of thousands of people, and displaced hundreds of thousands more. A child is a child is a child. A person is a person is a person. The overwhelming majority of Darfurians are victims of genocide. They did not ask to be slaughtered nor did they threaten to do the same to others. Speak to someone from Darfur. See the pain in his face when he speaks about what it is like to watch his family being slaughtered. Maybe then, you would have a sense of humanity. I've asked plenty of refugees where they want to live if given a choice. Most said that they wanted to go back to Sudan. They miss their family (if they have living family) and they miss their home. However, they cannot go back because they will be killed. That is why they left. So don't talk as if you know the experiences or motives of the refugees. They've been through hell and back and are asking for asylum from a nation that is all too familiar with the words persecution, genocide, and exile. The least Israel could do is listen to them and give them a judicial review. If they are refugees with no home, Israel cannot send them back to a country that may very well kill them. If Israel does, then we as Jews and Israelis have learned nothing. But, if we help them, we have learned everything. This is a response to Nobody:
I live in Beer Sheva. I have been volunteering with 7 refugees on Kibbutz Sde Boker since last March. I have also been very involved in helping students at Ben Gurion University organize awareness campaigns as well as helping the refugees who were dropped off onto the streets by the IDF. Therefore, I have spoken to many refugees and been witness to their personal stories. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
1) Darfurians are not safe in Khartuom. Sudanese refugees who are not from Darfur are not safe in Khartuom. That is why they are refugees. Many of them have actual UN papers saying that they are official refugees; others had their papers taken from them by Egyptian authorities who are racist and indiscriminately detain people who are black Africans and not Arab. If you spoke to someone who ran across a border with a wife and three small children under the age of 10, with Egyptians firing at them, not knowing what would happen after he crossed the border, you’d realize he didn’t do it for economic gain but out of desperation. He thought he and his family would be killed in Egypt or sent back to Sudan, which would have the same result.
2) to call the conflict in Darfur simply an ethic conflict is wrong. It is genocide. The Sudanese government has sent Janjaweed Milita groups that have burned down entire villages, raped and massacred hundreds of thousands of people, and displaced hundreds of thousands more. A child is a child is a child. A person is a person is a person. The overwhelming majority of Darfurians are victims of genocide. They did not ask to be slaughtered nor did they threaten to do the same to others. Speak to someone from Darfur. See the pain in his face when he speaks about what it is like to watch his family being slaughtered. Maybe then, you would have a sense of humanity.
I’ve asked plenty of refugees where they want to live if given a choice. Most said that they wanted to go back to Sudan. They miss their family (if they have living family) and they miss their home. However, they cannot go back because they will be killed. That is why they left. So don’t talk as if you know the experiences or motives of the refugees. They’ve been through hell and back and are asking for asylum from a nation that is all too familiar with the words persecution, genocide, and exile. The least Israel could do is listen to them and give them a judicial review. If they are refugees with no home, Israel cannot send them back to a country that may very well kill them. If Israel does, then we as Jews and Israelis have learned nothing. But, if we help them, we have learned everything.

]]> By: Israelity » Sudanese & Education http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-2/#comment-1192463 Israelity » Sudanese & Education Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:11:53 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1192463 [...] debate between politicians and human rights activists over how to most effectively deal with the Sudanese refugees arriving to Israel from Darfur remains heated. The refugees are fleeing genocide, on the one hand, but are [...] [...] debate between politicians and human rights activists over how to most effectively deal with the Sudanese refugees arriving to Israel from Darfur remains heated. The refugees are fleeing genocide, on the one hand, but are [...]

]]> By: Abe Bird http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-2/#comment-1191672 Abe Bird Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:27:40 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1191672 Nobody What nonsense. You know nothing about how the Israelis treat well the Sudanese. Check before catch. Nobody

What nonsense. You know nothing about how the Israelis treat well the Sudanese. Check before catch.

]]> By: Chaya http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-1191484 Chaya Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:59:18 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1191484 There is a good video about the Sudanese refugees in Israel at this web site: http://www.israelupclose.org/ There is a good video about the Sudanese refugees in Israel at this web site: http://www.israelupclose.org/

]]> By: Nobody http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-1191481 Nobody Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:47:31 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1191481 Maybe you haven’t understood (this is meant specifically for the commenter under no-name) - but your reaction is the exact one fleeing Jews received upon trying to escape Nazi-Europe in the late 30s. ---------- this is nonsense ... the darfurians are safe even in sudan as long as they dont stay in darfur ...in khartoom alone there are dozens of thousands of darfurians and while they face economic hardships they are in no physical danger there ... neither jews in 1930's fought nazis while the darfurian rebel factions are famous for their violence against each other during which they attack each other villages killing and raping each other .. these people are no jews .... to be precise the only difference between janjaweed and darfurians is that the janjaweed have won the war .. otherwise the whole story would have been replayed in reverse with the darfurians attacking, raping and ethnic cleansing the arabs... this cannot be said about jewish refugees in europe who did not resist (the conflict in darfur was started by the darfurian separatists, not by the arabs) while the danger for them was a real one ... it's impossible to call the darfurian conflict a genocide and compare it to holocaust as it's just an ethnic conflict in which both parties widely resort to ethnic cleansing ------------- The precise numbers don’t mean much. ------------ their precise numbers mean a lot ... as these people are muslims on one hand and on the other neither me nor many other israelis fancy ourselves with going through another yugoslavia or iraq here ... however much you may enjoy your narcissistic self righteous moral posturing (it's a big fun , i agree , otherwise so many people would not be so addicted to it these days), there are other issues at stake here as for example safety of this country and your compatriots ... if you feel like you have to do something for these people you can donate half of your salary to the UN fund for refugees but please save us your noble projects .. it became so cheap to play into martin luther king these days ----------------- The importance of writing this post was to amplify the voices of local Israeli bloggers. These bloggers write only in Hebrew. GVO provides a much larger audience than most of them are used to. And the article represents their opinions. ----------------- there are more than enough israeli posts in english on this issue and they all feature the same combination of irresponsible idle moralizing and the total lack of any idea about the conflict in darfur and the possible implications of the refugee crisis for israel ... i assure you that your post added very little to the debate Maybe you haven’t understood (this is meant specifically for the commenter under no-name) – but your reaction is the exact one fleeing Jews received upon trying to escape Nazi-Europe in the late 30s.

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this is nonsense … the darfurians are safe even in sudan as long as they dont stay in darfur …in khartoom alone there are dozens of thousands of darfurians and while they face economic hardships they are in no physical danger there …

neither jews in 1930’s fought nazis while the darfurian rebel factions are famous for their violence against each other during which they attack each other villages killing and raping each other .. these people are no jews ….

to be precise the only difference between janjaweed and darfurians is that the janjaweed have won the war .. otherwise the whole story would have been replayed in reverse with the darfurians attacking, raping and ethnic cleansing the arabs… this cannot be said about jewish refugees in europe who did not resist (the conflict in darfur was started by the darfurian separatists, not by the arabs) while the danger for them was a real one … it’s impossible to call the darfurian conflict a genocide and compare it to holocaust as it’s just an ethnic conflict in which both parties widely resort to ethnic cleansing

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The precise numbers don’t mean much.

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their precise numbers mean a lot … as these people are muslims on one hand and on the other neither me nor many other israelis fancy ourselves with going through another yugoslavia or iraq here … however much you may enjoy your narcissistic self righteous moral posturing (it’s a big fun , i agree , otherwise so many people would not be so addicted to it these days), there are other issues at stake here as for example safety of this country and your compatriots … if you feel like you have to do something for these people you can donate half of your salary to the UN fund for refugees but please save us your noble projects .. it became so cheap to play into martin luther king these days

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The importance of writing this post was to amplify the voices of local Israeli bloggers. These bloggers write only in Hebrew. GVO provides a much larger audience than most of them are used to. And the article represents their opinions.

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there are more than enough israeli posts in english on this issue and they all feature the same combination of irresponsible idle moralizing and the total lack of any idea about the conflict in darfur and the possible implications of the refugee crisis for israel … i assure you that your post added very little to the debate

]]> By: Gilad Lotan http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-1191478 Gilad Lotan Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:52:52 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1191478 Maybe you haven't understood (this is meant specifically for the commenter under no-name) - but your reaction is the exact one fleeing Jews received upon trying to escape Nazi-Europe in the late 30s. People are running from their home country because of a genocide. If they are lucky, they receive refugee status in Egypt and are given food/shelter there, or sent to another country. But if they are not, how can you judge them for trying to cross into Israel? To want to lead a normal life. The precise numbers don't mean much. And even if Israel cannot accept all of the refugees (financially), it is wise enough to negotiate with international bodies and ask for help. But Israel has a moral and legal responsibility over them. The importance of writing this post was to amplify the voices of local Israeli bloggers. These bloggers write only in Hebrew. GVO provides a much larger audience than most of them are used to. And the article represents their opinions. Maybe you haven’t understood (this is meant specifically for the commenter under no-name) – but your reaction is the exact one fleeing Jews received upon trying to escape Nazi-Europe in the late 30s.

People are running from their home country because of a genocide. If they are lucky, they receive refugee status in Egypt and are given food/shelter there, or sent to another country. But if they are not, how can you judge them for trying to cross into Israel? To want to lead a normal life. The precise numbers don’t mean much. And even if Israel cannot accept all of the refugees (financially), it is wise enough to negotiate with international bodies and ask for help. But Israel has a moral and legal responsibility over them.

The importance of writing this post was to amplify the voices of local Israeli bloggers. These bloggers write only in Hebrew. GVO provides a much larger audience than most of them are used to. And the article represents their opinions.

]]> By: Readers Edition » Lager in Israel, eine neue Eva Peron und ein Ende der Plagiate - Bürgerjournalismus weltweit http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-1191161 Readers Edition » Lager in Israel, eine neue Eva Peron und ein Ende der Plagiate - Bürgerjournalismus weltweit Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:27:12 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1191161 [...] ist ihr Schicksal ungewiss – die Stimmung in der israelischen Blogosphäre dazu hat Gilad Lotan für Global Voices zusammengetragen. Häufig werden dort Vergleiche zu der israelischen [...] [...] ist ihr Schicksal ungewiss – die Stimmung in der israelischen Blogosphäre dazu hat Gilad Lotan für Global Voices zusammengetragen. Häufig werden dort Vergleiche zu der israelischen [...]

]]> By: Chaya http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/comment-page-1/#comment-1191054 Chaya Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:37:57 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/08/01/israel-sudanese-refugees-like-darfur-as-auschwitz/#comment-1191054 63 MK's have recently signed a petition asking that something be done to help the refugees currently in Israel many of whom have been working in hotels in Eilat. Many others are on kibbutzim. A few days ago two Sudanese were murdered by Egyptian soldiers as they were trying to get into Israel. Israeli soldiers tried to stop the Egyptian soldiers but were unable to do so. The Egyptian soldiers wound up beating to death one of the Sudanese!! 63 MK’s have recently signed a petition asking that something be done to help the refugees currently in Israel many of whom have been working in hotels in Eilat. Many others are on kibbutzim. A few days ago two Sudanese were murdered by Egyptian soldiers as they were trying to get into Israel. Israeli soldiers tried to stop the Egyptian soldiers but were unable to do so. The Egyptian soldiers wound up beating to death one of the Sudanese!!

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