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	<title>Comments on: India: Bloggers on art, morality, government and freedom of expression</title>
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		<title>By: bonglesehunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonglesehunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 12:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We never hear of the &quot;art&quot; community being offended when Satanic verses was banned in India or when there were violent protests against the Mohammad cartoons or when Da Vinci code wasn&#039;t released or when the Nathuram Godse play was banned. Let media attention focus on the Bhopal muslims who were recently offended by cartoons that made muslims look like terrorists (which they are). 

It&#039;s quit evident that this is a one-sided turd flinging contest to paint Hinduism and Hindus in a bad light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We never hear of the &#8220;art&#8221; community being offended when Satanic verses was banned in India or when there were violent protests against the Mohammad cartoons or when Da Vinci code wasn&#8217;t released or when the Nathuram Godse play was banned. Let media attention focus on the Bhopal muslims who were recently offended by cartoons that made muslims look like terrorists (which they are). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s quit evident that this is a one-sided turd flinging contest to paint Hinduism and Hindus in a bad light.</p>
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		<title>By: Harish Duggirala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harish Duggirala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 12:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and in such cases all you have to do is turn away.&quot;

oops then where was all this turning away in the case of the Danish cartoons, Salman Rushdie&#039;s book and Taslima Nasreen&#039;s Lajja?

I also didn&#039;t quite get why the hero MF Hussain withdrew Meenaxi from theatres as soon as Muslims complained that it offended them.

I don&#039;t remember all this hoopla about &quot;freedom of expression&quot; when Muslims were marching against the Danish cartoons and everyone knows why, because most of you are first rate cowards hiding behind your PC&#039;s (cyber cowards would be the apt term) and know what would have happened if you dared to do something against Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and in such cases all you have to do is turn away.&#8221;</p>
<p>oops then where was all this turning away in the case of the Danish cartoons, Salman Rushdie&#8217;s book and Taslima Nasreen&#8217;s Lajja?</p>
<p>I also didn&#8217;t quite get why the hero MF Hussain withdrew Meenaxi from theatres as soon as Muslims complained that it offended them.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember all this hoopla about &#8220;freedom of expression&#8221; when Muslims were marching against the Danish cartoons and everyone knows why, because most of you are first rate cowards hiding behind your PC&#8217;s (cyber cowards would be the apt term) and know what would have happened if you dared to do something against Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyrannis Populi: Who are &#8220;the people&#8221; anyway and who says they&#8217;re always right? &#124; SamirBharadwaj.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyrannis Populi: Who are &#8220;the people&#8221; anyway and who says they&#8217;re always right? &#124; SamirBharadwaj.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 22:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The thing about mobs is that most of the individuals are card-carrying cowards. They will act only in the safety and the anonymity of the mob and would not have the chutzpah to take responsibility for any of this on their own. There&#8217;s a whole extra level of cowardly anonymity on-line when you are only known by the charming moniker JarJarKicksFrodosAss23, but the anonymity factor works just as well out side the electronic frontier. In recent days India has been abuzz with the story of an art student arrested for displaying &#8220;obscene art&#8221; – As a side note, India is always abuzz with something or the other, as is the USA, or the UK, or Digg.com. The one thing you can depend on democracies to do well is to be in a constant state of shock and offence. We in India are proud in our solidarity with our fellow democratic brothers and sisters from around the world in being offended by absolutely anything frivolous that we don&#8217;t really know about or actually care about. We have raised our offence to an art form. — But to get back to the topic at hand, an anonymous mob walked into a private exhibition in an art college in Vadodara in India and proceeded to administer tender loving care on to one of the student artists for his supposedly obscene depiction of religious icons or something of the sort. The police then came in and saved the now truly suffering artist by arresting him and throwing him into jail. The exhibition of paintings in question was not open to the public. The &#8220;offended&#8221; actually happened to be one man who simply happened to have enough clout (or money) to gather the Angry Mob™ and also possibly the police. The religious zealots are now offended by the imminent demise of their millennia old culture (which they know nothing about) being caused single-handedly by a bunch of paintings they have never seen. The art community is offended by the offensive offence of the religious zealots. We are all offended together and proud of it! Thankfully the artist has since been released from custody to suffer in freedom instead. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The thing about mobs is that most of the individuals are card-carrying cowards. They will act only in the safety and the anonymity of the mob and would not have the chutzpah to take responsibility for any of this on their own. There&#8217;s a whole extra level of cowardly anonymity on-line when you are only known by the charming moniker JarJarKicksFrodosAss23, but the anonymity factor works just as well out side the electronic frontier. In recent days India has been abuzz with the story of an art student arrested for displaying &#8220;obscene art&#8221; – As a side note, India is always abuzz with something or the other, as is the USA, or the UK, or Digg.com. The one thing you can depend on democracies to do well is to be in a constant state of shock and offence. We in India are proud in our solidarity with our fellow democratic brothers and sisters from around the world in being offended by absolutely anything frivolous that we don&#8217;t really know about or actually care about. We have raised our offence to an art form. — But to get back to the topic at hand, an anonymous mob walked into a private exhibition in an art college in Vadodara in India and proceeded to administer tender loving care on to one of the student artists for his supposedly obscene depiction of religious icons or something of the sort. The police then came in and saved the now truly suffering artist by arresting him and throwing him into jail. The exhibition of paintings in question was not open to the public. The &#8220;offended&#8221; actually happened to be one man who simply happened to have enough clout (or money) to gather the Angry Mob™ and also possibly the police. The religious zealots are now offended by the imminent demise of their millennia old culture (which they know nothing about) being caused single-handedly by a bunch of paintings they have never seen. The art community is offended by the offensive offence of the religious zealots. We are all offended together and proud of it! Thankfully the artist has since been released from custody to suffer in freedom instead. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: msr</title>
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		<dc:creator>msr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 20:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a painting on my foyer visible from the street of a women from kujraho..topless and wearing just a cloth around her waist.. that is my freedom of expression, she sure does look god like , so if i&#039;m living in vadodra is it justifyable for Mr jain to come after me? BTW - i&#039;m a religious hindu women, but also know that way may be obscene to you may not be to be. and in such cases all you have to do is turn away..Mr jain i heard loves to watch movies and there&#039;s nothing obscene there ??? Hmm shouldn&#039;t he be put behind bars for patronizing such sleeze :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a painting on my foyer visible from the street of a women from kujraho..topless and wearing just a cloth around her waist.. that is my freedom of expression, she sure does look god like , so if i&#8217;m living in vadodra is it justifyable for Mr jain to come after me? BTW &#8211; i&#8217;m a religious hindu women, but also know that way may be obscene to you may not be to be. and in such cases all you have to do is turn away..Mr jain i heard loves to watch movies and there&#8217;s nothing obscene there ??? Hmm shouldn&#8217;t he be put behind bars for patronizing such sleeze :)</p>
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		<title>By: bglsehunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>bglsehunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 13:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if you&#039;d be arguing for &quot;freedom of expression&quot; if the same had been cartoons of the pedophile mohammed, the prophet of Islam. No, I can tell you wouldn&#039;t. Instead, you&#039;d be criticizing the cartoonist for &quot;disrupting communal harmony&quot;.  I&#039;m glad this idiot got arrested. There is no need to peddle off indecency and immorality in the name of modernity, progress, and freedom of expression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you&#8217;d be arguing for &#8220;freedom of expression&#8221; if the same had been cartoons of the pedophile mohammed, the prophet of Islam. No, I can tell you wouldn&#8217;t. Instead, you&#8217;d be criticizing the cartoonist for &#8220;disrupting communal harmony&#8221;.  I&#8217;m glad this idiot got arrested. There is no need to peddle off indecency and immorality in the name of modernity, progress, and freedom of expression.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 02:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE DEATH THROES OF MSU?

Once a reputed centre of tertiary education with countless number of alumni from all faculties strewn across the world, is now a pariah. It is on the verge of being disowned not only by the UGC, but shunned by past students and teachers who are shocked and shamed at the latest debacle unfolding globally, unfortunately for university administrators, across the internet.  It is bad enough to witness the academic demise of one’s alma mater across the last two decades, but watching political fanaticism mocking the very tenets of democracy, of which all Indians are supposedly proud of, is positively blood curdling.  

The university is an institution, which needs to be properly administered and protected by those empowered to do so, including the Vice Chancellor, Syndicate/Senate Members, etc. Instead we are witnessing a debacle where the highest authority turns on his institute, sanctioning the violation of free expression and education on the flimsy excuse of immorality, that too in a land steeped and proud of its heritage such as Khajurao, Kama Sutra and the likes.  Vibrant Gujarat indeed!!! The Mahatma and Sardar Patel would most certainly cringe wherever they in their heavenly abodes. The question begs to be asked whether the institute should shelter and tolerate these people.  Therein lies the root of evil that has been plaguing MSU over the last few decades.  Instead of a focus on academic excellence, mediocrity in all spheres has ruled the roost.  Academic excellence dipped, national grants disappeared, dependence on the state government increased, thus allowing any ruling party to exert extraordinary influence on the university’s governance, including the appointment of vice chancellors of their choice, irrespective of their credentials and standing, and most importantly their ability to enhance the organisation’s stature. We have a situation where syndicate/senate members are either political stooges or have been muzzled to rubber-stamp critical decisions that could undermine the university’s credibility and standing.  There used to be a time when academic luminaries were syndicate/senate members, but not any more, as political inclination is a preferable prerequisite.  

More disturbing is the rise in religious political fanaticism in what should be the tranquil surroundings of a flourishing university.  Ishwar, Allah, Ram, does it really matter where education is concerned.  One suspects that there is more to just immorality than meets the eye about the current fracas. 

Students, teachers, deans of faculties, syndicate/senate members, the PVC and VC are all party for the above debacle which represents some of the murkiest depths an educational organization can dip to.  MSU is now a laughing stock.  One used to take pride in being a MSU degree holder.  Not any more, thanks to a crescendo of mediocrity,   breeding acceptance of all that is anathema to true democracy, freedom of expression and education.  The manner in which this incident has unfolded reminds us of the Taleban in Afghanistan.  Are we fostering and encouraging our own “talebans’ who run amuck protecting the society’s ‘morals’, while flagrantly thumbing their noses at fundamental societal rights and law?  If this is so, are we encouraging a ‘superior race’ (shades of Nazism) who are irreproachable and not answerable to common law and societal norms.

Citizens of Baroda, students and teachers of MSU, show some spine and courage and stand up for all that is fair, truthful, legal and most importantly, what is necessary to reverse this downward vortex of destruction the organization is speeding through.  March through the streets, express your feelings to the VC, syndicate/senate members, harangue the State Education Minister and Chief Minister, clog the internet and daily press.  Remember, state elections are approaching and in 1974, MSU students were at the forefront of overthrowing the then state government.  We are a proud state and have been prosperous too, but this needs to be bolstered by a robust educational system.  While MSU is in the news, other universities in Gujarat will certainly have their own horror stories to tell.  Mediocrity is like a delicate exotic fruit, one does pay dearly for scarcity.  Why should Gujarat put up with mediocrity, as it breeds all sorts of evils.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE DEATH THROES OF MSU?</p>
<p>Once a reputed centre of tertiary education with countless number of alumni from all faculties strewn across the world, is now a pariah. It is on the verge of being disowned not only by the UGC, but shunned by past students and teachers who are shocked and shamed at the latest debacle unfolding globally, unfortunately for university administrators, across the internet.  It is bad enough to witness the academic demise of one’s alma mater across the last two decades, but watching political fanaticism mocking the very tenets of democracy, of which all Indians are supposedly proud of, is positively blood curdling.  </p>
<p>The university is an institution, which needs to be properly administered and protected by those empowered to do so, including the Vice Chancellor, Syndicate/Senate Members, etc. Instead we are witnessing a debacle where the highest authority turns on his institute, sanctioning the violation of free expression and education on the flimsy excuse of immorality, that too in a land steeped and proud of its heritage such as Khajurao, Kama Sutra and the likes.  Vibrant Gujarat indeed!!! The Mahatma and Sardar Patel would most certainly cringe wherever they in their heavenly abodes. The question begs to be asked whether the institute should shelter and tolerate these people.  Therein lies the root of evil that has been plaguing MSU over the last few decades.  Instead of a focus on academic excellence, mediocrity in all spheres has ruled the roost.  Academic excellence dipped, national grants disappeared, dependence on the state government increased, thus allowing any ruling party to exert extraordinary influence on the university’s governance, including the appointment of vice chancellors of their choice, irrespective of their credentials and standing, and most importantly their ability to enhance the organisation’s stature. We have a situation where syndicate/senate members are either political stooges or have been muzzled to rubber-stamp critical decisions that could undermine the university’s credibility and standing.  There used to be a time when academic luminaries were syndicate/senate members, but not any more, as political inclination is a preferable prerequisite.  </p>
<p>More disturbing is the rise in religious political fanaticism in what should be the tranquil surroundings of a flourishing university.  Ishwar, Allah, Ram, does it really matter where education is concerned.  One suspects that there is more to just immorality than meets the eye about the current fracas. </p>
<p>Students, teachers, deans of faculties, syndicate/senate members, the PVC and VC are all party for the above debacle which represents some of the murkiest depths an educational organization can dip to.  MSU is now a laughing stock.  One used to take pride in being a MSU degree holder.  Not any more, thanks to a crescendo of mediocrity,   breeding acceptance of all that is anathema to true democracy, freedom of expression and education.  The manner in which this incident has unfolded reminds us of the Taleban in Afghanistan.  Are we fostering and encouraging our own “talebans’ who run amuck protecting the society’s ‘morals’, while flagrantly thumbing their noses at fundamental societal rights and law?  If this is so, are we encouraging a ‘superior race’ (shades of Nazism) who are irreproachable and not answerable to common law and societal norms.</p>
<p>Citizens of Baroda, students and teachers of MSU, show some spine and courage and stand up for all that is fair, truthful, legal and most importantly, what is necessary to reverse this downward vortex of destruction the organization is speeding through.  March through the streets, express your feelings to the VC, syndicate/senate members, harangue the State Education Minister and Chief Minister, clog the internet and daily press.  Remember, state elections are approaching and in 1974, MSU students were at the forefront of overthrowing the then state government.  We are a proud state and have been prosperous too, but this needs to be bolstered by a robust educational system.  While MSU is in the news, other universities in Gujarat will certainly have their own horror stories to tell.  Mediocrity is like a delicate exotic fruit, one does pay dearly for scarcity.  Why should Gujarat put up with mediocrity, as it breeds all sorts of evils.</p>
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